Terroristan - June 20, 2017

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby manjgu » 26 Aug 2017 10:00

but there are serious downsides to option 1 ..whatever hole Pakis are in today is because of doing option 1 in the past. The reason they have not gone after HN and Taliban is that if they turn agaist napakis, the whole country could be aflame.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 26 Aug 2017 10:17

CRS, Option 1 may be preferred by India, I mean the part regarding Indian boots in Afghanistan.

As for 2, that is not an option. India has to proceed with the assumption that it is a given. Pakistan will certainly demand that and the US may willy-nilly accede.

It is also my belief that Kashmir is not de-hyphenated from Af-Pak by the Trump administration. It is an institutional memory in Washington that Kashmir is the root cause of all problems in South Asia and that issues would magically resolve themselves if the Valley of Kashmir is given away to Pakistan.

That is my reason to be completely sceptical when I find people euphoric after the latest policy announcement by the PotUS.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby schinnas » 26 Aug 2017 11:19

SS-ji,
Trump and his inner core of supporters are different in their viewpoint on Pakistan. Unlike previous US leaders and state dept who think of the issue as transactional which gives rise to naivete such as giving Kashmir valley to Pakistan will result in lasting peace in Indian sub continent, Trump and his advisors are well aware of ideological leanings of Pakistan and dangers of molly coddling to dangerous form of political islam represented by Pakistan.

Afghan and Balochistan together provides the best strategic location for a military and naval base for US for the long term. They can check ate China, Russia and Iran in one go.


If only we had PoK with land border with Afghanistan, it would have been an entirely different story. India's bargain in his whole equation should be to get PoK and GB back. It is more important to us than Balochistan.

I do fully expect US to accelerate support for independent Balochistan, once they find out other supply routes for their base in Afghanistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby pankajs » 26 Aug 2017 12:06

I am with SS saar on this.

1. A large part of DC circuit has bought into the idea that kasmhir is integral to an AfPak solution. While that lobby has been sidelined temporarily it is still waiting in the wings to bounce back should Trumps latest initiative stumble. They might not be as vocal as they once where but they are there.
2. The Iraq situation has spooked almost all DC circuit fellows. Anything that seems to lead a breakup of Bakistan/BakMil will not be pushed, at least not too far, especially with Nuclear weapons in the play. Iraq debacle and its descend into lawlessness/chaos is always front and center in the policy making circles. No one wants a repeat especially with Nuclear weapons in play.
3. Trump is a man of uncertain temperament and prone to flattery. Both yuge flaws when it comes to policy or direction. Add to that Trump likes to make deals.
4. Trump is transactional and an isolationist. Again, both trait are conducive to deal making but not long-term commitment. Taking Bakis head on would mean long-term commitment and expenditure of a lot of resources. The easy way is to cut a deal for some concessions.

Not even the hawks will push a policy that leads to the disintegration of bakistan and/or bakmil because of the threat of nukes. The bakis can offer some concessions on the Af front to satisfy the dealmaker in Trump and then they will be back in business.

I see the latest broadside as the US laying down its initial bargaining position at best. Both parties will invariably end up with a deal though though the bakis will perhaps end making more concession than before. This is the base case. Anything beyond is a bonus.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 26 Aug 2017 13:08

schinnas wrote:Trump and his inner core of supporters are different in their viewpoint on Pakistan. Unlike previous US leaders and state dept who think of the issue as transactional which gives rise to naivete such as giving Kashmir valley to Pakistan will result in lasting peace in Indian sub continent, Trump and his advisors are well aware of ideological leanings of Pakistan and dangers of molly coddling to dangerous form of political islam represented by Pakistan.

schinnas-ji, countries do not normally change their policies drastically (I am not speaking of minor course corrections) just because of a change of a President or Prime Minister. I do not wish to enumerate the hundreds of times Pakistan has double-crossed the US and yet Pakistan has been treated softly by all the US administrations. Obama's brave words too about Pakistan, before his first election still ring loud & clear.

