Terroristan - June 20, 2017

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 30 Aug 2017 23:10

Massa Throws Cold Water On Turkee Request :mrgreen:

US ‘bars’ Turkey from using Pakistani pilots for F-16 training

ANKARA- The US government has reportedly turned down a proposal put forth by Turkey to use Pakistani pilots for F-16 training, hinting at the fraught relations between Washington and Islamabad. POTUS making good on his promise to "get tough" on the Pakis :roll:
The refusal was quoted by a pro-government columnist Mehmet Acet, who in Yeni Şafak daily claimed that Turkish Air Forces had asked Pakistan to send three F-16 pilots to train their pilots. Pakistan welcomed the Turkish request, however, US refused to allow Ankara to go with Pakistani trainers, wrote Acet while quoting a senior general as a source. According to an F16 purchase agreement between Turkey and the United States, the US must give its approval to any third party involvement in the use of the aircraft. Pakistan should take up "this challenge" to defy the US :mrgreen:
According to Acet, the general used a Turkish idiom in response to Washington’s refusal, saying, ‘This means you fall down where you are.’Although the Turkish air force generally does not need need pilots by any third country but as a result of the botched coup in 2016, Turkey let go 680 of 1,350 pilots in the Turkish Air Forces.In order to compensate for the paucity of pilots, the government called on former pilots who opted to work in the private sector after 10 years of service in the air forces to return to the military, but only 50 pilots responded to the call. So, Pakistan is asked by Turkee- to be their so-called " union buster" for the cause of Ummah Brotherhood, but this idea has been "shot down" by their "masters" :twisted:
As an antidote to the crisis, the government introduced an article in a recently issued state of emergency decree stipulating that pilots, including former pilots, should serve 18 years in the air forces before being allowed to work in the private sector.
In the meantime, Turkey thought to hire Pakistani pilots for training but the proposal was rejected by Trump led America exploring new options in Afghanistan and ramping up pressure on Pakistan. Pressure being subtly applied to Paki balls :twisted:

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Postby Peregrine » 30 Aug 2017 23:57

CIA showed evidence of nuclear proliferation by Dr. Khan: Musharraf

Former President of Pakistan Pervaiz Musharraf said that when CIA showed him the evidence of nuclear proliferation done by Pakistani nuclear scientist Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, it was most disappointed day of his entire life. Methinks that Mush's most disappointing day of his entire life was when he got his Tush whupped in Kargil!

In an interview on a private tv channel, Musharraf revealed that Dr. Khan apologized and asked for his help in a meeting.

The former President asked Dr. Khan to tell the nation what he said in meeting and leave the matter to him.

George W. Bush, then US President, although didn’t ask for Dr. Khan’s custody but referred to him as an international criminal, said Musharraf.

Dr. Khan denied these claims of former president and called him a liar. He said that Musharraf is a traitor who betrayed his country just for some dollars.

Dr. Khan also revealed that former President asked then Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali to give him to the CIA.

Dr. Khan wanted to tell the truth in US but authorities didn’t permit him to do so because of the danger of severe reaction from the public.

Although Musharraf called him a national hero but due to US pressure held him under house arrest and said that he will be released in three to four weeks, he added.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 30 Aug 2017 23:57

Pakistaniyat Surfaces In Krachi :D

Hate-Crime Target: A group of men kill Karachi transgender, after egging & verbal abuse

A group of men in Karachi, parading through the streets at night in a white car, are believed to have murdered a 46-year-old transgender named Chanda.
According to sources, the car was seen in the late hours of Tuesday, around 12:00 am, where they threw eggs at a few transgenders who were walking on the road.Sources further claimed that the transgenders, in return, abused them back when they were hurled abuses at, and egged.
After hearing the verbal abuse by the transgenders, the car turned around and opened fire at them, the result of which one transgender was killed on the spot. IMO, Pakistan is not yet ready ( even on "paper" ! ) to grant "equal rights" to transgenders, homos/gays, even women for that matter! . ( Malsi is a big factor ! The Mullah Brigade may be encouraging this sort of behaviour ! ) A lot of "showbaazi" and publicity was generated by the recent decision to place a transgender category on Paki passport ! I do not entirely "blame" the Pakis govt ! A lot of this has to do their quest for = = in India . Whatever India does, Pakis have to imitate it without considering the consequences . They need to "educate" their awaam, instead of blindly following the precepts of Malsi - applicable to the desert environment of thousand years ago. !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 00:10

Paki Ayesha Does Does Dancing To Promote Selling Of Eid Animals In The Islamic Republic Of Pakistan :shock:

Pakistani woman performs ‘Mujra’ to sell cow to customers this Eid

In a BIZARRE attempt to sell animals this Eid, men have stooped as low as to hire dancers to help sell their animals.
A recent video surfaced on Facebook, showing a woman dancing, holding on to the rope attached to the cow, while enjoying her performance on Indian song ‘Nachaan Faratay Maar Ke’. Men can be seen ogling at her ‘goodies’, some filming her, some silently staring.
The event has become more of an ‘ENTERTAINMENT’ than remembering the REAL reason for the sacrifice. It seems to be a shameful attempt to lure in men (customers).


