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A 4* relative used to pride himself with veterans about how much the IN's food had improved .Another relative who earlier served on the Vikrant used to tell me about how good the grub was in his time.My first memorable meal aboard an IN vessel was the old INS Investigator,the survey vessel when I was yet to cross double figures.The skipper was another rel. later flag rank.
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Rakesh wrote:Interior of the Scorpene Class boat in the Indian Navy...

https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 33155?s=20 --->
I believe same picture as link above, but in colour and wider angle.

https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 16005?s=20 --->

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https://twitter.com/amanroutray7/status ... 49249?s=20 ---> Tender out for "Detailed design of P75 platform compliant DRDO AIP energy module with electrical system, extension of enclosure shelter." Indigenous AIP on Kalvari Class Submarines soon.
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A news report says that our missile tracking vessel built in stealth
at HSL,VC 11184, has been quietly commissioned. Costing 725cr.,15,000t, it's a signal achievement asonly 4 other nations possess such nuclear missile tracking vessels. It will allow us to test missiles at far greater ranges than before and also provide an EW system too. A joint crew of the NTRO,DRDO and IN will operate it.
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INS Dhruv that can track satellites, strategic missiles, to join navy soon
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 01327.html
16 March 2021
The 15,000-tonne ship, part of a classified project, will not only create maritime domain awareness for India in the Indian Ocean but also act as an early warning system for adversary missiles headed towards Indian cities and military establishments. “Final checks are going on the vessel at Vizag before the commissioning, which is expected in the first half of 2021 but neither the date nor the month is decided,” said a senior official familiar with the strategic project.

INS Dhruv has been developed with the help of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Indian Navy with India’s Strategic Force Command and National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) as main intelligence consumers. The indigenously-developed surveillance ship has been built by Hindustan Shipyard Ltd at its Visakhapatnam facility under the Atma Nirbhar Bharat Abhiyan initiative.
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INS Dhruv is equipped with the active electronically scanned array radars, or AESA, considered a game-changer in radar technology, and can scan various spectrums to monitor satellites of adversaries that are watching over India. It can also, as one official in South Block put it, understand the range and true missile capability of adversary nations that it finds in the Indo-Pacific.
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Like the build almost similar to frenchie stuff, this will help us MIRV and ABM programs a lot. Sam No Varunah INS Dhruv

https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 4813667329
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INS Dhruv, VC11184 diagram
Fron wiki: INS Dhruv
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Is that a Dhruv on Dhruv?

I think they should have gone with a different name but of course nobody asked me :-)
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India’s GRSE Lays Keel Of Its Third Project 17A Frigate
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... gate/?s=09
15 March 2021
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Gagan wrote:INS Dhruv, VC11184 diagram
Fron wiki: INS Dhruv
Total 3 of this type to be made.
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Rakesh wrote:India’s GRSE Lays Keel Of Its Third Project 17A Frigate
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... gate/?s=09
15 March 2021
This in addition to the 4 keel Laid down Mazagon Dock, so by August 2025, we can expect all 7 of this class to be commissioned.

Am I right in assuming these are are CODAG- combined Diesel and Gas as opposed many P17 which are CODOG. Diesel or GAS
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No they will likely be CODOG, as CODAG is a more complex arrangement and most likely keep it simpler and similar to proven P-17s.
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looks like a ship mounted version of Sea-Based X-Band Radar
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Gagan wrote:INS Dhruv, VC11184 diagram
Fron wiki: INS Dhruv
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India quietly commissioned its secretive nuclear missile tracking vessel VC 11184 last October.

The indigenous specialized surveillance ship u/c since June 2014 puts India in a league of 4 nations with a capability to monitor long distance missile launches.

