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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby KL Dubey » 25 May 2017 10:16

Dat be a good-azz road.

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Postby rahulm » 25 May 2017 13:34

What do,you expect when our hounorable and venerable Shri Gadkari himself,is on record saying that will test road quality by driving his car at 150 kmph. The max legal,speed limit in India is 80 kmph.

I am unaware of any law that legalises speeding by the Transport minister for QA checks. I, am also unaware of any law of physics that does not apply to Transport ministers. If he does carry out what he said he would shouldn't he be fined the maximum penalty to the maximum extent of the law. There is no provision in the law to exempt people with good accomplishments from road rules.

So Mr Gadkari is publicly endorsing over speeding by 70 kmph. In any other country he would have been reprimanded but not a whimper from anybody in this case.

Besides, is this really a scientific method of testing ?
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Postby hanumadu » 25 May 2017 13:41

rahulm wrote:What do,you expect when our hounorable and venerable Shri Gadkari himself,is on record saying that will test road quality by driving his car at 150 kmph. The max legal,speed limit in India is 80 kmph.

I am unaware of any law that legalises speeding by the Transport minister for QA checks. I, am also unaware of any law of physics that does not apply to Transport ministers. If he does carry out what he said he would shouldn't he be fined the maximum penalty to the maximum extent of the law. There is no provision in the law to exempt people with good accomplishments from road rules.

So Mr Gadkari is publicly endorsing over speeding by 70 kmph. In any other country he would have been reprimanded but not a whimper from anybody in this case.


Well, he can test it before the road is opened for public. I don't think it is an endorsement for speeding.

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby kvraghav » 25 May 2017 14:50

The Tin Cans that Maruti calls as cars have insane power to weight ratio being light weight. This is what makes people feel they can race in lighter cars. One such person was doing the same in his brezza with my Safari. I gave him space and he jumped a hump in mysore road. That put some sense and he slowed down.

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby Rajesh_MR » 25 May 2017 20:12

rahulm wrote: The max legal,speed limit in India is 80 kmph.

Remember seeing 100kmph limit in some sections of Salem-Coimbatore NH

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Postby arun » 26 May 2017 08:09

Our Prime Minister Narendra Modi will today innaugurate the three lane, 9.15 kilometre Dhola-Sadiya bridge which has been built over river the Lohit, a tributary of the Brahmaputra, and links Dhola in Assam to Sadiya in Arunachal Pradesh. This bridge is India’s longest.


Bridging the gap: All you need to know about India's longest Dhola-Sadiya bridge

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Postby Karthik S » 26 May 2017 12:22

It's named after Dr Bhupen Hazarika. I hope they name the other bridge after Lachit Borphukan.

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Postby A Deshmukh » 26 May 2017 12:55

Rajesh_MR wrote:
rahulm wrote: The max legal,speed limit in India is 80 kmph.

Remember seeing 100kmph limit in some sections of Salem-Coimbatore NH

Hyderabad ORR speed limit is 100kmph.

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Postby arshyam » 26 May 2017 21:35

For the record.

PM inaugurates India's longest bridge in Assam, addresses public meeting at Dhola - PIB press release
The Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi, today inaugurated India's longest bridge - the 9.15 km long Dhola-Sadiya bridge, over the River Brahmaputra, in Assam.

This was his first engagement on the third anniversary of his swearing-in as Prime Minister.

The bridge will enhance connectivity and greatly reduce travel time between Assam and Arunachal Pradesh.

After unveiling a plaque to mark the inauguration, the Prime Minister travelled, and walked on the bridge for a few minutes.

Later, addressing a public meeting at Dhola, the Prime Minister said that the inauguration of the bridge marks the end of a long wait for the people of this area.

The Prime Minister said infrastructure is extremely important for development, and the effort of the Union Government is to fulfil the dreams and wishes of the people. He said this bridge enhances connectivity between Assam and Arunachal Pradesh, and opens the door for economic development, on a big scale.