Where is the 24/7 - 365 days a year PEMRA !!!
Where is the Mullah Brigade for that matter !!!
Why is the matter not being "discussed" in the NA, PA, Senate and other Paki Forums!!!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 00:51

Negligence, Oversight, Or Sloppiness . Who Knows :roll:

Exclusive: Imran Awan Has Still-Active Secret House Account, And It’s Tied To An Intelligence Staffer
Luke Rosiak on August 29, 2017

A former IT aide suspected of stealing equipment and data from Congress still has an active, secret email account on the House computer system, even though he has been banned from the congressional network because of a criminal investigation into the alleged cybersecurity violations, The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group has learned. Imran Awan’s still-active email address is linked to the name of a House staffer who specializes in intelligence and homeland security matters for Indiana Democratic Rep. André Carson. Court documents and emails obtained by TheDCNF show Awan used the address 123@mail.house.gov in addition to his standard imran.awan@mail.house.gov account. Congress is on summer holidays. So is the investigation, it seems :twisted:
He and two of his Pakistani-born brothers, as well as his wife, are at the center of an FBI investigation over their IT work with dozens of Democratic congressional offices. Authorities shut down Awan’s standard email account Feb. 2, and he was arrested by the FBI at Dulles International Airport trying to board a flight to his native Pakistan on July 25. Authorities apparently did not realize Awan has a second account that is not linked to his identity. While his main email address began rejecting mail after it was shut down, the 123 address was still accepting mail Tuesday.
With his arrest, hopefully nothing is being forwarded to Pakistan !
Mail sent via Gmail fills in the name of the account-holder of 123 as Nathan Bennett, whose LinkedIn profile says his individual legislative portfolio covers “national security and foreign affairs” and includes work on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.The member Bennett works for, Carson, is a member of both the House Intelligence and House Homeland Security Committees, and previously employed Awan. So, there is a "Paki mole" right into the "heart of Massa's intelligence establishment
Carson is ranking member of the House intelligence subcommittee on emerging threats, which oversees the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The subcommittee oversight extends to the National Counterterrorism Center and information-sharing programs.A spokeswoman for Carson, Jessica Gail, did not express concern or surprise when contacted by TheDCNF about Awan’s still-active email address Monday morning. Bennett said Tuesday morning Gail had not even informed him of the details.
Bennett, who is Carson’s deputy chief of staff, told TheDCNF he has no control over the 123 address. “However this happened, it was not with my consent or control,” he said in an email. “For the record, I do not, nor have I ever, had control of the 123@mail.house.gov email account or any other account connected with Imran Awan or his family.” That could not be confirmed by the House’s chief administrative officer (CAO) because spokesman Dan Weiser has said “the CAO will not comment on matters pertaining to this ongoing investigation.” Bennett’s response raises questions about whether Awan was misusing Carson’s office, access or staffers. Gail declined to comment on Awan, or state whether the office is concerned he may have misused Bennett’s identity. She also declined to state whether the office has taken any measures to assess its data security since Awan’s problems came to the attention of the office in September 2016.
Carson had employed Awan since 2015, and did not fire him when his office learned Awan was the subject of an investigation in September. He also did not fire Awan immediately after he was banned from the House computer network by Capitol Police in February. Of the 13 House Democrats who employed Awan, only two — Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Rep. Marcia Fudge — waited longer than Carson to fire him after the red flags emerged, payroll records show.Gail directed TheDCNF to the House Information Resources Office (HIR). “Our office has no control over House email addresses,” she said. “Those are controlled through the House Information Resources office. Any questions regarding the 123@mail.house.gov address should be directed to that office.” Passing the buck !
Court documents and testimony from others back up Awan’s use of the 123 address.A landlord mentioned the address in a claim he filed against Awan for unpaid rent at an apartment called Morningside. “He told me that he worked for the House of Representatives, his email is 123@mail.house.gov,” the landlord said in Fairfax, Va., court records show.
Awan and his wife, Hina Alvi, owned four houses and collected $330,000 annually in congressional salaries. It’s unclear why he would be paying rent on the Morningside apartment. His stepmother, Samina Gilani, claims Awan had two wives under Islamic law — both in Virginia — and that he “kept” his second wife in a place she knew as “Morningside.” TheDCNF did not independently verify her account. Gilani said the second wife’s name is Sumaira Sidiq, also spelled Saddiq, and that Awan divorced her the same month that court records say he stopped paying rent on Morningside. TheDCNF visited the apartment, but no one responded to a knock on the door. ( So, as per Malsi, he had a "second hidden wife"; wonder if the first one knew about the second, and the second knew about the first ) :mrgreen: ) .After TheDCNF contacted tenants of a single-family home involved in an alleged mortgage fraud for which Awan has been indicted, a past renter, Laurel Everly, provided TheDCNF with email correspondence with Awan at the 123 address.
Everly described Imran Awan as a highly aggressive landlord who threatened to sue her if she didn’t pay for damage to the basement caused by natural flooding and a broken sump pump. She claimed he broke an air conditioner by installing a part incorrectly and then demanded that she buy him a new one. She also said he “charged me $350 for not gardening.” “He’s a really bad guy, he laid the pressure on so heavily,” she told TheDCNF. “He absolutely is capable of trying to extort money. … He presents himself well — a clean-cut articulate man — but when he turns snake, I can’t think for a minute that he didn’t turn dishonest in his work [in Congress].” Besides fraud charges, he should also be slapped with "slumlord" charges as well !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 31 Aug 2017 01:08

