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mody wrote: Upto now, which torpedoes were we using with the IL-38s and Tu-142 aircafts? Did the Russians have a light weight air launched torpedo similar to the US Type 54?
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sankum wrote:https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.asp ... 03456&s=08

DRDO AIP test
. Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has achieved an important milestone in the development of Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System by proving the land-based prototype on 8 March 2021. The plant was operated in endurance mode and max power mode as per the user requirements.
Rather than making an existing Scorpene Submarine come to dry dock, get itself cut open add blocks and fit this, why not put the AIP into the 6th of class which is yet to be launched?
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Rather than making an existing Scorpene Submarine come to dry dock, get itself cut open add blocks and fit this, why not put the AIP into the 6th of class which is yet to be launched?
The DRDO AIP is more of a plug/play module that can be fitted relatively easily and is made to suit the Scorpenes and future vessels
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The HT article claims that the DRDO AIP will go into the 5th & 6th Kalvari boats. Not sure if this was planned or can be done - would depend on the state of the hull fabrication

Great news, btw! Seems like DRDO delivered this ahead of schedule.
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The air-dropped TAL is probably also to validate the SMART long-range anti-sub missile. In its end-game, it will release a TAL or TAL-like torpedo via a parachute
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Prem Kumar wrote:The HT article claims that the DRDO AIP will go into the 5th & 6th Kalvari boats. Not sure if this was planned or can be done - would depend on the state of the hull fabrication

Great news, btw! Seems like DRDO delivered this ahead of schedule.
5th Scorpene has already been manufactured/assembled and the 6th one is in the final stages of fitment so it is not possible for the AIP to be incorporated now unless the navy is ok with cutting open a newly built submarine.
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All six Scorpene boats will have a DRDO AIP installed during their mid life refits. Starting from the Kalvari, that is at least another decade away. Gives ample time for DRDO to work out all the defects and iron out all the kinks.

The first Scorpene boat was supposed to enter service in 2012 and the remaining five were to be delivered by 2017. What actually happened was the first boat was delivered only by 2017 and the last will arrive in 2023. The option clause for three additional Scorpenes have also been cancelled due to the Scorpene data leak.

And the Indian Navy is expecting Project 75I - a boat that will be more technologically advanced than the Scorpene - to arrive on time :D
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https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1 ... 22793?s=20 ---> DRDO achieved an important milestone in the development of AIP System by proving the land based prototype on 08 March 2021. The plant was operated in endurance mode and max power mode as per user requirements. AIP system is being developed by NMRL DRDO.

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Fuel Cell based Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System Crosses Important Milestone of User Specific Tests
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.asp ... 03456&s=08
09 Mar 2021

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has achieved an important milestone in the development of Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System by proving the land-based prototype on 8 March 2021. The plant was operated in endurance mode and max power mode as per the user requirements. The system is being developed by Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL) of DRDO.

AIP has a force multiplier effect on lethality of a diesel electric submarine as it enhances the submerged endurance of the boat, several folds. Fuel cell-based AIP has merits in performance compared to other technologies. While there are different types of AIP systems being pursued internationally, fuel cell-based AIP of NMRL is unique as the hydrogen is generated onboard. The technology has been successfully developed with the support of industry partners L&T and Thermax. It has now reached the stage of maturity for fitment into target vessels.

Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh congratulated DRDO, Indian Navy and Industry for the achievement. Secretary DDR&D and Chairman DRDO, Dr G Satheesh Reddy appreciated the efforts of the teams involved in the successful development. He called upon the DRDO fraternity to come up with more such advanced technological achievements by putting extraordinary efforts.
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Indian Navy Signs Contract With Suryadipta Projects For 11 ACTCM Barges
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https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 53958?s=20 ---> Contract signing with Suryadipta Projects Pvt Ltd, Thane for acquisition of eleven ammunition cum torpedo cum missile barges for the Indian Navy. "The project adds another milestone to the Atmanirbhar Bharat & Make in India initiative of the Government of India."

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Interior of the Scorpene Class boat in the Indian Navy...

https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 33155?s=20 --->

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RTSYS delivers 2 SIERA systems to the Indian Navy
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Indian Navy signs contract with Suryadipta Projects for 11 ACTCM barges.

The Indian Navy has signed a contract with Suryadipta Projects to construct 11 ammunition-cum-torpedo-cum-missile (ACTCM) barges, said an official statement on Tuesday.

The contract with Suryadipta Projects Private Limited, a Thane-based MSME, was concluded on March 5, the Indian Navy's statement noted.

"Delivery of barges is scheduled to commence from May 22. The ACTCM barges will be inducted in Indian Navy to undertake the mission needs for embarking or disembarking ammunition torpedo, missile, etc." it mentioned.

