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Re: Indian Education System

Postby svenkat » 13 Sep 2017 20:55

csubash saar has a point.The comfort zone of TN students is being disturbed.

Beyond that,I think TN students will rise to the occassion.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 13 Sep 2017 21:00

Students will rise to the occasion and the meritorious will benefit. It's the ones whose sole claim to fame is money /political daddies that will loose out. Just see the number of colleges derecognized this year to get an idea of the rot

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby vina » 15 Sep 2017 15:42

deejay wrote:It was also widely accepted then that Tamil Nadu Matriculation Board was among the best boards in India.


The operative word is "WAS" . The Tamil Nadu Matriculation Board does NOT exist and HAS not existed for the past decade, after our Dear Leader, Dr. Artiste abolished that , along with the entrance exams (the Higher Secondary /CBSE marks were 50% and entrance 50% earlier) from what I remember.

Dr Artiste introduced "Sama Cheer Kalvi" i.e. "Equal Quality Education" (aka State Board only) . Trouble is it was not "Sama Cheer Kalvi", but rather "Shema KuttiCheer Kalvi" . The grade inflation was intentional and it became a comedy of sorts with everyone getting some eyepopping 99.9% marks (thanks to the fixed exam system which rewarded rote memorisation and regurgitation from the prescribed text book and not actually testing any learning).

Net result, there is no way to distinguish a poor, average , good and excellent student anymore. Net result, where everyone was declared "meritorious", the truly meritorious ran to CBSE schools all over TN. For e.g., even the school which I studied in when I was in TN,which was matric back then, has now a"CBSE" school and all my class mates children now study in the CBSE school and not the school in which they went to.

And thanks to this grade inflation , you have travesties like some 30 students from the cram school in Namakkal get into Shriram College of Commerce Delhi in one year (that is an incredibly difficult college to get into).

Now you put them into NEET and actually make them use their brains, it is a disaster. And mind you, the lowest admitted elgibility in NEET is a paltry 140 marks out of some 860 or something! Speaks volumes about the atrocity that the TN high school education was reduced to in the last 10 years.

The bottom has been plumbed. Now the thing to do is fix this "Sama Cheer Kalvi" nonsense, make the kids start using their brains and actually learn something , instead of a "Madrassa" like rote learning and regurgitating , where instead of the Koran/Bible/Whatever, it is some verbose descriptive stuff in Physics , Chemistry, Math and Biology (other than Math, where the same problems with same numerics as text book appear, you probably don't need to solve any problem at all in Physics and Chemistry).

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby csaurabh » 15 Sep 2017 16:24

As per my understanding of ground situation in TN and Kerala, all kids were given 100% marks in school exams regardless of their performance. Maybe some of the really poor ones got 90%. This has been going on for a few years now.

Understandably this doesn't work out too well at the national level..

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 15 Sep 2017 18:45

Now you can understaand why in the long run NEET is agood thing for them.
Have you seen the number of colleges whicj have been deregistered across India and the number that have gfot deregistered in Pondicherry and Tamil Naadu ?
With NEET counselling suddenly a huge number of colleges have got no or inadequate admissions now which were filled previously by money owning duffers. Suddenly there are no takers -Why is this.The market forces ahve now been overcome by merit forces and the truth is comi ng out bnow. For the meritorious students NEET is the best thing to happen to them as they can now get a fair chance compared to admissions based on Pappa's monetary and political strength

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Theo_Fidel » 17 Sep 2017 23:22

Gus wrote:The pressure on these kids to score is unbelievable. I was shocked when I had to watch closely what some of my niece and nephews have to go through now that they are hitting the 12th grade. I also have two cousins teaching 12th - one for private school and one for govt school. NONE of the govt school student make it to these colleges. And the private school teacher is a poor tortured soul. She had to spend more time than the kids at the school - meaning 12 hr days and no weekends as tests are conducted in weekends as well.


This.

People go on about how students are terrible these days and everyone is given a centum. Yet these same kids staff all the world class companies that operate in TN or Bengluru, Hderabad, etc and produce world class product. Very few issues. Elite kids never stay in India or even in technical fields. Sometime back there was a discussion that he highest paying job coming out of IIT is to become a IIT exam coach. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Back in the day no multinational would come to do anything in India and all these elite students ran away as fast as possible. If we have made any progress it was because this sort of paternalistic limitations were removed.

