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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby a_bharat » 24 Mar 2021 08:26

Folks, I am curious to know how the GPS based toll collection that Gadkari was talking about would work in India. Would this require all the vehicles to carry some kind of tracking device? How practical is it in Indian conditions? How do they verify that all vehicles using the highways have the tracking systems installed and not tampered?

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Postby Sachin » 25 Mar 2021 17:21

a_bharat wrote:Folks, I am curious to know how the GPS based toll collection that Gadkari was talking about would work in India.

I think the plan is to use GPS data along with FasTag. In that case manned toll booths can be avoided. FasTag sensors can be placed at the appropriate location, and the sensor is tagged using GPS. So the sensor detects a FasTag; identity of the vehicle is confirmed. The sensors are GPS tracked; which means the position is also identified. Combine these two, we will get accurate information of the vehicle & its position. This would perhaps reduce the time spent queued up in toll booths.

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Postby a_bharat » 25 Mar 2021 21:09

This means toll booths would still be required and manned to make sure that vehicles do have fastags. The vehicles may not be having the fastags, or they can easily be made unreadable by sensors.

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Postby CalvinH » 25 Mar 2021 23:09

a_bharat wrote:This means toll booths would still be required and manned to make sure that vehicles do have fastags. The vehicles may not be having the fastags, or they can easily be made unreadable by sensors.


In such cases cameras can take a picture of the number plate and send for the toll collection over mail. Its a standard practice in west.

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Postby a_bharat » 26 Mar 2021 08:18

CalvinH ji, I think you are right. Gadkari used the phrase "GPS imaging". I guess this is what he meant. Some states are already using similar tech for issuing speeding tickets via SMS. I got one 3 years back on Hyd ORR.

As part of Fastag implementation, they linked registration numbers to bank accounts. This info will probably be used for toll collection when they replace toll booths with the geo-tagged image based toll collection. There will still be problems with some people not keeping sufficient funds or closing the accounts. 80% of effort will be required for collecting 20% of tolls from such people.

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Postby Sachin » 26 Mar 2021 20:44

CalvinH wrote:In such cases cameras can take a picture of the number plate and send for the toll collection over mail. Its a standard practice in west.

To add on to this, number plates are also getting standardized in India. High Security Number Plates are now mandatory in UP, DL area. Other states are also been given a dead line to roll out tenders for HSNP implementation. Once this is done ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) will become more easier. The old tradition of road side painters painting the letters in fanciful style would soon be history.

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Postby Vips » 26 Mar 2021 20:49

5-year plan: To raise Rs 1 lakh crore via TOT, says Gadkari.

The government was planning to raise Rs 1 lakh crore in the next five years through monetisation of state-funded highway stretches through the toll-operate-transfer (TOT) route, minister of road transport and highways Nitin Gadkari said on Thursday.

Under the TOT model, the NHAI transfers operational highway projects to private entities under long-term lease (15-30 years) against upfront payments. During the concession period, the TOT operator collects user fee on the stretches in line with the rates set by the NHAI to recoup investments. The entity, of course, is required to operate and maintain the stretches.

Addressing a CII event, the minister said the monetisation programme is a win-win situation for both the private sector and the government. While it offers very exciting business and investment opportunities for the private sectors to invest in operating infrastructure that yield returns right from the very start, it also helps the government to unlock the value of investment made, repay debt and re-invest.

Through the TOT route, NHAI has already monetised two highway bundles totaling 1,247 km that fetched the authority Rs 14,692 crore. It, however, had to annul two other monetisation attempts (the second and the fourth rounds) as investors failed to match the floor prices set.

NHAI had invited bids for the two bundles under the fifth round of TOT last September. Adani Group has quoted the highest Rs 1,011-crore bid for the first bundle of 53.6 km national highway stretch under the fifth TOT round, while Nagpur-based DP Jain has offered to pay the highest Rs 1,251 crore to take on a long-term lease for the second bundle of 106 km.

The proceeds from the asset monetisation programme are also used to repay NHAI’s debt, which mounted to Rs 2.72 lakh crore, as on November 2020, and to develop highways.

Talking about the National Infrastructure Pipeline, Gadkari said that it has been expanded to cover more than 7,300 projects with a revised investment of Rs 111 lakh crore by 2025. Out of this, projects worth Rs 44 lakh crore are under implementation and projects worth Rs 34 lakh crore are at conceptualisation stage and projects worth Rs 22 lakh crore are under development.

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Postby Ambar » 27 Mar 2021 01:01

Sachin wrote:
CalvinH wrote:In such cases cameras can take a picture of the number plate and send for the toll collection over mail. Its a standard practice in west.

