Terroristan - October 8, 2018

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby CalvinH » 08 Apr 2019 00:51

Peregrine wrote:Dear Prime Minister - Dr Farrukh Saleem



Last week, a friend and I went to a high-end restaurant. The manager came up to our table and began discussing his predicament. Over the past ten months, he said, his daily sale has come down from Rs700,000 to Rs300,000. A waiter at the same restaurant told us that his tips have fallen from Rs1,100 a day to Rs500.

Sheikh sahib owns a low-end ‘tikka-shop’. Last night, Sheikh sahib told us that he has been in this business since 1998. Over the past six months, he said, his daily sale has come down from Rs75,000 to Rs25,000. He cannot now afford to keep all his employees working.



So high end restaurant was making 25.5 Cr/Annum and low end tikka shop 3 Cr/annum some time ago? Mashallah!!

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Bart S » 08 Apr 2019 02:04

CalvinH wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Dear Prime Minister - Dr Farrukh Saleem



Last week, a friend and I went to a high-end restaurant. The manager came up to our table and began discussing his predicament. Over the past ten months, he said, his daily sale has come down from Rs700,000 to Rs300,000. A waiter at the same restaurant told us that his tips have fallen from Rs1,100 a day to Rs500.

Sheikh sahib owns a low-end ‘tikka-shop’. Last night, Sheikh sahib told us that he has been in this business since 1998. Over the past six months, he said, his daily sale has come down from Rs75,000 to Rs25,000. He cannot now afford to keep all his employees working.



So high end restaurant was making 25.5 Cr/Annum and low end tikka shop 3 Cr/annum some time ago? Mashallah!!


Probably made up story and numbers, Farrukh Saleem is known to be a bigger moron and gasbag than Qureshi.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 08 Apr 2019 02:32

He is like a women scorned.He was picked up as an economic adviser in Im the charsi's team. Fawad Chaudhary did not like that his turf as the exclusive spokesman in Imran Khan's team team was being invaded and got him removed. Since then the guys has been on various paki talk shows and spilling the beans on the ineptness in PTI. He was the first to reveal how exchange rate of 180 to the $ and prime lending rate of 12.5% is being dictated by world bank and is being factored in by the Paki govt.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby sum » 08 Apr 2019 05:55

VikramA wrote:MEA just called out the lunacy of Qureshi

India rejects the irresponsible and preposterous statement by the FM of with a clear objective of whipping up war hysteria in the region. This public gimmick appears to be a call to Pakistan-based terrorists to undertake a terror attack in India. It has been made clear to Pakistan that it cannot absolve itself of responsibility of a cross border terrorist attack in India. No attempt at creating an alibi for its complicity in such attacks will succeed: MEA

Beautiful statement by MEA.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Anujan » 08 Apr 2019 09:32

Sometimes clues to the TFTA thinking can be gleaned by what their bots are peddling on social media.

Apparently an "Islamic presidential system" is the best form of government for Pakistan.

So are the TFTAs tiring with dimran?

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Anujan » 08 Apr 2019 09:36

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakista ... 1.63033953

Apparently China is spending 250m to build Pakistan's biggest airport in ... Gwadar.

Last I heard, there were only goat sheds there. What's the need for an airport bigger than isloo airport. That too free?

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Skanda » 08 Apr 2019 10:18

sum wrote:
VikramA wrote:MEA just called out the lunacy of Qureshi

India rejects the irresponsible and preposterous statement by the FM of with a clear objective of whipping up war hysteria in the region. This public gimmick appears to be a call to Pakistan-based terrorists to undertake a terror attack in India. It has been made clear to Pakistan that it cannot absolve itself of responsibility of a cross border terrorist attack in India. No attempt at creating an alibi for its complicity in such attacks will succeed: MEA

Beautiful statement by MEA.
One cannot escape the danda of the Saffron Bandit


Why should the MEA refute such claims. Cant they say, "Mr. FM has gotten the dates incorrect." That would have made these folks jump like monkeys.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby vimal » 08 Apr 2019 10:22

Anujan wrote:https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/pakistans-gwadar-international-airport-will-be-the-largest-in-the-country-1.63033953

Apparently China is spending 250m to build Pakistan's biggest airport in ... Gwadar.

Last I heard, there were only goat sheds there. What's the need for an airport bigger than isloo airport. That too free?


