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pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/defence_news/status ... 6572487681
Prolonged impasse on China border can have high economic costs: Shyam Saran, former foreign secretary
This is why the nuclear first use option has to be on the table! NATO forces in Europe had to rely on first use to control economic costs.

NATO's Nuclear Weapons: The Rationale for 'No First Use'
In the early 1950s, political pressure in the United States to reduce its defense budget, and allied reluctance to spend the money to build up their own militaries, further encouraged a policy of threatening to use nuclear weapons against counter-value targets (such as cities and other "soft" targets) on a large scale and early in the event of a conflict in Europe.
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nachiket wrote:It is easy for us to "want" war while sitting in our living rooms sipping chai. ...There is a difference in being prepared for war and actually wanting it.
Understood. But something else which should be understood is that if this matter isn't decisively settled this year, the Chinese will be back to repeat this nonsense next year, and the next and the next... each time slicing off a little more salami.If this is allowed to fester, who's to say that their next move (next year) won't be in Depsang, and thereafter the eastern approaches to Siachen. And every time war is contemplated, there will be some "good and sensible reason" to avoid war and go for "more talks". They intrude 1km into Depsang, we can put on a grave and stern look on our face and go for "more talks". Then they spew some nonsense excuse and advance another km, we can really raise our voices loud, throw some dossiers at them and complain to the UN.

What is there to talk about any more, really? The Chinese don't just refuse to spell out precisely what their "perception" of the LAC is, they quite brazenly say that the whole of Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh belong to them. Maybe previously we could hide behind the hope of "talks", but not any more. After this year, we have nowhere to hide our faces any longer.

There is currently an international "correlation of forces" (ha ha, a favourite Commie term from the good old days) in the Himalayan region and in the Indo-China Sea that strongly favours China's opponents and seriously complicates China's life. This year, specifically the next two months, is the time to strike while the iron is hot. At minimum they should be kicked out of the area they are occupying that we claim as our side of the LAC, and their illegal artificial islands in the SCS. That is the minimum we (the anti-PRC grouping) should achieve from all this. If the final outcome of all this huffing and puffing is to simply stare at PLA troops in Ladakh/Tibet and at PLAN ships in the SCS, not actually do a damn thing, and then slink away to our home bases in December with the tail between the legs, what the hell is the point of having military forces?
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The Shyam Saran types said the same thing about Siachen about it is cheap for Pakis to sit there whereas too costly for us. They were wrong about Pakis and they will be proved wrong with Chinese, we need to slowly take advantage after advantage, the more time this takes more pressure it will inflict on the CPC and PLA. They will need to keep all their eastern and western sectors open, they will have to protect, Russia, and former Eastern block countries, Myammar, Vietnam all have been rubbed the wrong way. And being a H&D issue they Chinese need to save face in all sectors.

Shyam Saran types trying to give Siachen to Pakis were a strong part of the Indian establishment working for foreign countries- the silence of Rahul Gandhi, Ajai Sukla types who play Tango with this group is deafening.
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pankajs wrote:
nachiket wrote: This is a great source. Provides a detailed examination of the pattern of deployments back then and why some of them were wrong.

Also during the battles, the CHinese had captured, Magar Hill and Gurung Hill along with Rezang La, but withdrew from all three afterwards. But they did not withdraw from Black top and Helmet top. The author actually criticizes our decision not to occupy these features which would have allowed us to better observe and interdict Chinese movements choosing instead to occupy the lower Rezang La and Gurung Hill instead which were overrun. As per Nitin Gokhale and Vishnu Black Top and Helmet top are still occupied by the Chinese. We have managed to occupy some surrounding features which give us line of sight to their movements and which seems to have majorly irritated them now.
On the same ridge as the Black top there is another feature called the "Bump" about 1.5 km west of the Black top bang on the LAC. While Black top is higher by about 100 m, the Bump provides a similar view of the Chinese side as the Black top both to the north and the south.

Curious thing that the Chinese complained about Rezang/Rechin la occupation but not about our positions on the ridge north of the Spanggur gap
From the 2 la we overlook thier main base in the area and the road leading to it ....imho
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India has to be ready to maintain a few thousand troops on the 30 peaks.

I may be wrong, but these are not Siachin like situation. That thousands of troops could reach those positions meant that they can also be serviced.

Need to develop the technology to keep the troops comfortable.
-> Solar Energy + Storage Battery for electricity generation
-> Insulated Sangars

Monitoring Equipment:
-> IR imagers, motion sensors, micro drones for surveillance

Transportation Infra
-> 4x4 vehicles which can go up and down poorly prepared paths
-> Earthmovers which can carve out paths; not everything needs to be a metaled road.