To add on to this, number plates are also getting standardized in India. High Security Number Plates are now mandatory in UP, DL area. Other states are also been given a dead line to roll out tenders for HSNP implementation. Once this is done ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) will become more easier. The old tradition of road side painters painting the letters in fanciful style would soon be history.


This can go 2 ways - (1) there will be a significant increase in the number of toll violators . Collecting fines from our citizens through tickets mailed to registered owners will be a challenge (Rs 360 crores of traffic violation fines are pending in Bangalore metro alone) and (2) The high security number plates/GPS tracking will be used for ticketing. Our government has finally stumbled on this "new age" technology called speed cameras, and the wretched things are showing up everywhere even on national highways ! Unlike the 10% to 15% tolerance that many countries have over speed limits before the camera gets you, the tickets i have seen from DL and Mumbai are for 1 kmph above the speed limit ! Yes, 1 kmph above the limit !

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby vijayk » 27 Mar 2021 02:56

Rishi Bagree Flag of India @rishibagree
Highway constructed by NHAI per day

Year Km/per day

2014-15 12.1
2015-16 16.6
2016-17 22.5
2017-18 26.9
2018-19 29.7
2019-20 28.1
2020-21 33.4
2021-22 40.0 Projected


Rishi Bagree Flag of India @rishibagree

National Highways by the Modi Govt (In Kms):

FY 2014 4,260 (UPA)
FY 2015 4,410
FY 2016 6,061
FY 2017 8,231
FY 2018 9,829
FY 2019 10,855
FY 2020 10,237
FY 2021 12,205


Rishi Bagree Flag of India @rishibagree
Total Length of National Highways in India

2013-14 91,287 KMs
2020-21 162,000 KMs


More Highways has been constructed in last 7 year than in 60 years of Congress Rule

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Postby AkshaySG » 28 Mar 2021 07:44

https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/himacha ... ect-230915


.The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) has approved the construction of the first phase of the Pathankot- Mandi four-lane project between Pathankot (Kandwal) and 32 miles in Kangra district.

Global bids for the first phase of the project were opened at the NHAI headquarters in New Delhi yesterday and the construction work of highway valuing Rs 1,002.11 crore were awarded to a Gurgaon-based construction company.



The 219-km Pathankot- Mandi four-lane road is one of strategic road projects of the Government of India which links Pathankot with Leh, Ladakh and other forward areas. Considering the defence requirements, the Centre wants to complete it early.

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Postby manjgu » 28 Mar 2021 09:35

while i know lot of highways are being constructed, i will give example of Amritsar>chandigarh... there is a good toll highway till about 50 km short of chandigarh !!! the last 40-50 km is not very nice which is a pity. dont understand why such a thing has to happen?

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Postby Kakkaji » 02 Apr 2021 08:43

Finally! This will open up a lot of residential property and industrial development along this expressway from Delhi to Meerut in Western U.P.

Delhi-Meerut Expressway open for public, cuts travel time to 45 minutes

The much-awaited Delhi-Meerut Expressway (DME), pegged as a smart highway, was opened for public on Thursday after the completion of its remaining stretches. Prime Minister Narendra Modi in May 2018 had inaugurated the first phase of the Rs 8,346-crore 9-km stretch of 14-lane highway.

"Delhi Meerut Expressway has now been completed and opened to traffic. We have fulfilled our promise of reducing travel time between Delhi - Meerut from 2.5 hours to 45 minutes," Road Transport, Highways Minister Nitin Gadkari said after the smart highway was opened for people.

Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cum FASTag based Multi Lane Free Flow Tolling System has been introduced for the first time in this project for collection of user fees which will be deducted without any stoppage of traffic and ensure for the free flow of high speed traffic, it added.

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Postby arshyam » 02 Apr 2021 10:51

Arunachal's Highly-Remote Vijaynagar Region To Get Fully Motorable Road Connectivity By 2022 - Swarajya

Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister (CM) Pema Khandu became the first CM to reach Vijaynagar in Changlang district by road. Vijaynagar is the last administrative headquarters close to the Myanmar border and CM Khandu travelled 157 km from Miao via road to reach the destination.

Cabinet ministers Kamlung Mossang, Honchun Ngandam and other notable individuals accompanied the leader in this journey. The entire entourage started off from 25 March and spent that night at Gandhinagram, which is 137 km away from Miao. Then, they resumed the trip the next day to finally reach Vijaynagar.

The CM revealed in a public meeting that he personally undertook the travel to assess the road quality and ensure that the construction work to make the entire route motorable by March 2022 is completed on time.

