Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Ban on JuD – Editorial
THE decision by the country’s civilian and military leadership to take action against Jamaatud Dawa and its charity wing, Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation, is significant.
On Thursday, the National Security Committee, with the prime minister in the chair, took the decision, with the Prime Minister’s Office later saying that the state cannot be allowed to “become hostage to extremism”.
The JuD is of course an avatar of Lashkar-i-Taiba, one of the many jihadi groups that dot this country’s landscape. However, making an announcement about the group’s proscription is not enough; if the state has evidence of the outfit’s involvement in militancy it should present the facts and pursue the legal course so that JuD’s leadership can face justice.
As has been witnessed for nearly two decades now, the state moves to ban militant outfits, but, in very little time they are back, up and running, with new names and the entire structure of violence intact. For example, in 2002 the Musharraf regime banned a host of jihadi and sectarian groups, yet this effort had little practical effect because with a mere change of nomenclature, the groups continued to peddle hate and violence, making a mockery of the proscription.
Moreover, the establishment’s attempts to ‘mainstream’ violent actors — eg presenting them as legitimate religious scholars or relaunching the jihadi lashkars as political parties — have also failed to steer these groups away from violence and hate. For example, a sectarian party has been repeatedly allowed to take part in general elections, but its senior leaders have failed to cease spewing venom.
History has shown that while low-level jihadi and sectarian party cadres perhaps can be deradicalised and mainstreamed, their leadership is committed to the ideology of violence and can only be silenced through the legal path. These parties’ fundraising, communications and organisational systems must be targeted to put them out of business; imposing mere ‘bans’ is futile.
In the delicate post-Pulwama period, Prime Minister Imran Khan must be praised for saying that those who use this country’s soil to attack others are enemies of Pakistan. The government has now started to take action. For instance, reports emerged on Friday that a key madressah associated with Jaish-e-Mohammad in Bahawalpur — another militant outfit accused of orchestrating cross-border attacks — was taken over by the Punjab government.
These moves indicate that the leadership has perhaps realised that taking half-baked steps against violent actors is dangerous for Pakistan’s internal security, as well as its external relations. Now the elected leadership and the military establishment must take this campaign — as envisaged under NAP — to its logical conclusion by ensuring that non-state actors are not able to raise armed militias, and that those spewing hatred against other countries or spreading sectarian views are prosecuted.
It was unwise to allow these outfits to operate in the past, and efforts are needed to shut them down permanently.
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THE decision by the country’s civilian and military leadership to take action against Jamaatud Dawa and its charity wing, Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation, is significant.
On Thursday, the National Security Committee, with the prime minister in the chair, took the decision, with the Prime Minister’s Office later saying that the state cannot be allowed to “become hostage to extremism”.
The JuD is of course an avatar of Lashkar-i-Taiba, one of the many jihadi groups that dot this country’s landscape. However, making an announcement about the group’s proscription is not enough; if the state has evidence of the outfit’s involvement in militancy it should present the facts and pursue the legal course so that JuD’s leadership can face justice.
As has been witnessed for nearly two decades now, the state moves to ban militant outfits, but, in very little time they are back, up and running, with new names and the entire structure of violence intact. For example, in 2002 the Musharraf regime banned a host of jihadi and sectarian groups, yet this effort had little practical effect because with a mere change of nomenclature, the groups continued to peddle hate and violence, making a mockery of the proscription.
Moreover, the establishment’s attempts to ‘mainstream’ violent actors — eg presenting them as legitimate religious scholars or relaunching the jihadi lashkars as political parties — have also failed to steer these groups away from violence and hate. For example, a sectarian party has been repeatedly allowed to take part in general elections, but its senior leaders have failed to cease spewing venom.
History has shown that while low-level jihadi and sectarian party cadres perhaps can be deradicalised and mainstreamed, their leadership is committed to the ideology of violence and can only be silenced through the legal path. These parties’ fundraising, communications and organisational systems must be targeted to put them out of business; imposing mere ‘bans’ is futile.
In the delicate post-Pulwama period, Prime Minister Imran Khan must be praised for saying that those who use this country’s soil to attack others are enemies of Pakistan. The government has now started to take action. For instance, reports emerged on Friday that a key madressah associated with Jaish-e-Mohammad in Bahawalpur — another militant outfit accused of orchestrating cross-border attacks — was taken over by the Punjab government.
These moves indicate that the leadership has perhaps realised that taking half-baked steps against violent actors is dangerous for Pakistan’s internal security, as well as its external relations. Now the elected leadership and the military establishment must take this campaign — as envisaged under NAP — to its logical conclusion by ensuring that non-state actors are not able to raise armed militias, and that those spewing hatred against other countries or spreading sectarian views are prosecuted.
It was unwise to allow these outfits to operate in the past, and efforts are needed to shut them down permanently.
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Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Govt asked to follow Indian model in reducing circular debt - Zafar Bhutta
Ministers suggest a study to examine measures taken by Indian states to check power sector losses
ISLAMABAD: Economic managers of the country have suggested the government to follow the Indian model in curtailing losses and theft faced by power companies, which have been major factors behind the growing circular debt.
The circular debt payable to independent power producers (IPPs) on account of energy supply, capacity charges and interest accrual stood at Rs807.88 billion by December 31, 2018. Overall, receivables of the power sector swelled to Rs1,041 billion, including subsidies of Rs170 billion, as on November 30, 2018.
In a meeting of the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the cabinet, chaired by Finance Minister Asad Umar and held last month, the ministers from economic ministries underscored the need for developing a viable strategy to rein in line losses and power theft in a bid to reduce the circular debt, which was a major threat to the national economy.
Circular debt in energy chain swells to Rs1.18 trillion
Some ECC members pointed out that some Indian cities and states had been successful in controlling line losses and electricity theft which included Delhi, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra. They suggested that a study should be undertaken to examine and analyse the measures taken by the Indian states, like massive investment in new transmission lines, to check power-sector losses. The ECC was informed that payables in the energy sector involved major payments to the IPPs, Pakistan State Oil, Sui Northern Gas Pipelines, Sui Southern Gas Company, Pakistan Petroleum Limited, Mari Petroleum and individual power plants running on different fuels.
These pending payments had accumulated over the past five years in the wake of a gap between the electricity purchase price, invoiced by the Central Power Purchasing Agency (CPPA), and the recoveries made by the power distribution companies.
‘Circular debt due to lack of planning, strategy’
It was pointed out that another major reason for the accumulation of circular debt was delay in release of subsidies by the federal government. An archaic transmission and distribution system riddled with theft and wastage was also one of the root causes of the circular debt. A further delay in the determination and imposition of tariffs would create gap between the cost of electricity and the amount recovered from the consumers, the ECC was told.
Syndicated term finance facilities amounting to Rs607.03 billion have already been executed through Power Holding (Private) Limited for clearing repayment liabilities of the distribution companies. The government has decided to acquire a fresh loan from a consortium of Islamic banks by pledging assets of distribution and generation companies as collateral.
The facility was approved by the ECC on November 27, 2018. Approval was also obtained from the board of directors of the distribution companies.
The loan will be used to ease the liquidity crunch in the power sector and an assignment account is being created at the level of CPPA. The assignment account will ensure biannual payments for loan servicing.
The revenue stream for the assignment account will come through regular payments of the distribution companies.
The ECC noted that in the past three months, the power companies had reduced their losses by 1.5% and called it a great achievement. It praised efforts of the Power Division and the initiatives taken by it to curtail losses.
It called for accelerating the campaign against power theft and improving recovery of the outstanding bills.
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Ministers suggest a study to examine measures taken by Indian states to check power sector losses
ISLAMABAD: Economic managers of the country have suggested the government to follow the Indian model in curtailing losses and theft faced by power companies, which have been major factors behind the growing circular debt.
The circular debt payable to independent power producers (IPPs) on account of energy supply, capacity charges and interest accrual stood at Rs807.88 billion by December 31, 2018. Overall, receivables of the power sector swelled to Rs1,041 billion, including subsidies of Rs170 billion, as on November 30, 2018.
In a meeting of the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the cabinet, chaired by Finance Minister Asad Umar and held last month, the ministers from economic ministries underscored the need for developing a viable strategy to rein in line losses and power theft in a bid to reduce the circular debt, which was a major threat to the national economy.