These are all things which the Indian Industrial complex can come up with

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If India can maintain those posts 12 months an year, it keeps the CCP in check.

If there has to be an agreement it would require a mutually agreed upon buffer zone with patrolling rights for both sides, and monitoring & enforcement mechanisms.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 941669.cms ... with a military map showing the positions...
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Must watch: Father of the Vikas Regiment soldier injured in the Kaala Top storming operation speaks to @AbhishekBhalla7 in Ladakh Flag of India
https://twitter.com/i/status/1302118598576467969
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amar_p wrote:If there are talks now, what should be India's demands?

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Else no deal. India is free to decide our next course of action at a time and place and in a manner of our choice. { :rotfl: Have you noticed that India has NOT crossed the LAC at any place when it took steps to counter the Chinese? If one where to believe Nithin Gokhale and Vishnu Som we have NOT occupied Black top nor Helmet top that are just across the LAC. That should tell you something. China too knows that India will not try grabbing Aksi Chin nor go marching into Tibet.}
Talks if any will be to restore status quo +/- some readjustment to the LAC. There is no border settlement in the offering nor any grand bargain to be had.

The Indian gambit more than compensated for the Chinese gambit but did not change much on the ground for the Chinese to concede to any of your points. At max we threaten about 250+ sq km of territory that is under Chinese control.

While it would be galling for the Chinese to have put 250+ sq. km of territory at risk for 40+ sq km gains on the northern bank of Pangang tso, they would not agree to even 1% of what you have proposed. Even with the latest Indian gambit on the LAC India does not have China "by the scruff of their neck".

The Chinese will brush India aside till the time we remain behind them in what they call "Comprehensive national power". One can used economy as a rough measure of the comprehensive national power.
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pankajs wrote:
amar_p wrote:If there are talks now, what should be India's demands?
<snip>
Talks if any will be to restore status quo +/- some readjustment to the LAC. There is no border settlement in the offering nor any grand bargain to be had.
The Indian gambit more than compensated for the Chinese gambit but did not change much on the ground for the Chinese to concede to any of your points. At max we threaten about 250+ sq km of territory that is under Chinese control.
While it would be galling for the Chinese to have put 250+ sq. km of territory at risk for 40+ sq km gains on the northern bank of Pangang tso, they would not agree to even 1% of what you have proposed. Even with the latest Indian gambit on the LAC India does not have China "by the scruff of their neck".
The Chinese will brush India aside till the time we remain behind them in what they call "Comprehensive national power". One can used economy as a rough measure of the comprehensive national power.
I doubt if any of the economic bamboo will be withdrawn. Roads and infrastructure will be continued to be built. Chinese companies will continue to be turned away from the Indian market. Imports from China will continue to fall. Defense equipment that are needed to fight a war will continue to be purchased on an emergency basis.
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Now there is news tha the chinese have 'abducted' 5 civilians in the border area in upper subansiri district AP.
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Now that China has flatly refused to negotiate and put the blame squarely on India (imagine the gall) - does it make any sense to continue with any discussions maybe except at Modi-Xi level? Also it would be prudent for us to be pragmatic and realise that nothing of what we have done till now will force China to vacate where they have intruded. And in all this thumping and euphoria (imagine our army having to slog and climb mountains on our side of LAC instead of counter-intrusion into Chinese side) - there is no recent news of SSN where Chinese armada has blocked our patrols beyond Y-junction.
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From other dhaga.
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ndia denies huts, tents and even Chairs to Chinese Soldiers who came for a Brigadier level “peace talks

Made my Sunday. :rotfl:
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Every thing is a negotiating gambit ...

Our problem is not whether to talk or not BUT that we/India/Indians think talking, plotting and fighting cannot be done at the same time. This has been our weakness. Chinese have no compunction talking and plotting at the same time.

Just because we have occupied some commanding heights does not mean they Chinese will roll over the next instant. Did anyone expect that? The Chinese will take their own time, assess the impact of the Indian actions, see if they have any other counter options and then decide on their next course of action. They might finally realize negotiation as the only way but even then they will jockey for creating advantage for themselves in negotiations over an extended period of time trying every trick. ONLY then we will see any movement on the ground. OTOH, the Chinese might decide they have other better counter options and we might see some counter action soon.

In any-case, If our new position in the Pangong tso area is sound which it is, we should not worry about if the Chinese vacate or not or negotiate or not.

We are dealing sector by sector. Pangong tso was responded to in the same sector. SSN sector response would have been in the same sector that has not been disclosed. IIRC, we have executed 30+ re-alignment of our troops across the Ladakh LAC out of which only 4 have been done in the Pangang tso sector. Again, an Indian re-alignment will have to be processed by the other side.

