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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Singha » 05 Sep 2011 21:49

Yezdi used to be the preffered mount of all the college/freelance goondas in my city. seemed to have a high t:w and acceleration compared to the KB100/CD100/Rajdoot types of that era...

btw what happened to Rajdoot...they did have a well regarded D175 and 350 models?

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby mraghu » 05 Sep 2011 21:53

Escorts were the manufacturer. The Rajdoot bikes were a licensed and detuned copies of Yamaha bikes. The service levels were pathetic. One of my relatives owned it in the early 80's and it was a mess to maintain especially in the small town we lived in. Once the 100CC bikes become successful, Escorts simply stopped manufacturing them wisely...

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Sriman » 05 Sep 2011 22:14

My father's first bike was a Rajdoot. It was a pretty good bike for rural roads but started developing serious starting trouble pretty soon. Everyday his day started with kicking that beast for a few mins. He got tired of it and sold it. He then bought a Hero Honda that is still running.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Ambar » 05 Sep 2011 22:23

I owned a Jawa-Yezdi 250CL when i was young, you know the one that you could start with a 2 inch nail ? Bought it secondhand for a grand sum of 2500 Rs. Those late 70s Jawas were tough sons of b1tches! I could run mine with half kerosene and half petrol and it wouldn't skip a beat!

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Singha » 05 Sep 2011 22:27

I am not a biker...what is it about the 2 inch nail thing?
my father owned a heavy scooter named DigVijay which was much too heavy for me to handle when parking and needed strong kicks to start.
cleaning the carburettor and air filter was a periodic thing he did..and sometimes replacing the brake cables. ran for many yrs without major issues.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Ambar » 05 Sep 2011 22:40

Singha, old Jawas up until Roadking did not have proper keys. The so called key that they provided resembled a long nail, and it worked on all Jawas. It did not have a handle lock either, so you had to lock the handle using a Everest taala ! If you ever lost the ignition "nail", a regular 1-1/2 inch nail could easily start the bike ! I loved its long,loud twin smoking pipes though! It had such terrible combustion design ( designed in communist Czech!), it would belch smoke like a 303 rifle long after the engine was shut off. My then GHQ hated riding pillion on it though as it would blacken the ankles of her jeans with soot!

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby vish_mulay » 06 Sep 2011 05:35






Has these been posted before? If so apologies in adavance.

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Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2011 07:58

interesting. could have been designed for the military (no nicety of keys needed and anyone can ride anyone's bike) and later adapted to civilian use. russia also has some interesting mil bike designs incl with sidecar.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Sriman » 08 Sep 2011 10:29

It was only a matter of time i suppose.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 78418.html

Maruti Considering New Plant in Gujarat
Maruti Suzuki India Ltd. is considering building a new factory in the western state of Gujarat and may take a final decision in the next two to three months, the chairman of the country's largest auto maker by sales said Thursday.

R.C. Bhargava also said that a delegation from Maruti Suzuki, comprising Osamu Suzuki, chairman and chief executive of Maruti's parent Suzuki Motor Corp., will meet Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi and other senior government officials later Thursday to hold discussions about the proposed factory.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Sriman » 10 Sep 2011 12:04

pandyan wrote:What I was highlighting is the fact that one of their crown jewels has a non-indian as a CEO.

Well, change that to 'had' :mrgreen:

Tata Motors group CEO Forster resigns

http://www.livemint.com/2011/09/0917355 ... rster.html

Interesting insight into TML from a former vendor. Take it FWIW. From TBHP:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian-ca ... ost2500554

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Gus » 11 Sep 2011 20:23

Ambar wrote:Singha, old Jawas up until Roadking did not have proper keys. The so called key that they provided resembled a long nail, and it worked on all Jawas. It did not have a handle lock either, so you had to lock the handle using a Everest taala ! If you ever lost the ignition "nail", a regular 1-1/2 inch nail could easily start the bike ! I loved its long,loud twin smoking pipes though! It had such terrible combustion design ( designed in communist Czech!), it would belch smoke like a 303 rifle long after the engine was shut off. My then GHQ hated riding pillion on it though as it would blacken the ankles of her jeans with soot!


