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Postby banrjeer » 01 Nov 2020 04:43

PM was equally silent on Dadri lynching, BJP members being murdered in WB and Kashmir and other communal and political violence

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Postby Srutayus » 01 Nov 2020 09:31

We need to build up dozens of organizations like the Bajrang Dal, Hindu Munnani and Agniveer that exist beyond the political cycle and are mot tied to the exigencies of electoral politics. If one is suppressed two should spring up in its place. For this to happen Hindu society must respect itself, its history and show boldness.

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Postby Adrija » 01 Nov 2020 11:46

We need to build up dozens of organizations like the Bajrang Dal, Hindu Munnani and Agniveer that exist beyond the political cycle and are mot tied to the exigencies of electoral politics. If one is suppressed two should spring up in its place. For this to happen Hindu society must respect itself, its history and show boldness.


I would humbly beg to differ- the need of the hour is to be united and focused... we have won significant victories since 2014, and now is not the time to let ourselves be distracted just because NaMo is not doing 100% of actions 100% of the time of what we think he should be doing... trust him... he is engaged in a generational struggle

And he is a product of the RSS. SO if we insistently believe he is not being "Hindu" enough, would it not be better to just support the RSS- both financially as well as in terms of other commitments (time etc)? They have been the foremost sentinel of the Dharmic civilization and the nation state (which at least currently is co-terminus) since the Marathas...

IMVVHO and all that of course... not meant to criticize in any way Srutayus ji..

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Postby greatde » 01 Nov 2020 11:48

The other side dont look at Congress or similar parties to solve their “issues”. They have learnt to do it on their own and have their own channels, irrespective of who is in power.

That should be the aim of Hindu side. Create non-politically affiliated voices and organisations. It’s a multi battlefield. Republic TV is leading it, yet there needs to be more more “Teams”

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Postby chetak » 01 Nov 2020 13:23

It's one devastating kick after another, right to the family jewels of three entitled families. :mrgreen:

J&K Govt Declares All Actions Under Farooq Abdullah's Roshni Act Null And Void, All Land To Be Retrieved In 6 Months



J&K Govt Declares All Actions Under Farooq Abdullah's Roshni Act Null And Void, All Land To Be Retrieved In 6 Months

Swarajya Staff
Nov 1, 2020

In a major development, three weeks after the Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) High Court decreed the erstwhile State's Roshni Act as unconstitutional and unsustainable, the Union Territory (UT)'s administration yesterday (31 October) issued orders to annul all mutations, remove encroachment and retrieve such land within six months, reports Indian Express.

The administration led by Lieutenant Governor (LG) Manoj Sinha has issued orders to the UT's Principal Secretary (Revenue) to ensure that all the mutations done under the Act as amended from time to time, and rules made thereunder are annulled and to also work out a plan to retrieve large tracts of UT's land.

The administration has ordered the Principal Secretary (Revenue) to also work out a plan to evict the encroachers from all such lands and to complete the retrieval exercise within a span of six months.

The Roshni Act is another name for the Jammu and Kashmir State Land (Vesting of Ownership to the Occupants) Act, 2001.

The order comes as a major blow for the former chief minister (CM) of J&K, Farooq Abdullah under whose tenure the Roshni Act came into force.

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Postby darshhan » 01 Nov 2020 18:47

Adrija wrote:
We need to build up dozens of organizations like the Bajrang Dal, Hindu Munnani and Agniveer that exist beyond the political cycle and are mot tied to the exigencies of electoral politics. If one is suppressed two should spring up in its place. For this to happen Hindu society must respect itself, its history and show boldness.


I would humbly beg to differ- the need of the hour is to be united and focused... we have won significant victories since 2014, and now is not the time to let ourselves be distracted just because NaMo is not doing 100% of actions 100% of the time of what we think he should be doing... trust him... he is engaged in a generational struggle

And he is a product of the RSS. SO if we insistently believe he is not being "Hindu" enough, would it not be better to just support the RSS- both financially as well as in terms of other commitments (time etc)? They have been the foremost sentinel of the Dharmic civilization and the nation state (which at least currently is co-terminus) since the Marathas...

IMVVHO and all that of course... not meant to criticize in any way Srutayus ji..


Don't worry he will win the next elections. That is one thing BJP is really good at. But here is my advice. Stick out your neck for BJP only if financially, socially and legally in a very strong position. Otherwise you can get killed, arressted, and tortured and no one will come to help you from BJP. I ask this question again. In last couple of years more than 100 workers have been killed by islamist and TMC gangs. The killed included a MLA and a corporator. How many of you honestly believe that if a BJP govt comes to power in WB in next elections, these victims would be avenged?
If not then why are you sticking your neck out for. Be safe. Build yourself. Build your tribe. That would be better bet for you when the day of civil war arrives.

And if you really want to do something for Hindu cause, start by having 3 or more kids. Otherwise all of it is just talk. Ofcourse if you choose a sanyasi life or have some medical issues, then it is a different matter altogether. We need more sons. In the end it always comes to this.