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As many websites the P17A frigates are CODAG as opposed to CODOG.

https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... 20engines.
The Project 17A frigate will be powered by combined diesel and gas (CODAG) type propulsion system including two LM2500 marine gas turbines and two MAN 12V28/33D STC four-stroke diesel engines.
https://www.jagranjosh.com/current-affa ... 08098876-1
The ships, measuring 149 meters in length, will have a capacity of 6,670 tonnes. They will be propelled by two diesel and two gas turbine powerplants in a CODAG configuration. The frigates will be able to achieve a speed of over 28 knots.
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Gagan wrote:INS Dhruv, VC11184 diagram
Fron wiki: INS Dhruv
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The massive shield ahead of the aft radar - is it to protect crew from radiation?
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Aditya_V wrote:As many websites the P17A frigates are CODAG as opposed to CODOG.
Naval technology is just copying wiki which originally had mistakenly stated as CODAG and other sites have done the same.

MDL promo material clearly states CODOG

https://www.flickr.com/photos/delhidefe ... 885990420/
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Ok thanks for the info.
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Indian Navy Commissions GRSE Made LCU L-58.

IN LCU L-58, the 8th and the last ship under Project LCU Mark IV, delivered by the shipyard on 31Dec 2020 was commissioned today at Port Blair in the august presence of Lieutenant General Manoj Pande, AVSM, VSM. (CINCAN – Commander-in-Chief Andaman & Nicobar Command). The ceremony was attended by Rear Admiral VK Saxena, IN (Retd), Chairman & Managing Director, GRSE and other senior officials of the Indian Navy and GRSE.

Over the last 60 years, GRSE has delivered 788 platforms which include 107 warships, of which 70 were for the Indian Navy, 35 for the Indian Coast Guard, 01 for the Government of Mauritius and 01 for Seychelles Coast Guard which is the highest number of warships built & delivered by any shipyard in the country. The yeoman service rendered by the shipyard to enhance the maritime security of our nation is evident from the fact that the maximum number of ships protecting our maritime interests are built by GRSE.

The entire design of the 08 Landing Craft Utility (LCU) Mark IV ships has been developed in-house by GRSE as per requirements specified by Indian Navy including a speed of 15 knots. LCU MK-IV is an amphibious ship with its primary role being transportation and deployment of Main Battle Tanks, Armored Vehicles, troops and equipment from ship to shore. The ships are equipped with Bow Ramps to enable loading/unloading of combat equipment and vehicles upon beaching.

These are biggest & fastest Landing Craft Utility vessels worldwide in its category. The shipyard has once again achieved the distinction of over 90% indigenous equipment fit on these ships. These ships based at the Andaman and Nicobar Command, can be deployed for multirole activities like beaching operations, search and rescue, disaster relief operations, supply and replenishment and evacuation from distant islands. The LCU is 63 m in length and 11 m wide and has a displacement of 830 T with a low draught of 1.7 m. The LCU is designed to accommodate 216 personnel and is equipped with two Indigenous CRN 91 Guns to provide artillery fire support during landing operations. The ship is fitted with state-of-the-art equipment and advanced systems like Integrated Bridge System (IBS) and Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS).

Since its takeover by the Government of India in 1960, GRSE has delivered high end warships ranging from Fast Patrol Vessels, Survey Vessels, Landing Ship Tanks, Landing Craft Utility, Fleet Tanker to Frigates and Missile/ASW Corvettes. The shipyard has also made significant advancement towards self-reliance in state-of-the-art warship design and construction and furthered ‘Atmanirbhar’ Abhiyaan by achieving over 90% indigenous content onboard ASW Corvettes and Landing Craft Utility ships. Having modernized its infrastructure facilities, today GRSE is in a position to construct 20 warships concurrently using Advanced Modular Integrated Shipbuilding Technology in line with the best in the world.

GRSE is currently handling construction of 16 ships as part of four ongoing projects. Three of these projects are for the Indian Navy and one is for the Republic of Guyana. The three projects of the Indian Navy include construction of 03 Advanced Stealth Frigates under the prestigious project 17 A, the Survey Vessels (Large) & ASW-Shallow Water Crafts.