Circular debt in energy chain swells to Rs1.18 trillion
Some ECC members pointed out that some Indian cities and states had been successful in controlling line losses and electricity theft which included Delhi, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra. They suggested that a study should be undertaken to examine and analyse the measures taken by the Indian states, like massive investment in new transmission lines, to check power-sector losses. The ECC was informed that payables in the energy sector involved major payments to the IPPs, Pakistan State Oil, Sui Northern Gas Pipelines, Sui Southern Gas Company, Pakistan Petroleum Limited, Mari Petroleum and individual power plants running on different fuels.
These pending payments had accumulated over the past five years in the wake of a gap between the electricity purchase price, invoiced by the Central Power Purchasing Agency (CPPA), and the recoveries made by the power distribution companies.
‘Circular debt due to lack of planning, strategy’
It was pointed out that another major reason for the accumulation of circular debt was delay in release of subsidies by the federal government. An archaic transmission and distribution system riddled with theft and wastage was also one of the root causes of the circular debt. A further delay in the determination and imposition of tariffs would create gap between the cost of electricity and the amount recovered from the consumers, the ECC was told.
Syndicated term finance facilities amounting to Rs607.03 billion have already been executed through Power Holding (Private) Limited for clearing repayment liabilities of the distribution companies. The government has decided to acquire a fresh loan from a consortium of Islamic banks by pledging assets of distribution and generation companies as collateral.
The facility was approved by the ECC on November 27, 2018. Approval was also obtained from the board of directors of the distribution companies.
The loan will be used to ease the liquidity crunch in the power sector and an assignment account is being created at the level of CPPA. The assignment account will ensure biannual payments for loan servicing.
The revenue stream for the assignment account will come through regular payments of the distribution companies.
The ECC noted that in the past three months, the power companies had reduced their losses by 1.5% and called it a great achievement. It praised efforts of the Power Division and the initiatives taken by it to curtail losses.
It called for accelerating the campaign against power theft and improving recovery of the outstanding bills.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
I object! This is haram.
Why should al-bakistan copy the yindu *bania* model? What bakistan needs to more "Maal e ghanimat* izlamic model.
This *circular* debt is a modern trap designed by YYY brigade to put the whole baki quam in chains. And isn't loan/debt,etc haram? Just toss aside all these claims i.e. these chains of slavery my bakis fliends and walk free to build a "naya bakistan".
Why should al-bakistan copy the yindu *bania* model? What bakistan needs to more "Maal e ghanimat* izlamic model.
This *circular* debt is a modern trap designed by YYY brigade to put the whole baki quam in chains. And isn't loan/debt,etc haram? Just toss aside all these claims i.e. these chains of slavery my bakis fliends and walk free to build a "naya bakistan".
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
I have a solution to this circular debt problem . Let Al Bakistan write off all debt . Then there will be no circle and the debt will become flat like earth as per Ahl-e-kitab.
No Debt , No Circle.
No Debt , No Circle.
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
I have another theory for the Pulwama attack. Please pardon me if some learned guru here has already proposed it.
The Pulwama attack was done for banning terrorist organizations in name for the benefit of FATF. Being in a bind between FATF and the jihadis, the only way out seems to be too ban them to save the country from destruction at the hands of India. So, they coaxed JeM to carry out the attack.
Cross posted from the pulwama thread
The Pulwama attack was done for banning terrorist organizations in name for the benefit of FATF. Being in a bind between FATF and the jihadis, the only way out seems to be too ban them to save the country from destruction at the hands of India. So, they coaxed JeM to carry out the attack.
Cross posted from the pulwama thread
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Why are India entertaining this Paki MP? So soon after Pulwama and he’s from the ruling PTI party.
https://scroll.in/latest/914395/pakista ... -countriesPakistani MP meets Narendra Modi and Sushma Swaraj, offers to mediate between countries
Ramesh Kumar Vankwani said he had assured the Indian leaders that Islamabad was not involved in the February 14 attack in Pulwama.
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1 dead, 9 injured in Balochistan IED blast
https://www.dawn.com/news/1465774/1-dea ... -ied-blast
https://www.dawn.com/news/1465774/1-dea ... -ied-blast
One person was killed and nine others injured in an explosion in Balochistan's Dera Murad Jamali city on Sunday. An improvised explosive device planted in a motorcycle parked outside a shop in the Mazdoor Chowk area detonated, leaving one person dead and nine others injured, police officer Hyder Shah told DawnNewsTV. All the victims are civilians. Police were not able to immediately ascertain the intended target of the blast. The wounded have been transported to a hospital for medical treatment.
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
To outwit China at UN, India & France to look beyond JeM chief Masood Azhar - Sachin Parashar
NEW DELHI: Looking to build upon the strong UNSC condemnation of the Pulwama attack, France is likely to bring a proposal in the next few days for a UN ban on Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar. However, to give teeth to the diplomatic offensive against the Pakistan based terror group, India and France are also giving a “cautious” consideration to several other options including bringing similar proposals against Azhar’s brother Abdul Rauf Asghar, an accused in the Pathankot attack, and some other individuals associated with JeM.
The government is preparing dossiers backed by solid evidence for a UN ban on not just Azhar but also Asghar and other acknowledged JeM terrorists, official sources said. It remains to be seen though if the names of Asghar and others are included in the proposal for inclusion of Azhar in the UNSC 1267 sanctions list or a ban is sought on them in separate resolutions. Efforts at the UN to designate other JeM commanders as international terrorists could help India raise the ante on China which has in the past vetoed a ban on Azhar claiming that there was not enough evidence against him.
The last time China blocked a ban on Azhar, in 2017, India responded by saying such “selective approaches” and “double standards” would undermine the international resolve to combat terrorism. By all accounts, China is again likely to take the same position on Azhar. Beijing, though, could risk some embarrassment if it chooses to do the same with proposals for banning Asghar and other commanders of JeM which remains a UN-designated terrorist organisation. Asghar was not just involved in the planning and execution of the Pathankot attack but, perhaps even more actively than his brother, has in the recent past urged and mobilised people to carry out attacks in India.
On ‘Kashmir Solidarity Day’, he was quoted as having said he was looking to terrorise India. Ibrahim Athar, another brother of Azhar, and Shahid Latif, who too is an accused in the Pathankot attack, are other Jaish terrorists whose names might be considered for UN ban. France is leading the effort for the ban with help from some other European countries. Sources here said that probably having sensed the move, Pakistan has started reaching out to its own friends and allies to stall the French initiative.
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NEW DELHI: Looking to build upon the strong UNSC condemnation of the Pulwama attack, France is likely to bring a proposal in the next few days for a UN ban on Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar. However, to give teeth to the diplomatic offensive against the Pakistan based terror group, India and France are also giving a “cautious” consideration to several other options including bringing similar proposals against Azhar’s brother Abdul Rauf Asghar, an accused in the Pathankot attack, and some other individuals associated with JeM.
The government is preparing dossiers backed by solid evidence for a UN ban on not just Azhar but also Asghar and other acknowledged JeM terrorists, official sources said. It remains to be seen though if the names of Asghar and others are included in the proposal for inclusion of Azhar in the UNSC 1267 sanctions list or a ban is sought on them in separate resolutions. Efforts at the UN to designate other JeM commanders as international terrorists could help India raise the ante on China which has in the past vetoed a ban on Azhar claiming that there was not enough evidence against him.
The last time China blocked a ban on Azhar, in 2017, India responded by saying such “selective approaches” and “double standards” would undermine the international resolve to combat terrorism. By all accounts, China is again likely to take the same position on Azhar. Beijing, though, could risk some embarrassment if it chooses to do the same with proposals for banning Asghar and other commanders of JeM which remains a UN-designated terrorist organisation. Asghar was not just involved in the planning and execution of the Pathankot attack but, perhaps even more actively than his brother, has in the recent past urged and mobilised people to carry out attacks in India.
On ‘Kashmir Solidarity Day’, he was quoted as having said he was looking to terrorise India. Ibrahim Athar, another brother of Azhar, and Shahid Latif, who too is an accused in the Pathankot attack, are other Jaish terrorists whose names might be considered for UN ban. France is leading the effort for the ban with help from some other European countries. Sources here said that probably having sensed the move, Pakistan has started reaching out to its own friends and allies to stall the French initiative.