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Postby darshhan » 01 Nov 2020 19:14

Mark my words, when history of current times is written, BJP will be mentioned only as a passing footnote. For all hindus it is my sincere advice" Do not fall for individual worship". Especially never depend on a single political party. Wrt BJP you are not their bonded labour. Be aware of your issues(freeing temples from govt control, providing subsidies to those have more than 2 kids, RTE issue etc). Bargain with every political party. Support those who oblige you . In bigger scheme of things BJP is a very small player.

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Postby isubodh » 01 Nov 2020 19:42

darshhan wrote:Mark my words, when history of current times is written, BJP will be mentioned only as a passing footnote. For all hindus it is my sincere advice" Do not fall for individual worship". Especially never depend on a single political party. Wrt BJP you are not their bonded labour. Be aware of your issues(freeing temples from govt control, providing subsidies to those have more than 2 kids, RTE issue etc). Bargain with every political party. Support those who oblige you . In bigger scheme of things BJP is a very small player.


First Hindu's don't have any central figure who they follow like sheep to vote en-masses. They are so much divided on caste and region.
Second even if that was possible which other party has shown an iota of inclination to lure them with these demands. Have you any any other party mentioning Ram temple, UCC, Article370 or Kashmir ?

Given above this proverbial bargain is not feasible in any near future.

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Postby darshhan » 01 Nov 2020 20:12

isubodh wrote:
darshhan wrote:Mark my words, when history of current times is written, BJP will be mentioned only as a passing footnote. For all hindus it is my sincere advice" Do not fall for individual worship". Especially never depend on a single political party. Wrt BJP you are not their bonded labour. Be aware of your issues(freeing temples from govt control, providing subsidies to those have more than 2 kids, RTE issue etc). Bargain with every political party. Support those who oblige you . In bigger scheme of things BJP is a very small player.


First Hindu's don't have any central figure who they follow like sheep to vote en-masses. They are so much divided on caste and region.
Second even if that was possible which other party has shown an iota of inclination to lure them with these demands. Have you any any other party mentioning Ram temple, UCC, Article370 or Kashmir ?

Given above this proverbial bargain is not feasible in any near future.


Instead of waiting for some central figure who will let you down invariably, organise yourself in localized groups who have the ideological clarity and are able to loosely network with other such groups all over India. I ask you who is the central figure for muslims. On political level somewhere it is owaisi, somewhere it is azam khan and somewhere it is badruddin azmal. The point is they all have ideological clarity and islamo centric political vision. Based on that they make all the parties, institutions and even media bow in front of their demands. Plus they have exactly zero hesitation in using violence.

The same should be your template. You know what is the biggest joke. This country is atleast 60% hindu even today. I am subtracting all islamics, christians, leftists, socialists, periyarists, urban wokesp, lgbtq population etc. Still you are majority hindu. Then we have to seek out a hindu party. What a shame?

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Postby pankajs » 01 Nov 2020 20:14

Just WOW!

https://twitter.com/ColeStangler/status ... 0595241989
After slamming “Islamo-leftism,” France’s education minister has a new interview out today: “There’s a combat to be led” against an intellectual framework coming from US universities and intersectionality, which go against France’s republican model."

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Postby darshhan » 01 Nov 2020 20:32

pankajs wrote:Just WOW!

https://twitter.com/ColeStangler/status ... 0595241989
After slamming “Islamo-leftism,” France’s education minister has a new interview out today: “There’s a combat to be led” against an intellectual framework coming from US universities and intersectionality, which go against France’s republican model."


Don't wow so soon. The absence of Dharma coupled with extremely low fertility rates and weakening of family structures along with rise of leftists and feminists means that France will probably fall sooner or later in front of islamists. Ditto for the rest of western europe.

In nutshell do not have high hopes from western europe when it comes to countering islam.

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Postby pankajs » 01 Nov 2020 20:41

The WOW was for pinpoint identification of the root of the "Islamophobia cover" provided to the Islamist by the leftist ensconced in the US universities.

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Postby darshhan » 01 Nov 2020 20:46

pankajs wrote:The WOW was for pinpoint identification of the root of the "Islamophobia cover" provided to the Islamist by the leftist ensconced in the US universities.

Ok

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Postby chetak » 01 Nov 2020 21:05

Which European country will become Muslim majority by which year?



Which European country will become Muslim majority by which year?

Here is what one research says
There are two main factors behind a growing European Muslim population, higher fertility rate of the Muslim population, and a large scale migration from Muslim countries

1 November, 2020
OpIndia Staff


At a time when the world is debating on the extent of growth of Muslim population across the world and the security implications that are likely to emerge due to the resulting demographic shift in the future, a group of researchers have put forward a study that not only predicts the Islamic conquest of the Europe in the coming years but also presents us a timeline of Muslim population crossing a majority mark in at least 30 European countries.

A research carried out by Pierre Rostan, Alexandra Rostan has estimated a timeline of many European countries turning into Muslim-majority in the coming centuries. The research paper titled, “When will European Muslim population be majority and in which country?”, estimate the timeline of more than 30 European countries moving towards becoming a Muslim-majority country.

