Exercise Co-operative Cope Thunder

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Postby khan » 05 Aug 2004 18:59

Found the below here, dunno what it is, sounds like an academic paper of some kind:
c. The process of reviewing military units is necessary in coalition operations in order to have a clear understanding of the differing capabilities of these units to ensure mission success, be it at the tactical, operational or strategic levels. However, the onus is on the Component commanders to discuss military capabilities and for the overall Mission Commander to match these units and their capabilities with tasks in order to be successful.

Added later: Mission commander seems to be what it sounds like. OOTH the article seemed to imply that the whole IAF contingent was given mission commander status (The reporting seemed shoddy though...) :?:

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Postby Rudra » 05 Aug 2004 19:15

so the IAF leader was given a cmdr post in the raid planning group ?
british and german tornadoes were there I think, with the germans A2G.

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Postby khan » 05 Aug 2004 19:20

Sounds like it. It would be interesting to know if the commanders job is given by merit or rotation.

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Postby Himanshu » 06 Aug 2004 10:47

IAF pictures uploaded on this page..

http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/PhotoAlbum46.html

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Postby Jagan » 06 Aug 2004 11:43

Himanshu wrote:IAF pictures uploaded on this page..

http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/PhotoAlbum46.html


Woohoo :eek: :shock: 8) WHAT A FIND

http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/.Pictu ... arAR2w.jpg

Luverly air to air pic...eh what? 8)

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Postby JTull » 06 Aug 2004 11:48

Himanshu wrote:IAF pictures uploaded on this page..

http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/PhotoAlbum46.html


Nice pictures!

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topcover.com - Mark Farmer

Postby rajpa » 06 Aug 2004 15:30

please remember to thank Mark Farmer for those photos... he is shortly visiting India to fly in Su-30... !

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Postby Rudra » 06 Aug 2004 18:17

will it be a peter steinmann type shoot with IAF laying out red carpet and squads of fighters for his lens ?

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Postby JaiS » 06 Aug 2004 19:16

rajpa wrote:please remember to thank Mark Farmer for those photos... he is shortly visiting India to fly in Su-30... !


And who is Mark Farmer ?

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Postby Rudra » 06 Aug 2004 19:31

a guy with contacts and a EOS-1D ? :twisted:

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Postby rajpa » 07 Aug 2004 09:47

JaiS wrote:
rajpa wrote:please remember to thank Mark Farmer for those photos... he is shortly visiting India to fly in Su-30... !


And who is Mark Farmer ?


pictures at topcover.com are from him - free lance photographer who flies with the american military on these missions.. the pictures of the last cope thunder etc were taken by him...

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Postby Jagan » 07 Aug 2004 10:45

rajpa wrote:please remember to thank Mark Farmer for those photos... he is shortly visiting India to fly in Su-30... !


Interesting. Has he already got the clearance to fly with the Su-30s? That will be a first for a foreign journalist in more than fifteen years.

Only other photographers who got to shoot air to air with fighters was Kunal Verma during Akash Yoddha shoot and NDTV's (aur BRF's own) Vishnu Som got to fly in the Mirage 2000s just after Kargil.

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Postby Shankar » 07 Aug 2004 12:41

iI fail to understand the hula hola of some photographer getting to flu a flanker.Purely from photographic stand point it does not produce much of agood photograph when the photographers is shooting from inside the aircraft the vision angle is very very limited.The air to air photographs taken by other IAF aircraft is always many many time better since it gives a birds eye perspective of graceful aircraft in flight/I am sure no iaf pilot will do a cobra or even a 6g turn or a barrel roll or a vertical scissor with a untrained civilian photographer on board.If they do the gleaming sukhoi will stink of piss and vomit for years to come.

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Postby rajpa » 07 Aug 2004 13:43

shankarghosh wrote:iI fail to understand the hula hola of some photographer getting to flu a flanker.Purely from photographic stand point it does not produce much of agood photograph when the photographers is shooting from inside the aircraft the vision angle is very very limited.The air to air photographs taken by other IAF aircraft is always many many time better since it gives a birds eye perspective of graceful aircraft in flight/I am sure no iaf pilot will do a cobra or even a 6g turn or a barrel roll or a vertical scissor with a untrained civilian photographer on board.If they do the gleaming sukhoi will stink of piss and vomit for years to come.


this chap has "flu"ed in f-15... check out the site... i think most of us are happy to see some nice photographs of the jags in cope thunder... nothing wrong to say thanks i guess..

