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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Bart S » 06 Apr 2020 05:44

Rishirishi wrote:
AdityaM wrote:can someone please tell me what this processor is used for

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X HEDT Processor with 64 Cores 128 Threads 292MB Cache x16 PCIe 4.0 Max Boost Clock of 4.3Ghz

it costs 3.9 lakhs on a sale!!


Most probably gaming.


Nope. Most games can barely make use of 8 threads let alone 128. Also a complete waste of money, you would get the best bang for your buck by investing in your GPU or GPUs on a gaming system, beyond a basic level of compute power investing in CPU will lead to diminishing returns.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby vimal » 06 Apr 2020 06:07

And how is this related to Indian IT industry?


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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Postby nachiket » 30 Jun 2020 04:30

What does banning an app mean exactly? Sure, it won't be available for download in the app store which is good, but in the case of apps like TikTok with a 100 million+ users in India already having downloaded it they will still have it on their phones unless they choose to delete it. The govt. might have to work with ISP's to to figure out how to stop traffic on those apps if possible.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Postby NRao » 30 Jun 2020 05:50

nachiket wrote:What does banning an app mean exactly? Sure, it won't be available for download in the app store which is good, but in the case of apps like TikTok with a 100 million+ users in India already having downloaded it they will still have it on their phones unless they choose to delete it. The govt. might have to work with ISP's to to figure out how to stop traffic on those apps if possible.


All these apps need servers, perhaps in a cloud.

India would cut the access to servers. You can do something locally, but not place the 'something' on a server for someone else to watch.

Not a big deal.

Read that Tik Tok gets 10% of their revenue in India. Ouch.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Postby darshan » 30 Jun 2020 06:00

CamScanner is the one that could cause some serious issues. It's a popular app that auto uploads all documents. This app is a treasure mine for China.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby vimal » 30 Jun 2020 12:20

I think all the remote work culture will actually benefit Indian companies. A lot of old corporations are realizing that work can be done remotely and does not need too much physical contact anyway. Interesting times ahead.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Ambar » 30 Jun 2020 22:48

For the tech savvy among you here's a question : Can those 53 odd Chinese apps be used if one spoofs the IP using a VPN on the phone ? If yes, then is there anything the government can do to block such loopholes ?

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Bart S » 01 Jul 2020 04:50

Ambar wrote:For the tech savvy among you here's a question : Can those 53 odd Chinese apps be used if one spoofs the IP using a VPN on the phone ? If yes, then is there anything the government can do to block such loopholes ?


Blocking all VPNs is challenging as a> there are a lot of legitimate VPN uses, including for corporate networks and b> modern VPN can share the same ports as web traffic and hence can be hard to block without a system that can inspect each packet of traffic and identify VPN traffic from that mix (something that has severe performance and monetary costs).

But basically if you officially make it illegal, and kill app store downloads, plus block the China IPs and ports, then probably kills about 80% of the potential usage and more importantly prevents monetization of the app usage. For e.g Abdul who makes jihadi TikTok videos stating that COVID won't affect Muslims, currently makes money by doing so, and will have to go back to working in his abbu's puncture shop and will have to spend his own dime on such activities as there won't be a legal way for TikTok to pay him.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Bart S » 01 Jul 2020 04:54

vimal wrote:I think all the remote work culture will actually benefit Indian companies. A lot of old corporations are realizing that work can be done remotely and does not need too much physical contact anyway. Interesting times ahead.


This is true both in terms of India vs onshore, but even large campus in 'IT Hub' cities vis villages/towns in India. A lot of companies, at least in TN are realizing that people are happier and more productive when working from their hometowns (better broadband penetration needs to be incentivized as a high priority by govt) and it can help keep costs down for companies, while improving the local economy in T2/T3 cities and smaller towns. TN has some good SAAS companies like Zoho, Freshdesk and Kissflow who were already pioneering this (esp Zoho) and now they have gone all-in on that strategy.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby John » 02 Jul 2020 06:48

Bart S wrote:
Rishirishi wrote:
Most probably gaming.