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Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Ex-PM says everyone knows Imran is a selected prime minister - Khalid Mahmood
Abbasi says country witnessed highest inflation during first six months of PTI government
Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Central Leader and former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has said the people of Pakistan will express their rejection for the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government on February 26 by voting against their disastrous rule.
Addressing a public gathering in Balakot while campaigning for the PK-30 by-election scheduled for February 26, Abbasi said people have lost all hopes in the current government
“Historic inflation and absolute destruction of national economy by the PTI-led government has been historically the worst tenure ever,” said the former premier adding the incompetent prime minister and his cabinet had pushed people into the dark abyss of socio-economic depression.
The PML-N leader further said Nawaz Sharif was the only prime minister who truly worked for the progress and development of the country and set the nation on the path of progress. “It will once again be Nawaz who will rescue Pakistan from this government which has brought the country to the verge of an economic Armageddon,” said Abbasi.
“Every Pakistani knows Imran Khan is a selected Prime Minister,” he said adding his performance has earned him disappointment of the people who do not expect anything from him now.
The former premier further lashed out at PTI ministers who according to him could not even explain why the country’s economy had taken such a nosedive.
“The people are crushed under more and more burden dumped over them by the PTI government,” he said adding it was an unfortunate day for Pakistan when Imran was “selected as its prime minister.”
NAB summons Shahid Khaqan Abbasi in LNG contract case
Meanwhile, Abbasi said the people of Balakot were the descendants of valorous martyrs and were the custodians of the betterment of this area and this country. Therefore, he said it was their duty to save the country by rejecting PTI and vote for PML-N for the prosperity of the country.
The former premier reminded the people of the Hazara Motorway made during Nawaz Sharif’s government telling them how Nawaz’s government not only brought the country out of an economic crisis but also boosted the national growth rate 5.8 percent.
He further said the PTI government is not interested in running either the country or the parliament.
“Imran’s MPs and ministers do not allow any constructive legislation or discussion to take place on the floor of the house,” he complained adding PTI has not only devastated the country economically but also degraded national discourse with their indecent and abusive language.
He urged the people to vote for the PML-N candidate to move one step closer to send a strong message to the failed government and to move one step closer to a better future for themselves and the country.
PML-N K-P President Amir Muqam, Sardar Yousaf, Murtaza Javed Abbasi and the candidate for PK-30 Ziaurrehman also addressed the public meeting while Syed Qasim Shah along with his associates announced joining PML-N during the event.
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Abbasi says country witnessed highest inflation during first six months of PTI government
Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Central Leader and former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has said the people of Pakistan will express their rejection for the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government on February 26 by voting against their disastrous rule.
Addressing a public gathering in Balakot while campaigning for the PK-30 by-election scheduled for February 26, Abbasi said people have lost all hopes in the current government
“Historic inflation and absolute destruction of national economy by the PTI-led government has been historically the worst tenure ever,” said the former premier adding the incompetent prime minister and his cabinet had pushed people into the dark abyss of socio-economic depression.
The PML-N leader further said Nawaz Sharif was the only prime minister who truly worked for the progress and development of the country and set the nation on the path of progress. “It will once again be Nawaz who will rescue Pakistan from this government which has brought the country to the verge of an economic Armageddon,” said Abbasi.
“Every Pakistani knows Imran Khan is a selected Prime Minister,” he said adding his performance has earned him disappointment of the people who do not expect anything from him now.
The former premier further lashed out at PTI ministers who according to him could not even explain why the country’s economy had taken such a nosedive.
“The people are crushed under more and more burden dumped over them by the PTI government,” he said adding it was an unfortunate day for Pakistan when Imran was “selected as its prime minister.”
NAB summons Shahid Khaqan Abbasi in LNG contract case
Meanwhile, Abbasi said the people of Balakot were the descendants of valorous martyrs and were the custodians of the betterment of this area and this country. Therefore, he said it was their duty to save the country by rejecting PTI and vote for PML-N for the prosperity of the country.
The former premier reminded the people of the Hazara Motorway made during Nawaz Sharif’s government telling them how Nawaz’s government not only brought the country out of an economic crisis but also boosted the national growth rate 5.8 percent.
He further said the PTI government is not interested in running either the country or the parliament.
“Imran’s MPs and ministers do not allow any constructive legislation or discussion to take place on the floor of the house,” he complained adding PTI has not only devastated the country economically but also degraded national discourse with their indecent and abusive language.
He urged the people to vote for the PML-N candidate to move one step closer to send a strong message to the failed government and to move one step closer to a better future for themselves and the country.
PML-N K-P President Amir Muqam, Sardar Yousaf, Murtaza Javed Abbasi and the candidate for PK-30 Ziaurrehman also addressed the public meeting while Syed Qasim Shah along with his associates announced joining PML-N during the event.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
may nature curse Pakistan and its ideology with the worst possible
https://www.dawn.com/news/1465752/the-l ... he-kalasha
this is how the accursed ,disgraceful Pakis treat minorities. and they have the gall to talk to others.
THE LAST OF THE KALASHA
https://www.dawn.com/news/1465752/the-l ... he-kalasha
this is how the accursed ,disgraceful Pakis treat minorities. and they have the gall to talk to others.
THE LAST OF THE KALASHA
On June 16, 2016, 15-year-old Rina was convinced by one of her teachers that she could be a good human by becoming Muslim.
“Rina was consistently crying and saying she was not a Muslim,” says Rina’s cousin. “She didn’t want to leave her Kalasha people. She was shouting, ‘Please save me!’”
She brought 15-year-old Rina to her home. As soon she tried to give shelter to Rina, a mob, all of them Muslims, gathered in front of her house started pelting stones.
“I pleaded to the police, who were present on the scene, and the station house officer,” she told me, “but they did not protect my cousin. I clearly told them they can’t force this minor to convert and leave her religion and culture.”
The mob dispersed when army soldiers fired shots from a nearby post. But a group of clerics came and took Rina with them. She was made to recite the kalma [declaration of faith] and was declared a Muslim. Rina was married off soon after the incident, and she left her home and now lives with her Muslim husband and a child in Peshawar.
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Why of course to fund my first Class airfare and 5 star hotel stay to/in Bartania where i asked aam abduls like you for funds to build the dam 
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
It Pakistan attacks, India could finish us with 20 nuclear bombs: Pervez Musharraf
The former president's comment comes on the heels of Pulwama terror attack that killed 40 CRPF personnel
Former Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf has rejected the prospects of any nuclear attack from Pakistan on India even after the relations between the two nuclear countries have reached "dangerous level".
He also said that if Pakistan will attack India with one atomic bomb then the neighbouring country could "finish us by attacking with 20 bombs", reported Dawn
Addressing the press conference in UAE on Friday, Musharraf said: "Indian and Pakistan relations have again reached a dangerous level. They will be no nuclear attack. If we would attack India with one atomic bomb, then the neighbouring country could finish us by attacking with 20 bombs. Then the only solution is that we should first attack them with 50 atom bombs so that they cannot hit us with 20 bombs. Are you ready to first launch an attack with 50 bombs."
The former president's comment comes on the heels of Pulwama terror attack that killed 40 CRPF personnel in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama after a Pakistan-sponsored JeM terrorist rammed an IED-laden vehicle into a convoy of the security forces.
The former president said that for establishing a relationship with Tel Aviv, who has longstanding ties with Delhi, "there was a need to break the alliance between India and Israel, and Pakistan could do it very easily."
He also claimed that Israel wanted to establish relations with Pakistan.
The chief of All-Pakistan Muslim League (APML), who is leaving in self-exile in UAE, is ready to return to Pakistan as he sees the political environment in his country favourable.
"In my opinion, the political environment is good and favourable. Half of the [present] ministers are mine. [The] law minister and the (incumbent) attorney general were my lawyers," said Musharraf.
Musharraf took power in 1999 following a military coup that ousted former President Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. After being president for nine years, he was ousted from power after another coup that rose Sharif again to power
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The former president's comment comes on the heels of Pulwama terror attack that killed 40 CRPF personnel
Former Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf has rejected the prospects of any nuclear attack from Pakistan on India even after the relations between the two nuclear countries have reached "dangerous level".