Dad had a Yezdi. It used to run on kerosene too. Too bad he gave it to an uncle and by the time I was old enough to understand bikes...it was rusted and rotten.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Gus » 11 Sep 2011 20:24

mraghu wrote:Escorts were the manufacturer. The Rajdoot bikes were a licensed and detuned copies of Yamaha bikes. The service levels were pathetic. One of my relatives owned it in the early 80's and it was a mess to maintain especially in the small town we lived in. Once the 100CC bikes become successful, Escorts simply stopped manufacturing them wisely...


RD350 vintages are much sought after now...

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby nithish » 11 Sep 2011 21:43

--wrong topic--
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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Vasu » 12 Sep 2011 20:44

Ambar wrote:Thought you could do better than hurling personal insults!

What exactly is it that makes one compare a Bullet and a Harley Davidson ? Two motorcycles that are as different as chalk and cheese! Its like someone trying to say "Will Bentley Continental's entry into India take some shine off Tata Nano ?". The only progress RE has made in the last 60 years was to change the wheel size from 19" to 18", and then go to Austria and ask AVL to build a engine that would not seize within first 6 months or leave a pool of oil on your drive way everytime you park!

RE peddled the cast iron,pushrod 350cc engine up until early 2000 because they knew nothing better and had no R&D dept to speak of! The Machismo had alloys of such low quality it cracked at multiple places within a matter of months! Thats before we get to the welds on the chassis that looked as if it was put together by a half paralyzed monkey! And then their municipality office like after sales service at dealer network. I was told my engine seized twice within 1000 kms because i was riding "too fast!". Convincing that I've owned atleast a 7 motorcycles in the past and i know what a break-in period is would fall on deaf ears. Like someone once said in a RE meet, RE created the worlds biggest and fastest vibrator and that's it!

Heard after much celebrations about "ground breaking" efforts by RE and their fuel injected engines on CL, they are running back to carbs because of soot filled cylinders and plugs within the first 1000 kms! And before someone says they export a few of them to England every year, the local dealers in UK strip and rebuild Bullets before selling them to end customers.The sustainability of RE in India was due to the same reasons why PAL/HM stayed in business. License raj and government orders. Yezdi would have sold plenty of bikes too had they been around to see India turn into a thriving economy, unfortunately the Irani brothers decided to run away. RE survived, and used their "big bike" image in a growing market full of 100cc motorcycles. Don't believe any of these ? Login to Indiethumpers and hear what even the most ardent loyal fans of Bullet have to say about them.

So apart from the fact that Bullet and HD/Triumphs are motorcycles with 2 wheels on them, there is no reason at any level to compare them! Then again, i have long given up hope of expecting sense from Indian media, both print and electronic.


Shoot, i didnt mean to offend, merely use your own imagery! I'm sorry.

You know about the history and the comparisons a lot more than I do, but with the passion for a Bullet that I see around me, and the way they are talked about by every owner i've met, I really thought they'd be a lot better in terms of quality than as you describe!

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Pratik_S » 18 Sep 2011 15:44

Can anybody tell me how much It will cost me for seat covers in Mumbai ? I own a Tata Indica V2. Cover can be either Leather or Art Leather.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Singha » 18 Sep 2011 20:37

I would suggest do not buy from car dealer. find the place in mumbai which trades in auto accessories and spares - it will be cheaper. in blr its JC road area.

however if you want real leather its going to cost you even for the roughish car seat quality leather. chances of getting some fake chini type leather are high. for snob value people in blr get it done at "stanley" (a big maker of leather furniture) and they stick their logo outside. Ovion and karlson are other players in blr.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby vishvak » 26 Sep 2011 19:10

Ajatshatru wrote:Doesn't India have one of the highest reserves of thorium in the world? :mrgreen:

'A car that may run 480,000 km before refuelling'!

http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-sh ... 110922.htm

A United States company has announced a new design for a thorium engine that could be used in a future car.