Nothing is free from uncle Xi!
Pak has to pay back with 6% interest at dollar denominated rates.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby manjgu » 08 Apr 2019 10:52

next year napakis have to repay close to 32 Billion USD !!

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby yensoy » 08 Apr 2019 11:33

Anujan wrote:https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/pakistans-gwadar-international-airport-will-be-the-largest-in-the-country-1.63033953
Apparently China is spending 250m to build Pakistan's biggest airport in ... Gwadar.
Last I heard, there were only goat sheds there. What's the need for an airport bigger than isloo airport. That too free?


This will be needed for PLAAF's Gwadar AFB, no other reason.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby srin » 08 Apr 2019 11:57

Anujan wrote:https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/pakistans-gwadar-international-airport-will-be-the-largest-in-the-country-1.63033953

Apparently China is spending 250m to build Pakistan's biggest airport in ... Gwadar.

Last I heard, there were only goat sheds there. What's the need for an airport bigger than isloo airport. That too free?


Reminds me of the Hambantota airport saga.

This is a dualistic version of greater fool theory in action. I wonder who is fooling whom here - are the Chinese screwing Bakis with debt or are Bakis screwing Chinese and pulling a Mallya on them ?

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Lisa » 08 Apr 2019 12:20

Peregrine wrote:Dear Prime Minister - Dr Farrukh Saleem

A year ago a monthly salary of Rs50,000 was considered reasonable. Two days ago, I asked a cameraman about his gas bill. He said Rs15,000. That’s more than 15 percent of his salary.

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Sialkot stats, 15,000 is now 15% of 50,000!

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Kashi » 08 Apr 2019 12:40

Lisa wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Dear Prime Minister - Dr Farrukh Saleem

A year ago a monthly salary of Rs50,000 was considered reasonable. Two days ago, I asked a cameraman about his gas bill. He said Rs15,000. That’s more than 15 percent of his salary.

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Sialkot stats, 15,000 is now 15% of 50,000!


To be (un)fair, he did say "more than 15%", 30% is definitely more than 15%, although as Sialkoti as it gets.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby yensoy » 08 Apr 2019 13:33

Kashi wrote:
Lisa wrote:Sialkot stats, 15,000 is now 15% of 50,000!

To be (un)fair, he did say "more than 15%", 30% is definitely more than 15%, although as Sialkoti as it gets.

I re-read that statement too. The author didn't say that his cameraman got a salary of 50k, just that 50k was considered reasonable. I guess his cameraman drew a salary of one lakh.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Manish_P » 08 Apr 2019 15:33

A gas bill of 15,000?

Isn't that extremely high.. even after taking into account the PNR to INR conversion

What all appliances is the household running using the gas?

Or by gas are they referring to petrol?

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby mmasand » 08 Apr 2019 15:39

Manish_P wrote:A gas bill of 15,000?

Isn't that extremely high.. even after taking into account the PNR to INR conversion

What all appliances is the household running using the gas?

Or by gas are they referring to petrol?


Just Gas, heating + cooking. It's an expensive proposition feeding a family of 6. Also, they depend on diesel generators for electricity due to frequent load shedding in Lahore, Karachi and tier 2 cities.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Manish_P » 08 Apr 2019 15:53

Oh. In my family of 3, we use piped gas for cooking and hot water baths (gas geyser). The bill is never more than 1,500 INR a month. Never had to use it for heating though, so that may account for it.

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 08 Apr 2019 16:02

Anujan wrote:Pakistan’s Gwadar International Airport will be the largest in the country
Apparently China is spending 250m to build Pakistan's biggest airport in ... Gwadar.

Last I heard, there were only goat sheds there. What's the need for an airport bigger than isloo airport. That too free?
vimal wrote:Nothing is free from uncle Xi!
Pak has to pay back with 6% interest at dollar denominated rates.
vimal Ji :

HERE COME THE CLINCHER : The repayment will be made at Pak Rupees 97 to the U S Dollar! UB AYEEGA MUZA! :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Manish_P » 08 Apr 2019 17:07

Sir, isn't repayment at 97 PKR to the USD better than repayment at 145 PKR to the USD.. for the Pakis?