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IN LCU-L58 Yard 2099 (Picture source: Twitter account of GRSE )
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 12902?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy is seriously thinking of reviving it's heavy-destroyer project (NGD/P-18) to counter the 12,000-tonne Type 055 cruisers being built by China.

Tweet below is in response to the tweet above.

https://twitter.com/daeroplate_v2/statu ... 91968?s=20 ----> Another false lead. PLAN has made Type 55 as carrier escorts or leads of surface action groups to cover amphibious operations. Best response is a2a hypersonics and submarines, not a mirror.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 12902?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy is seriously thinking of reviving it's heavy-destroyer project (NGD/P-18) to counter the 12,000-tonne Type 055 cruisers being built by China.

Tweet below is in response to the tweet above.

https://twitter.com/daeroplate_v2/statu ... 91968?s=20 ----> Another false lead. PLAN has made Type 55 as carrier escorts or leads of surface action groups to cover amphibious operations. Best response is a2a hypersonics and submarines, not a mirror.
thats where the SSNs come ., but sea denial is not enough., a ship with overarching air defence capability would be required to counter a potential PLAN AC group. Thats where the new class comes in., likely with even better radar and SAMs., i might think this class would have capabilities similar to the AEGIS / South Korean Sejong cruiser
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Our problem isn't that our ships are smaller, it is that they're underarmed. We still do not have a UVLS system which can fire both AShM's and SAM's and the total number of cells available on our ships is low. The Brahmos-NG when available can help because it will be more compact and simplify development of the UVLS but is still not on the horizon. Plus we have the age-old and seemingly unsolvable issue of the RBU-6000's taking up a lot of space on our decks which could otherwise be used to add more missiles.

Unless these issues are solved, 12000 t cruisers aren't going to help. We haven't been able to fully utilize the potential of the P-15A's and B's.
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I have asked this before. Why do we need RBU-6000 - is this something to do with IOR waters that a torpedo wont work or is it for cost?
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Rakesh wrote:ttps://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 12902?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy is seriously thinking of reviving it's heavy-destroyer project (NGD/P-18) to counter the 12,000-tonne Type 055 cruisers being built by China.
IMO this is false he is misinterpreting a news article which was referring to P-15 as heavy destroyer not new destroyer class.
V_Raman wrote:I have asked this before. Why do we need RBU-6000 - is this something to do with IOR waters that a torpedo wont work or is it for cost?
Against a diesel submarine that is idle or even moving slowly on batteries you cannot use torpedos due to very low noise signature. You have to depth charges on their last known ping. Also RBU can also be used on incoming torpedos as last ditch defense if decoys have failed.