He assured that the officials from the rural works department (RWD) who accompanied him in this journey will submit a report on the status of the road upon the completion of the inspection process.

According to the CM, the complete stretch of the road would not be blacktopped as it falls in the area of the Namdapha national park.

However, he expressed that a slew of developmental activities will follow once the road reaches Vijaynagar. The Border Roads Organization (BRO) will be tasked to look after the maintenance of the roads once it is completed.

CM Khandu said that the Namdapha region, which is a biodiversity hotspots area, will receive a tourism boost once the road conditions over there are further enhanced, Arunchal24.in reports.

The local population was assured of proper funding for manpower, infrastructure, health and education by the 41-year-old. Moreover, the CM also inaugurated a helipad in addition to providing three Mahindra Thar jeeps to the Vijaynagar administration, police and the Assam Rifles posted in the region.


Some pics tweeted by the CM: https://twitter.com/PemaKhanduBJP/statu ... 0188077056

Here's a video from the trip - really inspiring to see such a down-to-earth CM getting his hands, err feet dirty, and the extent of the challenge in this area:



I saw the video originally from a tweet by Anand Mahindra:

https://twitter.com/anandmahindra/statu ... 8461983748
anand mahindra @anandmahindra
I think we need to create a Hall of Fame of those owners who know how to ‘Explore the Impossible’ with their Thars. Thar Pehelwans. Tharwans? Give me a better name. And I nominate Mr. Khandu straightaway for inclusion in the Hall of Fame!

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby vijayk » 14 Apr 2021 08:00

As of March 2021 National Highway Construction !
29,023 Km : In 33 Years Before 1980
10,279 Km : Between 1980 - 1998
23,814 Km : 'ABV' Tenure
29,735 Km : 10 Years of UPA
44,774 Km : During Modi Govt.
54,864 Km : On-going Construction
53,031 Km : New NH Projects Declared.

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Postby M_Joshi » 18 Apr 2021 12:39

manjgu wrote:while i know lot of highways are being constructed, i will give example of Amritsar>chandigarh... there is a good toll highway till about 50 km short of chandigarh !!! the last 40-50 km is not very nice which is a pity. dont understand why such a thing has to happen?


That 6 Lane highway from Amritsar is NH1 Grand Trunk Road that goes from Delhi to Amritsar. Chandigarh is not on that path. There are 4-5 different routes you can take from that highway coming from Amritsar to come to Chandigarh. One from Jalandhar is in good shape & just recently 4 laned. One from Ludhiana which you most likely took is being 4 laned right now. Other smaller 2 lane roads from Mandi Gobindgarh & Khanna are not that good in shape as they are State Highways. One from Rajpura is newly 4 laned & is good shape. There is no single super highway direct from Chandigarh to Amritsar.

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Postby VinodTK » 22 Apr 2021 14:26

ZojlLa Pass reopens: Big relief for Ladakh, Army

From deccanchronicle.com: Opening of Srinagar-Leh and Manali-Leh highways is crucial for the supply of ammunition, food, fuel, essentials for Indian troops in Ladakh

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This year the ZojiLa Pass opened after a closure of 110 days, compared to an average of 150 days in previous years. — (Photo:PTI)

New Delhi: The roads to Ladakh have opened after winter amidst the continued standoff with China. The ZojiLa Pass, which connects Kashmir to Ladakh, was opened on Wednesday and the Manali-Leh highway was opened some three weeks ago.

The opening of the Srinagar-Leh and Manali-Leh highways is crucial for the supply of ammunition, food, fuel and other essentials for the Indian troops who are deployed in Ladakh. The opening of these roads indicates that the Army has successfully managed the winter deployment of the additional troops who were rushed into Ladakh after the tensions soared with China. Last year the Indian Army had rushed supplies to Ladakh for some 50,000 troops which were to be stationed in the area during winter at sub-zero temperatures due to the tensions with China.

The strategic 428 km Manali-Leh highway was opened by the Border Roads Organisation more than one-and-a-half months ahead of schedule. However, due to the snowfall, movement on it has been getting affected. The strategically crucial mighty ZojiLa Pass on the Srinagar-Kargil-Leh road was opened Wednesday by the BRO, establishing road connectivity to Ladakh after four months. The pass closes every year in winter due to the heavy snowfall and opens only by the end of April the next year.

This year the ZojiLa Pass opened after a closure of 110 days, compared to an average of 150 days in previous years. Located at a height of 11,650 feet, ZojiLa is a strategic pass that provides a vital link between Kashmir Valley and Ladakh and is the key to the operational preparedness of the armed forces in the sector.