He said the eastern and north-eastern parts of the country have the greatest potential for economic development, and this bridge is just one element of the Union Government's vision in this regard.

The Prime Minister said the bridge will bring about a positive change in the lives of the common people. He said the Union Government is placing great emphasis on the development of waterways as well.

The Prime Minister said enhanced connectivity between the North-East and other parts of the country is a priority for the Union Government, and work has been greatly speeded up in this regard. He said that good connectivity in the North-East will also link the region with the economy of South-East Asia.

The Prime Minister also spoke of the immense tourism potential of the North-East. He said the Union Government has decided to name the Dhola-Sadiya bridge after the great musician, lyricist and poet, Bhupen Hazarika.

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby arshyam » 26 May 2017 21:42

Some good visuals - it's one loooooong bridge!

PM Modi inaugurates India's longest 'Dhola-Sadia' bridge - video posted on TNIE

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby JE Menon » 29 May 2017 22:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvQIDAjL0Og

New Road infrastructure planned for Mumbai

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby Karthik S » 29 May 2017 23:09

JE Menon wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvQIDAjL0Og

New Road infrastructure planned for Mumbai


Looks awesome, spectacular and with under construction skyscrapers, the city will have Shanghai kinda look.

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby arshyam » 16 Jun 2017 07:31

We don't have a "road transport" thread, and since this thread is perhaps the closest in intent, posting this article here. I always used to be puzzled by the scores of NL and AR registered buses in BLR - none of them looked like they even crossed the Godavari, let alone the Brahmaputra. Finally found the answer..

Seen A Hyderabad Bus Carry Arunachal Registration? Blame State Monopoly On Transport - Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Swarajya
(Posting some snippets, please go to the site to read the full article)
If you have ever taken a private bus between Hyderabad and Chennai, you’d notice that the bus was probably registered in a state such as Arunachal Pradesh (AR), Nagaland (NL), Puducherry (PY) or Odisha (OD). These buses are rarely registered in Tamil Nadu (TN), Andhra Pradesh (AP) or Telangana (TS) itself and would have never seen Arunachal Pradesh or Nagaland after being registered there.

Now, a common question comes to mind– Why would a bus plying in South India be registered somewhere in the Northeast?

The answer lies in terrible government laws that make it very difficult for entrepreneurs in the transport sector to operate freely. The two main culprits here are the Motor Vehicles Act of 1988 (MVA 88) and Central Motor Vehicle Rules of 1989 (CMVR 89).

Coming back to the question of why buses plying in the south are registered in the north-east. This is a simple case of private players finding a way to circumvent needless laws. The loophole in the law is that the transport department of any state has jurisdiction over only those buses registered in the state. Thus, buses and trucks would register themselves in states with lesser restrictions and ply them in other parts of a country. This has been the general scenario in the country for decades now, and this is why you see buses registered in Arunachal Pradesh plying in Bengaluru.

But even this round about manner of somehow getting to operate buses is being threatened by government, only this time it’s the government of Arunachal Pradesh.

Recently, the government of Arunachal Pradesh began a crackdown against buses that bore AR registrations but were running outside of the state. The transport commissioner has asked district transport officials to cancel their registrations as well as their national permits. The grounds behind this move is evidently Section 49 of the MVA.

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby hanumadu » 19 Jun 2017 06:32

Eastern peripheral expressway to be opened on Aug 15.
Is Rebar not being used in our expressways? Is it not standard practice to use rebar? Gadkari was saying that the new express ways would last 100 years. Can they last that long or even 50 years without rebar?


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Postby CalvinH » 19 Jun 2017 09:16

hanumadu wrote:Eastern peripheral expressway to be opened on Aug 15.
Is Rebar not being used in our expressways? Is it not standard practice to use rebar? Gadkari was saying that the new express ways would last 100 years. Can they last that long or even 50 years without rebar?



Very impressive. Especially since the other half ring of Wester Peripheral expressway is close to 10 years into construction and nowhere near completion. Only Gurgaon-Manesar-Palwal stretch is complete. Completing this half ring in 30 months is a record achievement.