The US has embraced Islamism blatantly from the days of Hassan al-Banna of the Muslim Brotherhood. Wahhabis were the closest friends of a variety of US Presidents. Jihad and its fall-out (so long as it didn't singe the US) were very acceptable. Fiery textbooks to corrupt even kids with the idea of jihad were printed in the US to be distributed in Af-Pak. Repeatedly, Religious Freedom discourse by the US Congress certified there was religious freedom in Saudi Arabia. Clinton & Ms. Robin Raphel tried to strike deals with the Taliban. As recently as two years back, the US was supporting the most violent of them all so far, the Islamic State.

There is probably a method in the US madness. It may be that the US thought that short-term goals were far more important and that long-term backlashes can be taken care of by its superior military, intelligence, bribes, blandishments, as well as economic and political clout.

It has adopted the same policies in Pakistan since President Truman's days.

So, I do not, therefore see a diametric turn-around in US policies and unless there is such a turnaround, it does not matter to us.

We have to have a policy of punishing Pakistan disproportionately for every infringement without worrying about US ad-hominem. We have to squeeze Pakistan at every opportunity even if there is no infringement.
I do fully expect US to accelerate support for independent Balochistan, once they find out other supply routes for their base in Afghanistan.

schinnas-ji, if they have not found a reliable and convenient alternate route for 15 years, how are they going to do now, especially after spoiling for a fight with Iran now?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby abhijitm » 26 Aug 2017 14:13

anupmisra wrote:Image

2016 GDP = $283.66 Bn (not sure how their economy grew by 20% from 2010 to 2011) - lest assume this to be acceptable.

gdp almost doubled in 10 years!! pakistan is bankrupt or almost bankrupt since glory days of mushy and ttp used to bum then at will till 2010. Now we are supposed to believe they have some magic economy which grew double!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby CRamS » 26 Aug 2017 14:24

SSJi,

Of course, India will not accept any demand to put boots on the ground, at least not just yet. But what I meant was that TSP will demand that India's role be so restricted to giving, giving, and giving; so much so that they and their Talibunnies will benefit. No help to Afghan military/police, no strategic involvement etc. Thats what TSP will demand in return for going after what Trump considers as "bad guys". Now, TSP ISI knows how to calibrate this without actually compromising too much. Of course, they will double cross their pigLeT assets if they have to. And Trump being the white nationalist hard core business man that he is, will accept such a quid pro quo. As for #2, Trump could care 2 hoots, and scum bags like Robin Raphael, John Bolton etc will script the same old hackneyed policy, "we will mediate over Kashmir" to which India will say kiss my arse. But TSP will be fine with that as long as they can continue to harass India in Kashmir. Even they know India will not accept US role, but their game plan is to make life hell for India and force it to the negotiating table.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 26 Aug 2017 16:06

abhijitm wrote:
anupmisra wrote:2016 GDP = $283.66 Bn (not sure how their economy grew by 20% from 2010 to 2011) - lest assume this to be acceptable.

gdp almost doubled in 10 years!! pakistan is bankrupt or almost bankrupt since glory days of mushy and ttp used to bum then at will till 2010. Now we are supposed to believe they have some magic economy which grew double!

We do remember several occasions when the IMF & WB pulled up Pakistan for grossly and deliberately misreporting economic figures, don't we? I remember an instance when the IMF chief refused to meet the Pakistani delegation because of this.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 26 Aug 2017 16:14

CRamS wrote: . . .No help to Afghan military/police, no strategic involvement etc.