Currently, Europe’s population represents about 10 per cent of the world population and about 5 per cent of Europe’s population is Muslim.

Estimates are based on three scenarios
The researchers have considered three scenarios that are likely to act as the major thrust towards making many European countries into Muslim-majority countries in the next century.

In the first – the ‘zero-migration scenario’, the researchers estimate that the Muslim population has a higher fertility rate, i.e, one child more per woman, on average than other Europeans, mirroring a global pattern, that could lead to a higher Muslim population in the next century.

This theory estimates that among the High-Growth Muslim population countries, six of them will reach a majority of the Muslim population in the next 200 years. Belgium (in 2175), Bulgaria (in 2160), Cyprus (in 2175), France (in 2165), Sweden (in 2170) and United Kingdom (in 2195) will all have a Muslim-majority population, according to the research estimates based on ‘migration scenario’.

According to another scenario, known as ‘2017 migration scenario’, the researchers expect a higher Muslim population due to a continuous flow of migrants every year based on the year 2017.

The ‘2017 migration scenario’ states that all of the High-Growth Muslim population countries will reach a majority of Muslim population in the next 200 years.

The third scenario – the ‘mid-point migration’ scenario is obtained by averaging the data of the two previous scenarios. The mid-point migration estimates that at least 13 countries will have a Muslim majority population between the years 2085 and 2215. Cyprus will be the first casualty of Islamic invasion, which will be a Muslim majority in the year 2085. By 2125, Sweden will have a majority of Muslims.

France, which is already fighting the menace of radical Islam will turn a Muslim-majority country by 2135. Next in line is Greece, which will see an Islamic conquest by 2135. Belgium (2140), Bulgaria (2140), Italy (2175), Luxembourg (2175), the UK (2180), Slovenia (2190), Switzerland (2195), Ireland (2200) and Lithuania (2215) will all go undergo a major demographic shift in the next two hundred years. The 17 remaining countries will reach a majority only after two centuries 200 years.

Growing Muslim population will change the face of France perpetually

The growing Muslim population will enforce drastic changes in Europe, be it socially, politically and economically. The researches point out that there are two main factors behind a growing European Muslim population.

One is a higher fertility rate of Muslim population than other Europeans and other is the large influx of Muslims into European countries that arose out of a refugee crisis which reached a peak in 2015.

Secondly, a large number of refugees especially from Muslim countries may be fearing persecution or by a well-thought-out strategy, began to abandon their Islamic lands, sailed to Europe by crossing the Mediterranean Sea to influence a demographic change.

The influx of Muslims into Europe has now broken the old social order existing in these societies. The irreversible changes that have occured in these European societies are manifested on the streets of European cities.

The researchers also assert that there are already various examples to show such changes in European cities which include the proliferation of mosques, prayer calls from loudspeakers, commercialization of halal foods and products, etc. As the Muslim population continue to grow in Europeans societies, these Islamisation project is expected to take extreme forms in the future.

Further, in Europe, the Muslim population are now using their street veto to enforce compatible workload and adjustable working hours that are complaint to Islam, forcing authorities to form new laws in favor of the Muslim population and growing meddling of foreign governments in European political decisions.

The researches foresee that in the coming decades, the Muslim population can exert much more pressure on the local government by exhibiting their sheer demographic strength.

“At first, anti-Islam political parties may gain support in a xenophobic reaction to the rising contribution of the Muslim population to the life of the European society until the Muslim population be a majority. Then negative reactions should fade away. These social, political and economic changes will bring periods of adjustment that would be painful for the European society,” the research states.

Islam will be the second biggest religion in the world, India to have 31 crore Muslims

A 2015 research by US-based think tank Pew Research Centre reveals that Muslims are the fastest-growing religious group in the world. The research centre has projected the Muslim population will increase faster than the world population as a whole.

According to the research, the number of Muslims will nearly equal the number of Christians around the world. As of 2010, Christianity was the word’s largest religion, with an estimated 2.2 billion population accounting 31 per cent of the total people on Earth. Islam was second, with 1.6 billion followers with 23 per cent of the global population.

Between 2010 and 2050, the world’s total population is expected to rise to 9.3 billion, a 35 per cent increase. During the same period, the population of Muslims, with high fertility rates, is projected to increase by 73 per cent. The number of Christians also is projected to rise, however more slowly, at about the same rate as the global population overall, i.e at 35 per cent.

According to the Pew Research projections, by 2050 there will be an almost equal number of Muslims, 2.8 billion or 30 per cent of the population and Christians, with 2.9 billion people or 31 per cent. If the current demographic trends continue, the Muslim population will be the largest exceeding the number of Christians by the end of this century.


According to the latest data released by the Pew Research Center, in India, the number of Muslims is projected to rise to more than 31 crores by 2050, about 11 per cent of wold’s Muslim population, making India the country with the largest Muslim population in the world.

