Indian Police Reform

The Technology & Economic Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to Technological and Economic developments in India. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Sanjay
BRFite
Posts: 1224
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Chaguanas, Trinidad

Postby Sanjay » 29 May 2006 03:21

Good points - all of them and you will find no disagreement from me.

The Bihar story says everything. But also the fact that these chaps have not yet run away says something too !

How many of us mugs would stay there ?

Every so often I would post query in the small arms thread for any sightings of strange police weapons (if anyone has any anecdotes or pics I am interested), but the stray dogs seem to be the most cost effective.

tatya

Postby tatya » 29 May 2006 03:46

Rahul Mehta wrote: Most work for 14 hrs a day, 6 to 6.5 days a week. And many are asked to clean floor of IPS-pandus's homes (orderly?) and cut vegetables for their familiy's dinner.


fu rm, 14 hrs a day and 6 days a week should be the time you should be @#$#$$%#@! for saying that.

brfites, are we all so elite that no one knows a single constable or even peon level people to refudiate this? constables are assigned duty and hours every month (just like their superiors). only those constables who have been deputed to civil servants, etc would be doing errands on odd hours on regular basis. that is built into their hours, extra pay and leave consideration.

JCage
BRFite
Posts: 1562
Joined: 09 Oct 2000 11:31

Postby JCage » 29 May 2006 07:54

fu rm, 14 hrs a day and 6 days a week should be the time you should be @#$#$$%#@! for saying that.


What kind of talk is this? You could have just stated the facts and left it at that.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 17 Jun 2006 09:17

[To save this thread from getting dumped into trashcan]

-Rahul Mehta

Vivek K
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2309
Joined: 15 Mar 2002 12:31

Postby Vivek K » 17 Jun 2006 10:07

tatya wrote:fu rm, 14 hrs a day and 6 days a week should be the time you should be @#$#$$%#@! for saying that.

ADMINS- Pls caution Tatya for his bad choice of words and personal attacks!!
brfites, are we all so elite that no one knows a single constable or even peon level people to refudiate this? constables are assigned duty and hours every month (just like their superiors). only those constables who have been deputed to civil servants, etc would be doing errands on odd hours on regular basis. that is built into their hours, extra pay and leave consideration.

Tatya, stating the facts is not being elite. Grow up!! A lot goes on that you do not know about. And please do not make us start on our personal experiences with the Police. The Police in India behave like "licensed gangsters". If you need examples of this behavior, please make my day!!

Vasu
BRFite
Posts: 868
Joined: 16 Dec 2002 12:31

Postby Vasu » 19 Jul 2006 21:23

Uttar Pradesh fast turning into the second Bihar, if not there already. There is no law, there is no fear of the law, there is no respect for the law.

From ePaper of ToI. No link.

Goons run amuck, cops run for cover

COP GIVEN A LIFE-THREATENING RIDE. IS ANYBODY SAFE?

The fear of khakhi is disappearing fast. So much so that one does not need to be a history-sheeter to throw one’s weight around, or create a ruckus on the city roads. In fact, it seems that anybody can now play with the law, with, or even without, the help of as innocuous a prop as a flag of the ruling party.

Just two incidents which took place in the last 24 hours reflect the sorry state of law and order in the city and makes one ponder: Is anybody safe?

In the first incident on Tuesday morning, a police constable was given a life-threatening ride by a car owner in a virtual repeat of DSP Rajesh Sahani case.

In the second incident which took place a day before, the vehicle of a lady staffer of this newspaper was first hit by another vehicle, adorning a Samajwadi Party flag, of khadi-clad men. And that was not all. When she got down and lodged a polite protest, they not only misbehaved with her but one of them even fired a shot. Needless to say, they all walked away from the scene, unresisted.

The city police, after much dilly-dallying, arrested the driver of the vehilce but so far have not mustered courage to even trace his khadi-clad masters, who are enjoying a free run.

Earlier on Monday, Vidushi Dubey, a young reporter with The Times of India, was going in her Qualis (UP70 6606) around 10 am when a Bolero (UP61 D 8800) hit her vehicle near Royal Hotel crossing. Thereafter, the occupant of this vehicle - a khadiclad middle-aged man accompanied by two aides - not only shouted at her, using filthy language, but even threatened to get her kidnapped and her entire family wiped out. All this happened in the presence of a police officer, who reached the site after being asked by some senior officials.

Putting up a brave front, Vidushi, however, refused to relent and asked the police officer to take everyone to the police station. The accused, dropping names of a cabinet minister and an MP from Ghazipur, took away the keys of her car and handed them over to the policemen who remained mute spectators throughout. Now, should one ask why the fear of police is on wane?