CRS ji, Afghan military is already being trained by India, including at the OTS here in Chennai. We have supplied hardware to them including Mi-25 attack helicopters that have immensely helped ANA's actions. Afghanistan demanded more, but we have not taken a decision on that list, AFAIK

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby pankajs » 26 Aug 2017 16:20

Over reporting GDP and under reporting population also allows the GDP per capita to be higher than it otherwise would be and show higher up in the tables than they really are. One steps to protect the H&D.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby pankajs » 26 Aug 2017 16:28

I googled for "gdp per capita list pakistan" and what does Google do? How can they fall behind Bangladesh? That would be the ultimate loss of H&D.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby schinnas » 26 Aug 2017 16:55

SSridhar wrote:schinnas-ji, countries do not normally change their policies drastically (I am not speaking of minor course corrections) just because of a change of a President or Prime Minister.

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The US has embraced Islamism blatantly from the days of Hassan al-Banna of the Muslim Brotherhood. Wahhabis were the closest friends of a variety of US Presidents. Jihad and its fall-out (so long as it didn't singe the US) were very acceptable.

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There is probably a method in the US madness. It may be that the US thought that short-term goals were far more important and that long-term backlashes can be taken care of by its superior military, intelligence, bribes, blandishments, as well as economic and political clout.

It has adopted the same policies in Pakistan since President Truman's days.

So, I do not, therefore see a diametric turn-around in US policies and unless there is such a turnaround, it does not matter to us.


Sir, my theory (and hope) is that there has been a slow, gradual change in evolution of US views on Pakistan and India over the past several years and the change is over the inflection point now.

For one, while past US Presidents until probably Clinton didn't see much harm in creating a 'few excited muslims' (were they Reagan's words?) in pursuit of their tactical objectives, Trump and his ideological far right camp seem to strongly believe in the theory of clash of civilizations and are convinced that West with US-Israel as it's spearhead are in a long term war with political Islam. Most US right wing talk show folks are frothing at their mouth about this ideological war.

While Iran seem to take up more of their talk time thanks to Israel and Saudi lobbies, there is increasing realization that Pakistan is the key longer term threat thanks to its islamic bums, support for terrorism and military capabilities that are propped up by China. Pukistan is now widely regarded as a betrayer of US interests and an enemy under the guise of being an ally.

My very subjective reading of pulse of right wing opinion makers indicate that US will not let Pakistan off the hook this time around. There are quite a few "patriots" who have lost a kin in Afghanistan and they rightly blame Pakistan's double game.

On the other side, outside of H1B and immigration issue, far right ideological lobby and neo-cons both think of India as the counter weight to China in their aim to prolong US supremacy from the emerging Chinese assault. The strong stance of India in Doklam episode should have buttressed this assessment.

Both these factors together will ensure that past experience may not be predictors of future outcome now with respect to Af-Pak-India.

We have to have a policy of punishing Pakistan disproportionately for every infringement without worrying about US ad-hominem. We have to squeeze Pakistan at every opportunity even if there is no infringement.


Golden words! All indications so far are that MAD is following the same policy. They are continuing to utilize every opportunity to isolate and expose Pakistan and militarily punishing Pakistan for its every infringement.

SSridhar wrote: if they have not found a reliable and convenient alternate route for 15 years, how are they going to do now?


The very fact that US is able to enunciate a strong policy on Pakistan seem to indicate either one of two possibilities.

1. It is Trump's bluster with a calculation that Pakistan can be made to behave by subjecting them to threats

2. There is more than that meets the eye with back channel diplomacy between Iran-US brokered by India. In such an arrangement, India might be providing logistics through Chabhahar to Afghan for all general logistics (food, water, fuel, construction materials, medicines, clothing, non combat vehicles, etc) with weapons being air lifted and/or sent through Pakistan. I see the recent news that Chabhahar might be open for operations in early 2018.

If (2) is a reality, it fundamentally changes the game and removes the single biggest lever Pakistan has over Afghanistan and US. I for one will keep a watch for any news or leaks or chaiwala comments to this effect.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 26 Aug 2017 18:38

pankajs wrote:I googled for "gdp per capita list pakistan" and what does Google do? How can they fall behind Bangladesh? That would be the ultimate loss of H&D.