NA adopts resolution rejecting 'hostile and threatening' statements made by Trump

passed a resolution rejecting the "hostile and threatening" statements made by US President Donald J. Trump and Gen John W. Nicholson
The resolution categorically rejected Gen Nicolson's claims regarding the existence of the Taliban shura in Peshawar and Quetta.
The NA also disapproved of the "unacceptable targeting of Pakistan" by Trump in his speech while he announced Washington's new South Asia policy.
The resolution further rejected Trump's claim that billions of dollars in aid have been spent on Pakistan, stating that Pakistan's economy has suffered a loss of more than $123 billion.
The lower house condemned Washington's call for increased Indian involvement in Afghanistan
"As a responsible nuclear weapons state, Pakistan has in place a robust and credible command and control system which has been universally recognised," the resolution asserted.
the National Assembly has also urged the Government of Pakistan to 'consider' the following steps:
1. The postponement of diplomatic visits between Washington and Islamabad

2. Suspension of cooperation with the US, specifically the provision of ground and air lines of communication through Pakistan

3. Draw and inform the US of a blueprint for the dignified return of all Afghan refugees

4. Formulate economic policies to deal with any situation arising out of the absence of US assistance


Saved the best for the last.

The National Assembly has also expressed concerns about increasing concentration of ISIS and other terrorist networks in Afghan provinces bordering Pakistan and demand that Afghanistan, US and its allies close borders for leaders of terrorist groups carrying out acts of terrorism against Pakistan.


Take that.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1354926/na-ad ... e-by-trump

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 31 Aug 2017 01:22

Zia-part deux!

'Peanuts, not billions of dollars': Nisar assails Trump's claims of aid for Pakistan

Pakistan was not responsible for the failure of US and its allies in Afghanistan
Nisar also ridiculed Trump's claim that the US has paid "billions and billions of dollars" to Pakistan and called on the government to issue the record of the past 20 years to "expose" American claims.
"It's not billions of dollars, it's peanuts,"
Coalition Support Fund payments from the US were for services rendered by Pakistan
"If our bill [for military services] is $500 million, they [US] sit on it for months [...] and end up giving us $200 million."
"They have ruined our roads, our airspace and our country, but are not ready to pay for the expenses."
the US has been able to point fingers because Pakistan did not keep a proper record of American assistance 8) .
an audit of US aid received in the last 10 years should be conducted to determine how much money was spent in Pakistan, and "how much they gave with one hand and how much went back [with] the other". 8)
the biggest destabilising factor in Afghanistan is the US plan to impose a "totally irrelevant country", India, on Afghanistan
"Our army, our police, even our own people, have lost their lives in this war; no other country can say they have done as much."
both sides should sit down and "tabulate the amount of money that has been given to us and of everything that has been taken from us


Yes, Doodh ka doodh, paani ka paani karein (bhee will ishep'rate waater fram milk). Enter stage left, sialkoti accountants.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1354908/peanu ... r-pakistan

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Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 03:55

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Isi liye to showbaz kehty hain isy :lol:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 04:49

Afghanistan May Pay Pakistan In The Same Coin .

Islamabad fears Kabul may block goods supply to ECO states :D
The Express Tribune

ISLAMABAD:
As the diplomatic row escalates, Pakistan voices fear that Afghanistan may create hurdles to prevent the use of its territory for goods transportation to member states of the Economic Cooperation Organisation (ECO) and European countries.At present, Pakistan and China are executing a $57-billion economic corridor project. In the wake of this, Pakistan is exploring the option of connecting to the Central Asian states via land routes. Afghanistan is saying that do not take us for granted !
Earlier, Pakistan and Tajikistan were desirous of signing a transit trade agreement with Afghanistan, but the latter was hesitant and demanded inclusion of India in the agreement. However, Pakistan dismissed the demand, saying India could not be part of the deal unless it improved diplomatic ties.
Pakistan is a signatory of the ECO Transit Transport Framework Agreement (TTFA), which came into force on May 19, 2006. Its objectives include development and maintenance of mutually beneficial transit transport arrangements for regional and international trade.
However, Pakistan, along with Afghanistan, has so far not accepted the Convention on the Contract for International Carriage of Goods by Road (CMR) while other ECO member states are party to the agreement.
Without accession to the CMR and the regulatory framework, the transportation of goods by Pakistani vehicles via land routes to the ECO member states and European countries will not be permissible.
The cabinet members felt that more consultation needed to be undertaken and put off decision on the critical issue at a time when Pakistan’s exports had weakened steadily There is a finite demand for towels and other cotton items . :D
ECO is an inter-governmental regional organisation established in 1985 by Iran, Pakistan and Turkey for promoting economic, technical and cultural cooperation. Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan later joined the bloc. Pakistan can no longer able to "bully" Afghanistan as it was doing in the past. This is a "new Afghanistan" that Pakistan will have to deal. On an equal footing. :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Guddu » 31 Aug 2017 05:02

So the paki response to Trump, per their national assembly...translated for the noobs

Calling Trump's statement "hostile and threatening", the National Assembly has also urged the Government of Pakistan to 'consider' the following steps:

1. The postponement of diplomatic visits between Washington and Islamabad For how long, lets see do bakis get invited to USA, or will the danda come to paki lands

2. Suspension of cooperation with the US, specifically the provision of ground and air lines of communication through Pakistan Himmat hai kya

3. Draw and inform the US of a blueprint for the dignified return of all Afghan refugees. Allah ke naam pe paisa de do

4. Formulate economic policies to deal with any situation arising out of the absence of US assistance. beg more from China