Due to the tensions with China and focus on infrastructure development, there was focus this time to keep ZojiLa Pass’ closure to the minimum.

This time the ZojiLa Pass was kept open till December 31, 2020. Also, the snow clearance operations to open the road began on February 7 by Projects Beacon and Vijayak of the BRO. The connectivity across ZojiLa was initially established on February 15 and it was planned to open the pass for the Army and civil traffic by the end of February or early March. However, continuous bad weather conditions, poor visibility and heavy snowfall, that triggered avalanches, had delayed the opening.

Finally, after efforts by Projects Beacon and Vijayak of BRO, connectivity was re-established on April 21 and 10 civil trucks, carrying essential fresh supplies, moved across the ZojiLa Pass towards Kargil, bringing much needed relief to the people of Ladakh. Lt. Gen. Rajeev Chaudhary, the BRO director-general, said the ZojiLa Pass’ reopening will facilitate the availability of essential goods and supplies for the people of Ladakh and also enable the easier movement of Army convoys

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Postby jamwal » 24 Apr 2021 13:46

I traveled by bus from Shimla to Delhi (~400 km) in just ~8 hours. Used to take 11 hours before upgradation of the highway. Could have been shorter if not for idiot punjabi "farmers" blocking highways.
Lots of improvements, new high capacity bridges and more coming up for border areas near Indo-Tibet border too.

I had written a tweet thread about remarkable improvement in road infrastructure all over India, most of it are videos. So you'll have to click the link to see some posts.

Roads in most parts of India have improved immensely in last 3-4 years. Even rural 'backward' places like UP now enjoy much better infrastructure. This is Rapri-Bateshwar area in UP. Off the map for most, yet good roads.
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Road from the preceding This is how the roads in most of rural #UttarPradesh look like now. Once you go inside the villages where houses are, you will see some bad stuff occasionally, but huge improvements everywhere,
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This is Chichong, a small remote village in Spiti. This road goes on for 14-16 km to the last inhabited village in this area.
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A small village in #Meghalya.
A road 2-3 hours drive from Shillong. Also the cleanest and people there have better traffic sense than rest of India.

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Surprisingly #Maharashtra seems to have some of the worst road infrastructure in all places I've visited in last 5-7 years. Even the roads leading up to #Mumbai and other major cities were unexpectedly bad.
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Quite a few villages have concrete roads like this. Village road in Bateshwar, UP.
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This is the village street in a small hilly village of 10-12 houses, few km from #Katra, starting point for Vaishno Devi temple hike. It used to be just a stony trail till 2016.
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Small village roads near Mukteshwar, #Uttarakhand.
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Postby sankum » 24 Apr 2021 15:05

^^^°°
Idiot arthiyas not farmers.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 25 Apr 2021 22:30

Panjabi farmers. Okee dokee.

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Postby nachiket » 26 Apr 2021 23:21

jamwal wrote:Surprisingly #Maharashtra seems to have some of the worst road infrastructure in all places I've visited in last 5-7 years. Even the roads leading up to #Mumbai and other major cities were unexpectedly bad.

Not surprising to anyone who grew up in MH. The roads there have always been bad. Especially the ones around Mumbai. Even Gadkari ji seems to have given up on his home state as being utterly hopeless. One look at the state of the Mumbai-Goa highway (MH stretch of NH66) will tell you the story. Even NHAI can't seem to fix that disaster. They have been upgrading that highway from 2 lanes to 4 for donkey years now with no end in sight. Even the stretches which have been completed have bad surface quality in many places despite being concrete (which Gadkari ji insisted upon because our Asphalt roads do not last beyond the first monsoons).

Mumbai city itself has some of the worst roads in the country. I remember my first and only visit to Bangalore, whose road infra is much reviled by its residents. I remember thinking that at least it wasn't as bad as Mumbai. I mean the road surfaces seemed fairly well made and had lane markings. The BMC in Mumbai does not know what lane markings or road signs are nor does it seem to have any idea of how to design even a basic city road. I was also surprised by the quality of the highways leading out of BLR to Hassan etc.

However I have heard that the new roads being built/improved in the eastern part of the state are better and it is just Mumbai and Konkan getting the short shrift as per usual.

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Postby jamwal » 27 Apr 2021 00:58

Are you sure about Konkan? The roads near beaches with major tourist attractions were not that bad during my visit in monsoons of 2018. Don't remember names of all the places except Ganpatipule, Alibaug and a few beaches nearby. Inland areas and places near Mumbai had much worse roads. Mumbai ofcourse is one of most overhyped cities with very bad roads, traffic and ramshackle public transport.