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby gakakkad » 08 Apr 2019 17:24

Manish_P wrote:Sir, isn't repayment at 97 PKR to the USD better than repayment at 145 PKR to the USD.. for the Pakis?


It means they ll have to pay more USD . Eg if they took a 97 million pkr loan ,it amounts to 1 m USD . Let's say the currency depreciated to 1 USD = 194 pkr . They ll still have to pay back the 97 million pkr at the older agreed upon exchange rate . In a nutshell , it's china given loans at a high interest rate (almost the rate the pakee bonds are worth) , and occupying the territory and asking them to pay back with interest something they most certainly won't be able to .

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Manish_P » 08 Apr 2019 17:37

Borrowing and repayment both in USD. Got it. Thanks

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby sarathy » 08 Apr 2019 19:05

Peregrine wrote:
Anujan wrote:Pakistan’s Gwadar International Airport will be the largest in the country
Apparently China is spending 250m to build Pakistan's biggest airport in ... Gwadar.

Last I heard, there were only goat sheds there. What's the need for an airport bigger than isloo airport. That too free?
vimal wrote:Nothing is free from uncle Xi!
Pak has to pay back with 6% interest at dollar denominated rates.
vimal Ji :

HERE COME THE CLINCHER : The repayment will be made at Pak Rupees 97 to the U S Dollar! UB AYEEGA MUZA! :rotfl:

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China lost 30% already? :twisted:

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Bart S » 08 Apr 2019 20:48

sarathy wrote:
Peregrine wrote:vimal Ji :

HERE COME THE CLINCHER : The repayment will be made at Pak Rupees 97 to the U S Dollar! UB AYEEGA MUZA! :rotfl:

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China lost 30% already? :twisted:


Nope. Read the posts above. Pakis are the losers.

Chinese of course could end up losing everything if the Pakis default, but they have Gwader and land as collateral so they will still come up on top.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 09 Apr 2019 00:48

manjgu wrote:next year napakis have to repay close to 32 Billion USD !!


Even if we assume the 3 sugar daddy's (Saudi, UAE and China) were to double the aid they gave this year (from $9 Billion to $18 Billion) and that is a big IF the pakis do not have the remaining balance to make the payment.So a default is imminent next year.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Anujan » 09 Apr 2019 01:42

The 250M for the airport seems to be a grant. Not a loan. So cheenis are actually footing the bill.

Which means that they get to operate the airport (at a minimum). Since there are only goat sheds in the region, they cannot hope to make up the investment in landing fees. Which only means that it is an air base to support their maritime patrol aircraft and/or service ship borne fighters stationed at Gwadar port.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby jpremnath » 09 Apr 2019 01:58

250Mil$ is around 1750 crores INR. The new terminal building at kochi airport cost around 1000 crores without runway or other infra...So we are talking about a really small airport which will end up as an air force base...

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 09 Apr 2019 02:56

Peregrine wrote:vimal Ji :

HERE COME THE CLINCHER : The repayment will be made at Pak Rupees 97 to the U S Dollar! UB AYEEGA MUZA! :rotfl:

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sarathy wrote:China lost 30% already? :twisted:
sarathy Ji :
The Chinese ain't that dumb. The Chinese will earn a lot of Revenue in Terroristani Rupees. The Terroristani Rupees will be converted by the Terroristanis at T. Rs. 97 to the US$ Dollar!

Kapish?

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Apr 2019 03:33

X Posted on the Analyzing CPEC Thread

The geoeconomics of CPEC Muhammad Amir Rana

GRAPPLING with a crippling economic crisis at home, Pakistan is compelled to tread slowly and carefully in the emerging geoeconomics and politics of the region. Although financial help and support from China, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have contributed to partially resolving the country’s balance of payments crisis, yet an IMF bailout seems inevitable. Some would translate it as a return to old partners in the West — or the US to be more precise.

The outgoing government used the investment under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) not only to overcome the energy crisis and infrastructure-building but also to counter pressure from the US, which was growing with the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan. The previous government also tried to maintain Pakistan’s traditional policy of keeping a balance in its relationship with Saudi Arabia and Iran and, therefore, withstood pressure to send Pakistani troops into Yemen.

The government of Prime Minister Imran Khan has apparently completely revised Pakistan’s Middle East policy. There is an impression in national and international policy circles that, in the process of economic recovery, Pakistan has lost its geopolitical equilibrium as well.