Nope. Most games can barely make use of 8 threads let alone 128. Also a complete waste of money, you would get the best bang for your buck by investing in your GPU or GPUs on a gaming system, beyond a basic level of compute power investing in CPU will lead to diminishing returns.

OT but primarily meant for data crunching, AutoCad, Game development and Video editing.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby darshan » 03 Jul 2020 19:33

Is this homegrown by Reliance?

Reliance Jio Launches Free Video Conferencing App ‘JioMeet’ To Take On Zoom; Can Support Up To 100 Participants
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/reliance- ... rticipants


US Tech Giant Intel To Invest Rs 1,894.5 Crore In Reliance's Jio Platforms; Twelfth Investment In Over Two Months
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/us-tech-g ... two-months
Jio Platforms has raised over Rs 170,000 crore from leading global investors including Facebook, Silver Lake, Vista Equity Partners, General Atlantic, KKR, Mubadala, ADIA, TPG, L Catterton, PIF and Intel since 22 April 2020.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby sajo » 03 Jul 2020 19:46

Bart S wrote:won't be a legal way for TikTok to pay him.


OT : But I did not find any mention of monetization of TikTok anywhere. Unlike Youtube and other well entrenched platforms who have a well defined view policy. Also the numbers all seemed to be coming up from Shanghai Institute of Statistics. 20 million likes and 50k comments on #SingleSource "influencers" were common.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby darshan » 04 Jul 2020 18:56

'Let Us Code For an Aatmanirbhar Bharat!': PM Modi Launches Innovation Challenge To Build Tech Apps In 8 Categories
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/let-us-co ... categories
The first track of the challenge is being launched in eight categories, which includes Office Productivity & Work from Home, Social Networking, E-Learning, Entertainment, Health & Wellness, Business including Agritech and Fintech, News and Games.

The first part of the App Innovation Challenge has cash awards and incentives for apps. The government has allocated ₹20 lakh, ₹15 lakh and ₹10 lakh for the first, second and third placed apps in each category. There may also be sub-categories, where winners will get ₹5 lakh, ₹3 lakh and ₹2 lakh for first, second and third position, respectively.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Prithwiraj » 04 Jul 2020 19:02

darshan wrote:Is this homegrown by Reliance?

Reliance Jio Launches Free Video Conferencing App ‘JioMeet’ To Take On Zoom; Can Support Up To 100 Participants
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/reliance- ... rticipants


US Tech Giant Intel To Invest Rs 1,894.5 Crore In Reliance's Jio Platforms; Twelfth Investment In Over Two Months
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/us-tech-g ... two-months
Jio Platforms has raised over Rs 170,000 crore from leading global investors including Facebook, Silver Lake, Vista Equity Partners, General Atlantic, KKR, Mubadala, ADIA, TPG, L Catterton, PIF and Intel since 22 April 2020.



Jiomeet is a ux to ux, icon to icon to icon and user experience to user experience replica of Zoom. They might get sued easily. This is hilarious how they copied zoom. There is an article on it on a popular tech forum.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/07/0 ... -zoom/?amp

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Bart S » 04 Jul 2020 19:14

sajo wrote:
Bart S wrote:won't be a legal way for TikTok to pay him.


OT : But I did not find any mention of monetization of TikTok anywhere. Unlike Youtube and other well entrenched platforms who have a well defined view policy. Also the numbers all seemed to be coming up from Shanghai Institute of Statistics. 20 million likes and 50k comments on #SingleSource "influencers" were common.


Perhaps you missed the leftwing media whining about how the TikTok ban was undermining livelihoods of 'underprivileged' people. There definitely is monetization, and it is significant enough to have people attempt ridiculous stunts like desecrating idols or strangling or beating to death cats or dogs to make their videos go viral. The profile of the typical TikToker is that of small town, esp single-source folks who want money by hook or crook, for them TikTok is just an alternative to some other scam that they would be pulling otherwise. Of course there are some carefully selected and promoted 'celebrity' TikTokers too.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Bart S » 04 Jul 2020 19:38

Prithwiraj wrote:
darshan wrote:Is this homegrown by Reliance?