EPP I think was more important as it connects to Noida-Agra Expressway so now one can travel from Sonepat to Agra non stop. If the link between Noida-Agra Expressway and Agra-Lucknow expressway is complete then one can travel on multi lane good non congested road all the way to Lucknow.

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Postby arshyam » 19 Jun 2017 10:35

CalvinH wrote:Very impressive. Especially since the other half ring of Wester Peripheral expressway is close to 10 years into construction and nowhere near completion. Only Gurgaon-Manesar-Palwal stretch is complete.

Getting there. Apparently this section was built in 11 months after it was revived in 2015.



Only drawback is the lack of separate exits and merging ramps for truck stops - they have just plonked them right off the highway.

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Postby hanumadu » 19 Jun 2017 12:51

hanumadu wrote:Eastern peripheral expressway to be opened on Aug 15.
Is Rebar not being used in our expressways? Is it not standard practice to use rebar? Gadkari was saying that the new express ways would last 100 years. Can they last that long or even 50 years without rebar?


The land acquisition cost for EPE is 7000 cr while the construction cost is 4000 crore.

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Postby hanumadu » 20 Jun 2017 05:23

It seems work has already started, supposed to be completed in 5 years.

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Jun 2017 09:12

It's supposed to start on Oct 1. But wish they worked on the entire line instead of dividing it into two phases and working on one at a time.

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Postby vsunder » 25 Jun 2017 21:17

Cable stayed bridge on Kota bypass to open July 1, on East-West national highway. Bridge across Chambal had collapsed during construction killing many in 2009. Gammon was held responsible. The bridge is cable stayed so that the famous Chambal gharials/crocodiles are protected. The bridge will also have sound mollifying baffles etc so that traffic sounds are ameliorated in the gharial breeding grounds. Congis are agitated as they want to have a big hand in the inauguration--- the usual: project started when they were in power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4hNAzMjf6k

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby Karthik S » 25 Jun 2017 21:24

I really hope that we build bridge on the scale of verrazano narrows or akashi kaiko connecting Mumbai island to Navi mumbai. Really wish someone comes up with this idea.

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby nachiket » 27 Jun 2017 03:22

Karthik S wrote:I really hope that we build bridge on the scale of verrazano narrows or akashi kaiko connecting Mumbai island to Navi mumbai. Really wish someone comes up with this idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Trans_Harbour_Link

Been hanging fire for years. Contracts were to be awarded this month. Don't know what the status is now.

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Postby Singha » 27 Jun 2017 07:20

the EPE is indeed a very important project for logistics and industry

while delhi builds these massive highways all over the place, mumbai is oddly unable to make much progress on mega projects like trans harbour link and navi mumbai airport. by now the navi mumbai should have been a alternate magnet city the size of gurgaon with its own train terminus and airport going to all parts of india.

mumbais poor commute situation and high property cost is stopping its natural progression which would occur due to its skills cluster, higher education, transport links to india and the world. vast new planned colonies and metros should have reached alibaug by now. thats the size of train served cachement area of NYC and london.

core mumbai like any old megacity has a place only for the very rich and poor - the middle class needs other satellite cities to live and work in. the core will still retain a lot of jobs, so transport links by train and metro are very key. even though its a long commute, wall street is right where it was and not shifted to much cheaper locales in long island, stamford, greenwich, newark etc enmasse.

its like having a v8 economic 'engine' with with 2 misfiring cylinders

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby ManuJ » 27 Jun 2017 11:05

hanumadu wrote:Eastern peripheral expressway to be opened on Aug 15.

Got a first-hand look recently. Much work left. Will have unfinished sections if inaugurated on 15 Aug.

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Postby ManuJ » 27 Jun 2017 11:12

Btw, Shimla-Chandigarh highway is a mess. Almost the entire route is dug up and under construction simultaneously. Appt, as per our driver, this has been the state for 2+ years, and from the looks of it, will take another 2 years to complete. Our downhill journey took 5+ hours instead of the expected 2.5 -3. Uphill must be a nightmare.