I believe cost also plays a part in reason ships arent carrying 64 or 96 barak 8, each module costs around 100 mill. The P-17a cost around 1 bill much lower than cost of Type 26 FFG or Hunter class FFG.
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John wrote:
Rakesh wrote:ttps://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 12902?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy is seriously thinking of reviving it's heavy-destroyer project (NGD/P-18) to counter the 12,000-tonne Type 055 cruisers being built by China.
IMO this is false he is misinterpreting a news article which was referring to P-15 as heavy destroyer not new destroyer class.
The tweet below already debunked this claim. Posted that tweet as well.
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Rakesh wrote:The tweet below already debunked this claim. Posted that tweet as well.
I was confused by the other tweet it was debunking it by saying those Chinese DDGs are meant to support amphibious operation. But better explanation would be that he misunderstood a news article.
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can the VLS in the new destroyers - one for barak or brahmos fire the desi version of asroc style VLS launched torpedoes?
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V_Raman wrote:can the VLS in the new destroyers - one for barak or brahmos fire the desi version of asroc style VLS launched torpedoes?
Are you asking if P-15b can fire SMART? No one knows if it’s Brahmos sized it can be fired via L&T VLS launchers but we don’t know.
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V_Raman wrote:I have asked this before. Why do we need RBU-6000 - is this something to do with IOR waters that a torpedo wont work or is it for cost?
The range of RBU's doesn't make it an offensive weapon against submarines as a submarine can comfortably target a ship, with a torpedo, well beyond an RBU range (<= 5nm). I think in today's warfare, it's more like a cheap defensive weapon against torpedoes, mini-subs, underwater drones, etc where you can spray an area with depth charges and destroy an incoming weapon. Something like a hard kill countermeasure, instead of a soft countermeasure like underwater acoustic homing jammers.
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John wrote:
Rakesh wrote:ttps://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 12902?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy is seriously thinking of reviving it's heavy-destroyer project (NGD/P-18) to counter the 12,000-tonne Type 055 cruisers being built by China.
IMO this is false he is misinterpreting a news article which was referring to P-15 as heavy destroyer not new destroyer class.
V_Raman wrote:I have asked this before. Why do we need RBU-6000 - is this something to do with IOR waters that a torpedo wont work or is it for cost?
Against a diesel submarine that is idle or even moving slowly on batteries you cannot use torpedos due to very low noise signature. You have to depth charges on their last known ping. Also RBU can also be used on incoming torpedos as last ditch defense if decoys have failed.

I believe cost also plays a part in reason ships arent carrying 64 or 96 barak 8, each module costs around 100 mill. The P-17a cost around 1 bill much lower than cost of Type 26 FFG or Hunter class FFG.

Not entirely correct, an acoustic homing torpedo can do active pings to detect an enemy or even home into the active pings from the mother ship. What you are saying only applies to a wake homing torpedo. But most wire-guided torpedos can be steered based on the active pings from the mother sub. RBUs are no longer functionally effective against a sub unless you caught the enemy napping and they came within its short range. They are only for hard kill for incoming torpedos and drones.

If you indeed need to do depth charges, then you will rather use a helicopter or an anti-submarine helicopter to take the depth charges to the best possible location and launch them.
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sohamn wrote:Not entirely correct, an acoustic homing torpedo can do active pings to detect an enemy or even home into the active pings from the mother ship.
Are you implying that diesel submarines can be detected by Active sonar very easily even when they are running on batteries or idle?
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John wrote:
sohamn wrote:Not entirely correct, an acoustic homing torpedo can do active pings to detect an enemy or even home into the active pings from the mother ship.
Are you implying that diesel submarines can be detected by Active sonar very easily even when they are running on batteries or idle?
Active sonar does not rely on sound produced by the target's engines or propellers for detection. It works similar to radar only with sound pulses instead of radio waves. So I'm not sure why running on batteries would make a difference.

The problem with Active sonar is you broadcast your own position for all and sundry to see for long distances around when you use it. That is why it has to be used cautiously and cannot be relied upon in most cases.
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nachiket wrote:Active sonar does not rely on sound produced by the target's engines or propellers for detection.
I am aware of Active vs Passive sonar my point with batteries is: a diesel submarine can even move on batteries without the threat of being detected by Active or Passive sonar, the former they can counter with use anechoic tiles of course you get into cat and mouse game with frequencies.

But the claim is that a modern diesel submarines is very hard to detect while you able to identify area which they are operating in, you may not have enough precision to fire a torpedo at it. IMO unmanned submersibles will be game changer and those will reduce the need for depth charges.
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We have a 2 amphib req. cut down from 4 for budgetary reasons.I've been for aeons saying we should leverage out IAC-1 design into a multi-puprpose amphib.,that also has light CV air power too using aircraft and UCAVs. Now the Nevskoye bureau of Ru has done just that with their new concept,the "Varan Universal Sea Complex". Cross-posted in the intl. navies td.,but posted here too for debate.Pl. ck. into the site which has sev. pics.

