IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Avid » 21 Jul 2008 21:08

The above pictures are from Mountain Home AFB, Idaho, US See on Google Maps

Here's the direct link to the forum of Fence Check - enthusiasts from Mountain Home AFB who have posted their pictures online :)

http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index. ... 90.30.html

Folks - they have a thread for the Nellis AFB also:
* under Exercises it will likely come up as Red Flag, they have the current Red Flag Exercise pictures
* as well as under Base Visits, Photocalls and Spotters Days there is a thread for "Nellis AFB"

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It may be worthwhile for BR to contact these folks who are posting their own pictures directly to see if BR could use their pictures.
There's a gentleman by the name Kedar who is also following along (likely the MKI), perhaps we could also get pictures from him. Just my 2c worth.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Dmurphy » 22 Jul 2008 04:09

Just curious, how are they transporting the bombs to be used at Nellis? On the IL 76 with the personnel?? The sukhois are definitely not loaded.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Jagan » 22 Jul 2008 04:45

Avid wrote:
There's a gentleman by the name Kedar who is also following along (likely the MKI), perhaps we could also get pictures from him. Just my 2c worth.


Kedar is a lurker and he promised to post some pictures in the BR albums so keep your fingers crossed.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Avid » 23 Jul 2008 23:46

Thanks Jagan.

Here's some more of the SU-30MKI and IL-78 -- they have added some more pictures.
http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index. ... 90.60.html

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Avid » 24 Jul 2008 21:00

It is rather sad that Shiv does not give credit to the Mountain Home AFB for those pictures.

See the original large full resolution pictures here:
http://www.mountainhome.af.mil/news/sto ... =123107662

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Radman » 24 Jul 2008 21:42

Avid wrote:It is rather sad that Shiv does not give credit to the Mountain Home AFB for those pictures.

See the original large full resolution pictures here:
http://www.mountainhome.af.mil/news/sto ... =123107662


Avid, i concur.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby HariC » 24 Jul 2008 22:04

Avid wrote:It is rather sad that Shiv does not give credit to the Mountain Home AFB for those pictures.

See the original large full resolution pictures here:
http://www.mountainhome.af.mil/news/sto ... =123107662


At the bottom of his page he did mention Photos Courtesy US Air Force. That should suffice

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Raman » 24 Jul 2008 22:37

Check out the caption.

Indian air force pilot, Ajay Rathore, talks with Col. James Browne, 366th Fighter Wing commander,...


So Gp. Cpt. Ajay Rathore is an "air force pilot" who has somehow gotten an audience with the good Colonel/Fighter Wing Commander. :roll: What in the world happened to professional courtesy and respect?

You can also soon expect to see the standard US Airforce exercise photo: USAF staff talking to IAF staff in the "gora giving SDRE heathens some gyaan" pose.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Victor » 24 Jul 2008 22:55

Inaccuracies in the Mountain Home AFB website. We are not the only ones to suffer from ddmitis:
An Indian air force SU-30K jet touches down

This is the first time in history the Indian air force has been on American soil to train with U.S. fighters

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Jagan » 24 Jul 2008 23:43

Raman wrote:Check out the caption.

Indian air force pilot, Ajay Rathore, talks with Col. James Browne, 366th Fighter Wing commander,...


So Gp. Cpt. Ajay Rathore is an "air force pilot" who has somehow gotten an audience with the good Colonel/Fighter Wing Commander. :roll: What in the world happened to professional courtesy and respect?