According to the 2011 census, India has 170 million Muslims accounting for the 14.23 per cent of the population. The Muslim population will rise faster and reaches to 18.4 per cent of the total population in 2050. Islam is currently the fastest-growing religion on the planet and also the world’s second-largest religion after Christianity.

The estimated change in the population size worldwide from 2010 to 2050 is projected to be 73 per cent for Muslims and 34 per cent for Hindus.

The research adds that the rise in the Muslim population can be attributed due to the young median age of 22 and high fertility rates of the Muslim woman. In India, Muslim women have 3.2 children per woman on average, while the figure for Hindu and Christian women is 2.5 and 2.3 children respectively.

The research states that Muslims population in the United States in 2050 will be at 2.1 per cent of US population. About 3.3 million Muslims lived in the US in 2015, about one per cent of the US population.

With the rising population, the Muslims are increasingly becoming more assertive and are exerting their influence and street power on the country’s politics by aligning with different political parties that are ready overlook the radicalism within the community.

However, these population trends will cause a worry among non-Muslims worldwide, who are already fearful of the growing radicalisation in the Islamic community. The increase in the Muslim population will only embolden the community having an effect on the existing relationships between Muslims and non-Muslims in many parts of the world.

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Postby darshan » 01 Nov 2020 21:53


IMO this is Incorrect analysis when it comes to abrahamic sects. they will all commit genocides as needed to rebalance. christians will wipe out muslims once their use is no longer required. This will be true across the board irrespective of left vs right as their churches will lead genocides and dictate political scenes.

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Postby nvishal » 01 Nov 2020 22:48

I see many members shedding tears on a nation(France) that never had any problem selling weapons to Muslims countries(pak included) since many decades.

I have said this many times. The west secretly desires that non-muslim civilizations in the east fall to Islam. It reduces competition. You need to imbibe the same logic wrt the west and Islam.

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darshan wrote:

IMO this is Incorrect analysis when it comes to abrahamic sects. they will all commit genocides as needed to rebalance. christians will wipe out muslims once their use is no longer required. This will be true across the board irrespective of left vs right as their churches will lead genocides and dictate political scenes.


Darshan ji, That is the problem. Practicing Christians are very much a minority in westrn europe. Christianity has been in decline here for many decades.

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Postby Ambar » 01 Nov 2020 23:03

Not just fall in Christianity but embracing extreme liberal values has reduced their birth rates dramatically. Once Islam goes past the 20% threshold the collapse of native cultures, civilizations will be rapid. I think by 2050 we will see a repeat of 1940s once again, i.e. a large number of native europeans will line up to move to South America, the United States , Australia and Canada to escape from violence and broken economies back home. Also, given the current trajectory of Canadian immigration system, i expect future Donald Trumps in 2050 to push for a wall on the northern border and not the southern border. How Canada has escaped violence given the number of north African , Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants so far is beyond me, but i think its only a matter of time before the lid explodes of its so-called "well assimilated multi-culturalism".

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Postby darshan » 01 Nov 2020 23:12

From what I have heard from canadian side, grooming and other UK style islamism is there in canada too. However, just like UK, everything's bottled up as whites aren't being touched.

Added later:
One can say that there's lid being kept. Even in US. Dots aren't being connected and stats aren't being put together. For example, first reports I had heard about going after Hindu girls were out of Houston around 20 years ago. So, I decided to search that area for news.

Islamic religious teacher arrested for alleged sex crimes against children
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/h ... o-18843121
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Postby madhu » 01 Nov 2020 23:27

darshan wrote:

IMO this is Incorrect analysis when it comes to abrahamic sects. they will all commit genocides as needed to rebalance. christians will wipe out muslims once their use is no longer required. This will be true across the board irrespective of left vs right as their churches will lead genocides and dictate political scenes.


Here is actual paper. These calculations are based on five-step
methodology 1) de-noising and compression of the first-order difference of the population time series of each European country among the 30; 2) wavelet decomposition; 3) Burg extension of approximations and details; 4) wavelet reconstruction and finally 5) fo,recasting the Muslim population-based on three scenarios: 1) a conservative zero-migration scenario; 2) 2017 migration and a more likely 3) mid-point migration scenario. In the mid-point migration
scenario
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Postby shravanp » 01 Nov 2020 23:31

darshan wrote:From what I have heard from canadian side, grooming and other UK style islamism is there in canada too. However, just like UK, everything's bottled up as whites aren't being touched.



Based on history, the decisive victories by EU against Muslims in Poland, and pushing out of Muslim Moors from Spanish peninsula it doesn't appear that Europe would simply let themselves get rolled over by peacefools (despite the demographic invasion and Xianity reduced influence)

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Postby Ambar » 02 Nov 2020 00:18

shravanp wrote:
darshan wrote:From what I have heard from canadian side, grooming and other UK style islamism is there in canada too. However, just like UK, everything's bottled up as whites aren't being touched.