Nice little dark world Mulayam has created for himself in UP, no? :x

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 19 Jul 2006 22:07

Vasu wrote:Uttar Pradesh fast turning into the second Bihar, if not there already. There is no law, there is no fear of the law, there is no respect for the law.

From ePaper of ToI. No link.

Goons run amuck, cops run for cover

COP GIVEN A LIFE-THREATENING RIDE. IS ANYBODY SAFE?

....


Nice little dark world Mulayam has created for himself in UP, no? :x[/quote]

The world is created not by just Mulayam (aka netalog) but judges as well. The judges do NOT punish corrupt policemen due to corruption in judges and also nepotism (many policemen are relatives of judges). As long as courts do not throw corrupt policemen in prison, corruption in police will increase and so will strength of the criminals.

Given defunct judges we have in SC/HC and perticularly UP-HC, there is NOT much a good CM can do unless he first expels these defunct SCjs/HCjs and gets Jurors in place.

The judge worshipers should note what a mess judges has created everywhere incl police dept.

-Rahul Mehta

uddu
BRFite
Posts: 1862
Joined: 15 Aug 2004 17:09

Postby uddu » 22 Jul 2006 09:31

There must be an independent Police Force Similar to the Indian Army in terms of efficiency and operations. It must be an all India Police Force that will have police stations all across India. People must be free to file complaints with the state police or the central police force and it is must also be the responsiblity of the force to maintain law and order all over India. This force must be a modern force equipped to handle any situation.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 22 Jul 2006 20:01

uddu wrote:There must be an independent Police Force


Independent from whom?

Should they be independent (read autocratic) from citizensry as well?

Who, IYO, should have power to expel policemen such as say an inspector or a police chief?

People must be free to file complaints with the state police ...


People are free to complain against pandus before Ministers and judges. But Ministers get bribes from pandus and so dont care. The judges have passive nexuses with policemen --- you dont interfere in our bribery and we wont interfere in yr bribery. And so judges too dont take any action. In addition, many senior policemen have relatives who are top judges and top vakils who have nexuses with judges.

What solution do you propose to this problem?

-Rahul Mehta

Saurabh
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 32
Joined: 10 Dec 2002 12:31
Contact:

Postby Saurabh » 26 Jul 2006 13:05

Rahul Mehta wrote:
uddu wrote:What solution do you propose to this problem?

-Rahul Mehta


err - Shoot them all ? Don't think we'll be much worse off ?

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 28 Jul 2006 10:53

Saurabh wrote:
Rahul Mehta wrote:
uddu wrote:What solution do you propose to this problem?

-Rahul Mehta


err - Shoot them all ? Don't think we'll be much worse off ?


Mass scale RDB will definitely be needed.

But then question is then : what procedure we adopt the re-fill the vacant posts? And what procedures we employe to expel if/when a new guy also becomes defunct.

RDB once in a while is cool, but we repeatedly employe RDB, the nation will become so weak that foreigners like US/UK will then take over. Hence we need some other procedures over and above RDB so that RDB is used as least as possible.

What procedures shall we employ as compliment as well as suppliemnt to RDB?

-Rahul Mehta

Harshad
BRFite
Posts: 113
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 01:05

Postby Harshad » 02 Aug 2006 01:00

Bihar Police Go for Army-Style Training

Patna: July 31 2006

To combat crime more effectively in Bihar, the state police will send its first batch of cops under the age of 40 to Danapur Cantonment for military-style training. The group consisting of 100 jawans and 20 officers will begin the training from Monday, IG (Administration) Anil Sinha said on Sunday.

This is the first time in the history of Bihar that the state police will be trained like army soldiers the decision of which was taken by the Nitish government in the month of June.

This is just one of the few innovative steps the state police is taking to equip its police force to tackle criminals more effectively, Additional Director General of Police (ADG) Abhayanand said.

State cops will also be sent to police training centers in Manipur and Madhya Pradesh where they will be made acquainted with modern, state-of-the-art techniques in guerilla warfare, quick response actions, bomb diffusion, and other necessary police actions, Sinha said.

The training in Warrengate in Manipur and Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh would begin in September, the police said.

ASPuar
BRFite
Posts: 1538
Joined: 07 Feb 2001 12:31
Location: Republic of India

Postby ASPuar » 02 Aug 2006 01:02

tatya wrote:
Rahul Mehta wrote: Most work for 14 hrs a day, 6 to 6.5 days a week. And many are asked to clean floor of IPS-pandus's homes (orderly?) and cut vegetables for their familiy's dinner.


fu rm, 14 hrs a day and 6 days a week should be the time you should be @#$#$$%#@! for saying that.

brfites, are we all so elite that no one knows a single constable or even peon level people to refudiate this? constables are assigned duty and hours every month (just like their superiors). only those constables who have been deputed to civil servants, etc would be doing errands on odd hours on regular basis. that is built into their hours, extra pay and leave consideration.