You can also soon expect to see the standard US Airforce exercise photo: USAF staff talking to IAF staff in the "gora giving SDRE heathens some gyaan" pose.


they may have made one mistake but we are being too fussy here. I actually find the americans give more attention to rank and names of people than we do ourselves. In many of their official photos - they give the name and rank of the non-officer personnel. - eg. Sgt XXX of IAF, or Cpl Y of INdian Army - something unheard of in Indian media and armed forces publicity photos.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby p_saggu » 25 Jul 2008 00:44

yes and they also call the sukhois as Su-30Ks

DDM they're mutated at the genetic level I tell ya. :mrgreen:

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Shankar » 25 Jul 2008 16:13

what is in a name

the su-30 mki is there for the world to see and challenge if they are confidant enough - that includes the raptors of usaf - dont tell me the fancy raptors are not so sure

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby p_saggu » 25 Jul 2008 18:15

Aw Shankar,
Saying so on BRF doesn't change it. Massa is not going to let the raptor exercise with us anytime soon. Its too private / personal to them right now.
Maybe when PAK-FA lands in india, then maybe.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Luxtor » 26 Jul 2008 05:40

Also it is written "Indian air force" and when referring to their own it is written as "U.S. Air Force". Apparently theirs is an official/formal institution and India's organisation is just a generic entity. I've noticed such writing in the past articles too in reference to the Indian Navy about joint naval exercises. Maybe subtle/subliminal message always being sent out to their own people and others.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby srai » 26 Jul 2008 17:01

Great aerial shots!


Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag
http://www.hulu.com/watch/24197/fighter ... n-red-flag

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Raveen » 26 Jul 2008 19:38

great video...what ws surprising for me personally was to see so many aircraft with aux air intakes (just like our Jags and Tejas)

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby sum » 26 Jul 2008 21:53

great video...what ws surprising for me personally was to see so many aircraft with aux air intakes (just like our Jags and Tejas)

Link says video will play only if within US!!?? :-?

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Radman » 27 Jul 2008 01:01

srai wrote:Great aerial shots!


Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag
http://www.hulu.com/watch/24197/fighter ... n-red-flag


Srai, thanks for the heads up on the video. It is a fabulous video. If you have not seen the original IMAX presentation shown at the Air and Space Museum in Washington DC, then dont walk, run and see it !!!

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Radman » 27 Jul 2008 01:03


can't you compose a decent post without insulting somebody ??
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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Jul 2008 11:12

srai wrote:Great aerial shots!
Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag
http://www.hulu.com/watch/24197/fighter ... n-red-flag

Excellent Video. I do not know if this can be viewed outside the US or not, as one member said, but if possible see this.
Gautam


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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby p_saggu » 27 Jul 2008 19:40

Isn't the IRST supposed to be covered and is classified? Can't let just anyone photgraph it?
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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Ajay K » 28 Jul 2008 19:26

Red Flag will give IAF an opportunity to closely evaluate the Rafael in action.


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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby MukulMohanty » 29 Jul 2008 13:42

Nice, really nice... So if we fly their F-15's do they get to fly our Su-30MKI's!!

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Drevin » 29 Jul 2008 15:03

Dmurphy wrote:
its always good to have Ma-hen close by over the ocean...food, guidance and
shelter


wonderful description!

Wonder if that pic/coverage will make the Animal Planet! :rotfl:


:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby p_saggu » 29 Jul 2008 15:51

A missile right next to the fuel tank, and that too up where the fuel tank connects with the wing, and where the lines are joined !
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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby MukulMohanty » 29 Jul 2008 17:50

With a track record like the F-15, they can put the missile pretty much anywhere, if it works, don't trouble it...

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Anshul » 29 Jul 2008 19:04

Looks like our guys are in for a tough time in Nellis.I wonder if we have something back home which resembles the terrain they are going to be flying their missions on.I wonder how much is IAF willing to push the SUs.If I am not wrong..then the only infrastructure we have is the Maharajganj range.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby nred » 29 Jul 2008 21:04

JaiS wrote:From Nellis AFB's website.

Air-To-Ground

Rafale', French Air Force
F-15s, Nellis AFB, Nev.
SU-30s, Indian Air Force
F-15Ks, Republic of Korea Air Force


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So will IAF take part only in 'Air-To-Ground' exercises? That would be a bummer. But, then i guess its baby steps or did we have enough 'Air to Air' exposure in previous encounters?