CPEC, which was until recently being projected as a game-changer for the country and the region, has lost its attraction in policy discourse.

In the process of rationalisation of CPEC projects, Pakistan has put many projects on hold, thus discouraging private Chinese companies and individuals from investing in the special economic zones (SEZs). Beijing has supported Mr Khan’s idea of rationalising CPEC projects for two major reasons. First, the aggravating economic situation in Pakistan has made China concerned about the repayment of the loans it has provided for CPEC projects. Second, China wanted to give time to Pakistan’s new government to overcome its economic challenges, for which it also provided a couple of bailout packages. The government also tried very hard to diversify its options for the foreign investment, and succeeded to a certain extent — but with a heavy price.

Pakistan is fast losing balance in its relationship with Iran and Saudi Arabia. The $10 billion Saudi pledge for a refinery and petrochemicals complex in Gwadar has not only come as cause for caution for Iran, but also China. The latter has concerns that it may lead to Saudi-Iranian proxy warfare in the coastal region, at the bottleneck of CPEC. The Baloch in Gwadar also see the refinery in the context of Iran-Saudi Arabia rivalry. They believe it will bring in US influence due to the common strategic objectives of the Saudis and Americans against Iran. Though the refinery would be set up about 100 kilometres away from the Pakistan-Iran border, it will continue to perturb China.

Pakistan’s support for talks between the Afghan Taliban and the US is widely welcomed. It could become a hugely positive contribution to regional peace if reconciliation is achieved. But many in Pakistan are also arguing about what this country has achieved so far through the facilitation of a peace process. An IMF bailout package could be one but, at the same time, the US is not willing to reduce pressure on Pakistan on multiple strategic fronts. It is believed Pakistan could have gained much more had it extended its support for the peace process a few years ago, when the Obama administration was desperate to achieve a peaceful resolution in Afghanistan.

It is not the economy alone that has pushed Pakistan to a restricted geopolitical position but also the militant groups. Some analysts even suspect that the Afghan Taliban will remain a reliable ally of Pakistan after entering into a peace agreement in Afghanistan. Certainly, by bringing the Taliban to the table, Pakistan has done what it had been avoiding for several years. Internal security and economic challenges notwithstanding, international compulsions and obligations are also bearing upon Pakistan’s policy responses.

Looking ahead, Pakistan needs to develop a geoeconomics framework of engagement with its neighbours and allies. This country can make sure that Saudi investment is coming with no geostrategic strings attached, and that it would be for economic purposes only under the compulsion of the Saudi Vision 2030. Pakistan must not allow any proxy group to use its soil against neighbours. Though it would be difficult to maintain such a relationship with an assertive Saudi regime, Pakistan can maintain a balance through a China-Pakistan-Iran economic partnership.

To balance the Iran-Afghanistan-India bond of Chabahar port, China and Pakistan can work towards connecting Chabahar and Gwadar ports. China and Iran have both hinted at the ports’ connectivity through joint initiatives. Chinese academics consider a trade relationship with Iran via Gwadar as one of the major outcomes of CPEC. Pakistan also needs to speed up transnational energy projects with Afghanistan, apart from taking initiatives to boost bilateral trade.

Though CPEC has not fulfilled the expectations of the common man, especially in Balochistan – where it has not generated the expected economic activities and employment opportunities for the local people – yet speedy development on the SEZs in Gwadar can address their many grievances. The Balochistan government is inviting domestic and foreign donors and investors for infrastructure projects, which can attract private Chinese investors, who are moving towards East and Central Asia. New Chinese investors are desperately looking for investment avenues across the world, mainly in Asia.

The US role in the region is not expected to subside even after a peace agreement with the Taliban is reached. Pakistan will remain an important working partner, if not strategic ally, for the US in the Indian Ocean and in neighbouring regions. For that, the relationship has to be taken out of the shadows of mistrust and non-state actors.

It is often heard in strategic policy discussions in the federal capital that Pakistan is changing its focus from geostrategic to geoeconomics, but this transition needs a clear direction. Pakistan has to set out priorities of a traditional zero-sum game to ensure that its relationship with one nation do not come at the cost of its relationship with another. This country does not have a multiplicity of options to attract foreign investment, and those that are available need to be fully harnessed.