Whats to refute? Its true.

I have personally seen NSG operatives being used as Jharoo-poccha, and kitchen help, by, as what RM calls it, IPS-pandus.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54392
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Postby ramana » 02 Aug 2006 19:14

Last week while in Hyderabad, there was a news report of a training schedule for the railway porters in the rail stations(Secbad, Nampally and Kacheguda) to recognize explosive packages as part of effort to combat terrorism.

here is more from the Telegraph: Andhra porter to turn watchdog

George J

Postby George J » 02 Aug 2006 21:22

Whoa there, the IPS cadre are ENTITLED to having one orderly at home. Just like the senior ranks of the services too. So lets not kid ourselves into thinking that this ia a babu phenom (its not since IAS/IFS are NOT given the same perk, no peons for them).

These orderlies do everything from shine sahabs shoes to cook. And something which is typical of armed forces orderlies....bring you cold water everytime you step into the house.

Dont fret about NSG...even SPG orderlies do work at home...so do the IA SF orderlies. This is just the way its done, deal with it.

Oh I know this will get your jingo goat: they even field when baba and friends play cricket and then run in to get water when baba requests. :twisted:

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54392
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Postby ramana » 02 Aug 2006 21:30

Op-ed in Telegraph
[quote]
VIEW FROM THE UNDERGROUND
For intelligence to be tightened at the lowest level, the police have to rebuild its network of informants, writes Sumanta Sen


Preventive action
In the midst of all the groping around about who could have masterminded the July 11 blasts in Mumbai, came the written observation of the city’s police chief that the explosions were the handiwork of terrorists who were no ordinary thugs but highly trained experts. It did not require the experience of such a highly placed policeman to come to this conclusion. Indeed, behind the observation lay an admission of helplessness. The police today are clearly up against opponents whom they cannot match, not just in the nation’s business capital but in other cities also.

The same feeling of helplessness could be discerned in the words of the former army chief, General Shankar Roy Chowdhury. In an interview to a private television channel recently, the veteran soldier kept on insisting that the intelligence network must be tightened at the lowest, that is the thana-level, and this would not be possible without the cooperation of the public. Since that cannot be done in a day, the country will continue to lie exposed to attacks and deaths. The Mumbai police chief had not mentioned intelligence failure in so many words, but it is amply clear that he was also referring to the same thing.

Non-professionals are also saying the same and quite a few politicians are gunning for the Union home minister, Shivraj Patil. Being in charge of internal security, the man certainly has to answer a lot of questions, particularly as he has not exactly impressed the world with his performance in the last two years. Still, have heart. The man from Maharashtra has to work with a force that is overburdened with the wrongs of the past.

It all began in the Sixties of the last century when the Congress government at the Centre decided to go in for preventive detention in a large way. Defence of India Rules, Maintenance of Internal Security Act and such other measures became convenient tools in the hands of an administration which was as keen to lock up political opponents without normal trial as to pick up anti-social elements not to the liking of the then political dispensation. The police were happy, they were spared the hassle of framing charges and proving people guilty in courts.

This not only led to a curb on civil liberties, with time it began to tell on the efficiency of the force. Calcutta police, for instance, used to be hailed at one time for its performance, which was believed to be comparable to that of Scotland Yard as it was then. The detective department could be counted upon to nab potential wrongdoers, and with plenty of evidence to be placed before a court of law. Slowly, this efficiency began to wear out as preventive detention dispensed, to a large extent, with the need for investigation. Indeed, when the Left Front came to office in 1977 and did away with preventive detention, a senior police officer had confided to this contributor, “What do we do now, our sources at the thana level have mostly dried upâ€

John Snow
BRFite
Posts: 1941
Joined: 03 Feb 2006 00:44

Postby John Snow » 02 Aug 2006 22:08

Does anybod remember RPF? The Railway Pilferation Force.

I have seen in Divisional Head quaters of Railways where class I officers would have a RPF chap doing everyting mentioned here.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 03 Aug 2006 13:26

ASPuar wrote:Whats to refute? Its true.

I have personally seen NSG operatives being used as Jharoo-poccha, and kitchen help, by, as what RM calls it, IPS-pandus.


Is it called Orderly?