Reliance Jio Launches Free Video Conferencing App ‘JioMeet’ To Take On Zoom; Can Support Up To 100 Participants
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/reliance- ... rticipants


US Tech Giant Intel To Invest Rs 1,894.5 Crore In Reliance's Jio Platforms; Twelfth Investment In Over Two Months
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/us-tech-g ... two-months
Jio Platforms has raised over Rs 170,000 crore from leading global investors including Facebook, Silver Lake, Vista Equity Partners, General Atlantic, KKR, Mubadala, ADIA, TPG, L Catterton, PIF and Intel since 22 April 2020.



Jiomeet is a ux to ux, icon to icon to icon and user experience to user experience replica of Zoom. They might get sued easily. This is hilarious how they copied zoom. There is an article on it on a popular tech forum.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/07/0 ... -zoom/?amp


OT, I think that anything Chinese should be fair game for copying or stealing, given their blatant disregard for IPR. In fact, they probably even copied whatever they have from someone else anyway. I think that India should devote some attention to the mass of Chinese junk (mostly low tech), Amazon Basics items are a good example, that comes in from China and make good quality, reasonably priced versions of them and take over that market.

Back to the topic, I think that copying the UI has a simple explanation and does not mean that the tech stack is copied. What has happened in the last 3-4 months is that Zoom usage has grown exponentially due to the Chinese engineered virus/lockdown (Zoom BTW is virtually a Chinese company even if it is registered in the US), and all those millions of users are not familiar with Zoom. Whereas Webex or Go To Meeting etc were mostly used by businesses and stayed that way through the lockdown, Zoom is being used by all sorts of common people from students/teachers/schools etc, to families and friends getting together. So the similarity in the UI is an intentional strategy to make it easy and familiar for users to migrate to Jio Meet. The 'copying' basically applies to the UX and not the core tech stack. This is commonly done by all and sundry, for e.g virtually all network equipment copies the CLI experience from either Cisco or Juniper.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby mukkan » 04 Jul 2020 20:34

GOI had competition for videoconferencing products in May and selected 3 startups.

https://meitystartuphub.in/updates/news


Innovation Challenge for Development of Video Conferencing
Solution
Following applicants have been selected for final stage (Product stage) and
will be supported with Rs. 20 Lakhs each:
Sr. No. Name City
1. PeopleLink Unified Communications Pvt Ltd (Insta VC) Hyderabad
2. Sarv Webs Pvt. Ltd. (Sarv Wave) Jaipur
3. Techgentsia Software Technologies Private Limited Alappuzha
https://thecapitalnet.s3.us-east-2.amaz ... -stage.pdf


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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby nandakumar » 04 Jul 2020 20:37

Someone known to me runs a small office. He tried using it (jio meet) for video conference with his staff. He says, "it needs a lit of improvements ". I didn't ask him for the details. But he is not one to exaggerate things.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby sanjayc » 04 Jul 2020 20:47

^^ Indian business barons give zero importance to development of software products -- for them, old-style manufacturing and services is still the way to go. New age software products are still beyond their comprehension or interest even though their valuation can go into billions of dollars. Solutions that connect people with each other (Tik Tok, Zoom, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram) etc. is where the valuations are but Indian businessman would rather open a factory

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby mukkan » 04 Jul 2020 23:40

Developing tech products takes lot of investment. Even in US, maybe only 1 in 1000 are successful. But that one successful will make up for the loss in 999 failed ones. There is only very limited opportunity in India to recoup any investment developing tech products. There is no IPO markets for tech companies. Only option is to sell out like flipkart.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Anujan » 05 Jul 2020 07:07

mukkan wrote:Developing tech products takes lot of investment. Even in US, maybe only 1 in 1000 are successful. But that one successful will make up for the loss in 999 failed ones. There is only very limited opportunity in India to recoup any investment developing tech products. There is no IPO markets for tech companies. Only option is to sell out like flipkart.