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Postby Rudra » 07 Aug 2004 16:00

imagine this photo in Leh with our plane
http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/.Pictu ... F15J5w.jpg

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Postby George J » 07 Aug 2004 18:30

shankarghosh wrote:iI fail to understand the hula hola of some photographer getting to flu a flanker.Purely from photographic stand point it does not produce much of agood photograph when the photographers is shooting from inside the aircraft the vision angle is very very limited.The air to air photographs taken by other IAF aircraft is always many many time better since it gives a birds eye perspective of graceful aircraft in flight/I am sure no iaf pilot will do a cobra or even a 6g turn or a barrel roll or a vertical scissor with a untrained civilian photographer on board.If they do the gleaming sukhoi will stink of piss and vomit for years to come.


Whats this? Another VI post? How exactly can you take a picture from 'another IAF a/c' and still not be subject the limited 'vision angle'. All pictures of fancy manouvers I have seen are taken either from the ground or another a/c with 'limited vision angle'. Besides with any manouver you need to take a STILL that shows the essence of the manouver and you dont do that from inside the a/c.

Also what is the vision angle? Even if you are inside the a/c your lens's focal length allows you to see well beyond the canopy to take good pics. :-?

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Postby Mohan Raju » 07 Aug 2004 22:57

shankarghosh wrote:iI fail to understand the hula hola of some photographer getting to flu a flanker.


Well then, perhaps this will help your failure of understanding: Obviously there are a few people on this forum with nothing better to do than reply to the dork posts that people like you and Veerav make, as if you are really making a smart observation or two. People with this low a regard for the value of their own time oviously get their cheap thrills from watching theses pictures, so why do you have to worry? Let them waste their time, the smart ones like you know better.

There, does that explain it for you?

I am sure no iaf pilot will do a cobra or even a 6g turn or a barrel roll or a vertical scissor ...


Oh my god, oh my god, you are so smart! You know all these fancy aerobatic terms... cobra, barrel roll, scissor (what, no Immeleman? What do you have against Immelman?). You are obviously an authority on the subject. We should all learn from you, the Master.

:roll:

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Postby Vaibhav » 08 Aug 2004 19:48

Cool Pics!!! :)

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Postby Ajith » 09 Aug 2004 10:35

Hi Mohan Raju

Well said .. my dear friend :D Some people need this ..\

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Postby JaiS » 10 Aug 2004 18:50

A few pics from Cope Thunder 2003 :

EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- An Indian IL-76 taxis into a parking spot on the Eielson flight line. This is the first time a Soviet-built IL-76 has participated in Cooperative Cope Thunder. Photo by Jeff Turkel. Courtesy of Pacific Air Forces News Service.

[url=http://www2.hickam.af.mil/pacaf/newsarchive/2003/200306/images/2003169.jpg]EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- An Indian IL-76 descends into Eielson with the Alaska Range in the background. The aircraft and crew is practicing airlift tactics as part of Cooperative Cope Thunder, Pacific Air Force's multi-lateral air combat exercise. Photo by Senior Airman Rachel Goff. Courtesy of Pacific Air Forces News Service.
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Postby JaiS » 10 Aug 2004 19:06

British AWACS plane watching Alaska's airspace


The United Kingdom is one of 12 nations with aircraft at Elmendorf and Eielson Air Force Bases for Cooperative Cope Thunder, a multi-national annual training exercise.

And the British Royal Air Force is one of three nations to bring an Airborne Warning and Control System-equipped plane to help provide radar and mapping for the airborne exercises. The plane is one of seven in the Royal Air Force.

During Cope Thunder, Palmer said his crew tracks between 50 and 70 aircraft simulated as either a coalition or enemy force.

"Is it realistic? Yes," said Palmer, noting that the vast airspace of Alaska gives opportunities to train that the squadron cannot find in the limited European theater. "It's just enough to get the hairs pricking on the back of your neck."







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Squadron 8 member Kaptain Kaos shows off some of the instruments on the plane.

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Postby Rudra » 10 Aug 2004 19:35

the E3 monitor and keyboard look very early 1980s IBM/AT&T type.
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Postby Vick » 10 Aug 2004 20:10

JaiS wrote:8) :D 8) :)


Nice!!!

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Postby JaiS » 10 Aug 2004 20:20

Vick wrote:Nice!!!


Can I have DN articles more frequently, pleease ? :D J/K.


More Images ( Non - IAF ).