India needs very few elite type students or for that matter meritocratic type students. We don't do much high end research or production. What need are minimally qualified doctors/engineers willing to work for Rs10,000 pm get down to the tiny health clinic out in panruti. These are the vast majority of jobs out there.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Schmidt » 18 Sep 2017 09:38

Theo_Fidel wrote:
Gus wrote:India needs very few elite type students or for that matter meritocratic type students. We don't do much high end research or production. What need are minimally qualified doctors/engineers willing to work for Rs10,000 pm get down to the tiny health clinic out in panruti. These are the vast majority of jobs out there.


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Can't believe the absolute tripe being spewed here

So basically we need an army of low skilled low paid medical coolies acc to this poster

For 10k pm ???

I pay my maid 9k a month for 5 hours of work. Drivers are getting 15-18k below which you won't get any one to work for you

And we want docs / engrs to work for 10k ?

Which world are you living in ?

A nurse / care giver is asking for 20k pm for 8 hrs to take care of elderly people

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 18 Sep 2017 09:56

Doctors for 10,000 per month. Do you know that PHD jobs are lying empty for want of takers even at enhanced incentive. Today a Group D worker un Govt service gets much more than what you quote. I cannot believe the tripe that us being spewed.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 18 Sep 2017 09:59

The reason most don't join is because of lack of infrastructure in rural areas and good educational facilities for children. Sort those out and people will take those jobs

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Gus » 18 Sep 2017 19:35

Problem is, without looking at history, current issues, agendas at work etc ..Theo just likes to throw some ideas as sarvaroga nivaarani.

the idea that "let them all become engineers, and let the market sort them out"...sounds good in theory, but has led to the current issue of lots of engineers in the bottom who paid too much as fees, did not get an education that suits the marketplace and were unemployable, and then ended up wasting a few years looking around and job hopping at crappy jobs etc, becoming depressed and stuff.

The idea that "why should students be forced to take YET ANOTHER GODDAMN exam in the form of NEET" - sounds good in theory, but in practice - what is going on in the 12th education is evident for anybody who observes students in their 11th and 12th. These people are also forced into depressive cycles, chasing that centum because every single mark can be a huge difference in getting to that coveted subsidized college.

Ideally, we should do away with subsidizing colleges wholesale and politicians distributing the pie - and move to a mechanism of aids, grants, zero/low percent govt loans etc for deserving students who scored admissions but cannot pay for fees. But that will never take on as it will be portrayed as against sammoga neethi and the party that says that will be killed in elections.

the money that goes into subsidizing these elite colleges, should instead be put in govt primary and secondary schools - and let the student decide what path to take, be it the STEM stream, or ITI stream for blue collar work, or arts and humanities or pure sciences etc...whatever they have the aptitude and desire for.

But currently, NO party can take on this and survive an election.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Gus » 23 Sep 2017 01:05

The gaming of 12th marks is so extensive that it is mindboggling

basically, there's a effing blueprint in the sections on how many questions and what weightage from different sections

note that long answers/essay questions - there's a choice of 2/4.

this allows schools to skip an entire section and instead make students practice questions in one section. for ex, physiology can be completely skipped for long answers

and when these "toppers" are asked questions from those sections and the sections they skipped in 11th portions in NEET they get a big fat zero and this is against samooga neethi.

http://www.rejinpaul.com/2013/08/12th-b ... ology.html
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Re: Indian Education System

Postby svenkat » 24 Sep 2017 16:43

Gus wrote:
Ideally, we should do away with subsidizing colleges wholesale and politicians distributing the pie - and move to a mechanism of aids, grants, zero/low percent govt loans etc for deserving students who scored admissions but cannot pay for fees. But that will never take on as it will be portrayed as against sammoga neethi and the party that says that will be killed in elections.

the money that goes into subsidizing these elite colleges, should instead be put in govt primary and secondary schools - and let the student decide what path to take, be it the STEM stream, or ITI stream for blue collar work, or arts and humanities or pure sciences etc...whatever they have the aptitude and desire for.

But currently, NO party can take on this and survive an election.


agree 100%.


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