He also said that if Pakistan will attack India with one atomic bomb then the neighbouring country could "finish us by attacking with 20 bombs", reported Dawn
Addressing the press conference in UAE on Friday, Musharraf said: "Indian and Pakistan relations have again reached a dangerous level. They will be no nuclear attack. If we would attack India with one atomic bomb, then the neighbouring country could finish us by attacking with 20 bombs. Then the only solution is that we should first attack them with 50 atom bombs so that they cannot hit us with 20 bombs. Are you ready to first launch an attack with 50 bombs."
The former president's comment comes on the heels of Pulwama terror attack that killed 40 CRPF personnel in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama after a Pakistan-sponsored JeM terrorist rammed an IED-laden vehicle into a convoy of the security forces.
The former president said that for establishing a relationship with Tel Aviv, who has longstanding ties with Delhi, "there was a need to break the alliance between India and Israel, and Pakistan could do it very easily."
He also claimed that Israel wanted to establish relations with Pakistan.
The chief of All-Pakistan Muslim League (APML), who is leaving in self-exile in UAE, is ready to return to Pakistan as he sees the political environment in his country favourable.
"In my opinion, the political environment is good and favourable. Half of the [present] ministers are mine. [The] law minister and the (incumbent) attorney general were my lawyers," said Musharraf.
Musharraf took power in 1999 following a military coup that ousted former President Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. After being president for nine years, he was ousted from power after another coup that rose Sharif again to power
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Many here had predicted as soon as the ex-CJP started the fund, that it was another scam. Now, the ex-CJP is inching closer to that one step by admitting to the above.
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Modi browned the Paki shalwars................
0330 hrs.....26 th feb 2019.
0330 hrs.....26 th feb 2019.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/indi ... 190226.htm
India bombs terror camps inside Pakistan
Last updated on: February 26, 2019 13:42 IST
India conducted a major preemptive strike on a Jaish-e-Mohammed training camp early Tuesday, killing a "very large number" of terrorists, trainers and senior commanders, Indian foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale said.
He said the "intelligence-led operation" on the Pakistan-based terror group's biggest training camp in Balakot became "absolutely necessary" as it was planning more suicide attacks in India. JeM claimed responsibility for the February 14 Pulwama attack on a Central Reserve Police Force convoy in which 40 soldiers were killed.
Sources told PTI that Prime Minister Narendra Modi has briefed President Ram Nath Kovind and Vice President M Venkaiah Naidu about Tuesday's strike.
It was not clear if the strike was on Balakote in Pakistan occupied Kashmir or Balakot in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.
Gokhale also did not give details of how the attacks were carried out or confirm earlier reports by sources that Mirage aircraft were used to drop bombs in the operation.
"Credible intelligence was received that JeM was attempting another suicide terror attack in various parts of the country, and the fidayeen jihadis were being trained for this purpose," Gokhale told the media.
In the face of imminent danger, a preemptive strike became "absolutely necessary", the foreign secretary said.
Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman briefed Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the operation.
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India bombs terror camps inside Pakistan
Last updated on: February 26, 2019 13:42 IST
India conducted a major preemptive strike on a Jaish-e-Mohammed training camp early Tuesday, killing a "very large number" of terrorists, trainers and senior commanders, Indian foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale said.
He said the "intelligence-led operation" on the Pakistan-based terror group's biggest training camp in Balakot became "absolutely necessary" as it was planning more suicide attacks in India. JeM claimed responsibility for the February 14 Pulwama attack on a Central Reserve Police Force convoy in which 40 soldiers were killed.
Sources told PTI that Prime Minister Narendra Modi has briefed President Ram Nath Kovind and Vice President M Venkaiah Naidu about Tuesday's strike.
It was not clear if the strike was on Balakote in Pakistan occupied Kashmir or Balakot in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.
Gokhale also did not give details of how the attacks were carried out or confirm earlier reports by sources that Mirage aircraft were used to drop bombs in the operation.
"Credible intelligence was received that JeM was attempting another suicide terror attack in various parts of the country, and the fidayeen jihadis were being trained for this purpose," Gokhale told the media.
In the face of imminent danger, a preemptive strike became "absolutely necessary", the foreign secretary said.
Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman briefed Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the operation.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
The Senate of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan are mighty pissed with momin ummah brothers in the Organisation of Islamic Co—Operation (OIC) with regard to the invitation to India to be “Guest of Honour” at the 46th session of the OIC's Council of Foreign Ministers in Abu Dhabi
No resistance from Pakistan against India being Guest of Honour at OIC, says UAE
Clearly UAE Ambassador to India Ahmed Al Banna was indulging in a spot of Mohammadden belief style taqiyyah dissimulation to preserve the Islamic Republics H&D aka Honour and Dignity by claiming “there has been no resistance from any country yet, not even Pakistan”:Senate drops praise for OIC from resolution on Kashmir
Iftikhar A. Khan Updated February 26, 2019
ISLAMABAD: The Senate on Monday dropped Organisation of Islamic Cooperation’s appreciation out of a resolution on post-Pulwama attack developments for its invitation to India to attend the forthcoming meeting of OIC foreign ministers. ………………………..
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No resistance from Pakistan against India being Guest of Honour at OIC, says UAE
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Statement by our Foreign Secretary on air strike on a Mohammadden Terrorist training camp in Balakot that is run by. JeM.
Note Balakot is not in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.
Statement by Foreign Secretary on 26 February 2019 on the Strike on JeM training camp at Balakot
Note Balakot is not in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.
From our MEA Website:Statement by Foreign Secretary on 26 February 2019 on the Strike on JeM training camp at Balakot
February 26, 2019
On 14 February 2019, a suicide terror attack was conducted by a Pak based terrorist organization Jaish-e-Mohammad, leading to the martyrdom of 40 brave jawans of the CRPF. JeM has been active in Pakistan for the last two decades, and is led by MASOOD AZHAR with its headquarters in Bahawalpur.
This organization, which is proscribed by the UN, has been responsible of a series of terrorist attacks including on the Indian Parliament in December 2001 and the Pathankot airbase in January 2016.
Information regarding the location of training camps in Pakistan and PoJK has been provided to Pakistan from time to time. Pakistan, however, denies their existence. The existence of such massive training facilities capable of training hundreds of jihadis could not have functioned without the knowledge of Pakistan authorities.
India has been repeatedly urging Pakistan to take action against the JeM to prevent jihadis from being trained and armed inside Pakistan. Pakistan has taken no concrete actions to dismantle the infrastructure of terrorism on its soil.
Credible intelligence was received that JeM was attempting another suicide terror attack in various parts of the country, and the fidayeen jihadis were being trained for this purpose. In the face of imminent danger, a preemptive strike became absolutely necessary.
In an intelligence led operation in the early hours of today, India struck the biggest training camp of JeM in Balakot. In this operation, a very large number of JeM terrorists, trainers, senior commanders and groups of jihadis who were being trained for fidayeen action were eliminated. This facility at Balakot was headed by MAULANA YOUSUF AZHAR (alias USTAD GHOURI), the brother-in-law of MASOOD AZHAR, Chief of JeM.
The Government of India is firmly and resolutely committed to taking all necessary measures to fight the menace of terrorism. Hence this non-military preemptive action was specifically targeted at the JeM camp. The selection of the target was also conditioned by our desire to avoid civilian casualties. The facility is located in thick forest on a hilltop far away from any civilian presence. As the strike has taken place only a short while ago, we are awaiting further details.
The Government of Pakistan had made a solemn commitment in January 2004 not to allow its soil or territory under its control to be used for terrorism against India. We expect that Pakistan lives up to its public commitment and takes follow up actions to dismantle all JeM and other camps and hold the terrorists accountable for the actions.
New Delhi
February 26, 2019
Statement by Foreign Secretary on 26 February 2019 on the Strike on JeM training camp at Balakot
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Govt borrows Rs2.57tr from SBP in January
KARACHI: The government made a hefty borrowing of Rs2.57 trillion from the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) in January 2019, which pushed the outstanding loans to Rs7.42 trillion at the end of the month, the central bank reported on Monday.
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KARACHI: The government made a hefty borrowing of Rs2.57 trillion from the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) in January 2019, which pushed the outstanding loans to Rs7.42 trillion at the end of the month, the central bank reported on Monday.