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Apr 2019 03:56

Much worse to come - S. Akbar Zaidi

ALL those who had hoped that Pakistan’s economy may have finally hit rock-bottom and may just have turned a corner, and that the wreck created by the finance minister and his team might have stabilised, are in for a rude shock. We are still at the beginning of the huge damage relentlessly being done to Pakistan’s economy by an irresponsible and incompetent management and leadership which has destroyed the economy over the last eight months.

It certainly did not add to anyone’s confidence when the finance minister himself was recently reported to have said that “Pakistan may be going through an economic crisis”, or that we are “near bankruptcy”, a view shared by the adviser to the prime minister on commerce, textile, industry and production and investment who also said that the economy was in a “bad shape”. The governor of the State Bank, agreed, adding his sombre and dire statement about where we are today, warning about dismal prospects in the future, politely saying that growth will ‘moderate significantly”. However, be warned, things are about to get much worse.

Two things need to be pointed out. One, that while the current government did certainly inherit an economy which was desperately seeking reform, after eight months it can’t blame previous governments and has to take responsibility for its own mishandling. After two failed mini-budgets, some introspection is necessary. Second, a look at a few key indicators will only emphasise the point of how bad things have become.

With [b]inflation at its highest in five-and-a-half years, we are only seeing the beginnings of a period of double-digit inflation. The rupee is losing value every other day, adding to this inflation, and will depreciate a great deal more, whether, or especially when, the government gives in to yet another IMF programme.

The fiscal deficit is about to hit more than six per cent of GDP, and even a cut in development expenditure will not stop this rot, as defence spending and interest payments continue to rise. Our exports, despite the 35pc devaluation, have barely budged, the circular debt continues to increase, interest rates are also going up making the cost of business even more uncompetitive. One can go on and show a vast array of statistics which unambiguously show that this government has ruined the economy. With the State Bank lowering GDP growth to an eight-year low of around 3.5pc, those begging for money (most of which has already been spent in one way or another) from the four friends we have left, need to think of better alternatives. And tax amnesty schemes are certainly no solution.

There is nothing which represents the complete disarray and disconnect in understanding and thinking about Pakistan’s social and economic issues by this government, and their attempted solution than the two announcements made recently. The first was made by the prime minister of Pakistan on March 28, followed by one made by his finance minister reported the next day.

Prime Minister Imran Khan announced “the biggest and the boldest” poverty alleviation programme of Pakistan called Ehsas, with a number of measures supposedly to address many of the country’s persistent economic problems. This, at a time, when poverty numbers have fallen and poverty has ceased to be Pakistan’s biggest problem, now replaced by huge and visible disparities in income and wealth.

The apparent determination and importance of these measures to the government, were emphasised by the prime minister’s announcement, that he would ask for a constitutional amendment to move Article 38(d) from the ‘Principles of Policy” section into the ‘Fundamental Rights’ section, making the “provision of food, clothing, housing, education and medical relief for citizens who cannot earn a livelihood due to infirmity, sickness or unemployment, a state responsibility”.

Undoubtedly, these are admirable intentions and a part of his Riasat-i-Madina project. But where the money for such grandiose schemes will come from, given the state of the economy, is a complete mystery. A far more robust taxation policy, taxing the very rich and transferring this money to those who deserve it, would address Pakistan’s growing inequality, and might allow social welfare spending as well, but the government fails at such structural measures of reform.

The very next day after the prime minister’s announcement, it was reported that the finance minister had stated that Pakistan was finally about to secure a bailout package from the IMF of between $6 billion and $12bn in late April or early May. These two statements represent a huge disconnect between what the prime minister envisages and how his finance minister thinks the economy ought to be managed.

There is a basic contradiction here between both these aims and positions, and both have diametrically opposite consequences. This should be fairly obvious to anyone, no matter how well intentioned, if they have even a miniscule understanding of how a country’s social and economic policy is managed, and what the consequences of an IMF programme will entail.

The anticipated IMF programme, which is almost a certainty now, is going to make things far worse for all Pakistanis, and especially for the working people already dealing with prospects of a marked economic slowdown and far higher prices. The IMF will further cut the miniscule development expenditure we have left, although defence spending will remain a matter of ‘national security’, hence, not to be touched.