This per capita gdp analysis by WB was based on inaccurate number of momeens.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby abhijitm » 26 Aug 2017 18:42

1 Indian Rupee is 1.65 PK Rupee.
1 Indian Rupee is 1.3 bangladeshi taka.

As per "official record" GDP per capita between pak and BD is not significantly different. ($1468 vs $1358)

In average (not too posh or fancy) biryani joint in Mumbai you get 1 chicken biryani for Rs 200.
Similar biryani in Lahore costs 200 PKR. Around 60% cheaper in pakistan. Makes no sense. Should be costing at least 300 PKR.
Similar biryani in Dhaka costs 270-280 Taka. Matches the exchange rate.

Pakistani living standard is rot. They don't have money to pay and hence things are dirt cheap in pakistan. They are faking both GDP and population.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 26 Aug 2017 18:54

Irfan Hussein's latest OpEd.
Walking a tightrope

The reality is that as long as we cannot seal off our border with Afghanistan completely, insurgents there of every stripe will continue to cross over to recuperate and rearm.
Basically, it becomes next to impossible to defeat even a much weaker foe if there’s a neighbour willing to provide sanctuary. For years, we were accused of doing just that, for instance, providing housing and security to the ‘Quetta Shura’ in the Balochistan capital, despite official denials.
The worst nightmare for our military planners is a nexus between India and Afghanistan that would encircle us. Thus, the security establishment feels it needs proxies to keep the pro-Indian Afghan government off-balance.
Washington does not see India as a threat to Pakistan; on the contrary, it sees Pakistan as the aggressor in the region, sending jihadis into India-held Kashmir and India to commit acts of terrorism, and shielding people like Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed. The truth is that Pakistan stands isolated, with only China and Russia bailing us out diplomatically.
In Washington, politicians and pundits lambast us regularly for the double game we are perceived as playing. In the eyes of the public there, once we accepted billions of dollars from Washington, we agreed to help their country, and not their enemies.
Although Trump’s invitation to India to help in Afghanistan will be a red flag to our generals, they now need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Despite brave words about sovereignty, we still have a begging bowl in our hands.


Still not sure who the author bats for. He says "once we accepted billions of dollars from Washington, we agreed to help their country" - that's right. Not really. IT was the other way around. Mushy accepted the terms and in return got aid. That's what a transaction-based marriage of convenience is all about. Now that the chinis have "promised to drop a $100 Billion" in the paki kashkol, wait till the chinis demand their pound of flesh as pay back.

SeePak will, after all, solve everything.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1353884/walking-a-tightrope

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 26 Aug 2017 20:04

Indonesia Eases Visa Restrictions On Pakis !

Indonesia removes Pakistan from Calling Visa Country list

ISLAMABAD: Indonesian government has announced removal of Pakistan from their Calling Visa Country List after concerted efforts of Pakistani leadership and the Embassy of Pakistan in Jakarta.
Pakistan had been on this restrictive list for almost 13 years, Pakistan
Embassy in Jakarta said here Friday. Coordinating Minister of Indonesia to Political, legal and Security. Affairs, General (R) Wiranto announced the news in media after attending the meeting convened in this regard by Vice President of Indonesia, Jusuf Kalla. The official Decree for the implementation of this arrangement was expected to be issued in coming weeks. As per new regulations, the Indonesian Missions in Pakistan and other countries would be authorized to issue visas to Pakistani nationals without referring the application to immigration authorities in Jakarta. IMO, the celebration in Isloo is a bit premature , considering that a formal announcement is yet to be made. Pakis with their "special green passport" are shunned like leprosy patients in Ummah nations such as Qatar, Kuwait , Saudia and Iran ! :mrgreen:
The decision to this effect was made by the Indonesian government in view of growing trade relations and interest of Pakistani travelers in Indonesian tourist destinations. Economic migrants posing as "tourists" . :mrgreen: The visa processing after issuance of Decree will be easier and quicker. After the implementation of new visa policy, Pakistanis around the globe,especially residing in the South East Asia region will be able to obtain Indonesian visa with ease.
The relaxed visa policy will not only result in expansion of bilateral and economic relations between the two countries but would also increase people to people contacts, ( with the added problem of Islamic indoctrination !)Pakistan embassy in Jakarta concluded.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 26 Aug 2017 20:11