The IPS pandus, who are otherwise Avtaar-e-God, get 2-3 constables in uniform to serve as servants in their house. They sweep the floor, clean toilets, cook food, bathe the IPS's munna etc etc. He gets salary of a constable.

This is an insult to the constable, and a massive bunden on govt tresury.

-Rahul Mehta

ASPuar
BRFite
Posts: 1538
Joined: 07 Feb 2001 12:31
Location: Republic of India

Postby ASPuar » 14 Aug 2006 21:30

George J wrote:Whoa there, the IPS cadre are ENTITLED to having one orderly at home. Just like the senior ranks of the services too. So lets not kid ourselves into thinking that this ia a babu phenom (its not since IAS/IFS are NOT given the same perk, no peons for them).

These orderlies do everything from shine sahabs shoes to cook. And something which is typical of armed forces orderlies....bring you cold water everytime you step into the house.

Dont fret about NSG...even SPG orderlies do work at home...so do the IA SF orderlies. This is just the way its done, deal with it.

Oh I know this will get your jingo goat: they even field when baba and friends play cricket and then run in to get water when baba requests. :twisted:


The Sahayak (not called orderly anymore), is not supposed to be doing menial tasks, and in the homes of responsible officers, DOES NOT perform household tasks.

The job of the orderly is to act as valet to the officer, ensure spic and span maintenance of kit and uniform of the officer, and servicability of his weapons.

Cutting vegetables and such are responsibilities foisted on them by 2nd rate scooter-tutor-rubber chappal type officers who are too cheap to hire staff.

Playing cricket with baba etc. yes, they do do stuff like that, and is not objectionable.

BTW, I do feel like only IA has the sahayak system. I havent heard of them in the IAF. Every army officer has a sahayak however.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 06 Sep 2006 13:23

To save the thread

vsudhir
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2173
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 03:44
Location: Dark side of the moon

Postby vsudhir » 23 Sep 2006 04:09

Too good to be true?

SC orders a cop clean-up

Insulating the police from politicians, separation of law and order machinery from the investigative apparatus, fixed tenure for police officers starting right from the station house officer — these are some of the far-reaching directions given by the Supreme Court today aimed at establishing a long-cherished independent and responsive police force in the country.

A bench of Chief Justice Y K Sabharwal, Justice C K Thakker and Justice P K Balasubramanyam, on a petition filed by Prakash Singh, a former Director General of Police, and NGO Common Cause, gave the judgement listing the directions. When implemented, these have the potential to change the face of India’s police force.


Wow, eh? One can only hope.....

Rishirishi
BRFite
Posts: 1258
Joined: 12 Mar 2005 02:30

Postby Rishirishi » 23 Sep 2006 04:46

Too good to be true?


This is nothing short of a revolution. How can such an important issue, just come out of the blue?

It can transform the society.

shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6838
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Postby shyamd » 23 Sep 2006 04:56

Apsoloutley, I hope it is implemented by the deadline. This can really change things.

Kumar
BRFite
Posts: 259
Joined: 13 Feb 1999 12:31

Postby Kumar » 23 Sep 2006 07:14

Thank God for Judiciary and Election commission for saving the republic from time to time.

Left to the politicians and Babus, we would still be stuck with the colonial era Police act of 1880s.

This is indeed a revolution. Lets see how it plays out. Results should start to become visible in a few years.

vsudhir
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2173
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 03:44
Location: Dark side of the moon

Postby vsudhir » 23 Sep 2006 07:42

Kumar wrote:Thank God for Judiciary and Election commission for saving the republic from time to time.

Left to the politicians and Babus, we would still be stuck with the colonial era Police act of 1880s.

This is indeed a revolution. Lets see how it plays out. Results should start to become visible in a few years.


Comes under aministrative reforms section, but didn't manmohan recently rationalise the civil servant performance appraisal system? I remember hoping to see the effects soon as well.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 25 Sep 2006 18:49

Kumar wrote:Thank God for Judiciary and Election commission for saving the republic from time to time.

Judocracy is the one which has contributed MOST to runing the republic, foget saving it. From 1956, when SCjs banned JurySys as it was reducing incomes of lower court judges, to creating obstacles in land reforms and throwing endless stay orders to projects liek Narmada, Judocracy has left no stone unturned to ruin this nation. Thanks to procedure of election, and the fact that IAS are selected by written exams and not appointed, the nation has managed to limp ahead.

Left to the politicians and Babus, we would still be stuck with the colonial era Police act of 1880s. This is indeed a revolution. Lets see how it plays out. Results should start to become visible in a few years.


Coming to so called police reforms, the corruption in police has increased ONLY becuase judges do NOT punish corrupt. The police act or IPC has little to do with it.