5. Commence a diplomatic initiative, particularly in friendly countries in the region, to inform them of Pakistan's counter terrorism strategy and successes and the repercussions in the region of failed US policies while reiterating Pakistan's determination to strengthen control on borders with Afghanistan and demand cooperation and similar action from Afghanistan and ISAF. Which one, Cheen is their baap

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Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 05:20

Earlier "Good News" For Pakis Turns Out To Be "Fake News"

News of Qatar’s Visa on Arrival for Pakistanis is Untrue: Official :D

Media reports of Qatar’s visa on arrival for Pakistanis, as you could imagine, are untrue, we have officially checked with Qatar Airline.News went viral in Pakistan earlier this evening when a misstatement printed on Qatar Airline’s official website was quoted by media houses in Pakistan. The statement on Qatar Airline’s official website reads:
However, as a matter of fact, Pakistan is not included in the list of 80 countries that are offered visa-on-arrival by Qatar. Qatar Airline official confirmed that visa on arrival service is not valid for Pakistani nationals.
Pakistanis, instead, can obtain a free visa for 30 days if they meet following requirements:
Buy tickets from Qatar Airline’s official website
Make hotel reservations from list of hotels listed on Qatar Airline’s official website
Passengers should have $1500 in cash or a credit card with same credit limit
Apply for Visa from Qatar’s website
An official of Qatar Airline confirmed ProPakistani that Pakistanis can get free visa (while they are in Pakistan) if and only if they meet above requirements. In such cases, Qatar Airline will arrange free visa for Pakistani nationals, said the statement.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby sum » 31 Aug 2017 05:22

Guddu wrote:So the paki response to Trump, per their national assembly...translated for the noobs

Calling Trump's statement "hostile and threatening", the National Assembly has also urged the Government of Pakistan to 'consider' the following steps:

1. The postponement of diplomatic visits between Washington and Islamabad For how long, lets see do bakis get invited to USA, or will the danda come to paki lands

2. Suspension of cooperation with the US, specifically the provision of ground and air lines of communication through Pakistan Himmat hai kya

3. Draw and inform the US of a blueprint for the dignified return of all Afghan refugees. Allah ke naam pe paisa de do

4. Formulate economic policies to deal with any situation arising out of the absence of US assistance. beg more from China

5. Commence a diplomatic initiative, particularly in friendly countries in the region, to inform them of Pakistan's counter terrorism strategy and successes and the repercussions in the region of failed US policies while reiterating Pakistan's determination to strengthen control on borders with Afghanistan and demand cooperation and similar action from Afghanistan and ISAF. Which one, Cheen is their baap

Basically zero leverage ( other than the unstated side effects of suddenly more attacks on US servicemen in Afghanistan) other than crying and sulking

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 05:34

Mosquitoes Decide To Give "Eid Break" To Pakis !

Risk of Congo, Chikungunya Diseases Will Increase After Eid

The significant movement of livestock to cities during Eid-ul-Adha coupled with persistent rainfall is exposing new areas of the country to dangerous vector-borne diseases like Congo-Crimean haemorrhagic fever (CCHF) and chikungunya, according to health experts.
Experts noted that cases of CCHF – a deadly disease – which has been found in animals in Balochistan and Kashmir, ( hidden hand of RAA :roll: ) are being detected in new areas of the country such as Bahawalpur in Punjab.
Health researchers and infectious disease specialists were addressing a capacity-building session for Sindh-based doctors at Aga Khan University organised by the World Health Organization (WHO) and Directorate of Health Services, Karachi. The event aimed to disseminate the latest knowledge in the diagnosis and management of complicated cases of CCHF, chikungunya, dengue, malaria, naegleria and West Nile virus. WHO will most probably be "financially milked" for this event !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby abhijitm » 31 Aug 2017 08:53

Trump earlier threatened NK with fire and fury...nothing happened. NK going with its business as usual, US Japs and SKoreans issuing statements and doing drills as usual.

This could encourage pak to ignore trump rhetorics.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby sum » 31 Aug 2017 09:31

The sheer amount of leverage Amir-khan has over TSP and its leaders is no comparable to NoKo and China cannot sustain TSP as much as it can NoKo with its large common borders .
Also, TSP is more a "good to influence over have" for China compared to NoKo which is a must have due to proximity to its main cities. So, China will never be a sugar daddy to TSP as much as to NoKo

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Philip » 31 Aug 2017 13:30

Veteran Pak journo,Hussein,on the grim reality that Pak's decision-makers must accept.

Walking a tightrope
Irfan HusainUpdated August 26, 2017

WALKING a tightrope is not for the fainthearted: sooner or later, a gust of wind can threaten your balance.

Ever since the Americans attacked and occupied Afghanistan in 2001, Pakistan has teetered on the edge of Washington’s tolerance for what it sees as our double-faced policy of running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. Time and again, policymakers in Islamabad and GHQ have been exhorted publicly and privately to stop supporting and sheltering the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network.

So much so that the mantra ‘Pakistan must do more’ has become background noise in our relationship with the US, and goes into one ear, and out the other. But now Trump has turned up the heat with his ‘new’ policy on Afghanistan.

However, apart from his threats to Pakistan, Trump is treading the same path taken by his predecessors: more troops who, according to the US president, will now ‘fight to win’. As opposed to earlier American efforts designed to lose?