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Terroristan - October 8, 2018
IAF strikes: China ditches Pakistan, advocates peace - Saibal Dasgupta
BEIJING: Following India’s strikes on terror camps in Balakot, China on Tuesday sent out a clear signal that it would try to restrain New Delhi and Islamabad from aggravating the conflict instead of standing by its ally, Pakistan.
Chinese foreign ministry said that sound and peaceful relationship between India and Pakistan is essential to maintain peace and stability in the region.
“We hope the two countries would serve the objective of maintaining peace and stability in the region,” the ministry said in reply to a question.
Beijing clearly wants to make sure that the upcoming meeting of Russia, India and China (RIC), which will be attended by external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj and foreign ministers of Russia and China, is not disrupted.
The Chinese foreign ministry also advised India to seek international cooperation to resolve the problem of terrorism.
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BEIJING: Following India’s strikes on terror camps in Balakot, China on Tuesday sent out a clear signal that it would try to restrain New Delhi and Islamabad from aggravating the conflict instead of standing by its ally, Pakistan.
Chinese foreign ministry said that sound and peaceful relationship between India and Pakistan is essential to maintain peace and stability in the region.
“We hope the two countries would serve the objective of maintaining peace and stability in the region,” the ministry said in reply to a question.
Beijing clearly wants to make sure that the upcoming meeting of Russia, India and China (RIC), which will be attended by external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj and foreign ministers of Russia and China, is not disrupted.
The Chinese foreign ministry also advised India to seek international cooperation to resolve the problem of terrorism.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Jaggi of Swarajya mag:
Iron Fist: How To Decode The IAF Attack On Jaish Bases Inside PoK And Pak
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/iron-f ... ok-and-pak
The third point:
Iron Fist: How To Decode The IAF Attack On Jaish Bases Inside PoK And Pak
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/iron-f ... ok-and-pak
The third point:
The fifth point:Third, while the strike against the Balakot terror training camp is retaliatory in nature, given the context of the Pulwama JeM suicide attack on a Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) convoy, the government this time asked the Foreign Secretary, Vijay Gokhale, to brief the media about it. In the post-Uri surgical strike, when a special force crossed the LoC to attack a couple of terror staging posts in PoK, it was the army which held the briefing. The difference between the two briefings is that one indicated the military nature of the surgical strike, while the IAF bombing today is being explained by the diplomatic corps.
Fifth, the use of the phrase “pre-emptive” implies that India is not taking revenge for the Pulwama suicide attack on 14 February, which killed more than 40 CRPF personnel. Instead, it is taking action to prevent future attacks. This is a coded message with double-meanings for Pakistan and the global audience: it means we will not be reactive in future, and can take action in advance of a threat materialising. It is also a simple riposte to Imran Khan’s offer to investigate the Pulwama attack if there is “actionable evidence”. By bombing the JeM training camp, one to which JeM boss Masood Azhar’s brother-in-law Yusuf Azhar was linked, the IAF has asked Imran Khan to look for actionable evidence in the rubble of Balakot.
At another level, it also sends a gentle message to the global community that India is only doing what any other country would have done in such a situation: protect itself. If the international community, including China, does not want an escalation of tensions between two nuclear nations, they must pitch in to restrain a rogue nation like Pakistan from supporting terror groups like JeM.
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
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Former ISI Chief Gen. Asad Durani found guilty of violating military code in The Spy Chronicles co-authored with former RAW Chief AS Dulat. His pension and other post-retirement benefits have been stopped. Among other things he had admitted that Pak created Hurriyat in Kashmir.
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
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Market watch: KSE-100 loses 785 points as Pak-India tensions rise - Our Correspondent
Market watch: KSE-100 loses 785 points as Pak-India tensions rise - Our Correspondent
CheersKARACHI: The stock market had a highly bearish session on Tuesday as the benchmark index remained in the red for the entire day and lost nearly 800 points in the wake of mounting tensions between Pakistan and India.
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
RT's take (RT is a Russian news outlet):
Pakistan-India showdown: What you’re not being told
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/452461-india-p ... terrorism/
Pakistan-India showdown: What you’re not being told
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/452461-india-p ... terrorism/
Well, it appears that JeM and other terrorist organisations in Pakistan receive direct support from key US allies, including and especially Saudi Arabia.
According to Israeli media, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s (MBS) recent visit to Pakistan has essentially cemented Pakistan’s inclusion in anti-Iran Arab NATO. Will these countries rush to Pakistan’s aid as it is pummelled by Indian fighter jets? Or will diplomacy and cooler heads eventually prevail?
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Can some kind folks translate please? https://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/27-Feb-2019/988769
Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Balakot Islamic Terrorist training camp strike by India is described by the US Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo in his statement as “Indian counter-terrorism actions”.
Demands the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan take steps for “de-escalating current tensions by avoiding military action” and also takes “meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil”.
Pompeo’s statement is not the usual equal=equal US statements of old.
Concern Regarding India-Pakistan Tensions
Demands the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan take steps for “de-escalating current tensions by avoiding military action” and also takes “meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil”.
Pompeo’s statement is not the usual equal=equal US statements of old.
From US State Department here:Concern Regarding India-Pakistan Tensions
Press Statement
Michael R. Pompeo
Secretary of State
Washington, DC
February 26, 2019
Following Indian counter-terrorism actions on February 26, I spoke with Indian Minister of External Affairs Swaraj to emphasize our close security partnership and shared goal of maintaining peace and security in the region. I also spoke to Pakistani Foreign Minister Qureshi to underscore the priority of de-escalating current tensions by avoiding military action, and the urgency of Pakistan taking meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil. I expressed to both Ministers that we encourage India and Pakistan to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost. I also encouraged both Ministers to prioritize direct communication and avoid further military activity.
Concern Regarding India-Pakistan Tensions
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Prasad Ji :Prasad wrote:Can some kind folks translate please? https://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/27-Feb-2019/988769
By clicking on the Link I got a "Translate" Icon and it translated into Terroristani English. I can read it but cannot "Copy" same.
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Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Pakistan violates Indian air space: What we know so far
NEW DELHI: Pakistani fighter jets on Wednesday violated Indian air space in Jammu and Kashmir's Poonch and Nowshera sectors but were pushed back by Indian aircraft, senior officials said.
Pakistan violates Indian air space
The Pakistani jets dropped bombs while returning, officials said. There were no immediate reports of any casualties or damage.
"The jets entered Indian air space over Nowshera and Poonch sectors this morning," officials said. They were immediately pushed back by Indian jets on air patrol.
PAF's F 16 shot down 3 km within Pakistani territory
Pakistan Air Force's F-16 that violated Indian air space was shot down in Indian retaliatory fire, 3 kms within Pakistan territory in Lam valley, Nowshera sector, reported ANI. The news agency reported that a parachute was seen as Pakistan Air Force’s F-16 was going down. The condition of the pilot is unknown.
IAF's Mi-17 transport chopper crashes in J&K's Budgam, two dead
Meanwhile, two persons died after a Mi-17 transport chopper crashed in Budgam district, reported ANI.
"Some aircraft has fallen. As of now we are not in a position to ascertain anything. Technical team is here, they'll ascertain facts. We have found two bodies so far and have evacuated them. Search is going on here," SSP Budgam Nagpure Amod Ashok told media here.
Pakistan army spokesperson claims two Indian jets shot down, one pilot arrested
Spokesperson of Pakistan armed forces, Major General Asif Ghafoor, in a tweet, claimed that two Indian Air Force jets were shot down by Pakistan Air Force and one Indian pilot was also arrested.
However, briefing the media, he added that Pakistan had "no engagement with Indian aircraft which crashed on the Indian side (in Budgam)".
Defence sources deny Pakistan's claim
There are no reports of any IAF jet suffering damage in action by India's adversaries, PTI reported quoting defence sources.
Srinagar, Jammu, Leh and several other cities airports closed for civilian air traffic
Srinagar, Jammu and Leh airports were closed for civilian air traffic shortly after an IAF jet crashed in Budgam district and amid escalation of cross-Line of Control shelling between armies of India and Pakistan.
"The civilian air traffic has been suspended temporarily in view of the emergency," an official of the Airport Authority of India told PTI.
While the official did not specify the nature of the emergency, it is believed the step was taken in view of an IAF jet crashing in Budgam district this morning.
Jammu and Leh airports have also been closed for civilian traffic.
Flight operations have also been suspended at Amritsar airport, reported ANI.