Home»News»Russia Designs a New Class of Ship: Universal Sea Complex ‘Varan’
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... lex-varan/

If we leverage the design of our 2 amphibs similarly using a modified version of the already existing IAC-1 design,with or without the ski-jump (the Varan plans for EMALS),
we would have 4 flat tops with air capability of a total of 100+ carrier strike aircraft including the Vik-A and Vikrant-2, 4 CVs that could operate at least two to three different hot spots simultaneously. The universal flat tops would not impinge upon the naval budget too as the req. was for 2 35K t amphib vessels,of almost same size. The only extra cost would be the air complement.Existing MIG-29Ks could operate from them (STOVL birds like F-35s too) making operational availability and support very cost-effective,the type used on all flat tops. The Ru design can carry 1600 troops,several LCs in a well deck,assault helos and variety of AVs to support amphib landings.The design is modular with other specialist spin-off designs.This way, with the
accelerated SSN programme,the IN could kill 2 birds with one design,since the 3rd. large 65K t CV is on the shelf.

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By displacement, Varan is similar to US America-class ships. The US Navy currently operates two of them — the America and the Tripoli. Another warship, the Bougainville was laid in March 2019. The warships have a high cost of 3.3-3.4 billion dollars each.
Varan is an aircraft-carrying ship distinguished by a high level of automation. It can carry 24 multirole fighters, six helicopters, and 20 drones.
“The airpower of Varan will include seaborne MiG-29K fighter jets and their modifications, as well as prospective aircraft, including vertical takeoff and landing jets. They will provide balanced and effective engagement corresponding to modern and prospective foreign aircraft-carrying complexes".
The airpower includes future UAVs. The ship has a high automatic control integrated into the command system.
Varan displacement is close to 45 thousand tons. It is 250-meter long and 65-meter wide. The draft by the construction waterline is 9 meters. The warship can develop a speed of 26 knots.
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Philip wrote:We have a 2 amphib req. cut down from 4 for budgetary reasons.I've been for aeons saying we should leverage out IAC-1 design into a multi-puprpose amphib.,that also has light CV air power too using aircraft and UCAVs. Now the Nevskoye bureau of Ru has done just that with their new concept,the "Varan Universal Sea Complex". Cross-posted in the intl. navies td.,but posted here too for debate.Pl. ck. into the site which has sev. pics.


If we leverage the design of our 2 amphibs similarly using a modified version of the already existing IAC-1 design,with or without the ski-jump (the Varan plans for EMALS),
we would have 4 flat tops with air capability of a total of 100+ carrier strike aircraft including the Vik-A and Vikrant-2, 4 CVs that could operate at least two to three different hot spots simultaneously. The universal flat tops would not impinge upon the naval budget too as the req. was for 2 35K t amphib vessels,of almost same size. The only extra cost would be the air complement.Existing MIG-29Ks could operate from them (STOVL birds like F-35s too) making operational availability and support very cost-effective,the type used on all flat tops. The Ru design can carry 1600 troops,several LCs in a well deck,assault helos and variety of AVs to support amphib landings.The design is modular with other specialist spin-off designs.This way, with the
accelerated SSN programme,the IN could kill 2 birds with one design,since the 3rd. large 65K t CV is on the shelf.
So because we don't have enough money to get one more AC of even the same design we should get 2 more AC's of a completely new design and also buy a whole new airwing for them?
And somehow this also includes assault helos, modular "spinoff" versions and still have money left over to to "accelerate" the SSN program..... Amazing.


Cavour cost 1.6 Billion USD 15 years ago and its airwing costs even more

The new South Korean amphib carrier and its air wing would be about 4 billion $

Izumo class comes around the same cost

For two amphib carriers along with their air wing it would be close to 8-10 Billion $ investment minimum.