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Postby SBajwa » 27 Apr 2021 02:07

I think the issue with roads in India is regular maintenance as well as maintenance around roads to stop damage., i.e. water collection, accidents damage, etc.

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Postby Vivek K » 27 Apr 2021 03:59

Bajwa sahab, Indian roads do not face the biggest pavement killer - freeze thaw. What kills pavements in India is a) poor quality of construction and b) the overloading by trucks. Recent attention to infrastructure has brought in better construction techniques and equipment so that may slowly fade into the past. However, Indian trucks used to be single cab design with 2 axles. Typical trucks elsewhere are bigger with 3+ axles that helps to contain the ground pressure in acceptable limits (the same argument that makes a 70 Ton Arjun have a smaller footprint than a tin can).

So Indian truck mfg and construction practice is to blame. In a lot of cases, engineers do not follow the basics of placing the roadway above flood levels but that may also be due to lack of data.

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Postby SBajwa » 28 Apr 2021 02:36

Vivek K wrote:Bajwa sahab, Indian roads do not face the biggest pavement killer - freeze thaw. What kills pavements in India is a) poor quality of construction and b) the overloading by trucks. Recent attention to infrastructure has brought in better construction techniques and equipment so that may slowly fade into the past. However, Indian trucks used to be single cab design with 2 axles. Typical trucks elsewhere are bigger with 3+ axles that helps to contain the ground pressure in acceptable limits (the same argument that makes a 70 Ton Arjun have a smaller footprint than a tin can).

So Indian truck mfg and construction practice is to blame. In a lot of cases, engineers do not follow the basics of placing the roadway above flood levels but that may also be due to lack of data.



Right. I think that roads in India are certified for the allowed weight but most truck drivers overload and bribe police. I regularly see tractor/trolleys with stuff spilling out on each sides due to overloading. Sugarcane, etc.

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Postby arshyam » 28 Apr 2021 07:58

This is shaping up well to become an iconic part of Goa's coastline.



Nitin Gadkari clearly seems to be a man of passion and on a mission. Apart from steadily focusing on getting the logistics costs from 16% to 12%, which would be inline with EU/US costs, he is also passionate about building iconic structures that are appreciated by the janata - the suggestion to have a viewing gallery in the Zuari bridge falls into this category. I was pleasantly surprised to hear about it and now looking forward to the completion of this bridge.

This video is part of a longer episode where they cover a few other projects like the Maitri bridge in Tripura and the Delhi-Meerut expressway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjYq9tuHds

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Postby arshyam » 28 Apr 2021 08:07

Apart from the 24-hour challenge to lay 2+ km of concrete road on the Delhi-Mumbai e-way, this covers the strategically important Godavari bridge on the Hyderabad-Bhopalapatnam NH. Location here: https://goo.gl/maps/bP3GSRZMcbYBb9ww5. As you can see, this opens up better connectivity between Warangal and Jagdalpur in southern Chattisgarh, specifically via places like Bijapur and Dantewada. Every little bit helps.



Another similar episode that covers a project in the Aravallis among others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9R9CVIHYeU

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Postby VinodTK » 29 Apr 2021 02:43

BRO’s first woman commanding officer to handle road project near China border

Last year, the BRO constructed key roads and tunnels in forward areas along the China border amidst the Covid-19 pandemic and the border standoff between India and China in the Ladakh sector.

The Border Road Organisation’s (BRO) Vaishali S Hiwase has taken over as the first woman commanding officer (CO) of a Road Construction Company (RCC) responsible for providing forward connectivity along the India-China border, officials familiar with the development said on Wednesday.

The Border Road Organisation’s (BRO) Vaishali S Hiwase has taken over as the first woman commanding officer (CO) of a Road Construction Company (RCC) responsible for providing forward connectivity along the India-China border, officials familiar with the development said on Wednesday.

She holds the rank of an executive engineer.

Vaishali will be discharging her duties in a challenging environment. “With two air- maintained detachments located at #10000ft and above, the alignment of road is going through some formidable passes and treacherous terrain of hard rock with vertical cliffs,” the BRO said on Twitter, giving the description of the work lying ahead for the woman officer.

Vaishali, who has an M Tech degree, is from Wardha in Maharashtra. She is taking over the new assignment as CO after a successful stint in the Kargil sector, the officials said.
“This is a humble beginning by @BROindia that will usher a new era of #Women Empowerment that will see women officers taking over most arduous tasks. #History in making,” the BRO said in another tweet.
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