Based on history, the decisive victories by EU against Muslims in Poland, and pushing out of Muslim Moors from Spanish peninsula it doesn't appear that Europe would simply let themselves get rolled over by peacefools (despite the demographic invasion and Xianity reduced influence)


Pope Urban brought warring christian kingdoms and fiefdoms together to fight the Islamic invasions and thus began the first of the 5 centuries long crusades. Today the perverted version of feminism in Europe has left them with barely enough fighting age men to protect their homes let alone launch a crusade. Secondly, the guilt carried by most europeans after WW2 means any talk of patriotism and nationalism evokes images of nazi Germany and thus is considered as "extreme" ideology, so there's not much national pride left/displayed. The pessimist in me says things will get much worse for Europe before it gets better, it took them over 400 yrs last time to regain the control back, so who knows how long it will take this time. As for Canada, the only thing saving them is their geography, every country south of Canada to the tip of Latin America gets increasingly conservative christian so they have some back up, but internally they are toast though.

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Postby chetak » 02 Nov 2020 01:21

pankajs wrote:Just WOW!

https://twitter.com/ColeStangler/status ... 0595241989
After slamming “Islamo-leftism,” France’s education minister has a new interview out today: “There’s a combat to be led” against an intellectual framework coming from US universities and intersectionality, which go against France’s republican model."



whereas, we are stifled, macaulayized and force fed on a sickularism that lulls us into a civilizational somnolence as is best personified by the "babuji dheere chalna" curse of all our government babooz and a trecherous commie inspired civil society collaborating with the lootyens & BIF led media

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Postby chetak » 02 Nov 2020 01:56

Do Indians remember this :mrgreen:





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Postby darshan » 02 Nov 2020 02:21

Now imagine if the issue involved a non Hindu topic. Would municipality have taken any action?


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Postby darshan » 02 Nov 2020 03:26

Not sure how well any law from center will work without UCC in place.
Haryana government mulls bringing law against love jihad, CM ML Khattar says centre also considering legal provision against the menace
https://www.opindia.com/2020/11/haryana ... ove-jihad/
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Haryana Chief Minister ML Khattar said that the Ballabhgarh killing was being linked to love jihad and that both the central and the state government are looking into the matter. He said that the government was considering legal provisions to ensure that the culprit did not escape and not innocent was punished. The CM hinted that the union government is also considering legal action against cases of love jihad.
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Muslim wing of RSS holds protest against ‘Islamophobia’ in France, burns photos of French President Emmanuel Macron
https://www.opindia.com/2020/11/muslim- ... president/
The Muslim Rashtriya Manch, the Muslim wing of the RSS, held a demonstration in Hyderabad on Saturday in protest against ‘Islamophobia’ in France and its president Emmanuel Macron. The protest was held after the celebration of Milad-un-Nabi, the birthday of the prophet of Islam, at its Telangana headquarters where food was distributed to the poor.

Photographs of Emmnauel Macron were burnt by the Muslim Rashtriya Manch during the demonstration. “There are deliberate attempts to denigrate the Prophet. We are against any disrespect shown to Islamic personalities,” state president MA Sattar told TOI.
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Postby darshan » 02 Nov 2020 03:39

I didn't check whether Modi registered one more dead like in J&K. Though one still hopes that BJP workers across India are honoring their dead.

West Bengal: BJP worker found hanging from a tree in Nadia, visuals suggest he was killed elsewhere
https://www.opindia.com/2020/11/bjp-wor ... st-bengal/

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Postby chetak » 02 Nov 2020 17:16

Why don’t we give credit to Hindu festivals for reviving the economy?



Why don’t we give credit to Hindu festivals for reviving the economy?

They are going to blame Hindus for everything from air pollution to the failure of Nehruvian socialism. Should we aggressively highlight that the Hindu festive season has revived the Indian economy? You bet!

2 November, 2020
Abhishek Banerjee

Indian economy is booming again, thanks to Hindu festival season

The Indian economy has been doing extremely well in the last two months. The numbers for September were so good that they called it a “September surprise.” They wanted to know if it would last. The numbers for October have started to tumble out and it’s one big party.

The GST collection is up by over 10%. The manufacturing PMI has risen to a ten year high. Top auto manufacturers like Maruti are reporting increases of as much as 19%. Two wheeler manufacturers are reporting their highest sales in any month ever. Tractors are selling so fast that factories are considering three shifts a day to keep up with demand. All across the board, from cars to laptops and phones, demand is soaring.

So what invisible force could be driving this sudden consumption boom? Shopping for Christmas three months early? Shopping for Ramzan three months late?

Say it with me: It is the Hindu festival season that has brought the economy back on track.

Emphasis on the word Hindu. Yes, I know the media talks about “festive season” sales all the time. But whose festive season? It’s the Hindu festive season. Let’s make it explicit.

You might want to ask: Why emphasise religion here? Everyone already knows it is the Hindu festival season. Quit being a jerk about it …

To that I say, when have they not been jerks to us? When has the liberal complex ever shied away from naming and shaming Hindus for anything that goes wrong? When a rape happens in September or October, do they ever shy away from taunts about goddess worship during the upcoming Durga Puja? No, they diligently produce cartoons and sound bytes about it.