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Postby Singha » 27 Jun 2017 11:44

Used to be one of smooth roads in my era

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby ManuJ » 27 Jun 2017 17:09

Yeah, seems like they are converting it into a divided, 4-lane highway.
Once completed, it will greatly improve safety and increase speeds.
But progress is slow and painful.

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Postby darshhan » 28 Jun 2017 10:46

Singha wrote:the EPE is indeed a very important project for logistics and industry

while delhi builds these massive highways all over the place, mumbai is oddly unable to make much progress on mega projects like trans harbour link and navi mumbai airport. by now the navi mumbai should have been a alternate magnet city the size of gurgaon with its own train terminus and airport going to all parts of india.

mumbais poor commute situation and high property cost is stopping its natural progression which would occur due to its skills cluster, higher education, transport links to india and the world. vast new planned colonies and metros should have reached alibaug by now. thats the size of train served cachement area of NYC and london.

core mumbai like any old megacity has a place only for the very rich and poor - the middle class needs other satellite cities to live and work in. the core will still retain a lot of jobs, so transport links by train and metro are very key. even though its a long commute, wall street is right where it was and not shifted to much cheaper locales in long island, stamford, greenwich, newark etc enmasse.

its like having a v8 economic 'engine' with with 2 misfiring cylinders


Plus the fact that construction output for mumbai will always be much less compared to say Delhi or Hyderabad. It rains there for almost 4-5 months. I doubt if labour is kept mobilized during this period. Most of the contractors would definitely demobilize during this period. Take atleast 1 month out for demobilization and remobilization. That gives just about 6 full working months that too under optimal conditions. I suspect a project which would take about 1 year to complete in NCR, will take 2 to 2.5 years in Mumbai.

So Until unless Mumbai admin is extremely proactive, I do not see much hope for this city.

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Postby Singha » 28 Jun 2017 14:22

it rains in UK almost daily and plenty in singapore ...yet ... must be ways to keep going.

one thing i noticed is foreign construction sites use very little casual manual labour . they look eeriely deserted vs people milling around on our sites. our small builders do everything manually incl baskets of sand, bricks or cement carried around on heads. steel rods sawed and made straight by brute power on site. untidy , slow n unsafe.

closer home the big slab itvity construction in blr never stops once a proj starts - its 24x7 in shifts incl rains - only really heavy rains stops activity.

Intel has constructed its new SRR7 building using a wierd "sling" technique it was built from the top floor down with the entire cast floor hanging from the next floor up instead of usual bottom up having usual matrix of poles to support the wooden frames and concrete. another one is coming up next to it. i saw it evolve as its on my way to work.

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Postby Karthik S » 28 Jun 2017 17:09

There was a talk of having grid like highway network like in US. Gadkari claims so many KMs per day, but only when google map gives 100Km/hr as average speed as in most western countries, I'd not consider that we have a great highway network. Almost all location still take average speed of 50km/hr.

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Postby darshhan » 28 Jun 2017 18:24

Singha wrote:it rains in UK almost daily and plenty in singapore ...yet ... must be ways to keep going.

one thing i noticed is foreign construction sites use very little casual manual labour . they look eeriely deserted vs people milling around on our sites. our small builders do everything manually incl baskets of sand, bricks or cement carried around on heads. steel rods sawed and made straight by brute power on site. untidy , slow n unsafe.

closer home the big slab itvity construction in blr never stops once a proj starts - its 24x7 in shifts incl rains - only really heavy rains stops activity.

Intel has constructed its new SRR7 building using a wierd "sling" technique it was built from the top floor down with the entire cast floor hanging from the next floor up instead of usual bottom up having usual matrix of poles to support the wooden frames and concrete. another one is coming up next to it. i saw it evolve as its on my way to work.