More reasons to form a Thorium cartel RIGHT NOW!

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Singha » 28 Sep 2011 22:45

tbhp reviews the newly launched honda brio - their small car entry in India
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/official- ... eview.html

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Sep 2011 13:32

Singha wrote:tbhp reviews the newly launched honda brio - their small car entry in India
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/official- ... eview.html


Great car, Great Price, Terrible timing when the Market sentiment is against Petrol cars thanks to recent price hikes

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby ManjaM » 29 Sep 2011 14:44

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 167464.cms

Mahindra XUV launched at 10.8 lakhs. Not bad, you get fold flat 3rd row seating too.

Mahindra will position the XUV 500 between the Scorpio and the premium SUV range which comprises of the Toyota Fortuner, Chevrolet Captiva, Mitubishi Outlander, Honda CR-V and the likes. The XUV 500 will be available in both 4x2 and 4x4 variants.


I was seeing the webcast of the launch yesterdin and was quite impressed at the price point they have launched. The competition they are aiming at all are atleast 6-10 lakhs more expensive.

TBhp guys are still not impressed, they would ideally want something that is around 200 hp, powered by diesel and CNG (no loss of power allowed, CNG to be stored in the diesel tank itself and should magically appear when the switch is thrown), cost around 6-8 lakhs, should have the interiors of a tata aria at least and look like nothing else that exists in the universe. I mean should absolutely not look like a car that has been made before, similarities could be the presence of 2 headlamps, doors that open outwards, wheel arches and the rear windshield. The front grill should bear no resemblance to anything animate or inanimate that has a picture of itself on the interwebz in the last 200 years.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Singha » 29 Sep 2011 16:09

sooner or later I hope the back of the diesel car lobby is broken for good - perhaps by charging a one time road tax at purchase based on KMPL figure and est lifetime mileage of 100k km to arrive at how many LTRS of diesel it would consume over lifetime.
once a fat 3L or such bill is added to equalize with petrol cars, only the 20-30% better mileage of diesel will remain...not sure if thats true for city driving too.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Sep 2011 16:29

ManjaM wrote:
TBhp guys are still not impressed, they would ideally want something that is around 200 hp, powered by diesel and CNG (no loss of power allowed, CNG to be stored in the diesel tank itself and should magically appear when the switch is thrown), cost around 6-8 lakhs, should have the interiors of a tata aria at least and look like nothing else that exists in the universe. I mean should absolutely not look like a car that has been made before, similarities could be the presence of 2 headlamps, doors that open outwards, wheel arches and the rear windshield. The front grill should bear no resemblance to anything animate or inanimate that has a picture of itself on the interwebz in the last 200 years.


As Singha Saar had already stated, it is not possible to satisfy thier requirements unless all taxes are removed from cars and the Government starts subsidising them.

You forgot 3 main criteria which they would still want, Milage of 13KPL in City conditions, service costs under 2k a year and engine should rev 2000 rpm at 100K in 5th gear so it has a top speed of 180kph.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Sep 2011 16:30

Singha wrote:sooner or later I hope the back of the diesel car lobby is broken for good - perhaps by charging a one time road tax at purchase based on KMPL figure and est lifetime mileage of 100k km to arrive at how many LTRS of diesel it would consume over lifetime.
once a fat 3L or such bill is added to equalize with petrol cars, only the 20-30% better mileage of diesel will remain...not sure if thats true for city driving too.


Why would Polticos who drive BMW X5 and Audi Q7 do that. let the guy driving his TVS 50 pay for increase in Oil prices.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby ManjaM » 29 Sep 2011 16:43

^^ good point. but i think the subsidy of diesel personal vehicles is a side effect of the subsidy that was originally meant for trucks. A better way to subsidise would be to provide a subsidy card only to truck owners/drivers to tank up. I am sure that will set up a mini industry for trading of these subsidy cards.