Just because India did something does not mean that the Chinese will just fold and back away.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/c ... 2020-09-05
China's aggressive behaviour violates bilateral agreement: Rajnath Singh to Chinese Defence Minister
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh told his Chinese counterpart Wei Fenghe that China's aggressive behaviour is in violation of bilateral agreement.
Abhishek Bhalla, New Delhi, September 5, 2020

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh told Chinese Defence Minister General Wei Fenghe that China's aggressive behaviour is in violation of bilateral agreements between the two countries. Both defence ministers sat down for a joint meeting accompanied by high-level delegations in Moscow on Friday. Singh and Fenghe are in Russia for the meeting of member nations of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).
a statement released on Indian Defence Ministry's official Twitter handle, Rajnath Singh conveyed India’s position on the developments along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) including in the Galwan valley in the Western Sector of the India-China Border Areas in the last few months.
"Raksha Mantri emphasised that the actions of the Chinese troops, including amassing of a large number of troops, their aggressive behaviour and attempts to unilaterally alter the status quo were in violation of the bilateral agreements," said the statement.The meeting lasted for 2 hours and 20 minutes.
Singh stated clearly that "while the Indian troops had always taken a very responsible approach towards border management, but at the same time there should also be no doubt about our determination to protect India’s sovereignty and territorial integrity."
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Thank goodness there has been no agreement so far. The talks went for 2.5 hours, so something is definitely cooking, despite the public messaging.

Need to watch GoI's next moves. If GoI crackdown more on Chinese business interest, then we are on the right track.
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In my business negotiations experience I've noticed the following:
- The side that wants to close the negotiation quickly ends up making more concessions than the side that is not pressed for time.
- Its quite OK to have meetings with no progress. That doesn't mean the deal will fall through.
- Ambiguity cuts both ways, can be used to one's advantage as well.
- If you want to be liked by the other party then you have no business sitting at the negotiation table.
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nam wrote:Need to watch GoI's next moves. If GoI crackdown more on Chinese business interest, then we are on the right track.
GoI might wait for the Jaishankar-Wang Yi meeting unless, of course, PLAGF tries to do something with its conscript force. Then, all bets would be off and GoI would go back to its punishment cycle.
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Suraj wrote:
amar_p wrote:I hope you & Ramana are right about MAD. May be I'm not as confident sitting where I am, a bit away from the action.

I must admit being far less confident about Tibet becoming something one day, it becoming a new Cuba against PRC seems very far fetched at this point. We can reassess post Nov elections.
Maybe so, but remember it doesn’t just matter what you have in mind and desire to say. It also matters that you understand who reads these forums too . I hope you’re also thinking carefully about what others who read the forum think of what you say, from their points of view .
I get your point.
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Good first steps. We need to edge forward until they react. If they don't then continue forward. They've always done the same now we are playing the same game. The only way for this to stop is to fight a war or negotiate hard boundaries.
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https://swarajyamag.com/insta/itbp-jawa ... ng-the-lac
ITBP Jawans Establish Hold On New Heights, Now Command Over 39 Defence Positions Along The LAC
In a further strengthening of the Indian positions along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), at least 30 personnel of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) have occupied new posts near the key Black Top area which oversees the Chinese movement in the region, reports Times of India.

New dominating heights held by the ITBP troopers lie near the south of Pangong Tso. This comes merely days after the ITBP's Director-General SS Deswal had spent six days sensitising the troopers. Following Deswal's visit to the frontal positions, ITBP's Inspector-General (Operations) MS Rawat had shared, "It's the first time we are present in the dominating heights in a good number."

The troopers have moved through the Phurchuk La Pass located at a height of 4,995 metres to capture the new heights which were earlier unoccupied. Also, before this, the ITBP had only been present towards the north of Pangong at Dhan Singh Post near Finger 2 and Finger 3 area.

Along with the Indian Army and the Special Frontier Force (SFF), the ITBP now hold dominating heights in hills near Helmet Top, Black Top and Yellow Bump which oversee Chinese PLA Post 42830 on its south and Digging Area and Chuti Chamla on its west.

ITBP alone now holds more than 39 permanent defence positions along the LAC where its troopers are present.
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Some thoughts on the "2500 to 3000" number deployed at the heights.

1. During the 2-3 month talks, 2nd stage acclimatization carried out of maybe 3 to 4 battalions.

2. Deployment along the ridge lines could be such that rotation of troops occurs every 2 weeks, say, from bases about 200 m difference in elevation, so that acclimatization continues during the deployment. In other words, the troops at the top exchange positions with the troops at the base directly below them. This would have reduced the need for the number of vanguard troops in the initial operation who would have been from the SFF and therefore, more genetically acclimatized to those altitudes.

3. Sleeping out in the open during with that windchill is something only the IA can do. It did so *under fire* in Kargil for 2 months or so. Maybe time to start laying inflatable hoses to pump drinking water etc.

4. Imagine the nerves of steel and fire discipline of the troops and the junior officers. These are the same guys who when deployed on the LoC are tasked to fire at unauthorized movement. Here, in eyeball to eyeball confrontation, they have not fired a shot, because those are the orders.

Aside: Request to Pankajs and YIP, please share the map coordinates of the features you are referring to, so we can look at those as well on GE. I can't locate these features by their names.
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What on earth is going on here? 3 Chinese citizens happen to be 'lost in a border area in North Sikkim?

https://m.rediff.com/news/report/pix-ar ... 200905.htm
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SSridhar wrote:
nam wrote:Need to watch GoI's next moves. If GoI crackdown more on Chinese business interest, then we are on the right track.
GoI might wait for the Jaishankar-Wang Yi meeting unless, of course, PLAGF tries to do something with its conscript force. Then, all bets would be off and GoI would go back to its punishment cycle.
Economic bamboo can not be applied too fast, as then we will soon run out of the medicine. It must be applied at regular intervals, just when the Sugarland thinks the worst is over, there is the next installment.
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g.sarkar wrote: Economic bamboo can not be applied too fast, as then we will soon run out of the medicine. It must be applied at regular intervals, just when the Sugarland thinks the worst is over, there is the next installment.
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It is required to remove chinis, off our market. This is the only way our companies can grow. Along with international market, our companies are getting killed in India, due to chini under quoting.

It is more important to kick Chinese out of market, than finger4
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g.sarkar wrote:https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... cMnxI.html

Wei added that the “cause and truth” of the current tension on the China-India border are very clear, and the responsibility lies entirely with the Indian side. “Not an inch of China’s territory should be lost. The Chinese military has the resolve, capability and confidence to safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” the Chinese defence minister said.
If I was a PRC citizen, my working assumption is that the CCP/PLA are lying, unless proven otherwise. So, I would interpret this statement as:

1) China i.e. 11 is to blame for this situation

2) “Chinese” territory has been lost

3) The Chinese military has no will to fight and has no confidence in the leadership i.e. 11
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arshyam wrote:
Y I Patel wrote:TOI reporting that ITBP has now reinforced SFF in the Kala Top area

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 941669.cms

Let's add a couple of passes to our knowledge - Phurchuk La pass is the one from where our soldiers seem to be getting access to Kala Top, Yellow Bump (yes, there's that too!) and Chuti Chanla which, going by the suffix la, seems to be the pass through which the Chinese used to access South Bank of Pangong Tso:

Image
That LAC needs a bit of straightening, methinks, too slanted towards the south west, a N-S straight line is much better, no? :mrgreen: :evil:
Enhanced the map little bit. Very good labeling of south Pangong Tso Area.