The project adds another milestone to the Atmanirbhar Bharat and Make in India initiative of the government of India, it said.
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kit wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:
Rather than making an existing Scorpene Submarine come to dry dock, get itself cut open add blocks and fit this, why not put the AIP into the 6th of class which is yet to be launched?
The DRDO AIP is more of a plug/play module that can be fitted relatively easily and is made to suit the Scorpenes and future vessels
The hull will still have to be cut open to install the system (which is basically adding an extra cylindrical hull section behind the conning tower). Can only be done during MLU. The submarine will be out of action for several months if not more.
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nachiket wrote:
kit wrote:
The DRDO AIP is more of a plug/play module that can be fitted relatively easily and is made to suit the Scorpenes and future vessels
The hull will still have to be cut open to install the system (which is basically adding an extra cylindrical hull section behind the conning tower). Can only be done during MLU. The submarine will be out of action for several months if not more.
adding this from: http://www.businessworld.in/article/DRD ... 21-383371/
The DRDO developed indigenous AIP propulsion system is a modular system which can be easily configured for any conventional submarine platform. At present the system is configured for P75 submarines and has got the safety and interface acceptance and permission from the Submarine designer M/s NG France. The firm is to undertake the detailed design for its possible integration to the first available P75 platform.
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Rakesh wrote:The option clause for three additional Scorpenes have also been cancelled due to the Scorpene data leak
This is news to me. Was it the Scorpene leak that caused this option to not be invoked? Was the leak that serious?
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Prem Kumar wrote:
This is news to me. Was it the Scorpene leak that caused this option to not be invoked? Was the leak that serious?
you will not get a straight answer to this anywhere., but yes and no. Any leaks of that detail is serious but most of the damage was contained by suitable modifications by the manufacturer ( there were certain items that had be replaced and modified., and caused delays). No one will know what.

But the reason for the new gen subs is different., not the leaks. The Navy needs to bring online the first ship in the new class asap. So funds go to this. MD can only do so much. However, if L&T combo builds the new gen , MD might have a new order for a modified scorpene
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A report that the 6 SSN prog. is back on track,plus the DRDO AIP movement,P-75 push is v.heartening.and in the right direction! We need a large and capable suub fleet that can operate both in the IOR and the ICS,able to counter any Chinko plans before they ingress the IOR.Chinko BMs stationed in Tibet aimed at IN assets to counter our superiority inthe IOR are useless against an underwater fleet. Leasing of another 2 Akula SSGNs would also be a swift way in which to keep the number of attack subs happy until our 6 SSNs start being commissioned. The IN will need at least 6 SSNs to protect our SSBNs,plus another 6 for offensive duties against the enemy and support our 2 CBGs. 4 Akulas on lease,6 new SSNs plus our 6+ SSBNs will be required for boththd strat. deterrent and blue water ops. Our conventional subs,around 24, will be adequate to sanitise the IOR against both the PN and PLAN.
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^^

Similar to the Suryadipto contract for 11 ammunition-cum-torpedo-cum-missile (ACTCM) barges, Indian navy also signed a contract with Secon on Feb 25 for 8 missile cum ammunition (MCA) barge.

The Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced that a contract has been signed with local manufacturer Secon for a missile cum ammunition (MCA) barge. Secon will build and deliver eight MCA barges to the Indian Navy. Financial details of the award have not been disclosed.

Delivery of the units will take place from July this year. The Indian Navy will use the barges for embarking and disembarking missile, gunnery and ASW ammunition to ships.

The contract is part of the government’s ‘Make in India’ efforts to boost local manufacturing capabilities in the defence sector.

According to the MoD’s Request for Information (RFI) for the procurement, the barges are required to have a total cargo tonnage capacity of up to 100t with no lifting gear. The barge should have a minimum life of 30 years. It should be capable of operating in Indian tropical environment conditions.
In addition, the length, breadth and height of the cargo hold of the barge should not be less than 25m x 6.5m x 4m. It should also be of double hull construction in way of hold.
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https://twitter.com/subnut/status/13694 ... 78340?s=20 ---> INS Rajput (D51) will be decommissioned on 05 April 2021 at Vishakapatnam.

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India’s Second Indigenous Nuclear Submarine, Arighat, To Be Commissioned This Year

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/indi ... -this-year
The submarine, which had been quietly launched in 2017 by the then defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman, is currently in the final stages of sea trials.

The Arighat was to be commissioned into service late last year but the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic derailed the plan.

The boat has four missile launch tubes, capable of carrying 12 K-15 Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs) or four K-4 SLBMs. While the K-15 has a range of 750 kilometer, the K-4 can hit targets 3,500 km away.
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Sad to see the Rajput go,the second destroyer to have borne its name. The first onf of the WW2 Hunt class.When she first came into service ddcades ago, the Taj in Bombay saw a Paki naval officer staying as a guest under , false identity to snoop on her.