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Postby Singha » 29 Sep 2011 20:28

heh heh tbhp and the search for the holy grail 4x4 and hatch-mki. the one last point would 16" tires - every true bhpian drives straight to the tire shop from the dealership on delivery to trade in the stock tires for better hoofs. that a v-cool sunfilm and a powerful ICE system.

typical vacation
- must be atleast 2000km round trip
- must start around 3am to get the jump on normal people who might start at 7am
- bundle the wife and kids in a blanket on the back seat and start driving
- soon speeding among the late night trucks and making good progress 300km out already
- at 7am wife wakes up and asks about food - spray her with sleeping gas bottle immediately and put her back to sleep - cover another 200km before food
- finally stop in a roadside tea shop for some food
- spend around 12 hrs at the final destination covering all points methodically before starting the drive back
- on way back from say vizag to chennai, suddenly decide to take a short detour via amaravathi, warangal, hyd, chittor, blr, krishnagiri and vellore to take in some pending sights
- meticulously log the mileage, times, road conditions in a book

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby nachiket » 29 Sep 2011 21:48

ManjaM wrote:^^ good point. but i think the subsidy of diesel personal vehicles is a side effect of the subsidy that was originally meant for trucks. A better way to subsidise would be to provide a subsidy card only to truck owners/drivers to tank up. I am sure that will set up a mini industry for trading of these subsidy cards.

Not just trucks. Tractors, generators, water pumps and other farm equipment as well. The subsidy was aimed to reduce costs in the agriculture and commercial transportation sector I suppose. Some manufacturers took advantage of that and offered diesel versions of their cars. Others are still sticking to their guns with petrol.

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Postby Dilbu » 29 Sep 2011 21:51

Singha wrote:typical vacation
- must be atleast 2000km round trip
- must start around 3am to get the jump on normal people who might start at 7am
- bundle the wife and kids in a blanket on the back seat and start driving
- soon speeding among the late night trucks and making good progress 300km out already
- at 7am wife wakes up and asks about food - spray her with sleeping gas bottle immediately and put her back to sleep - cover another 200km before food
- finally stop in a roadside tea shop for some food
- spend around 12 hrs at the final destination covering all points methodically before starting the drive back
- on way back from say vizag to chennai, suddenly decide to take a short detour via amaravathi, warangal, hyd, chittor, blr, krishnagiri and vellore to take in some pending sights
- meticulously log the mileage, times, road conditions in a book

:rotfl:

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Gus » 29 Sep 2011 23:23

Vasu wrote:You know about the history and the comparisons a lot more than I do, but with the passion for a Bullet that I see around me, and the way they are talked about by every owner i've met, I really thought they'd be a lot better in terms of quality than as you describe!


People who own bullets have to compensate for their unreliable vehicle by building up on other points ("passion").

I am neutral on bullets..had one recently when I was in India for a couple of months and had to sell it off because of constant problems reported. The Yamaha that I had before that for many years, was also left neglected when I moved to massa 9 yrs ago. Never had any problems. The first time I went back after 5 years...Yamaha started in one kick. I drove it to the bunk and changed oil and it was fine for the vacation.

The bullet - although the ride comfort was great and 'street cred' and all...gave me electrical problems, starting problems, oil leakages, heat issues etc.

I am torn about what to get when I R2I. I was planning on a Classic 500 with fond hopes of touring the country with a saddle bag of tent and cooking utensils. But I don't think I can tough it out if it goes all paki on me. Leaning more towards the Honda CBR500 and mod that to a tourer.

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Postby hnair » 30 Sep 2011 03:50

Singha wrote:heh heh tbhp and the search for the holy grail 4x4 and hatch-mki. the one last point would 16" tires - every true bhpian drives straight to the tire shop from the dealership on delivery to trade in the stock tires for better hoofs. that a v-cool sunfilm and a powerful ICE system.


:rotfl: I swear! Their forum membership questionnaire has some intimidating "essay" type questions. They would give the pakis a complex about bureness and raa-agint tests!

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Postby ManjaM » 30 Sep 2011 05:14

Gus wrote:
People who own bullets have to compensate for their unreliable vehicle by building up on other points ("passion").