Singha ji, The base infrastructure is already built in places like london and singapore. The roads are built. So are the metro lines and so on. Except on expressways, western cities anyway do not use the flyover model. So the quantum of infrastructure construction will be very less compared to Indian cities. I doubt any current comparisons would be worthwile.

And even considering automation and modern technologies, weather is a very hard nut to crack. Especially in place like mumbai with a stretched monsoon season.

The building projects can still be managed as they are in a limited area and perimeter defined. Furthermore you can always work on interiors(finishing works) in rainy season. Less downtime.

But by nature roads, rails and metro projects are distributed projects. Not much work is done adverse weather and that includes the western countries.

Indian companies are also big on automation these days. Just look at how metro and flyover technologies have evolved over the period. But yes per worker output is still very low. Especially when it comes to basis work like bar bending, structural steel work and formwork. The main reason is the lack of adequate and quality organised instruction. Skill india initiative of Namo govt aims to resolve this situation.

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Postby Singha » 28 Jun 2017 21:06

the Intel SRR3 in blr built using vertical sling slab casting method really quick

http://blogs.intel.com/csr/files/2017/0 ... k-wide.jpg

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby nachiket » 28 Jun 2017 22:38

Rains in Mumbai are the most convenient excuse given by city admin for all kinds of delays and also for the pathetic road quality. In reality the major issues are the familiar ones, land acquisition, lack of funds, corruption and an apathetic administration. All big road (and even the metro) projects in the city are already hampered by the lack of space and high population density. You add politicians who are more interested in votes from slums rather than redeveloping them and you make the land acquisition n times more difficult. The Santacruz-Chembur link road for example was hanging fire for over a decade. Surely it wasn't raining continuously for 10+ years. Other projects have had similar problems.

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Postby Karthik S » 28 Jun 2017 22:44

Construction of phase 1 of the Mumbai coastal road will start this Oct, after the monsoon season. It's 9.5 along with some land reclamation. Let's see how long it takes. We really need to compare the Chinese speed and ours. Just the civil engineering part, i.e. with all the necessary permission, funds etc.

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Postby tandav » 29 Jun 2017 08:01

Speed of public works is essentially dependent on speed of money disbursement. Automated time bound payment protocol implemented for public contracts will rachet up speed. I had proposed 1) a weekly/monthly NACS/NECS mandate to be issued as part of the contract along with Work Order. 2) The Engineering in Charge / Civil servants have the ability to stop future payments if work is not up to par during inspections and is not corrected to the satisfactory levels within set time frames.

Currently the situation is reversed: Contractor does work and then submits bills and waits to get paid as the file moves through a large number of desks for approvals and final money disbursements.

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Postby Singha » 29 Jun 2017 08:59

yesterday a friend was showing pics of huge high tide waves on marine drive. hope rough sea dont hamper the west coastal road work

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Postby darshhan » 29 Jun 2017 17:28

tandav wrote:Speed of public works is essentially dependent on speed of money disbursement. Automated time bound payment protocol implemented for public contracts will rachet up speed. I had proposed 1) a weekly/monthly NACS/NECS mandate to be issued as part of the contract along with Work Order. 2) The Engineering in Charge / Civil servants have the ability to stop future payments if work is not up to par during inspections and is not corrected to the satisfactory levels within set time frames.

Currently the situation is reversed: Contractor does work and then submits bills and waits to get paid as the file moves through a large number of desks for approvals and final money disbursements.


Very true. Almost every contractor is now screwed because of untimely payments.

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Very nice explanation.

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Re: Indian Roads Thread

Postby tandav » 09 Jul 2017 16:47

We have many mountains in India and instead of cutting into the mountain to make roads we should sling the roads on the cliff faces like the Chinese quite innovatively in Hunan. These roads are extremely light duty and can only help in transport of people and small machinery its may be very very useful in moutainous regions

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3036601/The-country-health-safety-forgot-Chinese-workers-balance-flimsy-planks-no-ropes-build-road-thousands-feet-mountain.html


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