Look at the Zoho success story.
https://techseen.com/2017/02/02/global- ... oho-story/

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby mukkan » 05 Jul 2020 20:41

Zoho's story is inspirational for many tech entrepreneurs but not for outside investors. He bootstrapped the company and took 20+ years. It is not a practical path for non tech business barrons to invest.

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mukkan wrote:Developing tech products takes lot of investment. Even in US, maybe only 1 in 1000 are successful. But that one successful will make up for the loss in 999 failed ones. There is only very limited opportunity in India to recoup any investment developing tech products. There is no IPO markets for tech companies. Only option is to sell out like flipkart.


Look at the Zoho success story.
https://techseen.com/2017/02/02/global- ... oho-story/

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 05 Jul 2020 21:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk7w1VNNOjs Social media app with special emphasis on data security. Developed in India evidently.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby darshan » 05 Jul 2020 22:23

Varoon Shekhar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk7w1VNNOjs Social media app with special emphasis on data security. Developed in India evidently.

Keep your data private and secure

Elyments is a well-thought and indigenously designed app to ensure that you make the most of social media while keeping your data safe and secure. With end-to-end encryption, Elyments ensures that your data remains safe from prying eyes. All our servers are hosted in India, thus providing a fast and breezy experience.

Realizing a one-world family

Elyments has been entirely built in India by a young team of passionate people who firmly believe in the ancient Indian concept of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam or a one-world family. Though made in India, Elyments is a global platform for people of all walks of life to come together, converse, learn, and grow together.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby John » 06 Jul 2020 09:28

Have a close friend working for a large silicon valley company(you can guess who). They told me how worried they where china will use india as launching pad to expand into other markets world wide for various apps (it was one of Chinese gov main goal to end SV dominance) in fintech, search, browser, business productivity apps so it not just tiktok. Especially with US reputation being damaged by trump, China could seal off SV from other markets.

However China basically seem to have shot themselves in the foot and apparently there was sigh of relief in their recent company meetings.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby csaurabh » 06 Jul 2020 19:20

mukkan wrote:Developing tech products takes lot of investment. Even in US, maybe only 1 in 1000 are successful. But that one successful will make up for the loss in 999 failed ones. There is only very limited opportunity in India to recoup any investment developing tech products. There is no IPO markets for tech companies. Only option is to sell out like flipkart.


1 in 1000 is greatly exaggerated. But yes Indian businessmen are not really comfortable with tech products, R&D etc. There is a definite preference for service oriented companies, license manufacturing, vendor for a foreign company, etc.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby mukkan » 06 Jul 2020 19:42

I was trying the just launched SM app Elyments, couldn't get pass the OTP. Looks like scalability issue they didn't plan for. Cost for supporting response in milliseconds for millions of active connection goes up exponentially. Hope to see atleast one app developed from India succeed. It will be more of if anyone ready to pump that much money than technical.

We are re-calibrating our systems to adjust to the phenomenal response : 1M+ downloads in 24 hours.

We will notify you as soon as we get our systems back up and running at full steam.

https://twitter.com/ElymentsApp/status/ ... 1349801984

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Postby Mollick.R » 07 Jul 2020 12:37

X-post from Economic thread...........

In the social media (Short Video Format) app space, I can see a new Josh & spark lit up within 10 days. Previously this space was filled up only with pessimism & "Hum/Tum se naa ho payega" syndrome. Ban of 59 Chinese apps by GOI has charged up the moral (& business case) of the desi developers. Hope some at least moderately successful products comes out & sustains in market for long run.

China banned Goggle, Facebook , Twitter to its 140 cr population market & built domestic giants like BAT (Baidu, Alibaba, Tencent), which has now respectable size, tech manpower base & product rolled on as well as on pipeline.
Hope this ban of Chinese app stays at least for 5 year (If not for perpetual)

The race to build an Indian social network

10 min read . Updated: 07 Jul 2020, 08:15 AM IST // Prasid Banerjee
NEW DELHI : Over the past three months, home-grown variants of short-video social networking apps have cruised through some unusual times. Border tensions and #BoycottChina campaigns had already resulted in a steady uptick in their user base. And then came the ban on 59 Chinese apps on the evening of 29 June, which targeted TikTok, Helo, Vigo Video and Bigo Live, among others.