In Keeping With Pakistaniyat, another Scam Unearthed :mrgreen:

Rs 40 billion embezzlement revealed in National Bank, GPO pensions

An embezzlement of more than Rs 40 billion has been revealed in pension payment process of National Bank and General Post Office (GPO).
According to special report of Auditor General of Pakistan (AGP), irregularity of Rs35 billion was surfaced during payments of pensions at National Bank whereas a corruption of Rs5 billion was also exposed in GPO. It was disclosed that Rs65 crore was embezzled while Rs25 crore was additionally paid.
Dual payments of Rs25 crore were done on one identity card while GPO Peshawar also paid Rs93 lac in the name of deceased people. Hope that Ganja Sharif and his minions are not involved in this major scam to "drink deep at the public trough" :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 26 Aug 2017 20:17

" PR -Giri." Planned To Repair Damage To Paki Image.

Pakistan to convene international conference to highlight it’s contributions in war against terrorism. :roll:

KARACHI:

Pakistan has decided to approach United Nations and other international Forums to muster support against the Donald Trump threats to Pakistan.
Pakistan Foreign Minister will be visiting China, Russia and Iran in the backdrop of this development and would highlight Pakistan's contributions in the war against terrorism. After strong criticism from US President Donald Trump, Pakistan has decided to convene an international conference to put the global spotlight on its significant contributions towards the war against terrorism.
Apart from the usual suspects like China, Turkee and other Ummah supporters , will there be any serious takers for this propagandu meet !
The government would soon hold consultations before announcing the schedule of the conference, source said, adding that all important countries would be invited to the moot where Islamabad would reaffirm its commitment to terror fight and recount the colossal losses it has suffered thus far.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 26 Aug 2017 20:26

Pakistan Advertising For A "New Suitor" Following POTUS Threat

Foreign Office hints at new emerging Partnerships for Pakistan

Of course, "everything" is being couched in diplomatic virbiage instead of being "advertised" in the classified columns of daily newspapers :twisted:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Gagan » 26 Aug 2017 20:28

Rejoice Rejoice!
Indonesia has taken Pakistan off the Visa Required prior to arrival
- Massive victory for Pakistan!

Unless:
1. Indonesians are too scared to open an embassy in Isloo to issue visas
2. The whole news item is fake, and a denial will be issued very soon. This will then add to a long list of claims & denials by the Pakis

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby SSridhar » 26 Aug 2017 20:56

Or, Indonesia has a death-wish.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Amber G. » 26 Aug 2017 21:10

Gagan wrote:Rejoice Rejoice!
Indonesia has taken Pakistan off the Visa Required prior to arrival
- Massive victory for Pakistan!

Unless:
1. Indonesians are too scared to open an embassy in Isloo to issue visas
2. The whole news item is fake, and a denial will be issued very soon. This will then add to a long list of claims & denials by the Pakis


I just read the part -
[sources say that it is rumored that in coming few years when they change the rules ...] As per new regulations, the Indonesian Missions in Pakistan and other countries would be authorized to issue visas to Pakistani nationals without referring the application to immigration authorities in Jakarta. :rotfl:

(Missions are generally authorized to issue Visa..unless you are a Paki...)