Do they ever shy away from poking Hindus in the eye and telling us how biryani, supposedly a Mughal thing, enriches our cuisine? Are they not constantly being jerks about how so many of our historical monuments like the Taj were built by you know who? Aren’t they always jerks about how Urdu enriches the Hindi film industry?

Of course they are. Every chance they get, they impose upon us the idea that India was barren, devoid of culture or anything of value until …

Then, why should I not point out how Hindu festivals have just breathed new life into the coronavirus hit Indian economy? Right now, Hindu festivals are driving the consumption boom and lifting all boats, including those from other communities.

Speaking of Hindu festivals, they get blamed for pretty much everything in a typical year. Why is the air so bad? Because irresponsible Hindus are exploding crackers on Diwali, polluting the air and scaring the pets of the elite. Hindus get blamed for polluting the water with their idol immersions and other offerings. Crimes against women? It is all because of the festival of Holi.

When it comes to blaming Hindu festivals, no connection is too far fetched or too absurd. Come Kumbh mela and Hindus are taught lessons not to abandon their children or elderly parents in the crowd. Innocent Hindus celebrating Rakshabandhan? Tell them to stop being cruel to cows for Rakshabandhan. What’s the connection between killing cows and Rakshabandhan? It doesn’t matter.

Hindus sitting down to watch Ramayana serial on TV? They are responsible for kids injuring themselves in the eye with bows and arrows. Yeah, take your infant son or daughter instead to sit at Shaheen Bagh all night in the Delhi winter. That’s responsible parenting. You might get coverage in TIME Magazine and become a celebrity.

So tell me, when do they ever stop being a jerk about anything and everything in Hindu traditions? You even have folks asking questions like these: because most Hindus cremate their dead; does it not mean they have a lesser right to Bharat than religious communities who compulsorily bury their dead?

Between 1947 and 1991, it was mostly Nehru and his descendants who took the economic decisions that made India a basket case. In the process, they named everything from airports to universities to bus stands after themselves. The blame for the failures went to Hindus. They called it the Hindu rate of growth. They said that Hindus were lazy and fatalistic and did not care for the material progress that led to prosperity in this life. What could Nehru have done?

They are going to blame Hindus for everything from air pollution to the failure of Nehruvian socialism. Should we aggressively highlight that the Hindu festive season has revived the Indian economy? You bet!

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 02 Nov 2020 22:59

https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/stat ... 5950476288
I'm noticing increasing hatred towards Substack, as if independent reporting creates distrust. It's a bizarre authoritarian strain, last seen in the mid-2000s dismissal of 'bloggers' who didn't like the war in Iraq. Blogger ethics panel!

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... 4381153280
The journalist-led demands for Facebook and Twitter to censor *more*, the attacks against the ability of some to be independent on Patreon or Substack is, as Matt says, the same dynamic that drove media's anti-blog sentiment: journalists hate anything that permits competition.
Years ago -- as recently as 2005 -- corporate media outlets like the WPost and MSNBC had a monopoly on the discourse and flow of information. They always wage war on any model that undermines their stranglehold & enables independent journalism to thrive as an alternative.

Reason why Google, Facebook, Twitter etc, that acted as platform for alternate views were co-opted or subverted. Reason why everyone, even BJP inclined media is fully out to destroy Republic/Doorknob.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 02 Nov 2020 23:38

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1322998245950476288
I'm noticing increasing hatred towards Substack, as if independent reporting creates distrust. It's a bizarre authoritarian strain, last seen in the mid-2000s dismissal of 'bloggers' who didn't like the war in Iraq. Blogger ethics panel!

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... 4381153280
The journalist-led demands for Facebook and Twitter to censor *more*, the attacks against the ability of some to be independent on Patreon or Substack is, as Matt says, the same dynamic that drove media's anti-blog sentiment: journalists hate anything that permits competition.
Years ago -- as recently as 2005 -- corporate media outlets like the WPost and MSNBC had a monopoly on the discourse and flow of information. They always wage war on any model that undermines their stranglehold & enables independent journalism to thrive as an alternative.

Reason why Google, Facebook, Twitter etc, that acted as platform for alternate views were co-opted or subverted. Reason why everyone, even BJP inclined media is fully out to destroy Republic/Doorknob.


dornob is the hugely majority owner of the most popular and maximum revenue spinning english as well as hindi news channels.

he is not obliged to anyone for support and has unfettered editorial control as well as the freedom to do what he thinks is right.