The reality is that as long as we cannot seal off our border with Afghanistan completely, insurgents there of every stripe will continue to cross over to recuperate and rearm. Anybody who has travelled in some of the border areas will know how tough the terrain is, and how difficult it is to close it completely. By the same token, Afghan and US forces cannot prevent cross-border movement from the other side either.

History tells us that when one side has a neighbouring land where it can shelter, the fight can go on for a very long time. Thus, North Vietnam provided sanctuary and arms to the Vietcong. China did the same for North Korean forces during the Korean War in the early 1950s. Russia is today providing Ukranian separatists with bases and arms.

We have often been exhorted to stop supporting Afghan insurgents.

By contrast, the Tamil Tigers were cornered with their backs to the sea by the Sri Lankan army in 2009 and crushed. Although the cost in civilian lives was appallingly high, the 25-year civil war was over. And when it came to the crunch, nobody could help the Tamil Tigers, and they had nowhere to run to.

So what do these different conflicts teach us? Basically, it becomes next to impossible to defeat even a much weaker foe if there’s a neighbour willing to provide sanctuary. For years, we were accused of doing just that, for instance, providing housing and security to the ‘Quetta Shura’ in the Balochistan capital, despite official denials.

Earlier, as we developed nuclear capability in the 1970s and 1980s, we escaped US sanctions partly because of the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan, but also because we parried every question regarding our nuclear ambitions by claiming we were engaged in peaceful research.

And while plausible deniability has been honed to a fine art by our diplomats, it doesn’t work forever. Thus, when the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, US sanctions kicked in, sending Pakistan into a deep sulk.

However, there are lessons for Washington here as well: Pakistan’s security concerns do not necessarily overlap with America’s. The worst nightmare for our military planners is a nexus between India and Afghanistan that would encircle us. Thus, the security establishment feels it needs proxies to keep the pro-Indian Afghan government off-balance.

But this stance runs contrary to the US policy of strengthening Kabul so they can leave as soon as possible. After a trillion dollars wasted, over 2,000 lives lost and 16 years of stalemate, America needs a scapegoat, and we are the best candidate around.

Also, Washington does not see India as a threat to Pakistan: on the contrary, it sees Pakistan as the aggressor in the region, sending jihadis into India-held Kashmir and India to commit acts of terrorism, and shielding people like Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed. The truth is that Pakistan stands isolated, with only China and Russia bailing us out diplomatically.

In Washington, politicians and pundits lambast us regularly for the double game we are perceived as playing. In the eyes of the public there, once we accepted billions of dollars from Washington, we agreed to help their country, and not their enemies.

This might be a simplistic explanation for the pressure from Washington, but then Americans are not very good at nuanced messaging. We now have to somehow balance our security needs with America’s.

Although Trump’s invitation to India to help in Afghanistan will be a red flag to our generals, they now need to wake up and smell the coffee. The security paradigm in our neighbourhood is shifting, and we must take a cold, hard look at our regional policy.

We cannot afford to antagonise America as it is too big, too powerful, and under Trump, too unpredictable, to turn our back on what has been a productive relationship. Despite brave words about sovereignty, we still have a begging bowl in our hands.

Published in Dawn, August 26th, 2017

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Aditya_V » 31 Aug 2017 13:35

This is BS, Pakis must be made to Believe USA is afraid of them.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Philip » 31 Aug 2017 13:44

From the same scribe,why there will never be change in Pak until the Military are muzzled.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1352421/the-military-mind
The military mind
Irfan HusainUpdated August 19, 2017

MY son Shakir must have been around eight when, after hearing yet another anti-army rant from me during the Zia era, he stopped me in mid-flow by asking: “But why shouldn’t the army rule? After all, they have the guns.”

I was horrified by his question, and proceeded to give him a lecture on democracy and liberty. Far from being convinced, he looked bored, and soon ran off to play. Some 35 years later, it seems that it is our self-exiled dictator, Pervez Musharraf, who needs the same lecture I gave Shakir.

In a recent interview with BBC Urdu, he said some outrageous things about democracy without having the excuse of being eight years old. But he is not alone to hold such opinions about politics and politicians: his arrogance and sense of superiority can be found in messes and barracks across the country as officers speak contemptuously about the “bloody civilians”.

The defence forces are whitewashed of all sins.


In his interview, Musharraf claimed: “Dictators set the country right, whereas civilian governments brought it to ruins … military rule always brought progress to Pakistan.” For good measure, he added: “All Asian countries have seen progress because of dictators.” :rotfl:

Really? He only has to look across our eastern border to see India thriving economically under elected governments. Further east, we have Myanmar, a country brought to the brink of bankruptcy by its rapacious generals. Any progress in Pakistan has to be set off against the break-up of the country under Yahya Khan; the rise of extremism under Zia that still exerts its pernicious influence; and the breakdown of democratic institutions under each dictator.

Speaking about the coup he staged to come to power in 1999, Musharraf said: “The coup was staged because it was the demand of the country’s people.” It’s news to me that the junta who seized power while he was in mid-air had conducted an opinion poll. The unvarnished truth is that the power grab happened solely because Nawaz Sharif decided to change the army chief, as was his right.

And if anybody has any doubts about who has a hand in the forced disappearances, torture and murders in Balochistan, here is Musharraf again: “India is involved in Balochistan. Whoever works actively against the welfare of Pakistan is against the country and should be killed.”