For contrast, I have travelled to Indonesia - NO prior visa (or even Visa on Arrival needed) on a US passport. Same story, I think for an Indian passport (In old days Visa could be issued on arrival, but now no Visa is needed) or virtually any other passport.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Gagan » 26 Aug 2017 21:18

So, basically the Pakis are rejoicing the fact, that they are not subjected to a Cavity search at the time of Visa Application in Pindi

Wow ! That is some achievement hain ji !!!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby saip » 26 Aug 2017 21:44

In case of India and Bangladesh when they calculate per Capita GDP they use correct population figures. Pakistan has been using fake figures of population as they did not/could not count the pigs for over 20 years. So they till recently used 180/190 mill as the population so that it is competitive with India. Using 210 mil as the pop we now arrive at $1347 as the per capita which is lower than Bangladesh's. H&D down the drain.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Gagan » 26 Aug 2017 21:56

They have multiple reasons to lie, apart from the fact that they are instinctive liars onlee

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 27 Aug 2017 00:01

abhijitm wrote:1 Indian Rupee is 1.65 PK Rupee.
1 Indian Rupee is 1.3 bangladeshi taka.

As per "official record" GDP per capita between pak and BD is not significantly different. ($1468 vs $1358)...They are faking both GDP and population.


$1468 is based on a lower population count. The real per capita GDP for bak-bak-bakistan (at the end of 206) is $1350.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 27 Aug 2017 00:03

Gagan wrote:They have multiple reasons to lie, apart from the fact that they are instinctive liars onlee


Makes the pakis look attractive to the potential investors, a higher quality travel destination, an ever improving society/nation, and lastly the comparison with India makes them come out at par to India than not.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby anupmisra » 27 Aug 2017 00:18

Falijee wrote:Indonesia Eases Visa Restrictions On Pakis !

Indonesia removes Pakistan from Calling Visa Country list

...After the implementation of new visa policy, Pakistanis around the globe,especially residing in the South East Asia region will be able to obtain Indonesian visa with ease.


Not so fast, mard-e-momeens!! Before you start packing your bags and hire that careem taxi to head off to the nearest international airport. "Calling Visa Country" just means that the destination nation (in this case Indonesia) does not have to refer each case to the home office in the parent country. This change in Indonesian policy does not mean that the pakis will get automatic tourist visas. They still have to apply and the decisions (to grant business visas) will now be taken at the embassy level. This only reduces the turnaround time for business visas.

That's why, please note that the prime beneficiaries will be paki businessmen residing in SE Asia. Remember this is a Times of Slummabad article. BTW, here's a little more clarity on Indonesia being a Calling Visa Country:

Procedures of visa application for 11 countries. Granting Visa for the countries of Calling Visa must go through the Forum of Meeting by Clearing House, which is held every Tuesday each week. Countries affected: Afghanistan, Liberia, Guinea, Niger, Israel, Nigeria, Iraq, Pakistan, North Korea, Somalia, and Cameroon. Israel, I can understand. The rest in the list are august company, certainly!

http://www.indonesiaimmigration.com/ind ... 0000000341

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby sudeepj » 27 Aug 2017 01:07

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1488579/pa ... rts-claim/

He estimates CAD to be around $16-16.5 billion during fiscal year 2017-18 with another $7-7.5 billion needed for debt servicing, taking the total amount of foreign exchange required to $24 billion in FY18.

On the contrary, he estimates Pakistan’s receivables to amount to $12.5 billion from several sources including the World Bank, Islamic Development Bank, Asian Development Bank, AIIB, bilateral grants, Chinese financing and Foreign Direct Investments, he said. “The finance minister should be asked how and who will fill the financing gap while reserves are drying up,” he remarked.
He deplored that the current government’s preoccupation with politicking will leave Pakistan with no other option than to go to the IMF.


Day of reckoning fast approaching. IIRC, India recently got its voting rights in the IMF enhanced. Perhaps we will put them to good use. The default US position should be, you want aid? convince India to vote for you.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 27 Aug 2017 01:21

Rotten Eggs "Chemicalized And Downloaded" To Unsuspecting "Abduls" As Baking Ingredient !