Nred

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Singha » 29 Jul 2008 21:14

the dry and hilly terrain of the nellis range resembles tibet :twisted:

F15E's tend to do the 300ft , 600kmph thing down the valleys...chased
by aggressor F16s.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby sanjaykumar » 29 Jul 2008 22:49

Yeah saw a couple of F 18 in mock dogfight at low level in Death Valley area. Amazing site.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Venkarl » 30 Jul 2008 00:59

g.sarkar wrote:
srai wrote:Great aerial shots!
Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag
http://www.hulu.com/watch/24197/fighter ... n-red-flag

Excellent Video. I do not know if this can be viewed outside the US or not, as one member said, but if possible see this.
Gautam


yes they can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxqTMVkfJkA

check part 2. 3 etc also

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby RayC » 30 Jul 2008 01:03

With the Red Flag in USA
Red Flag” offers a unique opportunity to imbibe lessons in an ever evolving aerial warfare canvas of ‘long range precision strike and beyond the visual range’ operations with the best
Mural
A retired Vice Chief of the Indian Air Force had once said “we don’t talk about top guns in the IAF but we have a knowledge culture and a will to do our best”. The three star Air Mrashal’s confidence only goes on to underscore, the Air Force’s quiet and professional determination to assess its potential at Exercise Red Flag, currently underway at the Nellis Air Force Base in USA, some time in July-August, 2008.

The Red Flag, is routine exercise, conducted regularly by the US. It is conceived for realistic combat training, involving the air forces of the US and its allies. It is an advanced training program administered by the US Air Warfare Center and Nellis, through their Combat Training Squadron. Although, India does not subscribe to this political division, the American invitation to India to participate undoubtedly, stems from a perception of the IAF’s potential as global war outfit. This is a formidable opportunity to imbibe lessons in an ever evolving aerial warfare canvas of ‘long range precision strike and beyond the visual range’ operations, among others. The Air Force has nominated a second generation combat pilot Group Captain Ajay Rathore as the exercise coordinator.

The IAF’s flying team will pitt their skills against the teams from South Korea, USA and the French Air Force and compete with the F-16’s, F-15’s and the French Rafael. The exercise format is within controlled parameters of time, accuracy, flight safety, maintenance and, to some extent, the ever growing considerations of inter-operability.

The nearly 250 strong Indian contingent, led by Group Captain D Chaudhury is participating with eight SU-30 MK-I multi role combat aircraft, two IL-78 air to air refuellers and one IL-76 transport aircraft. It has a small component of a Special Forces team, Garud, as well. The IAF Chief, Air Chief Marshal Fali Major took time off to see them off on their journey through bases in Qatar, Turkey, France and Portugal.

As this issue reaches our readers, the IAF team would have arrived at Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho, US on 17 Jul 08, where they will remain till 07 Aug 08. This is a preparatory stage to streamline procedures and have a clear understanding of the new flying environment. At Mountain Home, the IAF contingent would be flying with the F-16s & F-15s of US Air Force.
http://www.salute.co.in/col_hottopic.html


From a new magazine called Salute to the Indian Soldier.

This is a magazine that is run by ex servicemen, mostly from the Indian Navy.

I found the write up more personalised than the usual third person stuff.

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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby Shivani » 30 Jul 2008 05:02

Someone help me understand what is going on in this picture:

(Edit: Now with specificity)

kakarat wrote:Image


What is that equipment? Does this kind of asymmetric layout have any affect aerodynamically and if yes, how do you counter that? Asymmetric thrust or continous rudder input?

Edit: Wait, is that the third (or second) refuelling station? The picture almost makes it look like it is mounted on the main wing.
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Re: IAF at Red Flag / Nellis AFB 2008

Postby JaiS » 30 Jul 2008 05:23

Shivani,

Could you please be more specific with your question ?

Thanks.


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