In what possible manner would this be "budget friendly", If we had that kind of budget then IAC-2 would already have started construction.
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Varan is an aircraft-carrying ship distinguished by a high level of automation. It can carry 24 multirole fighters, six helicopters, and 20 drones.
Varan is neither. It is a concept much like the 3-4 other amphib and carrier designs that come out from time to time that go nowhere. Let's discuss it when it is floated and some of the assumptions (which work great when designing models and graphics) pan out.
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When it comes to Russian weapons designs concepts. Sometimes I think that they only exist to get some sucker Indian officer to buy into it. So that they can get Indian money to produce it and then sell it to us. All the while acting as if they are doing us a great favour.
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Look at the concept,not where it comes from.Be objective,ignore bias. If you have read my posts for years you'll understand better. A large CBG reqs. a support cast,as Gen Rawat correctly observed, and will cost around $15-20 B the minimum. Here we will have two extra flat tops that can be used for maritime strike apart from amphib duties.We already have the design of IAC-1 which we can suitably modify for our reqs.The 2 amphibs have not been struck off the IN's reqs. The SoKo and Japanese flat tops are too small and rely solely upon STOVL aircraft like the F-35B a v.expensive proposition. Our universal flat tops can use existing 29Ks,NLCAs, apart from any STOVL bird that comes along in their 40 yr. long lifespan. The cost of a 29K+ or NLCA fighter will not cross $50M.48/50 for both vessels will cost only around $2.5 B.A mix of 40 to 50 assault helos like KA-52s, our own MH under development ,plus KA-31AEWs and other light/med helos around $2B. Say a total of $5 B for the entire air wing. Each vessel will be around $3+B. That's a total of around $10/11B for both vessels. They will be excellent companions to the VikA and Vikrant-2 both of which carry around 30+ aircraft/ helos.

In addition the well deck can carry LCs,hovercraft,etc. plus support vehicles,AVs for 1600 troops. The crucial ability to " swing" roles has not been lost on SoKo and Japan who are transiting from pure amphibs to air-capable light carriers.

The GOI must realise that though we cannot vessel for vessel match the PLAN's mega building spree, we must give the,IN just as the PRC has done,priority to the IN,at least a huge bump in the budget. The grounding of just one container ship in the Suez Canal has shown just how fragile the maritime sphere is.
The PRC has just signed a mega oil deal with Iran for $500 B! Is the US sanctioning China at all? Then why are our obtuse cowardly mandarins not engaging with Iran more,behaving like scared mice,afraid to buy even small qtys. of Iranian oil? It's taken a couple of years to even supply cranes at CB! The PRC want a land link up from Gwadar to Chahbahar and Pak is lobbying hard with Iran for it. If that happens,our exclusivity to the port goes kaput.The $ 500 B is meant for a slew of projects right from infra to energy and defence. Our timidity is fast handing over what little leverage we had with Iran encircling Pak to the PRC.The PRC also want naval facilities on the Iranian coast at the entrance to the Gulf. Our energy supplies especially gas from Qatar will be threatened.

In this context alone the IN does need extra multi-role flat tops apart from the N-sub fleet the highest priority. This is a cost-effective solution to have both.
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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The most important thing for the Indian Navy is to figure out what force structure is required out from 2050 to 2060 to 2070 to 2080 and plan a fleet mix to meet those requirements.

Any buying into a foreign ship program has to be done keeping in view of this.

Absent long term planning we might as well be burning money in huge bonfires.
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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In recent times its only the USN who has proven and operated a true, uncompromising carrier. Looking back, the Russians were the only ones to have evolved a perfect semi-carrier concept by way of the Aircraft Carrying Cruiser. Designed to meet their A2/AD mission vs US Navy.

Everybody else is scrambling to find ways to create a carrier capability without having to sell half of your country.

A LHD-Carrier mix is one way of doing this and has been perfect in Juan Carlos class. The pitfall is the dependence on V/STOL fighter as Turkey just found out.

For Indian Navy, i agree with philip that the impending LHD program should look at this concept as ships will last well over 30 years, where a through deck design will allow for flexibility. At the very least you can employ helicopters and UAVs in the immediate.
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