In his book In the Line of Fire, Musharraf feigns ignorance about Dr A.Q. Khan’s nuclear proliferation activities. According to a recent Foreign Office statement, Pakistan was deeply embarrassed by the disclosure that it was involved in the development of North Korea’s nuclear programme. To believe that the army — responsible for security at our nuclear installations — was unaware of A.Q. Khan’s activities in Libya, Iran and North Korea is like believing that babies are brought by storks. :rotfl:

Had these views been confined to one deluded general, we could shrug our shoulders, wish him a swift recovery, and move on. But this mindset seems to be hard-wired into others as well. There are even some young captains who throw their weight around, expecting mere civilians to bow and scrape around them. Cops have been beaten up over the years for daring to stop an officer over a traffic violation.

Having said all this, let us be clear that politicians and bureaucrats have hardly been blameless in encouraging the army to seize power: over the years, many have profited by forming an alliance to rule with it in contravention of the Constitution, even though Musharraf says: “We cannot ruin the country in order to save the Constitution. We can disregard the Constitution to save the people.” :rotfl:

And the Supreme Court has consistently legitimised military coups. Even when blatant military interference in the electoral process was established, as it was in the Asghar Khan case, no action against those involved has ever been taken. Yet our superior judiciary is swift to intervene when elected governments are deemed to be at fault.

And many in the media, seeking to curry favour with our spooks, are unsparing in their criticism of politicians, while tiptoeing around the uniformed elephant in the room. No wonder that the mud doesn’t seem to stick to the generals, while unconfirmed accusations are routinely levelled against politicians.

Given this nexus of hostile forces arrayed against them, it’s no surprise that they are seen as inefficient and venal. The military, on the other hand, is whitewashed of all sins. And yet each times a dictator is forced out of office, he leaves a bigger mess behind.

Now that Shakir is an adult, he understands the unrepresentative and arbitrary nature of military rule. I only wish many in the military shared his maturity.

Just for the record, I have been a dinner guest of Musharraf’s a couple of times, and he was a gracious host. I wish I could say something more complimentary about him.

Published in Dawn, August 19th, 2017


PS:The delusions of Gen.Bandicoot,MuIshy-the-rat,are so anti-democratic and monstrous,gives rise to suspicion that he was clearly smoking Afghan's finest crop,vintage quality! This characteristic seems to have afflicted almost all of the army chiefs over the last 50 yrs. in particular. As they now rant and rave against Trump and co.,Pak runs the risk of being an easy candidate for some Yanqui target practice,which Trump can demonstrate to another irksome ruler from the land of Kim-chi. In fact,taking pot shot at Paki mil. installations even in "Pindi,would send a signal message to rogue leaders worldwide.The Pakis should be given a clear deadline within which they should hand over the wanted Islamic terrorists protected by the regime. After that the US could consider it fit to take whatever mil measures needed for the same. It would also offer the US a good excuse to defang Pak of its troublesome nukes which could land into the hands of the jihadis it supports,protects and pretends do not exist. Come on Donald, time to drop the MOAB on PIndi what?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2017 14:21

Dawood may be 'here, somewhere, but why we should assist India': Pervez Musharraf - Economic Times
Former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf has hinted that fugitive underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, the key accused in the 1993 Mumbai serial blasts, is in Karachi.

In an interview with a Pakistani news channel, Musharraf said, "India has been accusing Pakistan for long. Why should we now become good and assist them? I don't know where Dawood is. He must be here, somewhere. India has been killing Muslims and Dawood Ibrahim has been reacting," giving a clear indication that the wanted criminal might be putting up in Pakistan.

Musharraf, when asked about Pakistan's consistent denial about Bin Laden's erstwhile presence in their country, said, "The issue is we have human intelligence. When Osama was killed, nobody knew that he was Osama :rotfl: and was staying there as people thought of him as a drug dealer."

"Even I have doubt that he was living in Abbotabad continuously for five years," he added.

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Postby Peregrine » 31 Aug 2017 14:52

Arms sale to Pakistan has strings - Gardiner Harris | NYT News Service

WASHINGTON: The Trump administration notified Congress on Wednesday that it was putting $255 million in military assistance to Pakistan into the equivalent of an escrow account that Islamabad can only access if it does more to crack down on internal terror networks launching attacks on neighboring Afghanistan.

The dueling messages sent to Pakistan — promising aid but attaching strings if the country's counterterror efforts fall short — are part of an increasingly confrontational turn in an alliance that has long been strained.

The United States has provided Pakistan more than $33 billion in aid since 2002. But the annual funding has declined in recent years as Washington became increasingly disenchanted with Pakistan's quiet support for the Haqqani network and the Taliban, whose attacks have been responsible for the deaths of US troops in Afghanistan.

Still, US officials have long recognized that Pakistan has tried to crack down on terror groups, and plays an important role in facilitating supply shipments to the US military in Afghanistan.
Last week, in announcing his new strategy for the war in Afghanistan, President Donald Trump excoriated Pakistan.

"We can no longer be silent about Pakistan's safe havens for terrorist organizations, the Taliban, and other groups that pose a threat to the region and beyond," Trump said.

He added: "We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting. But that will have to change, and that will change immediately."

State Department officials said that Trump's promised changes would bring explicit conditions on military aid. Once Pakistan more aggressively pursues the Taliban and Haqqani network, the aid will be released — a determination to be made by Secretary of State Rex W Tillerson, officials said.