Pls read between the lines. The SCjs are NOT talking about improving pandudom. There is NOT even one point which will reduce the bribery even by 1%. They ONLY want to make it difficult for Ministers/MLAs to have a share in the loot. IOW, the judges want all the bribe money to go to pandus, may be some to PPs, and rest to the members of so called "police boards", who will be retired judges, retired babus, eminent intellectuals, elitemen and other assorted agents of elitemen.

Consider following suggestion from SCjs :

1. IG, Deputy IG, SP and SHO will have minimum fixed tenure of 2 years.

2. Investigating police will be separated from law and order police to ensure speedier investigation, better expertise and improved rapport with people.

3. Police Establishment Board in each state to decide on transfers, postings etc and service related matters of officers’ upto DSP.

4. Police Complaints Authority at district level to look into complaints against police officers till DSP.


Consider 1. All this means is that IG etc dont need to pay bribes to CM. This does NOT mean that IG cant collect bribes as they do today. Consider suggestion-3. All this means is that DSP etc dont need to give bribes to MLAs/Ministers, but need to pass hafta to members of police board.And what basis this assumption has that the board members will be honest?. Just look at High Court judges, which in a way, is a board that supervises lower courts. How honestly are they doing the job of supervising lower court judges? Well, the judge JW Singh got acuitted. The judge who had sold warrant in the name of President and SC-CJ too recently got acquitted and is back in the SAME court where he was serving. So much for supervision by these boards.

All this talk that make an agency "independent from neta" and corruption will reduce is a farce. The Judocracy is the best=worst example. It is independent of neta, and yet as corrupt as police. Another example is TRAI. That too is independent of neta, and yet as defunct as Finance Ministry. Each and evey of these so called independent institutions have proven to be as defunct and corrupt as agency led by Ministers.

To reduce bribery etc in police, we need to COPY=ape the US model. In US, most districts have elected as well as recallble district pandu chiefs. This ensures that pandu chief will NOT let criminals unleash a terror on us commons. In addition, we need us-like JurySys where by commons can expel and imprison the corrupt cops. This is necessary and sufficient. All this "independent police board" is just a scheme to take power from neta and give it to someone else as defunct as neta. It does not do us commons any good.

Paul
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3566
Joined: 25 Jun 1999 11:31
Contact:

Postby Paul » 03 Oct 2006 03:53

Barring one, all states sat on police reforms for 10 yrs

NEW DELHI, OCTOBER 2: Ten days after the Supreme Court ordered all states and Union territories to put in place radical police reforms, there seems to be a studied silence among them — from Jaipur to Dispur, Chandigarh to Chennai. And the apparent lack of action on implementing the order, which has a December 31 deadline, is explained by how most of the states responded during the hearing of the reform petition: well, they did not bother to respond properly, if at all.

Giving directions on a PIL filed in 1996 by former Uttar Pradesh DGP Prakash Singh, the apex court on September 22 told the Centre and the states to promptly introduce wide police reforms involving the separation of law and order, and investigation, and fixing set tenures for senior officers, among many others.

The decade-long process leading to the direction is a story of wilful apathy by most: After the court had served notice on the PIL, only Kerala sent its representative to New Delhi to put across its submission, said Prashant Bhushan, who appeared on behalf of petitioner Singh.

The rest, barring Orissa, shrugged off the notice by submitting brief affidavits that pleaded for the rejection of the PIL. Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, which send more than 100 MPs to the Lok Sabha but figure on top of the crime chart, did not even make an oral submission, let alone send in affidavits.

Other states and union territories that also chose to ignore the petition were Jammu & Kashmir, Tripura, Uttaranchal, Chhattisgarh, Delhi and Chandigarh.

Asked why UP did not care to send in an affidavit all these years, advocate-general SMA Kazmi said: “I don’t know about it. I have to check the records. I will talk to my DGP and let you know.’’

As for the papers that were filed, they were so sketchy that the court did not take note of them. About 19 states had sent their affidavits by 2000 and yet the court had to serve notices again to all of them. A bench, comprising Justice N Santosh Hegde, Justice BP Singh and Justice SB Sinha, on February 11 last year pushed the Centre and states to to “file their response within eight weeks’’.

Only eight states — Sikkim, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Gujarat, Punjab, Rajasthan, Mizoram — again filed their affidavits, if only to reiterate their opposition to proposed reforms.

When the directions were given last month, Chief Justice Y K Sabharwal said: “For most of the State Governments/Union Territories oral submissions were not made.’’

While only Orissa favoured the PIL, others summarily rejected the petition. “Maharashtra was perhaps the most vocal against the petition,’’ said Singh, who also once headed the BSF and Assam Police.