By 9pm that evening, merely an hour after the announcement which hadn’t even come into effect yet, hourly installations spiked, with 300,000 to 400,000 people downloading the app every hour, according to Sumit Ghosh of Chingari, one of the several India-made apps vying to be a TikTok alternative. Within days, daily active users tripled on Roposo, another Indian short-video app.

With roughly 200 million Indians waiting to be snapped up, a mad dash has ensued to build a viable Indian social network from the ground up. While the Indian government’s ban targets a slew of apps—from browsers to file-sharing platforms—only a few segments have any real “Indian" alternatives. E-commerce platforms like Shein and Club Factory were also banned, but Flipkart and Myntra, which are the supposed Indian options, already have mature user bases.

The race for “indigenization" has thus essentially fallen on the shoulders of social media firms, particularly short-video apps. The prize: the eyeballs of erstwhile users from “Bharat" who were on the banned Chinese apps, which together had nearly one-fourth the total number of users currently on Facebook, the world’s largest social platform.

Chingari’s Ghosh said he wants to reach 100 million users in three months, which is the same target that Shivank Agarwal, founder of Mitron, another short-video app, has set for himself. For comparison, it took ByteDance 200 days to develop Duyin (TikTok’s Chinese variant) and about a year to reach 100 million users.

The tearing hurry within the Indian app ecosystem is fuelled by uncertainty over how long the ban on TikTok may last. Business plans are being crafted with the assumption that it will last at least 90 days.And this brief period may be the only window of opportunity. In the social media space, it’s nearly impossible to topple a platform that has made it big. TikTok didn’t topple either Facebook or Instagram. It merely created a new niche for itself by introducing short-videos.

“It’s a phenomenal and unprecedented opportunity for startups to build something that is world-class, with content and experiences designed keeping Indian users in mind," said Arun Tadanki, lead of LetsVenture, a Bengaluru-based technology platform that connects angel investors with startups.

“The pace at which an app like Mitron is progressing right now, at the end of three or six months, they’ll probably have 100-200 million users. And then, it’s a completely different game even if those (banned) apps are allowed to come back," he added.

For now, even investors want to get a piece of the action. Mitron raised ₹2 crore in a seed round from Tadanki and 3One4 Capital. Tadanki said the deal was one of the fastest in his career. Chingari, on the other hand, is raising funds too and plans to go for a Series A round of investment, skipping the seed round altogether.

The Indian government waded in late last week with its own app innovation challenge, which seeks to incubate home-grown apps in key sectors. But this short burst of excitement will soon have to grapple with some real challenges. Building a social network requires deep pockets, a large innovative workforce, and a market where digital advertising revenue is substantial, among other factors. Even tech giants like Google have tried and failed many times.

Merely cloning the TikTok experience will not work, says technology and policy consultant Prasanto K. Roy. “Source code for lookalikes of popular apps like Zoom are available on various websites and can be bought for as little as $25. But that isn’t enough," he said. “Essentially, this vacuum in the market is an opportunity, but it’s an opportunity for very few players," he added.



Read full article here at Livemint............(A long article, but worth of your time.)

https://www.livemint.com/technology/apps/the-race-to-build-an-indian-social-network-11594043077273.html

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby darshan » 09 Jul 2020 17:20

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Yotta NM1 is first of the five data centre buildings coming up at this Integrated Yotta Data Centre Park, which, once fully built, will have an overall capacity of 30,000 racks and 250 MW power, Yotta Infrastructure said.

At 820,000 sq. ft, 7,200 racks, 50 MW of power and 4 redundant self-owned fiber paths connecting the data centre to national highways, the Yotta NM1 data centre is capable of hosting global Cloud, content and OTT operators besides the mission-critical applications of enterprises and governments, the company said.


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