Factory preparing food ingredients from rotten eggs sealed

SUNDAR: The Punjab Food Authority on Saturday raided a food processing factory using rotten eggs in Sundar. The authorities confiscated seven hundred thousand rotten eggs and eight thousand kilogrammes of sub standard powder prepared from rotten eggs."The confiscated raw material was in such huge quantities that we had to request the Solid Waste Management to assist us in disposing it of," said DG PFA Noor Ul Amin Mengal.
The powder was being supplied to popular bakeries, the authorities told Geo News."The factory was illegally using the Punjab Food Authority logo," a PFA spokesperson said, adding that legal action will be taken against the factory.Authorities said they will trace the bakeries that were buying from the factory and take action against them. IMO, something does not seem right in this "rotten eggs" raid. Under normal circumstances, the Food Inspector and the Factory Management would shake hands, a "few notes" would be exchanged, and everything would be "normal". Unless the Food Inspector's "Rate For Approval " has increased dramatically and the Factory Management refuses to budge and /or unable to draw on "higher sifarish". :mrgreen:

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Peregrine » 27 Aug 2017 01:51

abhijitm wrote:1 Indian Rupee is 1.65 PK Rupee.
1 Indian Rupee is 1.3 bangladeshi taka.

As per "official record" GDP per capita between pak and BD is not significantly different. ($1468 vs $1358)

In average (not too posh or fancy) biryani joint in Mumbai you get 1 chicken biryani for Rs 200.
Similar biryani in Lahore costs 200 PKR. Around 60% cheaper in pakistan. Makes no sense. Should be costing at least 300 PKR.
Similar biryani in Dhaka costs 270-280 Taka. Matches the exchange rate.

Pakistani living standard is rot. They don't have money to pay and hence things are dirt cheap in pakistan. They are faking both GDP and population.
abhijitm Ji :

It is difficult to judge prices as we are not aware of the quality.

A good Judge is the Economist – Big Mac Index

India Price: $2.76 (Rupee 178.00), Clapistan Price : Price: $3.57 (Rupee 375.00)

From the above in respect of "Like for Like" the Clapistani Prices are in US Dollars about about 35% higher in Clapistan!

As such things, seemingly are not "Dirt Cheap in Clapistan".
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby KLNMurthy » 27 Aug 2017 02:26

Falijee wrote:The Farce Of "Paki Justice" Surfaces Again !

FIA summons PIA ex-CEO Hildenbrand

Then, in a surprise move, the ex-CEO was given one-time permission to fly home for thirty days after which he was supposed to come back to Pakistan on June 10, 2017. But he did not return to face corruption charges. :lol:


Just like the "attempt" to "reopen" the Raymond Davis case that is floated by the new FO !


So pakis hired some german crook as the CEO of their national airline, who then proceeded to rob them blind and ran off to Germany? AoA.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby KLNMurthy » 27 Aug 2017 02:32

Falijee wrote:Robin Raphael Enlisted As A Back channel Contact To Resolve - Paki-US Rift .

Pakistan, US in backchannel contact to resolve rift

WASHINGTON: While diplomacy between Pakistan and the United States is struggling, especially after President Trump’s highly critical speech, the two countries have established backchannel contacts to resolve their differences over key issues. Earlier this month a group of former diplomats, military officials and security experts from the two countries held their third off-the-record meeting in Washington to discuss thorny issues including Pakistan's support for Afghan peace, increasing US ties with Pakistan's arch-rival India, New Delhi's role in Afghanistan and Islamabad's drift toward Beijing after initiation of China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).
alking to The News after attending the talks, former Pakistan ambassador to the United States Jalil Abbas Jilani said the two sides are having frank discussion on issues and will prepare recommendations for the government for future of ties. He said the informal interaction aims at bringing private individuals and groups from the two countries to promote better understanding of issues and suggest solutions.Pakistan ambassador to the US, Aizaz Chaudhry welcomed the interaction. “Track II is not a substitute for official contacts but officials can benefit from the ideas generated,” he said.
Representatives from Pakistani side also included former head of Military Intelligence Lt Gen (R) Ishfaq Nadeem Ahmad and former ambassador to Afghanistan Muhammad Sadiq while US side included former US assistant secretary of state Richard Boucher, former ambassador Robin Raphel and security experts Dr Tricia Bacon and David Smith. Indian Govt Officials should take due note of Robin Raphel's inclusion in this list !