The states are now required to fast-track the apex court’s order within three months but with such a tardy and evasive record, it remains to be seen where the process, set off by Singh’s PIL, now heads.

They said: We won’t, we can’t, we don’t have to

• MAHARASHTRA: Inconsistent with Constitution to make police machinery independent and directly accountable to the people

• GUJARAT: Not binding on government to accept the recommendations... of the National Police Commission as it has no statutory force

• MIZORAM: Petition deserves to be dismissed as in federal structure, no need of uniformity in administration

• MANIPUR: Separating investigation from police not possible, because it will require more police personnel, funds

• TAMIL NADU: Dismiss the petition, as it is wrong to say that Tamil Nadu had failed to implement any of the recommendations of the National Police Commission

• MEGHALAYA: For a state facing serious insurgency, not wise for us to separate investigation from police administration

• ASSAM: We are considering the state committee report

• KERALA: Absolute power for security forces could jeopardize popular government and democracy

• ANDHRA PRADESH: We reject petition, already implementing state-level reforms

• PUNJAB, HIMACHAL PRADESH: Petition does not merit attention as we have already made committees for appointing officers

raman.kirpal@expressindia.com

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54392
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Postby ramana » 31 Oct 2006 21:18

Changes in Police Act likely to be implemented soon

Filling up vacancies in police force and launching various welfare measures like compulsory one-day weekly off, higher housing satisfaction, better mobility and office automation are some of the other suggestions as part of the Central initiative on police reforms.

Taking note of factors like corruption and police-mafia nexus that have affected the functioning of the police, the re-drafting panel also favoured measures for greater professionalism and insulating the force from undue pressures.

Proper performance evaluation and accountability mechanisms are envisaged in the new Act which seeks to make the police "more people-friendly" to enlist public participation in policing.

Noting that adequate time and attention are required for investigation into crime, the panel also has favoured separating crime investigation from law and order duty.

It has also recommended the establishment of dedicated wings for carrying out probes as police officers have to deal with pressing law and order problems

Manu
BRFite
Posts: 765
Joined: 28 May 2003 11:31

Postby Manu » 08 Nov 2006 09:01

In this day and age of Trial by Media, it would help if the Pehalwaans (Wrestlers) of the Indian Police cleaned up their act a bit.

Otherwise, it just affords others an opportunity to level more abuses at an over abused arm of the government.

All the pictures below are from the Delhi Police 'calming' the protesters in the illegal sealing businesses.

Seedha Mooh per Ghusand (straight punches to the mouth).

Chasing the victim
Showing the victim who's boss
Carrying away his kill
Rum Punch
Getting a real kick out of it

Satyanash :evil:
Thousands of traders clashed with police who used batons and tear gas to disperse them from blocking roads in India's capital in renewed protests over a court order to close illegal shops, police said. The city administration has voiced fears that a crackdown against 44,000 such shops could unleash largescale violence in New Delhi. AFP PHOTO/RAVEENDRAN (Photo credit should read RAVEENDRAN/AFP/Getty Images)

Vishwakarma
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 5
Joined: 14 May 2005 00:18

Postby Vishwakarma » 08 Nov 2006 09:57

UK seeks Mumbai's helpAdd to Clippings
[ 8 Nov, 2006 0241hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
RSS Feeds| SMS NEWS to 8888 for latest updates

MUMBAI: The United Kingdom is seeking the help of the Mumbai police to prevent terrorist attacks during the 2012 Olympics in London. It will also collaborate with India for a similar security exercise during the 2010 Commonwealth Games in New Delhi, British foreign minister Margaret Beckett said on Tuesday after a meeting with CM Vilasrao Deshmukh and Mumbai police chief A N Roy.

Beckett, who is on a week's visit to India, has already met senior members of the Union cabinet in New Delhi. Her visit, the first since becoming foreign minister, has focused on bilateral issues concerning trade and security. "We are working to draw practical lessons from our experience of terrorist attacks on mass transit system," Beckett said after the meeting.

"The UK has been working hard to expedite India's membership to the Financial Action Task Force, the world's leading body for countering terrorism finance," she said. Deshmukh said the state would make use of the advanced technology the UK had its disposal.

"The two governments have decided to set up a mechanism so that the police forces of the two countries can exchange experiences. Recently, a senior police officer from the UK was here and he was very impressed with the way we have solved the case so quickly," Roy said.