Flight operations at Dehradun airport also have been temporarily suspended.
Entire airspace north of Delhi vacated: official sources. Pakistan air space too was closed, AFP reported quoting Pakistan's aviation authority.
Pakistan closes airports of major cities
Pakistan immediately stops its domestic and international flight operations from Lahore, Multan, Faisalabad, Sialkot and Islamabad airports, reported ANI.
Flight operations were suspended across major airports in Pakistan's Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces.
International flights that transit between Indian and Pakistani airspace now being affected. Some flights returning to origin, while others appear to be seeking alternate routing.
Ceasefire violation by Pakistan across LOC
On Wednesday, Pakistan violated ceasefire in Jammu and Kashmir's Uri sector in Baramulla district, officials said. The Indian Army strongly retaliated and effectively to the cross border firing.
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NEW DELHI: Pakistani fighter jets on Wednesday violated Indian air space in Jammu and Kashmir's Poonch and Nowshera sectors but were pushed back by Indian aircraft, senior officials said.
Pakistan violates Indian air space
The Pakistani jets dropped bombs while returning, officials said. There were no immediate reports of any casualties or damage.
"The jets entered Indian air space over Nowshera and Poonch sectors this morning," officials said. They were immediately pushed back by Indian jets on air patrol.
PAF's F 16 shot down 3 km within Pakistani territory
Pakistan Air Force's F-16 that violated Indian air space was shot down in Indian retaliatory fire, 3 kms within Pakistan territory in Lam valley, Nowshera sector, reported ANI. The news agency reported that a parachute was seen as Pakistan Air Force’s F-16 was going down. The condition of the pilot is unknown.
IAF's Mi-17 transport chopper crashes in J&K's Budgam, two dead
Meanwhile, two persons died after a Mi-17 transport chopper crashed in Budgam district, reported ANI.
"Some aircraft has fallen. As of now we are not in a position to ascertain anything. Technical team is here, they'll ascertain facts. We have found two bodies so far and have evacuated them. Search is going on here," SSP Budgam Nagpure Amod Ashok told media here.
Pakistan army spokesperson claims two Indian jets shot down, one pilot arrested
Spokesperson of Pakistan armed forces, Major General Asif Ghafoor, in a tweet, claimed that two Indian Air Force jets were shot down by Pakistan Air Force and one Indian pilot was also arrested.
However, briefing the media, he added that Pakistan had "no engagement with Indian aircraft which crashed on the Indian side (in Budgam)".
Defence sources deny Pakistan's claim
There are no reports of any IAF jet suffering damage in action by India's adversaries, PTI reported quoting defence sources.
Srinagar, Jammu, Leh and several other cities airports closed for civilian air traffic
Srinagar, Jammu and Leh airports were closed for civilian air traffic shortly after an IAF jet crashed in Budgam district and amid escalation of cross-Line of Control shelling between armies of India and Pakistan.
"The civilian air traffic has been suspended temporarily in view of the emergency," an official of the Airport Authority of India told PTI.
While the official did not specify the nature of the emergency, it is believed the step was taken in view of an IAF jet crashing in Budgam district this morning.
Jammu and Leh airports have also been closed for civilian traffic.
Flight operations have also been suspended at Amritsar airport, reported ANI.
Flight operations at Dehradun airport also have been temporarily suspended.
Entire airspace north of Delhi vacated: official sources. Pakistan air space too was closed, AFP reported quoting Pakistan's aviation authority.
Pakistan closes airports of major cities
Pakistan immediately stops its domestic and international flight operations from Lahore, Multan, Faisalabad, Sialkot and Islamabad airports, reported ANI.
Flight operations were suspended across major airports in Pakistan's Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces.
International flights that transit between Indian and Pakistani airspace now being affected. Some flights returning to origin, while others appear to be seeking alternate routing.
Ceasefire violation by Pakistan across LOC
On Wednesday, Pakistan violated ceasefire in Jammu and Kashmir's Uri sector in Baramulla district, officials said. The Indian Army strongly retaliated and effectively to the cross border firing.
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Terroristan - October 8, 2018
IAF strike: US backs India, asks Pakistan to forget military response and shut down terror groups - Chidanand Rajghatta
WASHINGTON: In a statement that left no doubt where its support lies, the Trump administration on Tuesday described India’s airstrike on the Balakot terrorist training facility as “counter-terrorism actions,” emphazised Washington’s close security partnership with India and the shared goal of maintaining peace and security in the region, and told Pakistan to de-escalate current tensions by avoiding military action and take meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil.
US secretary of state Mike Pompeo, who is in Hanoi with President Trump for talks with North Korea’s leader Kim Jong UN, spoke to India’s external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj and her Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi
underscore these points. “I expressed to both Ministers that we encourage India and Pakistan to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost. I also encouraged both Ministers to prioritize direct communication and avoid further military activity,” Pompeo said.
The full text of the statement:
Concern Regarding India-Pakistan Tensions
Following Indian counter-terrorism actions on February 26, I spoke with Indian Minister of External Affairs Swaraj to emphasize our close security partnership and shared goal of aintaining peace and security in the region. I also spoke to Pakistani Foreign Minister Qureshi to underscore the priority of de-escalating current tensions by avoiding military action, and the urgency of Pakistan taking meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil. I expressed to both Ministers that we encourage India and Pakistan to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost. I also encouraged both Ministers to prioritize direct communication and avoid further military activity.
The US statement, by its very wording, tone, and sequence, acknowledged India’s right to conduct the punitive strikes against terrorist camps that were first recorded by US’ own ntelligence in 2004. Although the statement eventually encouraged both India and Pakistan to exercise restraint, it put the onus on Islamabad to do so by abjuring military response against India and instead directing meaningful action against terrorist groups.
Read also : IAF shoots down Pak F-16 that violated Indian Air Space
The US statement on the subject comes hours after Pakistan’s military spokesman Abdul Ghafoor threatened the country would retaliate at a time and place of it’s choosing, following up on his Prime Minister Imran Khan’s warning that Pakistan will not only consider retaliation but WILL retaliate against any Indian attack.
Neither man mentioned the cause of the tensions: Pakistan’s unceasing hosting and use against India of terrorist groups that have been identified worldwide and proscribed by the United Nations.
Pakistan continues to coddle the Jaish-e-Mohammed despite the group taking credit and boasting about the Pulwama suicide bombing that killed more than 40 Indian paramilitary forces. In fact, Pakistani extremists and trolls celebrated the deaths on social media.
Throughout last week, the Trump administration indicated it supported India’s right to self-defense against such Pakistani terrorist depredations, exercising far less restraint than previous US administrations headed by Presidents Obama and Bush.
Indeed, world opinion, except for a few members of the Jammu and Kashmir contact group at the OIC, has solidly lined up behind New Delhi, the outcome of long years of restraint against
Pakistan’s use of terrorism.
In Video: US warns Pakistan, asks to act against terror groups
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WASHINGTON: In a statement that left no doubt where its support lies, the Trump administration on Tuesday described India’s airstrike on the Balakot terrorist training facility as “counter-terrorism actions,” emphazised Washington’s close security partnership with India and the shared goal of maintaining peace and security in the region, and told Pakistan to de-escalate current tensions by avoiding military action and take meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil.
US secretary of state Mike Pompeo, who is in Hanoi with President Trump for talks with North Korea’s leader Kim Jong UN, spoke to India’s external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj and her Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi
underscore these points. “I expressed to both Ministers that we encourage India and Pakistan to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost. I also encouraged both Ministers to prioritize direct communication and avoid further military activity,” Pompeo said.
The full text of the statement:
Concern Regarding India-Pakistan Tensions
Following Indian counter-terrorism actions on February 26, I spoke with Indian Minister of External Affairs Swaraj to emphasize our close security partnership and shared goal of aintaining peace and security in the region. I also spoke to Pakistani Foreign Minister Qureshi to underscore the priority of de-escalating current tensions by avoiding military action, and the urgency of Pakistan taking meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil. I expressed to both Ministers that we encourage India and Pakistan to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost. I also encouraged both Ministers to prioritize direct communication and avoid further military activity.
The US statement, by its very wording, tone, and sequence, acknowledged India’s right to conduct the punitive strikes against terrorist camps that were first recorded by US’ own ntelligence in 2004. Although the statement eventually encouraged both India and Pakistan to exercise restraint, it put the onus on Islamabad to do so by abjuring military response against India and instead directing meaningful action against terrorist groups.