I am neutral on bullets..had one recently when I was in India for a couple of months and had to sell it off because of constant problems reported. The Yamaha that I had before that for many years, was also left neglected when I moved to massa 9 yrs ago. Never had any problems. The first time I went back after 5 years...Yamaha started in one kick. I drove it to the bunk and changed oil and it was fine for the vacation.

The bullet - although the ride comfort was great and 'street cred' and all...gave me electrical problems, starting problems, oil leakages, heat issues etc.

I am torn about what to get when I R2I. I was planning on a Classic 500 with fond hopes of touring the country with a saddle bag of tent and cooking utensils. But I don't think I can tough it out if it goes all paki on me. Leaning more towards the Honda CBR500 and mod that to a tourer.

i find it quite amusing that people are now willing to pay over 1 lakh rupees for the bullet 350, 500 or its versions. It is definitely not worth the money at that price. I bought my used 92 model for 20k. seems like reliability and build has not improved much since 1992, so i guess i didnt miss much either.

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Postby Singha » 30 Sep 2011 09:08

even a good 250cc bike might be ok for Indic touring (CBR250) provided you install a touring seat and backrest. +ve being it can double up as a in-city bike also without the hassles of stop-go driving a heavy 750-1000cc beast.

Honda is starting work on a 1000cr motorcyle plant in Kolar karnataka now. should come online in a couple years.

http://www.honda2wheelersindia.com/cbr250r/index.html

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Vipul » 30 Sep 2011 21:36

Enfield is now planning to produce 750-800 cc Bikes.

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Postby ManjaM » 30 Sep 2011 21:50

^^ any linky? google throws up nothing.

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Postby krishnan » 30 Sep 2011 21:52

Vipul wrote:Enfield is now planning to produce 750-800 cc Bikes.


Already did , but not in numbers.

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Postby ManjaM » 30 Sep 2011 21:55

^^ are you talking of the interceptor? that was way way back. of course nothing much has changed at enfield since then, so i expect the same tools, jigs to be dusted off and reused.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby krishnan » 30 Sep 2011 21:58

Dunno how many will have the guts to ride a 1000CC bullet.
Lads,
I came across this rare photo of the ONLY Interceptor Mk3 800cc motorycle that RE ever completed. It's the only one.
Currently owned by Steve Linsdell in the UK.
Tested to be capable of 128mph.

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Postby ManjaM » 30 Sep 2011 22:06

http://www.bsmotoring.com/news/royal-en ... kes/4052/1

diesel enfield and 750cc twin are mentioned.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Sriman » 30 Sep 2011 23:10

Mahindra XUV walkaround:




It looks very nice to me, not sure what the fuss (about the looks) is about.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread

Postby Gaurav_S » 02 Oct 2011 15:47

^^Mahindra XUV500 is supposed to be launched in Australia too in next year or so. This will be in direct competition with Great Wall China utes.

BTW, this is what this minister Rajneet Surjewala from Haryana has to say about competition from Gujarat in auto

Q: How worried are you about Narendra Modi and Gujarat because they are trying to get all of the business that is currently in Haryana to move to Gujarat?

A: Not at all. Maruti is going there as a part of their own business plan to export cars. They are next to a port which is fair. I am nobody to decide upon Maruti’s business plan. But they are also making investment of Rs 10,000 crore in Haryana. Having said that some of the auto manufacturers also came to Haryana and we took a call to send them back to Gujarat. There was a reason for it.

Here is a state which gives land at rupee per acre, waives value added tax which is the principle main stay of running your state for 25 years. It waives all registration and local municipal taxes. What does the state of Gujarat gain? I asked that question to myself and I could not answer that. I am sure Modi would have an answer to that. At least the state of Haryana could not offer the kind of incentives.

Land is an extremely precious commodity. I run my state on Rs 8,000 crore of VAT that accrue to me. I run my state from the registration charges and local municipal corporation taxes. We cannot possible waive everything in our quest to build an individuals leadership
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