Last week, Tillerson suggested that the United States' patience with Pakistan was nearing a breaking point.

"We're going to be conditioning our support for Pakistan and our relationship with them on them delivering results in this area," Tillerson said.

Critics of US aid to Pakistan said the administration was still not being tough enough.

"I would have preferred that the money just disappeared," said C Christine Fair, an associate professor at Georgetown University. "But if they're going to do this, they should have said Pakistan can't buy strategic weapons that could be used to attack India, such as F-16s."

The $255 million in military assistance was the largest portion of $1.1 billion in aid authorized by Congress in 2016 that also included money for counternarcotics operations and health initiatives. If the State Department had failed to notify Congress in the next few weeks of its intention to spend the money, it would have been returned to the US Treasury.

Rather than lose such a carrot, Trump administration officials said they wanted to use the money as incentive for Pakistan to change its behavior. By effectively putting the funds into escrow, the Trump administration also allows its own ongoing review of its policy toward Pakistan to continue unaffected by aid concerns, officials said Wednesday.

The Obama administration tried to use the sale of eight new F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in the same way to persuade Pakistan's government to better police its border with Afghanistan. Congressional strings on the deal made it less attractive to Pakistan.

In 2011, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton famously said at a town-hall meeting in Islamabad: "You know, it's like the old story: You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbors."

Trump's explicit call for India to become more engaged in Afghanistan demonstrated that Washington's long history balancing the two South Asian rivals has tipped in India's favor, which has deeply alarmed Islamabad.

But the Trump administration can ill afford to ignore Pakistan and its nuclear arsenal, which has served as a source for nuclear materials sent to Iran, North Korea and Libya.

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Postby Peregrine » 31 Aug 2017 15:39

City govt seeks Pak Army help as rain wrecks havoc in Karachi
KARACHI: City government has sought Pakistan Army assistance to cope with the rain emergency after torrential rains flooded Karachi Thursday.
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Postby anupmisra » 31 Aug 2017 16:36

Chaudhry NoSaar claimed yesterday that US aid has amounted to "peanuts" (and no where in billions)! Well, now we know. It has been $33 billion since 2002. Aid! Not loans. This is on top of reimbursements of expenses for services rendered.

Let the gujranwala accountants get to work on this immediately because, apparently, pakis do not have a record of this aid.

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Postby anupmisra » 31 Aug 2017 17:03

No clue who killed Benazir as all five arrested in murder case acquitted; Musharraf declared absconder

The Anti-terrorism court on Thursday acquitted all the five accused arrested in Benazir Bhutto murder case, declared former military dictator Pervez Musharraf absconder and sentenced former Rawalpindi CPO Saud Aziz and former Rawal Town SP Khurram Shahzad for 17 years each in prison.
After more than nine years of her assassination and hundreds of hearings, the prosecution failed to link those arrested and the main accused including former Pakistan Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud who was killed in a drone strike several years ago.
Giving arguments, the counsel said that Aitzaz Shah was declared a suicide attacker while the seminary administration was not interrogated from where he got training.
The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) Prosecutor Chaudhry Azhar, in his arguments, said that attack was carried out from outside of the vehicle and not from inside, so why interrogate those who were in the vehicle.
He also said that former President Pervez Musharraf had excused himself from appearing before the court citing death threats against his life from al-Qaeda.
Pervez Musharraf has remained an absconder since the beginning.


Case closed?

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22729 ... -absconder

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Postby anupmisra » 31 Aug 2017 17:05

'Dawood Ibrahim may be in Pakistan', says Musharraf

Former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf has said that Dawood Ibrahim, the alleged mastermind of 1993 Mumbai serial blasts, might be in Pakistan, however, he said Islamabad would never assist New Delhi in his search
Why should we now become good and assist them?


https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22728 ... -Musharraf

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby abhijitm » 31 Aug 2017 17:09

anupmisra wrote:Chaudhry NoSaar claimed yesterday that US aid has amounted to "peanuts" (and no where in billions)! Well, now we know. It has been $33 billion since 2002. Aid! Not loans. This is on top of reimbursements of expenses for services rendered.

Let the gujranwala accountants get to work on this immediately because, apparently, pakis do not have a record of this aid.

They have not bought fancy military equipments, neither there is any sign of civil development. So most of this aid was individual bribe and must have been distributed among 450 odd prominent families and generals.

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Postby anupmisra » 31 Aug 2017 17:12

Transgender community rejects census results

The 2017 population census concludes Pakistan has 10,418 transgender persons which is 0.005% of the total population 207.77 million.
Qamar said they’re optimistic because Pakistan still is a “world leader” when it comes to pro-transgender legislation. :P


http://dailytimes.com.pk/features/30-Au ... us-results

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Postby Gyan » 31 Aug 2017 17:21

My personal guess is that Aid/Soft Loan/Reimbursement for fake war on terrorism to Pakistan from USA, Saudi, US European allies, Multi lateral agencies etc can be upto US$ 5 Billion per annum apart from another US$ 5 Billion in trade benefits. It is equivalent to India getting paid US$ 70-100 Billion per annum for killing US Soldiers.