The same Robin Raphel, a pal of Hillary IIRC, who got chucked out of the SD for being a traitor and barely escaped going to prison.

I am sure that she is charging pakis a nice consulting fee to fix everything. Nice retirement package for her.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby saip » 27 Aug 2017 03:13

anupmisra wrote:
abhijitm wrote:1 Indian Rupee is 1.65 PK Rupee.
1 Indian Rupee is 1.3 bangladeshi taka.

As per "official record" GDP per capita between pak and BD is not significantly different. ($1468 vs $1358)...They are faking both GDP and population.


$1468 is based on a lower population count. The real per capita GDP for bak-bak-bakistan (at the end of 206) is $1350.


Also they calculate GDP using PK rupee to dollar value which is artificially kept high (like 105 to dollar). Its true value is probably 10% lower (probably 115 to the dollar) which means the per capita GDP is around $1200.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Prem » 27 Aug 2017 03:41

Paki have paki rule. They fudge both Pakulation and GDP numbers by 15 %. Their Pokulation some where between 240-260 Million and GDP around 250-270 Billion $.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby RCase » 27 Aug 2017 04:27

How come the GDP clocked a huge growth in 2011 (from $177.41 B to $213.6 B - 20%)?
Folks, did I miss out the news that the world went through binge buying of Pakistani towels and bedsheets?
The other suspect growth is 2015 (from $244 B to $271 B - 11%).
These would have made the headlines of the fastest growing economy of the world (higher than even the tarrel than Himalayas fliend's growth rate!). If they had been having such fantastic growth rates, why were there IMF bailouts?

Misfortunately, all the good news was drowned out with news about terrorism.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Bart S » 27 Aug 2017 04:52

Everybody knows that Pakis fudge figures or try to anyway, but why does the World Bank graph show that stuff? Surely they don't buy that BS?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Gagan » 27 Aug 2017 05:22

Qadiani COAS of Pakistan in Tajikistan.
Obviously worried about the IAF base there.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Falijee » 27 Aug 2017 06:08

Confirmation That Ganja And Family Uses National Airline (PIA) As "Personal Taxi" :mrgreen:

PIA suffers mammoth losses over booking for Nawaz Sharif

LAHORE (Dunya News)- It has been learnt that at least 10 seats of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) are reserved on daily basis for ousted Nawaz Sharif and his daughter Maryam Nawaz on orders from high-level government’s officials. Nawaz Sharif and his daughter Maryam Nawaz are expected to depart for London where Nawaz’s better half Kalsoom Nawaz is tackling Lymphoma and receiving treatment. So, in spite of being ousted as PM, his minions and chamchas still treat him as "Godfather Of Pakiland" :shock:
Furthermore, three private airlines also reserved seats for four consecutive days for aforementioned members of Sharif family but later booking was cancelled over heavy amount of losses incurred.
Earlier, Maryam Nawaz has denied reports of Kulsoom Nawaz, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz’s (PML-N) candidate for NA-120 by-polls, been diagnosed with blood cancer and said that she was suffering of an early stage of Lymphoma which is a cancer of lymph nodes. So, "abuse of power" inspite of being out of office continues unabated ! Empathy for the cancer suffering Ex First Lady Of Pakiland ( Kulsoom) is one thing, but saddling the financial strapped Paki Airline with additional losses by a many-times over multi-millionaire Ex PM is downright unethical and shameful :twisted:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - June 20, 2017

Postby Gagan » 27 Aug 2017 06:15

Geelani, the previous PM, Zardari, the previous president also used the PIA as their personal taxi.

Zardari, used to take 70-80 odd people to KSA for Haj along with him
Geelani and his infamous shopping trips in London are legend.


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