While Beckett refused to comment on Pakistan's role in the July 11 bombings, Deshmukh said the state had given the Centre the evidence it had collected regarding "a particular country's" role in the blasts, adding that it would welcome a statement from Britain condemning such terrorism. Deshmukh invited investment from the UK in the state, and spoke to Beckett of the state's new housing policy and the possibility of FDI.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hopefully, the information Mumbai police shared with UK police chief will be passed on to their poodle pakis soon so they don't repeat mistakes they did and make the blasts foolproof next time, with no evidence. :roll:

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Postby Singha » 09 Nov 2006 01:08

previous week and today night I had to visit a large big baZaar store nearby. both days the area near checkout gate was crowded

last week they caught one teenager who had worn 4 shirts and few pants atop each other but forgot to remove the electronic tags(need that magnet thing in checkout). a search revealed lot of cosmetics also. fearing a beating from the ample number of guards he fell back on the old "Who am I, whats my name" metal retard defence. unfortunately there was a local police stationed inhouse that night and I saw him being dragged away.

today was even more interesting. the thief tried the bold approach and attempted to run when challenged by salesman, runs down the stairs with staff shouting and chasing him, the guards at the sole exit just let him charge in and SMACK him with both barrels. no police this time, they used the 'earthy' techniques shown in Manu's post and beat the living crap out of him right there.

tough justice - but works.

pradeepe
BRFite
Posts: 741
Joined: 27 Aug 2006 20:46
Location: Our culture is different and we cannot live together - who said that?

Postby pradeepe » 09 Nov 2006 01:24

Vishwakarma wrote:UK seeks Mumbai's helpAdd to Clippings
[ 8 Nov, 2006 0241hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
RSS Feeds| SMS NEWS to 8888 for latest updates

MUMBAI: The United Kingdom is seeking the help of the Mumbai police to prevent terrorist attacks during the 2012 Olympics in London. It will also


Wasnt some beeb from the beeb recently p*ssing on the Indian police recently. Should be made to eat this whilst sitting business side up on a faithfull lathi.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 07 Dec 2006 18:05

to save this thread

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 05 Jan 2007 14:20

Singha wrote:2 inspectors, 4 sub inspectors dismissed. two former SPs suspended.


SriKumar wrote:Dismissed is good. Suspended, from what I've heard= Suspended with pay, so now you get paid to not work. More news starts to trickle in (Hindustan Times): 45,000 children go missing every year


Why are we(*) all so ignorant about the laws? :((

The HomeSecy has deliberately dismissed the cops without an inquiry and a show cause notice. Secy has expelled them without giving them a chance to prove their innocence. Hence, he gave them an EASY way by which they can go to HC and get the dismissal order cancelled. So when dust settles, these expelled cops will go to HCj, give him a bribe of say Rs 250,001/- (rupees two lakh fifty thousand and one only) and get the order cancelled. So HomeSecy is just playing a drama to convince the gullibes that some real action has been taken. And you guys got fooled, despite all your education, knowledge, illumination etc.

HomeMin, CM and HomeSecies get monthly hafta from SHOs and SPs. So they dont expel even those cops who beat, rob, rape and kill us commons; let alone those who let criminals do so. If cops dont let criminals flourish, how will IPS, IAS, HomeSec, CM, HM get hafta? So "you are letting criminals flourish" is no execuse.

========

(Kiran) Bedi explained that Indian policemen are taught to investigate only cognizable offences because they show up in annual crime figures. In most cases — like in Noida — all that the police do is make a daily diary entry, and issue the complainant a non-cognizable report, telling them a "case" has been registered. "It is called burking in police slang," Bedi said.


And why do policemen do so, Ms Bedi? Becuase they are too busy making bribes, spending bribe money and investing bribe money and these IPS and junior cops dont have time to search for commons' kids. But then we will never ever hear about bribery of your fellow IPS and other policemen from you. Am I right MS Bedi?

Till date, I have NEVER read any article from Ms Bedi, Raghava (ex-CBI chief, now columnist in FrontLine) about rampant corruption in IPS and junior policemen. Did she ever wrote about how policemen use torture to extract bribes from us commons, and how policemen promote criminals? NO. She didnt.

if we are serious about improving police and courts, it is best we COMPLETELY ignore bhashans and views from people who can even call corrupt policemen and judges as corrupt.

============

We all BRites and other illuminated ones are OPENLY hostile to

a)enacting a procedure by which we commons can expel district police chief by majority vote

b)enacting a procedure by which we commons can expel junior cops by JurySys

c)enacting a procedure by which we commons can expel judgs/PPs etc by majority vote

Our(*) allergy to democracy is costing commons their blood, literally.

We educated ones are busy singing songs of 8% growth rate, 10% growth rate, highways, flyways, skyways etc. and filling "Nation Singing, Marching, Dancing" threads.