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Postby sudeepj » 31 Aug 2017 20:58

sum wrote:The sheer amount of leverage Amir-khan has over TSP and its leaders is no comparable to NoKo and China cannot sustain TSP as much as it can NoKo with its large common borders .
Also, TSP is more a "good to influence over have" for China compared to NoKo which is a must have due to proximity to its main cities. So, China will never be a sugar daddy to TSP as much as to NoKo


Not just that, Pak population is 10 times the size of NoKo with a much weaker state apparatus. Pak has become too large to prop up.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Cosmo_R » 31 Aug 2017 21:21

anupmisra wrote:Chaudhry NoSaar claimed yesterday that US aid has amounted to "peanuts" (and no where in billions)! Well, now we know. It has been $33 billion since 2002. Aid! Not loans. This is on top of reimbursements of expenses for services rendered.

Let the gujranwala accountants get to work on this immediately because, apparently, pakis do not have a record of this aid.


Anyway you look at it, peanuts is what you pay monkeys.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 21:23

BB murder case: ATC orders to release all five arrested suspects

Anti Terrorist Court (ATC) has ordered to release all five arrested suspects in Benazir Bhutto Case as the verdict was announced in Adiala jail today. The court has ordered to release Rafaqat, Husnain, Rasheed Ahmad, Sher Zaman and Aitzaz Shah immediately, news reports stated. Meanwhile, the court has declared former military dictator General (r) Pervaiz Musharraf as absconder in the case. "The court has ordered to distraint his property in Pakistan," the reports said. Meanwhile, former CPO Saud Aziz and SP Khurram Shahzad have been sentenced to 17-year prison respectively. Both are also fined Rs 0.5 million each and were arrested from the court after verdict.Saud Aziz was CPO of Rawalpindi at time of Benazir Bhutto's murder at Liaqaut Bagh in 2007.
The verdict has been announced after almost a decade.

IMO, a Mohajir General has been sacrificed to protect the Pakjabi dominated Paki Fauj ; his chances of returning back to Pakistan for political wheeling dealing has been dealt a severe blow. Would not be surprised if the released five , meet some sort of "unnatural death" so as not to "spill the beans".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 22:04

JuD leaders challenge detention

LAHORE: Jamatud Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed and its four other leaders have challenged in the Lahore High Court the last orders for their detention issued by the Punjab government.A writ petition filed through Advocate AK Dogar states that the Home Department issued the impugned orders on July 28 last under section 1 of section 3 of Maintenance of Public Order, 1960 detaining the petitioners for a period of next 60 days. So, the period has now expired . A dilemma for the Paki Govt . And also a good chance to defy POTUS and release him :mrgreen:
The petition states that a representation against the detention was submitted to the home secretary on Aug 3 but no action has been taken so far. It pleads that there is no evidence whatsoever that the petitioners are planning to spread chaos in the country or that they have planned violent demonstrations.
It says the government in the impugned detention orders has only shown apprehension against the petitioners. However, it pleads, under the law no presumption and assumption can give rise to any apprehension unless it is supported by some piece of evidence.
The government said JuD and its allied organisation (Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation) had been kept under observation on the basis of a report sent by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And in the light of that report, the government had reasons to believe that JuD and FIF were engaged in certain activities which could be prejudicial to peace and security and in violation of Pakistan’s obligation to the United Nations Security Council resolution, it said. IMO, he will be set free as one other defiant action against Trump's so-called new policy for Pakistan !

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Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 22:23

According To This "Long Winding Story" Someone In Pakistan Is Trying To Malign The So-Called Stellar Reputation Of Shahbaz Sharif In Connection With The Multan Metro Project And Its Dealings With A Chinese Company . Lots Of "Forged Documents And Forged Endorsements"- Which Various Parties Have Denied Issuing - Are Mentioned In The Story. As Of Date, No Corruption Evidence Against Shahbaz Has Surfaced And As Of Date, His Reputation Remains Intact :lol:

Who’s pulling strings of Chinese company?

ISLAMABAD: A genuine inquiry originating from Beijing, involving alleged corruption of US$17 million (around Rs1.8 billion) and naming the Punjab chief minister, has an interesting twist about Pakistan. A local probe shows the story is fake but there is someone leaking distorted “information” to the media to target the younger Sharif.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 31 Aug 2017 22:32

Here’s a list of banned outfits prohibited to collect hides during Eidul Azha :roll:

ISLAMABAD – The ministry of interior Thursday imposed a ban on the collection of hides of sacrificial animals by 65 proscribed organizations on the eve of Eidul Azha.
The list of proscribed outfits includes Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan, Lashkar-i-Tayyaba Pakistan, Balochistan National Liberation Army and Rabita Trust is as under.

IMO, the implementation of this is going to be difficult . To circumvent the ban, these so -called proscribed outfits can come up with a different name to fool the "pious" !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby ramana » 01 Sep 2017 00:21

The Dokh La standoff outcome/aftermath will cause TSP more misery.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby ramana » 01 Sep 2017 00:22

I think India should declare Musharraf as an accused in the Captain Saurabh Kaila and his six men killing in Kargil.
And issue Interpol red corner notice.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 01 Sep 2017 01:26

The Flying Frontier Corps is ready for inspections.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby milano » 01 Sep 2017 01:56

^^^^^
Hahaha. Isn't yogic levitation haraam?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby milano » 01 Sep 2017 01:59

I really don't understand ISPRs propensity for action shots of jumping, levitation and doing the Riverdance.

Remember this blast from the past?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby ramana » 01 Sep 2017 06:33

Except Pakis everyone knows. Besides Iran called IN and told them that Pal supplied these centrifuges.


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