This is very unusual for India and it makes many politicians and minority religious, as well as, the global leftist cabal representatives extremely uncomfortable because he can and indeed does counter their lies and propaganda.

apart from dornob, there is no real and worthwhile right wing media in Inda.

some allegedly right wing channels are owned and balanced out by the same owners simultaneously pushing left wing channels from their own stables

channels like "times now" and rabidly christo islamic leftshyte channel "mirror now" have the very same ownership.

so both these channels are actively being used to undercut republic and dornob so as to kill the competition and bump up ad revenues. Besides, both these channels have offshore ownership interests as well, ownership interests that are very very keen to undermine the India story.

the political kingpins in MAH are actively encouraging companies from advertising on republic TV channels

which is why the foolish thackerays are being made to front for the BIF operating through the other two "alliance" partners to try and shutdown dornob and the two republic channels.

the real fun will start when dornob starts his marathi channel :mrgreen:

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Nov 2020 00:51

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1321869227226222593
My Resignation From The Intercept

The same trends of repression, censorship and ideological homogeneity plaguing the national press generally have engulfed the media outlet I co-founded, culminating in censorship of my own articles.
The guy has been censored in the "news" organization that he co-founded! Further ...
"The final, precipitating cause is that The Intercept’s editors censored an article I wrote this week, refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Joe Biden, the candidate vehemently supported by all Intercept editors involved in this effort at suppression."


Something folks here should know about Glen Greenwald, before deciding he is the heroic fair & lovely Western journalist/ observer that we have long been thirsting for, maybe the next Christine Fair:

Watch: Interview With Democratic Congresswoman and 2020 Presidential Candidate Tulsi Gabbard

Scroll down to the video of the interview. Pay attention to 19:00 and 24:00 in the video.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Nov 2020 01:06

Prem Kumar wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:Seems that it is, once again, time for a fresh round of, "Yindoos are perishing in India, why the Mudi is not fighting for them?" rona-dhona in BRF.
...........


The Modi-apologist strikes again. Hindus did their part - by voting Modi in again in 2019 with an unprecedented majority! Its reasonable to ask him to not abandon Hindu causes. "Looking after Hindu interests" is one of the main reasons for capturing political power. If that purpose is under-served, he must be questioned

Hindus are doing other things too in their capacity. But its their right to expect their leader to do the job he was elected to do, to the fullest extent possible.


I never made any secret of my view that I like & admire Modi and consider his advent an unbelievable piece of good fortune for India & Hindus, especially considering what passed for leadership between 1947-2014. To my thinking, average Indians and Hindus have to work hard in the shared endeavor to retroactively "pay for" and hence "merit" this level of unearned good fortune.

If you are a person who really believes that Hindus' job in the war to defend Hinduism begins & ends with voting for Modi, then there is no reasoning or discussing with you as far as I am concerned. You have made yourself a part of the problem in my view.

I can only remind the rest of the readers that huge endeavors--such as the defense and retrieval of Hinduism--can only hope to succeed due to huge movements, with its participants going over and beyond the minimum. There is a role and honor for the tiny contributions of "Rama's squirrels" but the intent and drive has to be there to begin with. The squirrel itself was going over & beyond its minimum requirement--which would have been to stay out of the way. The squirrel is honored because it chose to contribute far beyond the minimum, and didn't leave the job just to Rama to take care of.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 03 Nov 2020 01:11

shravanp wrote:
darshan wrote:From what I have heard from canadian side, grooming and other UK style islamism is there in canada too. However, just like UK, everything's bottled up as whites aren't being touched.



Based on history, the decisive victories by EU against Muslims in Poland, and pushing out of Muslim Moors from Spanish peninsula it doesn't appear that Europe would simply let themselves get rolled over by peacefools (despite the demographic invasion and Xianity reduced influence)

Here's the problem with that analysis. The threat from the Islamic world back then was far more overt and immediate. Moors conquering and occupying Spain with military force, converting people to Islam, Ottoman armies rampaging through eastern and central Europe and laying siege to Vienna etc. The european monarchs had their personal power (and lives) threatened. Plus, the kingdoms were far more religious and the power of the Catholic Church to unite the Europeans against a singular threat was high. Even then there were some who tried to use the Ottomans against their local rivals etc.

None of those conditions exist today. There is no large visible Islamic power that is threatening Europe militarily. It is much easier to unite and push back against a threat like that, although it might be much tougher to win against it. On the other hand, the "threat" now is refugees and migrants from war-torn or impoverished Islamic countries (many of them ex-European colonies, so there's some feeling of guilt involved as well) coming in and getting radicalized and carrying out isolated terrorist attacks. There is no army visible which can be defeated. The power of the Catholic church over the people of Europe is not what it was. It is difficult to get people to even see the threat let alone agree on what to do about it in such a scenario. Plus the Europeans have their fear of their own "right wing" which as we know has gone to extreme levels of xenophobia in the past and caused disaster. So they try too hard to appear the opposite of that now and the pendulum swings too far the other way for some of them.

The difference now in France is that the threat is becoming more overt and more visible because of the frequency and style of attacks. Earlier, people warned about no-go areas in the ghettos and creeping Islamization (you see this in the UK as well), but nobody bothered about it since it did not affect them directly. Now it does.