Read also : IAF shoots down Pak F-16 that violated Indian Air Space
The US statement on the subject comes hours after Pakistan’s military spokesman Abdul Ghafoor threatened the country would retaliate at a time and place of it’s choosing, following up on his Prime Minister Imran Khan’s warning that Pakistan will not only consider retaliation but WILL retaliate against any Indian attack.
Neither man mentioned the cause of the tensions: Pakistan’s unceasing hosting and use against India of terrorist groups that have been identified worldwide and proscribed by the United Nations.
Pakistan continues to coddle the Jaish-e-Mohammed despite the group taking credit and boasting about the Pulwama suicide bombing that killed more than 40 Indian paramilitary forces. In fact, Pakistani extremists and trolls celebrated the deaths on social media.
Throughout last week, the Trump administration indicated it supported India’s right to self-defense against such Pakistani terrorist depredations, exercising far less restraint than previous US administrations headed by Presidents Obama and Bush.
Indeed, world opinion, except for a few members of the Jammu and Kashmir contact group at the OIC, has solidly lined up behind New Delhi, the outcome of long years of restraint against
Pakistan’s use of terrorism.
In Video: US warns Pakistan, asks to act against terror groups
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Full text of official Ministry of External Affairs statement without comment for good order.
Statement by Official Spokesperson on 27 February 2019
February 27, 2019
India had informed about Counter Terrorism (CT) action it took yesterday against a training camp of Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) in Pakistan based on credible evidence that JeM intended to launch more attacks. Against this Counter Terrorism Action, Pakistan has responded this morning by using its Air Force to target military installations on the Indian side. Due to our high state of readiness and alertness, Pakistan’s attempts were foiled successfully.
The Pakistan Air Force was detected and the Indian Air Force responded instantly. In that aerial engagement, one Pakistan Air Force fighter aircraft was shot down by a MiG 21 Bison of the Indian Air Force. The Pakistani aircraft was seen by ground forces falling from the sky on the Pakistan side. In this engagement, we have unfortunately lost one MiG 21. The pilot is missing in action. Pakistan has claimed that he is in their custody. We are ascertaining the facts.
New Delhi
February 27, 2019
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
South Asian escalation
[url=Ihttps://www.economist.com/asia/2019/02/26/india ... ist-attack]Indian warplanes strike Pakistan in reprisal for a terrorist attack - But in Pakistan’s version, Indian jets were quickly rebuffed[/url]
INDIANS AND Pakistanis awoke on the morning of February 26th to alarming, if contradictory, news. Indian fighter jets bombed an alleged terrorist training camp in Pakistan overnight, officials in Delhi said, in retaliation for a suicide attack that killed some 40 soldiers in Indian-administered Kashmir two weeks ago. They claimed the strike, near the town of Balakot north of Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, destroyed a “massive” facility run by Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM), a jihadist group that took responsibility for the terror attack on February 14th. Unofficial Indian sources estimated the air-raid may have killed as many as 300 jihadists.
Pakistan, however, denies any casualties or damage, but issued a vague threat that it will respond in its own time. In a social-media post its military spokesman admitted that Indian aircraft had intruded briefly into Pakistani airspace, but said that when challenged they had “released payloads in haste while escaping”. Reuters, reporting from near the site of the raid, quoted villagers as saying they had heard bombs in the night, but no one was seriously hurt.
In a morning press conference Vijay Gokhale, India’s foreign secretary, offered indirect reassurance that India does not seek further escalation. He emphasised that the raid was “non-military” in nature—a way of saying it did not target Pakistan’s formal army—and was designed to avoid civilian casualties. He described the action as pre-emptive, and based on intelligence that JeM was planning further cross-border suicide attacks. He repeated India’s protest that despite repeated requests, backed by evidence, Pakistan had taken no concrete action to dismantle “the infrastructure of terrorism”.
The sharp discrepancy over details of the airstrike is not unprecedented. In 2016, following a JeM attack on an Indian army base in Kashmir that left 19 soldiers dead, India claimed to have mounted a series of cross-border commando raids in response, killing numerous jihadists. Pakistan simply denied that it had detected any military action. The wide gap between the two countries’ versions suggests a tacit understanding that neither of the rival nuclear powers wishes to push things too far. In this game India, where the prime concern of governments is to win elections, will make maximum patriotic show of any incident. Pakistan, however, whose army pretends it does not really sponsor terror groups, when everyone knows it does, and which has a long-term aim of prising Muslim-majority Kashmir from India, will minimise its importance.
This familiar scenario is especially applicable just now. Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, faces a crucial election in April, and badly wants to flex India’s muscle to impress voters. Pakistan’s army, meanwhile, is keen to exploit deepening troubles in Indian-administered Kashmir, where the chronically restless population has grown increasingly angry with Mr Modi’s heavy-handed rule.
But this is not just a game. India’s patience with Pakistani meddling really has worn dangerously thin. Repeatedly over the past three decades, Pakistan-based jihadist groups have struck targets in India, and repeatedly Pakistan has done little more to punish them than give a light slap on the wrist.
Whatever the true scope of the Indian strike, it does represent a significant shift in the fraught relations between the countries, which have fought three big wars, several smaller ones and uncounted skirmishes across a 2,000 mile-long border. The raid marks the first use of air-power between the two countries since their last full-out war, in 1971. It also marks the first time since then that India has struck deep inside Pakistani territory, breaking an unspoken rule that confined previous military engagements—such as tit-for-tat artillery exchanges, or “capture the flag” cross-border raids—to the disputed and divided territory of Kashmir. India or Pakistan “proper” were considered out of bounds.
This means that India has, in effect, thrown a gauntlet down to Pakistan. The message is that it can no longer so easily hide behind its nuclear deterrent, and global fears of escalation, while allowing its proxies to take potshots at a much bigger and richer neighbour.
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[url=Ihttps://www.economist.com/asia/2019/02/26/india ... ist-attack]Indian warplanes strike Pakistan in reprisal for a terrorist attack - But in Pakistan’s version, Indian jets were quickly rebuffed[/url]
INDIANS AND Pakistanis awoke on the morning of February 26th to alarming, if contradictory, news. Indian fighter jets bombed an alleged terrorist training camp in Pakistan overnight, officials in Delhi said, in retaliation for a suicide attack that killed some 40 soldiers in Indian-administered Kashmir two weeks ago. They claimed the strike, near the town of Balakot north of Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, destroyed a “massive” facility run by Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM), a jihadist group that took responsibility for the terror attack on February 14th. Unofficial Indian sources estimated the air-raid may have killed as many as 300 jihadists.
Pakistan, however, denies any casualties or damage, but issued a vague threat that it will respond in its own time. In a social-media post its military spokesman admitted that Indian aircraft had intruded briefly into Pakistani airspace, but said that when challenged they had “released payloads in haste while escaping”. Reuters, reporting from near the site of the raid, quoted villagers as saying they had heard bombs in the night, but no one was seriously hurt.
In a morning press conference Vijay Gokhale, India’s foreign secretary, offered indirect reassurance that India does not seek further escalation. He emphasised that the raid was “non-military” in nature—a way of saying it did not target Pakistan’s formal army—and was designed to avoid civilian casualties. He described the action as pre-emptive, and based on intelligence that JeM was planning further cross-border suicide attacks. He repeated India’s protest that despite repeated requests, backed by evidence, Pakistan had taken no concrete action to dismantle “the infrastructure of terrorism”.
The sharp discrepancy over details of the airstrike is not unprecedented. In 2016, following a JeM attack on an Indian army base in Kashmir that left 19 soldiers dead, India claimed to have mounted a series of cross-border commando raids in response, killing numerous jihadists. Pakistan simply denied that it had detected any military action. The wide gap between the two countries’ versions suggests a tacit understanding that neither of the rival nuclear powers wishes to push things too far. In this game India, where the prime concern of governments is to win elections, will make maximum patriotic show of any incident. Pakistan, however, whose army pretends it does not really sponsor terror groups, when everyone knows it does, and which has a long-term aim of prising Muslim-majority Kashmir from India, will minimise its importance.