I wonder which vessel or vessels will now inherit her BMos anc other missiles and eqpt. which are still of use.
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Rajput is nostalgic for me as well. As a child I saw a party hosted on it. Remembered lots of food (specially pulav) and thought Navy eats much better than army. Decade plus later sitting in a field area I recollected that :D

Also watched Gandhi movie on Rajput as a child. Enduring memories of the ship, its wardroom carpets and the sonar. Can still remember the towed array sonar pit so clearly. Was huge. Lots of machinery.

Also remember seeing the movie Rajput in Sagarika the Naval theatre.
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Rakesh wrote:Interior of the Scorpene Class boat in the Indian Navy...

https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 33155?s=20 --->
Francisi military maal is always high on reliability, fit, finish, practicality and ergonomics. Like the Rafale cockpit or Leclerc tank interiors. Their cars from Renault & Peugeot however range from horrible to quirky for some unknown reason.
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Cyrano wrote:Their cars from Renault & Peugeot however range from horrible to quirky for some unknown reason.
<OT>Forgive my ignorance but why is that Germany and Japan have not developed top-of-the-line fighter aircrafts despite their decades of qualitative (and numerical) dominance in automobiles? post-WW2 tight embrace of King Khan?</OT>
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Akshay Kapoor wrote:Rajput is nostalgic for me as well. As a child I saw a party hosted on it. Remembered lots of food (specially pulav) and thought Navy eats much better than army. Decade plus later sitting in a field area I recollected that :D
Akshay Sir, I never had the fortune of trying Army food, but the Navy chai is amazing.

I had chai on 14 August 2000 in the helo hangar aboard INS Delhi. That chai was so damn bloody good, that I still remember it more than 20 years later. I remember the sailor who served the chai, the cups the chai came in and the chai itself. That chai was too good.

One can only imagine what Navy food must be like. I have been told that Navy chefs are magicians.
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They are called Cook Os. Navy food is better than army and the quantity is also larger! Helpings are bigger. As a young officer one would often be hungry. And we won't even discuss toilet facilities. But obviously one advantage of staying hungry is having to use the DTL less frequently. :D
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Why is that the case? They just have a higher budget available to spend on food for their men?
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Cyrano wrote:Their cars from Renault & Peugeot however range from horrible to quirky for some unknown reason.
<OT>Forgive my ignorance but why is that Germany and Japan have not developed top-of-the-line fighter aircrafts despite their decades of qualitative (and numerical) dominance in automobiles? post-WW2 tight embrace of King Khan?</OT>

Ehhh.... Eurofighter Typhoon and Mitsubishi F2 might have given your memory a miss. :D
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Maybe different op philosophies. I am only half joking but its good to be able to go hungry because who knows what situation you may face in ops. On a serious note its a fact that army has to be hardier and togher than Navy. Maybe you have to fight for 2/3 days without food and water. It is a fact that a very imp characteristic of a good soldier and offr is ability to take any situation any time.
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nachiket wrote:Why is that the case? They just have a higher budget available to spend on food for their men?
All three services do take a keen interest in the food they serve to their men and women. As the well known saying goes, "An Army marches on its stomach."

The Navy just takes it to a whole other level though. Admirals of yesteryear set that tradition in the RIN, which is followed in the IN till today. A happy, well fed sailor is a sailor who can concentrate on his/her job. Tradition states that the senior most officer on the ship first tastes the food, before it is served to the rest of his men/women. Nutrition is also key here. Food made with love & care will always be remembered, as in my case over a simple cup of chai. And submarine food is even better. Nothing unites people more than food.

I have never tasted Army food, but I have read some sordid stories. But I do not believe it is a systemic issue. Akshay Sir can provide more insights into Army food.

And navy folks always remind (ribbing) their army counterparts, that no matter where they have served (Siachen, Ladakh, Rajasthan, etc)....it is nothing more than only shore duty :mrgreen: Running back into my foxhole, before Akshay Sir takes me out with his sniper rifle!
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sohamn wrote: Ehhh.... Eurofighter Typhoon and Mitsubishi F2 might have given your memory a miss. :D
No, I remember well the British-German (and to an initial extent the French) collaborative 'Euro'fighter... and neither have i forgotten the Japanese F16 derivative. Anyway back to Indian navy... before Admiral Saab throws his fork at me
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Tasting is in army also. Duty offr eats atleast one meal of the day in Langar and enters comments in register. Langar helpings are bigger than mess helpings. I like being duty offr. Full meal. If you happen to be in a so called 'peace station' then bachelor offrs will often go to a senior offrs house after dinner to get more food ! Usually ande ki bhurjee. Im sure QMG branch is of view that its good to have part empty stomach. Keeps you keen.

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