We illuminated dont have time whether commons and their kids get raped, killed and their organs get auctioned.

So we (except myself) dont have time to pull collars of corrupt policemen, judges etc

So why dont we let commons pull the collars of policemen and judges? WhyTF are we hostile to letting commons expel police chiefs? Are our intentions malafide? Is it becuase we illumionated ones *want* commons to live in hell? I cant reply these questions, and forum policy prohibits me from attacking BRites.

=========

(* - We means "we BRites (except myself)" )

shaardula
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2591
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 20:02

Postby shaardula » 05 Jan 2007 15:20

according many reports today, some neta is going about calling these killings inconsequential and routine. *shudder*

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Postby Singha » 05 Jan 2007 15:48

its mulla singhs brother. mulla himself hasnt shown his face because per superstition two prior CMs lost their seats soon after visiting NOIDA.

tells us where their priorities are if any were needed.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 05 Jan 2007 16:15

shaardula wrote:according many reports today, some neta is going about calling these killings inconsequential and routine. *shudder*


To over 100 out of 99 educated, articulate, illuminated etc folks and Nbjprie these talks of organ trade etc are indeed inconsequential and routine. After all, Noida is a prime example of 10% growth rate story, IT exports etc and such news are media psyops from lefists mediamen meant to denigerate image of Noida and India.

What else do you think? You think educated ones and Nbjprie will bother just because some 50-60 commons' kids got whacked for organ trade?

shaardula
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2591
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 20:02

Postby shaardula » 05 Jan 2007 18:06

saar as much as i agree with your diagnosis, and would be more than happy if your prescriptions work out, honestly, as a card holding member of the SDRE, I can only nod at your persuasive rhetoric and hope that the inconsequential and routine happens to those responsible.

in the meanwhile, there is atleast one babu at helm of a mil people large unglossy city who is trying to make this accountability to commons a systemic feature. mostly in development type activities. jujjing and puleesing beyond his purview. so he was trying claim puleesing rights for himself. aparently has the rights. but only never done in the history of the law.
interesting chap. you ought to meet him.

Rahul Mehta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2577
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Ahmedabad, India --- Bring JurySys in India
Contact:

Postby Rahul Mehta » 05 Jan 2007 19:54

shaardula wrote:saar as much as i agree with your diagnosis, and would be more than happy if your prescriptions work out, honestly, as a card holding member of the SDRE, I can only nod at your persuasive rhetoric and hope that the inconsequential and routine happens to those responsible.


Thanks.

Wot is SDRE?

in the meanwhile, there is atleast one babu at helm of a mil people large unglossy city who is trying to make this accountability to commons a systemic feature.


"accountable" is subjective buzzword. Who is that babu?

AFAIK, not even, I repeat, NOT even one babu wants us commons to have procedure to expel district police chief, district judges, PP, DEO etc etc .

... mostly in development type activities. jujjing and puleesing beyond his purview. so he was trying claim puleesing rights for himself. aparently has the rights. but only never done in the history of the law.
interesting chap. you ought to meet him.


I would surely like to meet him. Pls email me his phone # etc at MehtaRahulC at yahoo dot com. Thanks

shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6838
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Postby shyamd » 05 Jan 2007 23:02

India Will Train Police To Catch Cybercriminals
By Paul McDougall,

In an effort to better protect the millions of outsourced consumer and business records that find their way to its shores each year, India has begun training law enforcement personnel to identify and catch cybercriminals.

The state of Karnataka, home to tech hot spot Bangalore, on Thursday announced the opening of a lab where it expects to train more than 1,000 police officers and other law enforcement personnel annually in cybercrime investigation techniques. The center, located in Bangalore, will be the third such facility opened by Indian authorities. Cybersecurity centers already operate in the cities of Mumbai and Thane.

"Various forms of cybercrime are on the rise around the world, and while India continues to be among the safest places in respect to a strong security framework, there's a continuous need to be vigilant," says Nandkumar Saravade, director of cybersecurity and compliance at NASSCOM, a lobby group representing India's outsourcing industry. NASSCOM is launching the center in partnership with the government of Karnataka. India's Canara Bank is also participating in the project.

Training will include teaching police officers how the Internet, e-mail, and other computer-based tools can be used by criminals to illegally obtain information stored in databases operated by India's outsourcers, which handle millions of sensitive consumer and business records on behalf of customers in the United States and around the world.

The security of India's outsourcing industry was questioned last year by a U.K. television station. In a documentary, reporters for Channel 4 said they were able to buy consumer data from Indian outsourcing employees for a few dollars.


Return to “Technology & Economic Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests