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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby yensoy » 28 Aug 2017 20:57

Falijee wrote:My question: how is this almost insolvent artificial entity paying for all these "brand new toys", which ultimately will be used against the locals ( in the guise of "fighting terrorism") or against India, on one pretext or the other . !


They are bankrupt in large part because they have to pay for these kinds of shiny toys to feed their oversize military and oversize egos.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby sudeepj » 28 Aug 2017 23:10

The Quetta Shura, Peshawar Shura, these shuras are identified by cities inside Pakistan, we know Afghan Taliban leaders are in these areas,” he said. Specifically asked whether the Taliban leadership in Quetta and Pashawar and other major Pakistan cities “shouldn’t sleep in peace from now on”, he said “I won’t put words in the (US) president’s mouth but he definitely conveyed this message.


Gen Nicholson saying this is a threat of a tremendous escalation. So far, the drone strikes have all been in the FATA areas, far away from the prying eyes of the press and home to second class Pashtun citizens of Pakistan. The one exception was the recent strike on Mullah Mansour who was double crossed by the ISI and gotten killed by a drone in Balochistan. You can see the map here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ot-attacks

Expansion of strikes into Quetta or Peshawar or (!!) Karachi will be a tremendous escalation of the war effort. Pakistan Army will either have to lose face or have to shoot down the drones. Both of these options will give sleepless nights to PakMil. If they dont shoot down the drones, they may have to face the wrath of the snakes they are rearing. Sure, children and women will die but the US has the big bad Trump to take all the blame while they do what needs to be done.

*As an aside, the Victorian era officer who led the British storming of Delhi and the final overthrow of Mughals from India was also a John Nicholson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nich ... ny_officer) :rotfl:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Vips » 28 Aug 2017 23:29

Paki Bank does down hill skiing as US authorities seek to impose $630 million penalty: Haraam Link.

The Habib Bank Limited has on Monday announced its decision to wind up operations in New York following intimation from the state's financial regulator that it seeks to impose a hefty penalty of nearly $630 million on the bank, it has been learnt.

The bank has decided to contest in US courts the notice sent by New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) about the imposition of a civil monetary penalty amounting to $629,625,000, read a letter filed by HBL to Pakistan Stock Exchange, a copy of which is available with Dawn.com.

The case stems from 2015, when US authorities moved against the bank after finding deficiencies in the risk management and Bank Secrecy Act/Anti-Money Laundering compliance programme at HBL’s New York branch .

"Despite HBL's sincere and extensive remediation measures, DFS is still not appreciating... the significant progress that HBL has made at its branch in New York," read the letter filed by the bank. (So what if you caught us laundering funds and doing illegal activities, You are at fault if you do not apprciate us when we are saying we wont do it anymore :rotfl: :rotfl: )

"HBL shall vigorously contest this [order] in the scheduled administrative hearing and the courts of law in the United States."

The US Federal Reserve had barred HBL from conducting any dollar-clearing transactions or accepting any new accounts for US dollar clearing in December, 2015. However, HBL had clarified at the time that it maintains its US licence and would continue to provide services as usual.

The HBL had said that during an examination, the US regulators found deficiencies in the risk management and BSA/AML compliance programme at HBL’s New York branch and, subsequently, escalated the enforcement actions from the “written agreement” to a “consent order” in the case of New York State Department of Financial Services and a “cease and desist order” in the case of Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

“These orders impose certain additional requirements to remediate on the branch and provide mechanisms for enforcement if the remediation is not met,” the HBL said.

The order by US regulators had "impose[d] certain additional requirements to remediate on the branch and provide mechanisms for enforcement if the remediation is not met”, a press release issued by HBL said at the time.

The banking circle took the situation seriously and called it a bad omen for the country as well as the banking industry.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Bart S » 29 Aug 2017 00:54

^Sounds exactly like Pak ISPR-funded media do when they whine about America asking them to 'do more' :lol:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 29 Aug 2017 02:14

Mush Suffers Second Setback In Londonistan !

Musharraf’s second public event in London cancelled within a week

LONDON: Former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf’s All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) cancelled a public meeting here on Sunday after the party got itself into a bitter dispute with the rally’s organiser as well as over fears the event could be disrupted by pro-democracy activists. The meeting was scheduled for Sunday in Slough and public invitations were issued but on the same day the Pakistan Solidarity Campaign held a protest against the APML leader outside 10 Downing Street and handed over a letter to Prime Minister Theresa May’s office. The hidden hand of Immy and Nawaz supporters cannot be ruled out IMO. :mrgreen:
The event, organised by APML in association with Zam Zam Education centre ( named after the "aab" of the "Holy City" ) :roll: in Slough, was cancelled just a week after Musharraf’s talk at the School of Oriental & African Studies (SOAS) was cancelled after Pakistani activists started a campaign against the former military ruler’s appearance forcing the university to announce that it had been misled and was not informed about the nature of the event.
In a public fallout, Pir Ali Pasha of Zam Zam Education Centre said Musharraf will come to the hall and chair the public meeting and answer questions of participants. He announced that Musharraf was his friend and had asked him to organise the event. After Musharraf’s SOAS appearance was cancelled, the APML said Musharraf will only make a “telephonic address” at Pir Pasha’s centre and that he [Pasha] was using the occasion to drum up his own publicity. In the "self publicity" dept, The Pir, does not stand a chance against the bombastic Kammandu !
In a statement, APML UK chief Tebraiz Aurah said Musharraf’s Sunday event was “postponed due to extraordinary public interest in Musharraf’s jalsa”. He added that a new date and time for the event will be announced. :roll: H&D saving measure, again- in my opinion !
However, an APML official said less than twenty party activists from across the UK agreed to attend the meeting but it turned out that dozens of activists opposed to Musharraf were set to attend the meeting to disrupt Musharraf’s speech. Pasha said the number of participants were increased to “an unbearable level”. He claimed that thousands of people had registered to attend the event but he did not have proof to back up his claim. Dubai and Londonistan have to some effect, become the "branch capitals" of Pakiland :mrgreen:
However, Aurah said Pasha had “committed clear violence by using old pictures with Musharraf” and “will face legal consequences.”.Meanwhile, activists gathered outside 10 Downing Street and raised slogans against Musharraf and called on both the Pakistani and British government to take action against him. A letter delivered to May said Musharraf had a “long history of well-documented crimes against law and people of Pakistan; it is unfathomable how Musharaf is roaming freely in UK”.
They called on the government to ban Musharraf’s entry to the UK “till he returns Pakistan and faces the [courts]”. Separately, it has emerged that some officials of the University of London’s Pakistan Society were fully involved in organising the event at SOAS last week. Mahek Tariq, a senior member of the society, promoted the event and invited people to attend but other office-bearers of the society have distanced themselves from APML. Pakistan has been washing its dirty linen on the streets of London for a long time. Altaf, Imran, Dus Percenti, Nawaz, and now Musharaf "taking advantage" of British Toleration" to fight Paki politics in UK !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby nam » 29 Aug 2017 02:52

Pakistan are the only country in the world who like to buy arms from a country who bombs them.

"You can kill us how much you want, but we want that f16 for free. And that vipers too."

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby nam » 29 Aug 2017 02:54

By the way have they increased the number of chini attack chopper from 4?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 29 Aug 2017 03:02

Census results show 59.7pc growth in Karachi's population, 116pc in Lahore's since 1998

HOLY CRAP!

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1354506/censu ... since-1998

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 29 Aug 2017 03:09

Put Pressure On Pakistan - Wall Street Journal

Putting Pressure on Pakistan
By Sadanand Dhume

Can the United States pressure Pakistan to end its support for terrorist groups that attack U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan? The short answer: Yes, but it will require greater resolve and more appetite for risk than we’re used to seeing. In the week since President Donald Trump outlined a new U.S. strategy for Afghanistan, several pundits have already declared it dead on arrival. After 16 long years of war, the skepticism is understandable. But obituaries for an approach that hasn’t been tried before are woefully premature.
The new strategy departs from Barack Obama’s unsuccessful policy in Afghanistan in at least three ways. First, it refuses to attach an artificial deadline to U.S. troop withdrawal from the country. Second, it publicly envisions a larger role for democratic India in Afghanistan’s stabilization. Third, and perhaps most significantly, Washington has put Pakistan on notice for the deadly part it has played in prolonging America’s longest war. As Mr. Trump put it, “We can no longer be silent about Pakistan’s safe havens for terrorist organizations, the Taliban and other groups that pose a threat to the region and beyond.”
In fairness, skeptics can’t be blamed for feeling as though they’ve seen this movie before. Mr. Trump is hardly the first senior American official to express frustration at Pakistan providing safety and succor to groups responsible for the deaths of (by now) about 2,400 U.S. soldiers. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton famously warned Pakistan about the “snakes in its backyard.” Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen once called the Haqqani Network a “veritable arm” of the Pakistani army’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
In fairness, skeptics can’t be blamed for feeling as though they’ve seen this movie before. Mr. Trump is hardly the first senior American official to express frustration at Pakistan providing safety and succor to groups responsible for the deaths of (by now) about 2,400 U.S. soldiers. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton famously warned Pakistan about the “snakes in its backyard.” Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen once called the Haqqani Network a “veritable arm” of the Pakistani army’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
Few countries are less popular with the American public than Pakistan. A 2013 report by the Pew Research Center found that only one in 10 Americans surveyed believed the U.S. can trust Pakistan “a great deal or a fair amount.”We don’t know how these numbers break down by political affiliation, but suffice to say the odds of many Trump supporters nursing a soft spot for Pakistan appear vanishingly small.
On Tuesday, in response to a question about possible military strikes in Pakistan, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said, “we are going to attack terrorists wherever they live.” This sends the right message. Those plotting to attack U.S. soldiers should no longer be allowed to feel safe in Pakistan’s cities. The US General responsible for Afghanistan has also warned Pakistan about the Quetta and Peshawar Shura of the Taliban
The U.S. can also put in place targeted sanctions against top ISI officials that include freezing bank accounts and restricting international travel. This would be effective if allowed to happen !This would be much more effective than simply cutting aid, especially at a time when Pakistan feels economically fortified by Chinese investments in the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
Finally, the U.S. should begin a process that could lead to Pakistan being declared a state sponsor of terrorism. This would have a devastating effect on Pakistan’s economy and international standing, and should be used only as a last resort. But only by making the prospect real can the U.S. effectively use it as a bargaining chip to demand better behavior
Washington’s approach will have to be balanced with carrots—including the promise that a stable Afghanistan will not be used to undermine Pakistan’s internal stability. If the U.S. holds its nerve, Mr. Trump may just succeed where Mr. Obama failed. At the present time, Pakistan is mobilizing its awaam to create an Anti- US hysteria. It is also threatening to "develop close relations" with Russia to counter the US move. Much will be known after the new FO comes to DC and what is said publicly (and privately also) at the talks

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 29 Aug 2017 03:16

Population Census 2017: Sindh govt rejects results, mulls APC

Nisar Ahmed Khuhro alleged that an incorrect population figure been released by authorities for Sindh under a preconceived plan
Khuhro alleged that under the preconceived plan, the figure of Sindh's population was shown to be less than its actual number in order to not increase the province’s share in the National Finance Commission (NFC) award
While rejecting the census results, MQM-P leader Dr Farooq Sattar claimed that the census results had been "rigged"
He further said that population of Karachi cannot be less than 30 million.


So paklogic - showing a higher population count is a good thing.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22667 ... -mulls-APC

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 29 Aug 2017 03:21

"White Lie" By The New F.O. Of Pakiland !

Frustrated with new US strategy, Pakistani FM claims Afghan forces sell US weapons

In an apparent gesture of frustration with the US strategy for Afghanistan and South Asia, the foreign minister of Pakistan has claimed that the Afghan security forces are selling the US supplied weapons. Khawajah Asif made the remarks during an interview with a private Television Channel in Pakistan. Asif further added that more than 90 percent of the attacks in Pakistan were plotted inside the Afghan soil besides claiming that 40 percent of the Afghan soil is under the control of the Taliban insurgents. Should not be surprised with the figure of "90 percent" and "40 percent" being mouthed by the F.O. After all, this "female-hating" MNA is from Sialkot , well known for sports equipment and its statistics :mrgreen:
He was apparently responding to the criticisms of the US President Donald Trump who criticized Pakistan regarding the existence of the terrorist sanctuaries while announcing the new US strategy.
President Trump said “For its part, Pakistan often gives safe haven to agents of chaos, violence, and terror.
He said the next pillar of the new strategy is to change the approach and how to deal with Pakistan, emphasizing that we can no longer be silent about Pakistan’s safe havens for terrorist organizations, the Taliban, and other groups that pose a threat to the region and beyond, emphasizing that Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with our effort in Afghanistan. It has much to lose by continuing to harbor criminals and terrorists.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Lisa » 29 Aug 2017 05:20

Vips wrote:Paki Bank does down hill skiing as US authorities seek to impose $630 million penalty: Haraam Link.

The Habib Bank Limited has on Monday announced its decision to wind up operations in New York following intimation from the state's financial regulator that it seeks to impose a hefty penalty of nearly $630 million on the bank, it has been learnt.

The bank has decided to contest in US courts the notice sent by New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) about the imposition of a civil monetary penalty amounting to $629,625,000, read a letter filed by HBL to Pakistan Stock Exchange, a copy of which is available with Dawn.com.



Habib Bank's, owner I think is The Aga Khan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby yensoy » 29 Aug 2017 06:28

anupmisra wrote:Population Census 2017: Sindh govt rejects results, mulls APC
So paklogic - showing a higher population count is a good thing.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22667 ... -mulls-APC


Well if population count directly translates into electoral seats, why wouldn't it be a good thing?

In India we did the sensible thing by freezing state representation in Lok/Rajya Sabhas based on an old population census, so as to not penalize states which were showing good impact of family planning programs. But of course that kind of thinking is foreign to Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby abhijitm » 29 Aug 2017 10:10

anupmisra wrote:Population Census 2017: Sindh govt rejects results, mulls APC
He further said that population of Karachi cannot be less than 30 million.


So paklogic - showing a higher population count is a good thing.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22667 ... -mulls-APC

30 million should be living in Karachi?? that is 3 Cr people! Karachi is smaller than Mumbai and Mumbai population is 1.2 Cr.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby JE Menon » 29 Aug 2017 10:28

Habib Bank is ISI money distributor, launderer, changer, hider, you name it. Has been for long decades.

If true, Amirkhan is beginning to knead Pak cojones threateningly... pakeyes must be starting to glow lound in fearful anticipation of the squeeze

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2017 13:10

Lisa wrote:Habib Bank's, owner I think is The Aga Khan.

Majority owner is Government of Pakistan

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Postby RCase » 29 Aug 2017 13:12

I wager that the Paki census will be quietly buried in the coming days. Everything in Pakistan is hyped for a few days and fades away into oblivion. Then there will be a charade that will be played out with Sialkot statistics quoting the poakulation as 210 M, rosy GDP and per capita GDP.

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2017 15:39

Pak's ties with US head south after it scraps bilateral visits

WASHINGTON: Ties between the United States and Pakistan are unraveling very quickly, spiraling south towards a nadir never seen before.
Pakistan this week angrily rejected the proposed visit of two senior US officials to Islamabad to sort out differences after the Trump administration recognized India's stakes in Afghanistan and virtually called Pakistan a terrorist state.

Pakistan also canceled a scheduled trip to Washington DC of its new foreign minister KM Asif at the invitation of the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to signal its fury, even as the Trump administration took Islamabad's tantrums in its stride and demonstrated American capacity to finger a fragile Pakistani economy.

US authorities slapped a $630 million penalty on Pakistan's leading bank Habib Bank Limited for non-compliance with US anti-money laundering laws, forcing it to shut down its US operations.

While hardliners in Islamabad are seeking to pressure US with threats of shutting down American supply routes to landlocked Afghanistan, for the first time, there are hardliners in Washington who want the Trump administration to further tighten the screws and force Pakistan to renounce the use of terrorism and roll up terror groups. Among the steps proposed: Shut down the aid spigot not just from Washington but also from multilateral agencies and western allies, and deny US visas, visits, and access to Pakistani leaders, generals, and officials, and other elites who support or rationalize terrorism.

Wracked by internal turmoil, Islamabad is making no secret of its rage at the Trump administration's bare-knuckled stance that includes warnings about US strikes against terror groups if Pakistan does not wrap them up. The country's Foreign Minister Khawaja Mohammad Asif himself was quoted as telling lawmakers on Monday that Pakistan had suspended talks and bilateral visits with the United States as a mark of protest over the recent 'anti-Pakistan diatribe' by US President Donald Trump.

Among the officials scheduled to visit Islamabad this week were the Acting US Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Alice Wells and the Senior Director in the National Security Council Lisa Curtis. Asif was scheduled to go to Washington last week.

Instead, Asif and other Pakistani leaders and officials are huffing to China, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other comfort partners to try and make up for the downslide in US ties with Pakistan. The moves are also meant to show that Pakistan has other friends it can lean on, although none of them have put any money where Pakistan's mouth is the way the United States did, ponying up some $30 billion for Islamabad's help in the so-called war on terror.

Perceptive regional analysts deduced a long time ago that Pakistan simply kept the terror tap open so that it could extract more money from the US, but the Trump administration appears to have gotten wise to the con, announcing a whittling down of not just bilateral aid, but also questioning reimbursements to Pakistan for a war on terror it claims to be fighting for its own sake.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby ashish raval » 29 Aug 2017 15:43

^^ sanctions and country default will happen soon by this standards. :mrgreen:
but the Trump administration appears to have gotten wise to the con, announcing a whittling down of not just bilateral aid, but also questioning reimbursements to Pakistan for a war on terror it claims to be fighting for its own sake.


Finally some motorhead realised!! Wait wait wait why the f we are paying for their fight after all!! It's like wife saying I made pani puri for you today!! The fact is that she wanted to eat pani puri but was presented it to hubby as I made this for you!! Lol

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby venug » 29 Aug 2017 15:51

"Cutting off the nose to spite the face" more apt for TSP. What it might do is it will hug China and Russia even more closer and open legs wider for China, which stood up for it, in it's perspective. As far as sanctions are concerned, it already calls US doles "peanuts".

TSP wants to be respected even though they are first rate beggar nation. It even begs for respect, pathetic.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby schinnas » 29 Aug 2017 16:01

SSridhar wrote:
Lisa wrote:Habib Bank's, owner I think is The Aga Khan.

Majority owner is Government of Pakistan


Habib bank is also the largest bank in Pakistan. Though it is listed as a private bank in some instances, it seems it is minority owned by government with Aga Khan foundation being the 51% majority owner and controls management. It is a big deal if they are forced to shut down their operations in US, one of their biggest trade and export partners. Trump & team are actually taking creative steps that previous US Presidents didn't. What US can do through economic sanctions is much bigger than their aid amount. As US controls global banking and credit system, even Cheena cannot do much to help.

The below article is 3 years old, may be the GoP increased its percentage stake recently?

Top 5 banks in Pakistan
http://www.thebanker.com/Banker-Data/Bank-Trends/The-top-five-banks-in-Pakistan?ct=true

Pakistan's largest bank by Tier 1 capital is Karachi-based Habib Bank, with its $1.03bn of core capital. The lender has a presence in 25 countries and describes itself as Pakistan’s largest multinational. It is 51% owned by the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development, with a 7.5% free float. The state still owns the balance, which it hopes to sell in two tranches this year and next.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 29 Aug 2017 16:06

"Enough Is Enough" For The Kaptaan :twisted:

Imran decides to suspend Ayesha Gulalai from PTI, issues final notice

Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan has decided to suspend Ayesha Gulalai from the party and a final notice has been issued to her. According to details, the decision was taken after party's top leadership consultation. Ayesha Gulalai is no more party's responsibility after suspension, notice stated. A show-cause notice had already been issued to you but no answer was given, the notice read. "I have used my authority as chairman of the party," Khan said. The copies of notice has also been sent to Election Commission and Speaker National Assembly and requested them to take neccassery steps against Gulalai. Action should be taken against Ayesha Gulalai under Article 63 (A), the notice demanded. Gulalai had recently accused the Kaptaan for "sexting" her on social media. And other media reports had suggested that Immy was once seriously courting her, and he then "ditched" her to tie his (shalwar!) knot with Reham. And the rest, as they say, is history :mrgreen:

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Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2017 16:19

SSridhar wrote:
Lisa wrote:Habib Bank's, owner I think is The Aga Khan.

Majority owner is Government of Pakistan
SSridhar J :

Shareholders

Name : Aga Khan Development Network Foundation-----749,280,274-----Equities : 51.1%

In addition there is Habib Bank Zurich I think this is owned by the "Habib FAMILY".

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Postby Bart S » 29 Aug 2017 16:23

anupmisra wrote:Census results show 59.7pc growth in Karachi's population, 116pc in Lahore's since 1998


In most developing countries this would be a sign of development, i.e urbanization of population. However in this case it is likely to be just natural population growth, not development.

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Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2017 16:39

anupmisra wrote:Population Census 2017: Sindh govt rejects results, mulls APC

Nisar Ahmed Khuhro alleged that an incorrect population figure been released by authorities for Sindh under a preconceived plan
Khuhro alleged that under the preconceived plan, the figure of Sindh's population was shown to be less than its actual number in order to not increase the province’s share in the National Finance Commission (NFC) award
While rejecting the census results, MQM-P leader Dr Farooq Sattar claimed that the census results had been "rigged"
He further said that population of Karachi cannot be less than 30 million.


So paklogic - showing a higher population count is a good thing.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22667 ... -mulls-APC
anupmisra Ji :

I quote from the following Article :

Pakistan unable to control population growth despite huge spending : 11-Jul-17 - Muzammil Ferozi

As per sources the recent census in Pakistan the population has crossed 300 million while Karachi's population is 30 million. The population of Pakistan and the rate at which it is increasing has reached levels that are considered 'high risk'.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2017 16:39

Thanks to Wiki for the following regarding Habib Bank, Pakistan

On 29 December 2003, Government of Pakistan granted AKFED [Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development] rights to 51% of the shareholding in the bank against an investment of PKR 22.409 billion (USD 389 million).[8] the next year, on 26 February, the government of Pakistan handed over management control of Habib Bank to AKFED. The Board of Directors was reconstituted to have four AKFED nominees, including the Chairman and the President/CEO and three Government of Pakistan nominees.[9] The bank's owners now comprise the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development (51%), Government of Pakistan (42.5%), and the general public (7.5%) {which adds up, BTW, to 101%} .

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 29 Aug 2017 18:04

Bart S wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Census results show 59.7pc growth in Karachi's population, 116pc in Lahore's since 1998


In most developing countries this would be a sign of development, i.e urbanization of population. However in this case it is likely to be just natural population growth, not development.


That photo alone scared the living heck out of me.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 29 Aug 2017 18:09

How serious is the risk to Pakistanis from arsenic contamination of groundwater?

A recent study has brought to surface a poisonous reality about the state of the country's waters and public health once again. With samples from 1,200 wells all across Pakistan, the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science and Technology has concluded that up to two-thirds of these wells are supplying water contaminated with arsenic.
The study's estimate is that up to 60 million people in Pakistan are consuming the polluted water.
As the country's population grows exponentially and more and more people head to urban centres, the issue of water scarcity worsens.


This is where the rest of the world shakes its collective heads.

The concentration of arsenic found in these samples is above 200 micrograms per litre, which is far higher than the World Health Organisation's recommended threshold of 10 micrograms per litre and the Pakistan government's limit of 50 micrograms per litre. :eek:


But pakis see this matter differently. Their goberment says "we have water". The awaam says "we are tough enough! Bring it on'.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1354507/how-s ... roundwater

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2017 18:14

Former Pak envoy to India calls his country's ambassador to US 'the worst foreign secretary ever'

NEW DELHI: Former Pakistan envoy to India, Abdul Basit, told his country's current envoy to the US, Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, that he was Pakistan's "worst foreign secretary ever" and that "his heart is not in the right place".

Basit delivered his opinion to Chaudhry in a letter he sent him dated July 5 this year. A copy of the letter has been doing the rounds on social media and Pakistani newspaper Dawn confirmed its authenticity.

Chaudhry was Pakistan's foreign secretary until February, at which time he was named the country's ambassador to the US.
"My concern is you would end up being the worst Pakistan ambassador in Washington DC," wrote Basit.

Basit further told Chaudhry he was not made for the "delicate profession of diplomacy". Interestingly, Basit himself has been accused of "indelicacy" in his behaviour and pronouncements when he was envoy to India. Basit took premature retirement in early August.

Basit cites two incidents as examples of Chaudhry's purported failure.

The first is a joint statement issued after a meeting between then prime minister Nawaz Sharif and his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi in 2015, in the Russian city of Ufa. The second is Pakistan's failure to get re-elected to the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

After the Sharif-Modi Ufa meet, the former was criticised in Pakistan over the absence of any mention of Kashmir in the joint statement.

"Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan and the resolution of the Kashmir dispute lies at the heart of future prospects for regional peace and stability," said Pakistani senator Sehar Kamran, according to a PTI report from the time.

Later in 2015, Pakistan was diplomatically humiliated when it lost a bid for re-election to the UNHRC.

"The defeat was shocking because it was the first time that Pakistan had lost a major election at the UN," writes Dawn.
Basit ends his missive saying he hopes Chaudhry is removed from his post as the envoy to US, failing which he should not be given an extension.

"May God help Pakistan when people like you with weak and dubious credentials are at such important positions," Basit ends.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 29 Aug 2017 18:36

Peregrine wrote:Former Pak envoy to India calls his country's ambassador to US 'the worst foreign secretary ever'

"May God help Pakistan when people like you with weak and dubious credentials are at such important positions," Basit ends.


Al-B'$hit, thy name is irony.

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Postby Vips » 29 Aug 2017 18:48

IITRC Bas(h)it's seniority was overlooked and was denied promotion and hence the :(( :((
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Postby Vips » 29 Aug 2017 18:49

All the Aga Khan's have been anti-india. The Sr Aga Khan even played a big role in the creation and financing of Porkistan. The Successive (Con)gress governments have always fawned over them for securing the Ismaili Khoja vote bank

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2017 19:41

Aga Khan led the first Mussalman Elite group to meet the Viceroy Minto in 1906 demanding special reservations for Muslims in any people's representation scheme that Britain was about to announce. This laid the foundation for separatism.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby milano » 29 Aug 2017 19:54

schinnas wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Majority owner is Government of Pakistan


Habib bank is also the largest bank in Pakistan. Though it is listed as a private bank in some instances, it seems it is minority owned by government with Aga Khan foundation being the 51% majority owner and controls management. It is a big deal if they are forced to shut down their operations in US, one of their biggest trade and export partners. Trump & team are actually taking creative steps that previous US Presidents didn't. What US can do through economic sanctions is much bigger than their aid amount. As US controls global banking and credit system, even Cheena cannot do much to help. ....


+1 to the above, especially what I bolded. Here is a link to a Reuters news report which provides way more details than the Paki media are reporting. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-bank-idUSKCN1B827BThis would certainly seem to indicate that Trump's speech is now starting to be backed up with real action. I've cut and bolded a few of the more interesting details from the Reuters article..

"The DFS said in a filing that its investigation had found that HBL held a U.S. clearing account with Saudi’s largest private bank Al Rajhi, which has been linked in the media and by the U.S. Senate to Al Qaeda and the financing of extremism.

The regulator also found instances of so-called “wire-stripping”, where a bank deliberately strips out information related to a payment, such as the originator or beneficiary, that may raise suspicions.

In one such instance of wire-stripping, the payment concerned involved a Chinese weapons manufacturer that was subject to U.S. non-proliferation sanctions, the DFS said.

The DFS also said HBL had not screened more than 4,000 transactions because the parties involved were on a “good-guy” list of customers identified by the bank as very low risk.

However, more than 150 screening terms, such as names or entities, on the so-called good guy list directly corresponded to entities that had been sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department, it said. These included a transaction that involved the leader of a Pakistani militant group and an international arms dealer.

The DFS said its probe also uncovered payments totaling more than $27,000 sent to an account at the bank’s head office associated with an individual wanted by the FBI for cyber crimes. "

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2017 20:01

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PSX plummets to fresh year’s low

KARACHI - Pakistan Stock Exchange (PSX) kicked off new trading week in the red zone as the benchmark KSE 100-index fell to fresh 2017 low. The index shed 668 points and closed at 41,974 points.

The market opened on a negative note and continued to decline throughout the day, brokers said.

The day started with news about HBL (-5.0%), as the State Department of Financial Services sent a notice to HBL seeking imposition of a penalty of up to $630m, much higher than street expectations. The bank has also decided to close its New York operations, stated analyst at JS Global. This action is with regards to significant breakdowns of risk management and compliance identified in the bank's New York branch in 2015.

Top 10 index point decliners were HBL (down 5%), UBL (3.4%), MARI (5%), ENGRO (2.3%), PPL (1.5%), MTL (5%), DAWH (2.7%), DGKC (3%), MCB (1%) & LUCK (down 1.7%); withholding 427 points.

On the sector front, banks took away 277 points as HBL’s sentiment weighed on other big banks, E&Ps shed 72 points as oil prices are expected to weaken in lieu of Hurricane Harvey disrupting US Gulf refining demand, & cements dented 70 points on price concerns, said analyst Adnan Sami Sheikh at Topline Securities.

Participation was minimal as volumes receded 42% to 103m shares while traded value fell 39% to Rs5.7b/$54m.

Scrips of total 377 active companies traded in the session of which 266 closed in red, 86 in green while 25 remained unchanged.

Market participants expect the bearish spell might continue as weak results of banks, cement and fertilizers have left investors disappointed.

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Postby Bart S » 29 Aug 2017 20:24

^^ Surely this Habib Bank thing is not new, what's new is that the US is finally taking some action. Which is really worrying because it implies that there was a major lobby in the US protecting such operators despite its involvement in terror-financing and anti-US activities.

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Postby abhijitm » 29 Aug 2017 20:28

Peregrine wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Population Census 2017: Sindh govt rejects results, mulls APC



So paklogic - showing a higher population count is a good thing.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22667 ... -mulls-APC
anupmisra Ji :

I quote from the following Article :

Pakistan unable to control population growth despite huge spending : 11-Jul-17 - Muzammil Ferozi

As per sources the recent census in Pakistan the population has crossed 300 million while Karachi's population is 30 million. The population of Pakistan and the rate at which it is increasing has reached levels that are considered 'high risk'.

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Thanks for the link. This confirm our speculation, no, calculation, about pakistani population.

BTW, how the fk on earth do 3 Cr pakis can squeeze in smaller-than-mumbai Karachi?

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Postby abhijitm » 29 Aug 2017 20:34

old article
Pakistan's population bomb: 240 million in 2030
So the bomb has already exploded :rotfl:

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Postby milano » 29 Aug 2017 21:00

Bart S wrote:^^ Surely this Habib Bank thing is not new, what's new is that the US is finally taking some action. Which is really worrying because it implies that there was a major lobby in the US protecting such operators despite its involvement in terror-financing and anti-US activities.


Yup, that's what I was thinking too. The US would have known about all this and probably these things did not reach a certain threshold in terms of threat to the USA. And now they've decided to start turning the screws, which would indicate that the lobbies who were protecting Pak perfidy are on the decline and that the US establishment (Foggy Bottom crowd, Exec Branch, Legislative Branches) seem (hopefully) to be getting aligned on executing on the policy that Trump outlined. Hopefully this is the beginning of consistently more stick and less carrot.

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2017 22:37

Peregrine wrote:I quote from the following Article :

Pakistan unable to control population growth despite huge spending : 11-Jul-17 - Muzammil Ferozi

As per sources the recent census in Pakistan the population has crossed 300 million while Karachi's population is 30 million. The population of Pakistan and the rate at which it is increasing has reached levels that are considered 'high risk'.

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abhijitm wrote:Thanks for the link. This confirm our speculation, no, calculation, about pakistani population.

BTW, how the fk on earth do 3 Cr pakis can squeeze in smaller-than-mumbai Karachi?
abhijitm Ji :

Mumbai 603.4 km² Population : 21,690,000

Greater Karāchi, 560 square miles (1,450 square km).: Now with an estimated 23 million residents in the metro area

Thus I think Karachi's Population is around the 30 Million Mark including the Extended Suburbs!

I have said this before and I shall repeat myself "India must build a strong and Impregnable fence both with Clipistan as well as Bangladesh as both these are "Brimming, Bubbling and Overflowing" with crazed Islamics.

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