This familiar scenario is especially applicable just now. Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, faces a crucial election in April, and badly wants to flex India’s muscle to impress voters. Pakistan’s army, meanwhile, is keen to exploit deepening troubles in Indian-administered Kashmir, where the chronically restless population has grown increasingly angry with Mr Modi’s heavy-handed rule.
But this is not just a game. India’s patience with Pakistani meddling really has worn dangerously thin. Repeatedly over the past three decades, Pakistan-based jihadist groups have struck targets in India, and repeatedly Pakistan has done little more to punish them than give a light slap on the wrist.
Whatever the true scope of the Indian strike, it does represent a significant shift in the fraught relations between the countries, which have fought three big wars, several smaller ones and uncounted skirmishes across a 2,000 mile-long border. The raid marks the first use of air-power between the two countries since their last full-out war, in 1971. It also marks the first time since then that India has struck deep inside Pakistani territory, breaking an unspoken rule that confined previous military engagements—such as tit-for-tat artillery exchanges, or “capture the flag” cross-border raids—to the disputed and divided territory of Kashmir. India or Pakistan “proper” were considered out of bounds.
This means that India has, in effect, thrown a gauntlet down to Pakistan. The message is that it can no longer so easily hide behind its nuclear deterrent, and global fears of escalation, while allowing its proxies to take potshots at a much bigger and richer neighbour.
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Terroristan - October 8, 2018
India gives Pakistan dossier on JeM role in Pulwama terror attack
NEW DELHI: India on Wednesday handed over to Pakistan a dossier with specific details of Jaish-e-Mohammed's complicity in the Pulwama terror attack. In the dossier, India also provided details of the presence of JeM terror camps and its leadership in Pakistan.
The dossier was handed over to the acting high commissioner of Pakistan Syed Haider Shah, who was summoned this afternoon by MEA to lodge a strong protest at the unprovoked act of aggression by Pakistan against India, including violation of the Indian air space by Pakistan Air Force and targeting of Indian military posts.
The deputy high commissioner was told that India expects Pakistan to take immediate and verifiable action against terrorism emanating from territories under its control.
Regret was expressed at continuing denial by Pakistan’s political and military leadership at the presence of terrorist infrastructure on territories under its control.
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NEW DELHI: India on Wednesday handed over to Pakistan a dossier with specific details of Jaish-e-Mohammed's complicity in the Pulwama terror attack. In the dossier, India also provided details of the presence of JeM terror camps and its leadership in Pakistan.
The dossier was handed over to the acting high commissioner of Pakistan Syed Haider Shah, who was summoned this afternoon by MEA to lodge a strong protest at the unprovoked act of aggression by Pakistan against India, including violation of the Indian air space by Pakistan Air Force and targeting of Indian military posts.
The deputy high commissioner was told that India expects Pakistan to take immediate and verifiable action against terrorism emanating from territories under its control.
Regret was expressed at continuing denial by Pakistan’s political and military leadership at the presence of terrorist infrastructure on territories under its control.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Help!
I know Pakistan has always considered India to be an existential threat.
But is there anything in the Indian strategic or military literature that discusses Pakistan as an existential threat to India?
I know Pakistan has always considered India to be an existential threat.
But is there anything in the Indian strategic or military literature that discusses Pakistan as an existential threat to India?
Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Govt unmoved by Pakistan PM Imran Khan's speech, face-off could escalate - Indrani Bagchi
NEW DELHI: Unmoved by Pakistan PM [url=Ihttps://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Imran-Khan]mran Khan's[/url] overture for talks, which he couched with the risk of nuclear escalation, India said Wednesday's aerial battle along the LoC was an act of aggression, raising the prospects of a fresh escalation. Highlighting this, New Delhi issued a demarche to acting Pakistan high commissioner Syed Haidar Shah.
India's submission, which came even as PM Narendra Modi held discussions with three service chiefs, raises the possibility of retaliatory action against what India said was an "unprovoked act of aggression, including violation of Indian air space by the Pakistan Air Force and targeting of Indian military posts".
In response to Khan's talks offer, high commissioner Shah was given a dossier with what India said were "specific details and JeM complicity in the Pulwama attack and presence of JeM terror camps and its leadership in Pakistan".
Khan’s long statement, in which he dwelled on the dangers of miscalculation, said he recognised the hurt caused by the Pulwama attack and said he is ready for any kind of dialogue on terrorism. "But I would like to tell you again, that right now, better sense should prevail. We should sit down and talk about our problems," he said.
India expressed regret at Pakistan's continuing denial of terrorist infrastructure by its political and military leaders.
The view in the Indian leadership seemed to be that Khan's remarks are a ruse to secure de-escalation without any significant concessions and that Pakistan's bid to establish some equivalence through its LoC raid needs to be responded to firmly without handing out any fig leaves to Islamabad.
Pakistan's claim that the foray of its jets at the LoC was only to signal its capacity to retaliate to the IAF strike on Balakot, and Khan's warning that miscalculations could leave neither him or Modi in control of events, did not wash with India which said the two incidents are not comparable.
The Indian demarche said the Pakistani "aggression" is in contrast to India's 'non-military pre-emptive' strike at a Jaish-e-Mohammad terror camp on Tuesday. "It is clearly conveyed that India reserves the right to take firm and decisive action to protect its national integrity against any act of aggression or cross-border terrorism," he said.
While any retaliation - and consequent escalation - is not ruled out, it is clear that a pledge to discuss terrorism is not likely to be sufficient for a reduction in tensions. The Indian position was clearly outlined by a call for immediate and verifiable action against terrorism sourced from territory under Pakistan's control.
The reiteration that India will respond to terrorism sourced from Pakistan is seen as India's answer to Khan's speech where his reason for Pakistan air force action was that its sole purpose was to convey that "if you can come into our country, we can do the same".
India said Pakistan's jets were targeting military posts, particularly ammunition dumps.
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NEW DELHI: Unmoved by Pakistan PM [url=Ihttps://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Imran-Khan]mran Khan's[/url] overture for talks, which he couched with the risk of nuclear escalation, India said Wednesday's aerial battle along the LoC was an act of aggression, raising the prospects of a fresh escalation. Highlighting this, New Delhi issued a demarche to acting Pakistan high commissioner Syed Haidar Shah.
India's submission, which came even as PM Narendra Modi held discussions with three service chiefs, raises the possibility of retaliatory action against what India said was an "unprovoked act of aggression, including violation of Indian air space by the Pakistan Air Force and targeting of Indian military posts".
In response to Khan's talks offer, high commissioner Shah was given a dossier with what India said were "specific details and JeM complicity in the Pulwama attack and presence of JeM terror camps and its leadership in Pakistan".
Khan’s long statement, in which he dwelled on the dangers of miscalculation, said he recognised the hurt caused by the Pulwama attack and said he is ready for any kind of dialogue on terrorism. "But I would like to tell you again, that right now, better sense should prevail. We should sit down and talk about our problems," he said.
India expressed regret at Pakistan's continuing denial of terrorist infrastructure by its political and military leaders.
The view in the Indian leadership seemed to be that Khan's remarks are a ruse to secure de-escalation without any significant concessions and that Pakistan's bid to establish some equivalence through its LoC raid needs to be responded to firmly without handing out any fig leaves to Islamabad.
Pakistan's claim that the foray of its jets at the LoC was only to signal its capacity to retaliate to the IAF strike on Balakot, and Khan's warning that miscalculations could leave neither him or Modi in control of events, did not wash with India which said the two incidents are not comparable.
The Indian demarche said the Pakistani "aggression" is in contrast to India's 'non-military pre-emptive' strike at a Jaish-e-Mohammad terror camp on Tuesday. "It is clearly conveyed that India reserves the right to take firm and decisive action to protect its national integrity against any act of aggression or cross-border terrorism," he said.
While any retaliation - and consequent escalation - is not ruled out, it is clear that a pledge to discuss terrorism is not likely to be sufficient for a reduction in tensions. The Indian position was clearly outlined by a call for immediate and verifiable action against terrorism sourced from territory under Pakistan's control.
The reiteration that India will respond to terrorism sourced from Pakistan is seen as India's answer to Khan's speech where his reason for Pakistan air force action was that its sole purpose was to convey that "if you can come into our country, we can do the same".
India said Pakistan's jets were targeting military posts, particularly ammunition dumps.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
seems like porkis are waking up their forefathers before they go to sleep in US and UK. Time to hit is soon.