Image

Notice the hairpin bends in road to the right of black top in google earth location below. Shows the will of the Chinese to build infrastructure and have control over the areas occupied. We need to really acknowledge and salute our boys who occupied the heights inspite of the lack of such infrastructure on our side.
https://earth.google.com/web/@33.62449361,78.78619966,5086.75078208a,1645.24075258d,35y,35.84680422h,59.98295286t,0r
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The economic measures were necessarily part of the carrot and stick policy, hoping the Chinese would withdraw and restore "status quo" in exchange of for us also reversing the economic measures. And IIRC the only official step we have taken is banning some apps (If I'm not missing any others here), rest like holding up imports, "talk" on Chinese telecom gear were not made official policy so that they can be used as bargaining chips in negotiations. Of course it will not go back to how it used to be 100%, some measures like the app ban will stay for some time.
Besides, while we put our wet dream asks for any talks, realistically the Chinese starting position will be not just be reversal of all economic measures, but also likely involve participation in belt and road initiative etc.
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williams wrote:Notice the hairpin bends in road to the right of black top in google earth location below. Shows the will of the Chinese to build infrastructure and have control over the areas occupied. We need to really acknowledge and salute our boys who occupied the heights inspite of the lack of such infrastructure on our side.
https://earth.google.com/web/@33.62449361,78.78619966,5086.75078208a,1645.24075258d,35y,35.84680422h,59.98295286t,0r
Yup I too noticed this after some time, which is more evidence that we don't actually control Black top and Helmet (Helmat?) top. Unfortunately this area is obscured by cloud cover in the latest GE images of 6/15/2020, or we could have made out the dispositions of forces there.
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williams wrote:
Notice the hairpin bends in road to the right of black top in google earth location below. Shows the will of the Chinese to build infrastructure and have control over the areas occupied. We need to really acknowledge and salute our boys who occupied the heights inspite of the lack of such infrastructure on our side.
https://earth.google.com/web/@33.62449361,78.78619966,5086.75078208a,1645.24075258d,35y,35.84680422h,59.98295286t,0r
The road with the hair pin bends pass through a lower portion of the black top mountain and it seems to connect to south bank of Pangong Tso rather than to the top of Black Top. If the chinese camps are in the lower portion than at the top of BT hill, we could have captured the top. Perhaps, that's where the two contradicting reports arise from. NG says the chinese camps are still there but other news outlets say we captured BT hill. It could be that both are correct. Though it's unlikely that the chinese would not set up camp right at the top.
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hanumadu wrote:
williams wrote:
Notice the hairpin bends in road to the right of black top in google earth location below. Shows the will of the Chinese to build infrastructure and have control over the areas occupied. We need to really acknowledge and salute our boys who occupied the heights inspite of the lack of such infrastructure on our side.
https://earth.google.com/web/@33.62449361,78.78619966,5086.75078208a,1645.24075258d,35y,35.84680422h,59.98295286t,0r
The road with the hair pin bends pass through a lower portion of the black top mountain and it seems to connect to south bank of Pangong Tso rather than to the top of Black Top. If the chinese camps are in the lower portion than at the top of BT hill, we could have captured the top. Perhaps, that's where the two contradicting reports arise from. NG says the chinese camps are still there but other news outlets say we captured BT hill. It could be that both are correct. Though it's unlikely that the chinese would not set up camp right at the top.

Unlikely pla will set up camp at top ...their camp must be till their motor tranasport can reach ... their cameras etc cpuld be at top..imho
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^^ Very likely setup previous to India's move ... Now that India is on the ridge at the Bump, it is very likely the Chinese have taken position on Black top.
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williams wrote:
arshyam wrote: That LAC needs a bit of straightening, methinks, too slanted towards the south west, a N-S straight line is much better, no? :mrgreen: :evil:
Enhanced the map little bit. Very good labeling of south Pangong Tso Area.

Image

Notice the hairpin bends in road to the right of black top in google earth location below. Shows the will of the Chinese to build infrastructure and have control over the areas occupied. We need to really acknowledge and salute our boys who occupied the heights inspite of the lack of such infrastructure on our side.
https://earth.google.com/web/@33.62449361,78.78619966,5086.75078208a,1645.24075258d,35y,35.84680422h,59.98295286t,0r
Lot of ex army folks on twitter are stating that the above map looks to be from ops room.
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Ofc it is ..with grid references. .. GR
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I believe the BT top is with IA ..if we go by stmts by ex rgens who are saying PLA cant look into chushul bowl ..if BT top is with PLA they can look into chushul bowl?
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Many tops/heights through out the LAC is with IA (and ITBF...). How many, cannot be disclosed, but the numbers and sectors in the news are a miniscule number. When the COAS said that we are ready for the campaign season, we had completed all our moves. Chinese have nothing left to move to. If they have G me dum then come and dislodge us.
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fanne wrote:Many tops/heights through out the LAC is with IA (and ITBF...). How many, cannot be disclosed, but the numbers and sectors in the news are a miniscule number. When the COAS said that we are ready for the campaign season, we had completed all our moves. Chinese have nothing left to move to. If they have G me dum then come and dislodge us.
bilkul sahi... i think either way they are up for loss of face ( get kinetic or non kinetic) ... being supposedly the big daddy. the def min gen ting tong is saying we cant tolerate an inch loss of chini territory !!
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nam wrote:Thank goodness there has been no agreement so far. The talks went for 2.5 hours, so something is definitely cooking, despite the public messaging.

Need to watch GoI's next moves. If GoI crackdown more on Chinese business interest, then we are on the right track.
The Chinese are adamantly giving nothing to India. That’s their ploy to make India anxious to accept even a tiny morsel, whenever the Chinese decide to give that morsel.
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g.sarkar wrote:
Indian army personnel waved the Tibetan "Snow Mountain Lion Flag" at the confrontation site, the video of which went viral in the Chinese social media. Chinese social media space has been buzzing with calls for an "appropriate counterattack".
Does anyone have the said video?
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In this image, the yellow and orange markings are very significant. The markings are noticeable even on the north bank of Pangong Tso, and the colors correspond to known Indian and Chinese positions. Given the markings, note what no one in media is talking about - the markings to the northeast of Kala Top

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