Cope India 2005 - Kalaikunda AFS - Part I

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Postby Arun_S » 19 Nov 2005 01:47

Acharya wrote:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/showde ... &cat=India


India showcases military might to foreign observers
Pokhran (Rajasthan) | November 18, 2005 6:15:06 PM IST

Indian Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee Friday joined military officials from 40 countries, including China and the US, to watch Indian armed forces showcase their firepower and strike capabilities here.

It is the first time that India has invited military observers from foreign countries to witness one of its wargames. Exercise Desert Strike in the deserts of Pokhran featured tank and artillery units of the army and frontline combat jets of the air force.

"It is a novel idea that observers have been invited to witness the exercise. The basic objective of India's foreign and security policy is based on two no's - no territorial ambition and no export of ideology," said the minister.


WTF no export of ideology :evil:.
India does and will export ideology of civilian lead democracy and non-theocratic statehood.

Sorry ... I forgot to add bollywood & culture export. 8)

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Postby George J » 19 Nov 2005 01:55

Our ideology IS "No territorial ambitions or export of our ideology".

Where did ***** go? I thought I saw him post something. I cant sleep or eat till I get and answer from him. Now if off to lunch. :twisted:

Oh and before I forget: BAN Arun and Acharya.

Edited by Admin AS: George: Report to the principal's office. Chek phone. 8)

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Postby Dileep » 19 Nov 2005 01:59

GJ, couldn't resist this. You are now the ban-aana of BRF. Congrats!

(Ref: AANA in Mallu is elephant)

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Postby Arun_S » 19 Nov 2005 02:29

George J wrote:Our ideology IS "No territorial ambitions or export of our ideology".

Where did ***** go? I thought I saw him post something. I cant sleep or eat till I get and answer from him. Now if off to lunch. :twisted:


Dude if **** now goes on a month leave, per your declarative promise that would be your last meal to die of food starvation and sleep depravation. Unless you dip in your emergency ration of crow soup :twisted:

Pls do not invoke the name of **** in vain or trivia. Bharamastra ka prayog samay par kana hi uchit hai 8).

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Postby AnantK » 19 Nov 2005 02:37

I know you folks are happily digesting Cope India but the Indian Army has started Desert Strike. I posted photo links in the Indian Army Thread. Why am I posting here? Check out the helo in the army photo.

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Postby sudipn » 19 Nov 2005 02:45

George J wrote:There is no question of what to bomb or not bomb in the "WVR engagements". The engagement is between an MKI and something. The MKI is either in an offensive mode (escorting a strike package) or defensive mode (CAP). Since BVR was out of the question the MKI patiently waits for its adversary to come into R-73 range. The question is whats different about the MKI in these two situations it affects its performance in WVR enagagements.

The hypothesis was that an MKI is an MKI in any situation BVR or WVR. Thats what makes it an MKI. Its an air-dominance fighter. Now we hear that its can only dominate in offensive WVR but not defensive WVR. So this begs the question why? Is the load out making a difference? Also in an exercise why would it? Its not flying its usual "air defence config" its just flying with R-73 training rounds.

Too many questions.

Boss you forget that in a offensive mode the MKI itself can carry a very heavy bomb load. So it will not be only escorting but also doing the actual bombing..
well this mission is a offensive mission ... a offensive mission is deemed 100 successful if its primary and secondary targets were destroyed... for this mission it is not always necessary to engage and kill the enemy.. if the target is destroyed and the strike package comes back even without killing the enemy it is still deemed as a successful offensive mission...
On the other had in role reversal if the MKI does manage to kill a few escorting fighters but then still the target area which it is protecting gets bombed then the defensive mission is deemed a faliure...

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Postby George J » 19 Nov 2005 02:59

sudipn wrote:Boss you forget that in a offensive mode the MKI itself can carry a very heavy bomb load. So it will not be only escorting but also doing the actual bombing..well this mission is a offensive mission ... a offensive mission is deemed 100 successful if its primary and secondary targets were destroyed... for this mission it is not always necessary to engage and kill the enemy.. if the target is destroyed and the strike package comes back even without killing the enemy it is still deemed as a successful offensive mission..



Thats now I am in interpreting this:
Vishnu wrote:....As far as the WVR Su-30 MKI engagement was concerned ... there were at least two engagements ... one where the MKI was offensive and one where it was defensive. Though I suspect the MKI won the one on one when it was in an offensive position ... I am not sure what happened when it was defensive.


You talking mission...him talking engagement. Engagment is a subset of the mission.

Oh anyway I am on detention...so I cant press this matter further. :oops:

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Postby Y I Patel » 19 Nov 2005 03:09

I have some comments on Desert Strike in the Army discussion thread.

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Postby Raman » 19 Nov 2005 03:24

George J,

Being a WVR fight, putting someone in offensive/defensive positions
is often nothing more than issues of initial energy (alt, speed) and
relative placement (aft of 3/9 line).

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Postby Gerard » 19 Nov 2005 04:14

Photo Gallery from the Hindustan Times

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/625_ ... 3910,0.htm

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Postby Naidu » 19 Nov 2005 04:23

yogindra wrote:Isn't inviting china is same thing as honoring TSP?


It would seem so, but the MoD are no fools. Letting the Chini watch the exercise so that they can confirm the worst fears of their all weather friends.

Paki: "What did you see? Did the Yindoos run away fast?"

Chini: "You better introduce long distance running away into your basic training syllabus!"

Paki: "1 Paki = 10 Yindoos. We can run away 10 times faster already!"

Chini: "I hope so, friend. Hey, are those dark clouds coming in from the east? Gotta run, see ya later!"

GJ Man: "Ban Naidu for a thread hijack and using too many exclamations!!"

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Postby yogindra » 19 Nov 2005 04:44

:D :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

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Postby Rich » 19 Nov 2005 04:45

Naidu wrote:GJ Man: "Ban Naidu for a thread hijack and using too many exclamations!!"

8) Image

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Postby appuseth » 19 Nov 2005 05:30

I doubt the IAF would show the MKI's full capabilities even in WVR combat. :wink:

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Postby Naidu » 19 Nov 2005 08:07

http://www2.hickam.af.mil/pacaf/news/20 ... 051114.htm

Exercise a great success, U.S., Indian AF leaders say

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Exercise scenarios began with basic fighter maneuvers before building up to large force employments of mixed aircraft packages flying against one another. In one scenario, the AWACS was escorted by Indian Air Force Su-30s that flew against F-16 attackers.

“That’s 180 degrees from what I’ve always trained to and thought about,” said Lt. Col. Pete Bastien, AWACS detachment commander. “We think of the Su-30 as our adversary, but we’ve learned firsthand about the capabilities of their aircraft and the skills of their pilots.”
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Postby Naidu » 19 Nov 2005 08:11

I think this one was posted before.

http://www2.hickam.af.mil/pacaf/news/20 ... 051111.htm

U.S., Indian controllers on scope

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Postby JCage » 19 Nov 2005 08:29

Prateek wrote:Excercises like these, I would like to know more about how USAF and the falcons performed, rather than boasting by IAF. we must be proud of iaf, but time to learn more about usaf.


And when did the IAF boast? The compliments are coming in from the USAF not the IAF. Didnt know that was boasting.

And if you want to know how Falcons perform, try F-16.net - it has all the discussions possible, plus USAF servicemen posting.

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Postby JCage » 19 Nov 2005 08:31

yogindra wrote::D :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:


Ban yogindra for using too many smileys!! :mrgreen:


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