This actually connects to similar issues we have in India as well. You see people on this thread wondering about how Hindus can be so blind and not see the threat they are facing. And why they continue to vote for parties like the Congress who are so blatantly pro-Islamist. The reasons for this are similar. For us here, who keep a watch on the news for incidents of love-jihad, anti-Hindu violence, conversions etc., the threat looks obvious. But the majority of the people don't do this and are absorbed in their own daily lives worried about rozgaar, do wakt ki roti, ghar, health etc. Plus you have the real and insidiously created divisions based on caste etc. which can be and are used to divert their attention. And I'm not even counting the leftists here who for all practical purposes have joined the Islamists. These are the modern day versions of the rulers who sought to use the help of invaders to defeat their local rivals for their own personal power. Once the conquest was complete they didn't last long. Neither will the leftists, but they won't see that coming till it's too late.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Nov 2020 01:18

Neela wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:
The Modi-apologist strikes again. Hindus did their part - by voting Modi in again in 2019 with an unprecedented majority! Its reasonable to ask him to not abandon Hindu causes. "Looking after Hindu interests" is one of the main reasons for capturing political power. If that purpose is under-served, he must be questioned

Hindus are doing other things too in their capacity. But its their right to expect their leader to do the job he was elected to do, to the fullest extent possible.


What Hindus expect and continue to believe in , are that state machinery including Police, administration and services apply and uphold L&O equitably. .
That is all that is expected. Of course, we all understand that L&O is a state subject. Of course , it will lead to shouts of "interference" if Modi says something. But not to mention the plight of victims when the same was done when community was reversed...what do you call that?

Other parties are feudal clans that need loyalty to persons. We get that. BJP has ideology foremost - we get that too. But slaughter in Bengal, the brazenness in MH, the culling elsewhere ...all of that will have to be addressed head on. Ideology needs people to follow. The feedback from leaders of ideology to its upporters must be visible at times of distress.
Like I said, there is a wide open political space for Hindus . I wont shed a tear for BJP if Bajrang Dal occupies that space. I dont care if they have eccentric valentines day protests etc...I know they can hit the streets. Perhaps, that is what is needed...national ground to BJP while state level is done by IMK, hindu Munnani, Bajrang Dal.


There are concrete things that a movement for Hindus, which would also necessarily be a movement for India, can do. One of them is to take up seriously the matter of police and broader administrative machinery reforms & restructuring. Start thinking about what would a properly functioning dharmic police & administrative machinery look like? Work backwards to organization, training, public communication and political process to bring about the outcome. It would be hard, complicated and tedious work, with very little emotional satisfaction along the way, full of frustrating mistakes & missteps. Results will be few & far between if at all, at least in the beginning. Some of us won't live to see any results at all.

That is only one domain. There are many other domains like this. A willingness to undertake these kinds of efforts, and to fill the capability gaps that get uncovered as we make these efforts are necessary conditions. Crying that Modi or BJP is not doing it all for us, or that our enemies are not being fair to us (!) are sufficient conditions, for defeat and oblivion.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Nov 2020 01:23

+1

outstanding value-add analysis as per your standard Suraj.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Nov 2020 01:25

darshhan wrote:Mark my words, when history of current times is written, BJP will be mentioned only as a passing footnote. For all hindus it is my sincere advice" Do not fall for individual worship". Especially never depend on a single political party. Wrt BJP you are not their bonded labour. Be aware of your issues(freeing temples from govt control, providing subsidies to those have more than 2 kids, RTE issue etc). Bargain with every political party. Support those who oblige you . In bigger scheme of things BJP is a very small player.


Generally agree. Identify your cause and work passionately for it. Things will get better, or will at least seem better to you.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 03 Nov 2020 01:43

Darshan Mehta@darshanvmehta1·Nov 1

This smart guy said this on TV....2 wheeler stocks fell 6% that day....how did Hero sell 8 lk units if situation is so bad as he says...hero in call also clarified that all said was humbug....Bajaj wale chacha, kitna jhoot bologe?




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Bajaj Auto on Monday revealed it recorded its highest-ever monthly sales in October 2020 with 5,12,038 units of two-wheelers and commercial vehicles sold during the month. It sold 4,70,290 two-wheelers (including domestic sales and exports) and 41,748 commercial vehicles in October.



an effing dynastic and entitled pretty boy, bag of wind "manufacturer" who had it all set up for him, by people who obsequiously "backed" all the "right" corrupted political horses for decades, cannot even read his own markets :mrgreen:

is it time for blabbermouth papa to bring out the feeding bottle again
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 03 Nov 2020 02:10

I can only remind the rest of the readers that huge endeavors--such as the defense and retrieval of Hinduism--can only hope to succeed due to huge movements, with its participants going over and beyond the minimum. There is a role and honor for the tiny contributions of "Rama's squirrels" but the intent and drive has to be there to begin with. The squirrel itself was going over & beyond its minimum requirement--which would have been to stay out of the way. The squirrel is honored because it chose to contribute far beyond the minimum, and didn't leave the job just to Rama to take care of.


So true. I hear so many saying that they have done their bit by voting. Civilizations cannot be built with just one vote (and constant threats), eating samosas while watching cricket and Bollywood and buying cheap Chinese goods.


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