The IMF brings about austerity, stabilisation and cuts the growth rate, it insists on devaluation, and will cause greater inflation by raising utility prices. The fundamental rights in the Constitution, regarding the “provision of food, clothing, housing, education and medical relief for citizens”, are inconsistent with any IMF programme. In fact, at the end of the anticipated IMF programme, we will add many more to the ranks of those who “cannot earn a livelihood due to infirmity, sickness or unemployment”. Perhaps it is best to remind ourselves, there was no IMF in the state of Madina.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby mmasand » 09 Apr 2019 10:45

Vips wrote:
manjgu wrote:next year napakis have to repay close to 32 Billion USD !!


Even if we assume the 3 sugar daddy's (Saudi, UAE and China) were to double the aid they gave this year (from $9 Billion to $18 Billion) and that is a big IF the pakis do not have the remaining balance to make the payment.So a default is imminent next year.


They're not getting a single penny out of Saudi and UAE anymore, they have their own troubles.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Manish_P » 09 Apr 2019 11:31

Bart S wrote:Chinese of course could end up losing everything if the Pakis default, but they have Gwader and land as collateral so they will still come up on top.


But do they have the capacity (and the guts) to do so - i mean holding the land? To face violence from non-state-but-controlled-by-state elements in jihadistan. They can't even sell the thing since there won't be any other buyers foolish enough or suicidal enough.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Lisa » 09 Apr 2019 14:34

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47856098

Huawei wi-fi modules were pulled from Pakistan CCTV system

Correct thread? Please crosspost as necessary.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Bart S » 09 Apr 2019 15:03

Manish_P wrote:
Bart S wrote:Chinese of course could end up losing everything if the Pakis default, but they have Gwader and land as collateral so they will still come up on top.


But do they have the capacity (and the guts) to do so - i mean holding the land? To face violence from non-state-but-controlled-by-state elements in jihadistan. They can't even sell the thing since there won't be any other buyers foolish enough or suicidal enough.


Will certainly be interesting. They have something similar to a crack ho - pimp cum drug dealer relationship, and the Chinese in the past have shown that they are a bit wary of Pakistan getting too close and abandoning other sources of support that they have, but by the time that situation happens Pakis would probably burned all their other bridges.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby habal » 09 Apr 2019 15:04

Manish_P wrote:But do they have the capacity (and the guts) to do so - i mean holding the land? To face violence from non-state-but-controlled-by-state elements in jihadistan. They can't even sell the thing since there won't be any other buyers foolish enough or suicidal enough.


me think they can hold on to gwadar with the sea port and airport and chinese only gated colonies. The sea port and airport can keep them supplied with manpower replenishment and supplies and they can do some kind of ring fence to keep out the non-chinese from gwadar.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Bart S » 09 Apr 2019 15:20

Lisa wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47856098

Huawei wi-fi modules were pulled from Pakistan CCTV system

Correct thread? Please crosspost as necessary.


Much ado about nothing. The wifi modules would be of interest to casual hackers, not the Chinese govt who probably tap into Paki systems directly at the core.

More interesting is the way that Huawei felt free to casually add wifi modules to it just so that their maintenance engineers don't have to open the rack, and the way that the Paki is falling over himself to defend them - in most places they would lose the contract and get penalized or sued for such an obvious lapse.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby sarathy » 09 Apr 2019 19:27

Peregrine wrote:
Peregrine wrote:vimal Ji :

sarathy Ji :
The Chinese ain't that dumb. The Chinese will earn a lot of Revenue in Terroristani Rupees. The Terroristani Rupees will be converted by the Terroristanis at T. Rs. 97 to the US$ Dollar!

Kapish?

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:oops: So, the Hans will come out on top either way. Thanks for the explanation, Peregrine ji :D

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby habal » 09 Apr 2019 22:33

take a look here,
Malik Riaz Hussain's bahria township karachi,

the main intent seems to be to make a Saudi aramco type expat village or a UK/US-type residential infra in run-down karachi.

https://youtu.be/n0pJGs917es

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 10 Apr 2019 00:04

habal wrote:take a look here,
Malik Riaz Hussain's bahria township karachi,

the main intent seems to be to make a Saudi aramco type expat village or a UK/US-type residential infra in run-down karachi.

https://youtu.be/n0pJGs917es
habal Ji :

No wonder the Ordinary Pakistani is begging on the street!

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