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EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- An F-16C Fighting Falcon from the 428th Fighter Squadron at Cannon Air Force Base, N.M., takes off for a training mission during exercise cooperative cope thunder here July 19. Cope thunder is the largest multilateral air combat training exercise in the Pacific and simulates the wartime conditions pilots would face in combat.[/url]

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EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- Senior Airman Jason Ernst inspects a wing tip of an F-16 Fighting Falcon before a mission supporting operation Cooperative Cope Thunder on July 12. Airman Ernst is a crew chief with the California Air National Guard's 144th Fighter Wing in Fresno.[/url]

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OVER ALASKA (AFPN) -- Boom operator Master Sgt. Keith Henrys watches as a Navy F/A-18F Super Hornet approaches a KC-135R Stratotanker drogue for refueling July 21 during an exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder 2004-01 mission. Sergeant Henrys and the tanker are assigned to the Alaska Air National Guard's 168th Air Refueling Squadron at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska. Aircraft and crews from Naval Air Station Lemoore, Calif., are taking part in the exercise. [/url]


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OVER ALASKA (AFPN) -- A German GR-4 Tornado uses a KC-135R Stratotanker drogue during a refueling mission July 21 while participating in exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder 2004-01. The tanker and crew are assigned to the Alaska Air National Guard's 168th Air Refueling Squadron at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska.[/url]



EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- Master Sgt. Steven Forgue inspects a drogue refueling basket on a KC-135R Stratotanker before taking off for a refueling mission in support of Cooperative Cope Thunder 2004-01 here July 21. Sergeant Forgue is a boom operator with the Alaska Air National Guard's 168th Air Refueling Squadron.

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Postby Kartik » 10 Aug 2004 23:27

iI fail to understand the hula hola of some photographer getting to flu a flanker.Purely from photographic stand point it does not produce much of agood photograph when the photographers is shooting from inside the aircraft the vision angle is very very limited.The air to air photographs taken by other IAF aircraft is always many many time better since it gives a birds eye perspective of graceful aircraft in flight/I am sure no iaf pilot will do a cobra or even a 6g turn or a barrel roll or a vertical scissor with a untrained civilian photographer on board.If they do the gleaming sukhoi will stink of piss and vomit for years to come


:roll:. other than "purely photographic stand-point", what other stand points could you point to us, the less gifted ? and did you think that the other air-to-air pics taken by the IAF were taken by the photographer standing outside the aircraft ? or maybe having the canopy raised ? :D

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Postby Shishir » 11 Aug 2004 07:03

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EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- An Indian Air Force member from the 78th Squadron prepares an IL-78 refueling aircraft to takeoff for a refueling mission during exercise Cooperative Cope here July 30. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Matthew Hannen)

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Postby jrjrao » 18 Aug 2004 03:00

Jaguars in US exploits

New Delhi, Aug. 17: Indian Air Force bombers returned to base today after war games hosted by America in Alaska. Air force sources said the bombers had penetrated US air defence twice.

The IAF had deployed six Jaguar deep-penetration strike aircraft to Alaska for the fortnight-long Exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder 04-01 that ended on July 30. The IAF had also sent two IL-76 heavy duty transporters, its two new IL-78 refuellers and more than 200 personnel.

The sources said the Jaguars had penetrated defensive cover and scored “direct hits” on ground targets in ranges in Alaska.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040818/a ... 639785.asp

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Postby jrjrao » 18 Aug 2004 03:00

Jaguar thunder rips US shield

New Delhi, Aug. 17: Indian Air Force bombers returned to base today after war games hosted by the US in Alaska in which they claimed to have penetrated through US air defence twice, it was disclosed at a “hot debriefing” at their base in Ambala this afternoon.

The IAF had deployed six Jaguar deep-penetration strike aircraft to Alaska for the fortnight-long Exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder 04-01 that ended on July 30. The IAF had also sent two IL-76 heavy-duty transporters, its two new IL-78 refuellers and more than 200 personnel led by Group Captain S. Nanodkar.

Air force sources said the Jaguars had penetrated through defensive cover and scored “direct hits” on ground targets in ranges in Alaska. The war games involved sorties from the Eielson and Elmendorf air force bases. The war games are hosted by the US Pacific Command Air Force.

In February this year, in war games hosted by India named Cope India, IAF MiGs gave the US air force F-15Cs a hard time. It was acknowledged by a US military journal, Inside the Air Force, and by a general of the US Air Combat Command, Hal Hornburg, that the exercise had revealed that the US air force capabilities were not as vastly superior as had been presumed.

Details of war games are slow to emanate because participants do not want to comment before analysing the experience. The team was taken for the “hot debriefing” as a routine in Ambala, the home base of the Jaguars that were deployed, for the IAF top brass to assess the results of the war games.

Exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder 04-01 was a multinational Dissimilar Combat Training Exercise that involved air forces from Asia-Pacific and Nato countries — Canada, the UK, Germany, Mongolia, Singapore, Japan and Malaysia among others. Not all countries deployed fighter aircraft.

The Indian Air Force began an intensive series of international exercises with Exercise Garuda with the French in Gwalior last year. That was an eye-opener for the IAF which took a beating in the drill with French Mirages, some flown by pilots who had seen action in the skies over Kosovo. The French had superior avionics with ability to strike Beyond Visual Range.

In the India-US exercise in February this year, the Americans had deployed ageing aircraft that are part of the US air force frontline but cannot be said to be at the cutting edge, technologically.

The Indian Air Force is now preparing contingents for fresh international exercises in September and October. Next month, an IAF contingent comprising four Mirage 2000 multi-role aircraft from their home base in Gwalior will fly to South Africa for another multinational exercise hosted by the South African Air Force called Exercise Golden Eagle.

The contingent, to be led by Group Captain T.S. Ahluwalia, will leave Gwalior on September 11 and include an IL 79 heavy transporter and an IL 78 refueller. Gwalior is the base for two IAF Mirage squadrons and the Tactics and Air Combat Development Establishment that draws up plans for drills and war games. The contingent will fly to Thiruvananthapuram and is likely to touch down in Mauritius and Madagascar.

The South African Air Force is also known to fly a different variant of Mirage fighters. Also participating in Exercise Golden Eagle will be elements of the US, German and the British air forces.

In October, the IAF will engage six F-16 fighters being brought over by the Singapore Air Force.

The IAF does not have the American F-16s in its inventory but the Pakistan Air Force flies the aircraft. The exercises with the Singapore force will include sorties over Kalaikunda, Gwalior and Pokhran in mid-October.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040818/a ... 639382.asp

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Postby Niranjan » 18 Aug 2004 03:18

Waiting for the F-16s to come over.

CT-04 results are nice.

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Postby Div » 18 Aug 2004 05:00

Its good to see this increase in international exercises...with the IL-78s being key.

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Postby Singha » 18 Aug 2004 05:04

Bring it on!

my fantasy exercise in 06 with full spec Vet-mk3 MKI and Litening2
is "Strike Sultan 1 "

12 MKI + 12 F15-I Raam on A2G DPSA sorties over Pokhran flying with
AAR from Nagpur.

Nothing like spreading some panic in the 'hood

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Postby Kartik » 18 Aug 2004 05:37

this is amazing ! the IAF could probably get a first-hand look at tactics that the SAAF may use for employing the T-Darter missiles that PAF may get. also, since they're gonna be using the Cheetahs and they're basically upgraded Mirages, should give the IAF a good feel for the Mirages that the PAF operates. could also pave the way for future exercises with SAAF Gripens.

Its amazing how we're not overtly publicising our pilots flying IDF fighters. I'd say that carrying out exercises with them would benefit the most.

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Postby khan » 18 Aug 2004 08:48

Kartik wrote:Its amazing how we're not overtly publicising our pilots flying IDF fighters. I'd say that carrying out exercises with them would benefit the most.

Once we start publicizing the IDF exercises, those exercises may not last very long given unkills molly-coddling of TSP. It will also cause problems in India's relationship with the ME and the IDF may not like it (US pressure).

India is getting what it wants, better leave it that way.

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Postby putnanja » 18 Aug 2004 09:09

Alaska to SA, IAF spreads Mirage wings

Talking of procurement, he said they are ‘‘not on a shopping spree’’ and that the aim is to ensure ‘‘maximum return on investment’’. He also said India was scheduled to get two more tankers from Russia and the process of upgrading 125 MIG 21 aircraft was nearly complete.

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Postby Priyank » 18 Aug 2004 09:56

The ToI article on role the IL-78 during Exercise Coperative Cope Thunder mentions that it can carry upto 118 tonnes of fuel.

I am sure some of you are going to have a nice time doing all kinds of math using that datum.

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Postby JTull » 18 Aug 2004 10:01

Six tankers is mighty less for and air force the size of IAF. I bet IAF, itself, would be surprised as the rate it was able to install AA probes in so many of it's aircraft. We shouldn't be waiting for the last two Midas to be delivered. Let's order about a dozen more.


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