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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Lilo » 17 Jan 2019 17:46

...According to AICTE chairman Anil Sahasrabuddhe, a majority of its recognised private institutes provide reservation for students as directed by the state they are located in.

“With the exception of Rajasthan and West Bengal, almost all state governments make it mandatory for technical institutes and colleges to provide reservation for SC, ST and OBC students,” Sahasrabuddhe told The Indian Express.

https://indianexpress.com/article/educa ... t-5540307/
Education is in Concurrent list where the central law has precedence over state laws

25. Education, including technical education, medical education and universities, subject to the provisions of Entries 63, 64, 65 and 66 of List I; vocational and technical training of labour.
26. Legal, medical and other professions.
93rd Constitutional amendment of 2006 by UPA1 already specifies reservation to be applicable to all private higher institutions - aided or unaided while specifically excluding mainority institutions from the reservation as per the provisions of our mainority pasand Constitution.
Based on above amendment already majority of private institutions have been offering such reservations based on the respective state laws mandating the same.
Now the central govt is going to pass a law which will subsume all such state level reservation laws under a single law where reservations(SC/ST & OBC & EWS) are made uniformly applicable to all pvt institutions.
Nihat wrote:Just how shameless can this government be. Things are even more disappointing when the expectation was so much more
What is shameless is that such a maniority pasand constitution has been foisted on Indians for 65 years, in what should actually have been a truly secular State called India.
The SC's mainority pasand interpretation of already a mainority pasand Constitution in the end has resulted in far ranging mainority exemptions in field of education & law as seen in RTE and reservation laws as above.Wonder which govt will have both the motivation and power(i.e numbers to amend constitution and to rein in the mainority pasand selfappointing SC judges) to set right these mainority pasand aberrations on a secular state ?
Reservation in minority colleges: SC rejects govt plea, MU to resume admissions today
Published: July 14, 2018

The Supreme Court on Friday dismissed a special leave petition filed by the state government against a Bombay High Court ruling that said minority colleges would not have reservations for backward category students.

The Supreme Court on Friday dismissed a special leave petition filed by the state government against a Bombay High Court ruling that said minority colleges would not have reservations for backward category students. The university will declare the third merit list on July 18. The Supreme Court upheld the ruling of the Bombay High Court and held that it has dismissed similar petitions based on the constitutional amendment of 2005.
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This year, the university changed its admission process and eliminated reservations for backward category students in accordance with a Bombay High Court order. The court had, in November 2017, ordered that minority colleges, which have a 50 per cent reservation for students belonging to a minority community, would not have reservations for SC/ ST and OBC category students.

The order referred to a 2005 constitutional amendment that exempts minority institutions from reservations. According to Article 15(5) of the Constitution of India, minority institutions under Article 30 shall be exempt from constitutional reservations — an amendment inserted by the then Congress government. Following protests by student groups, the state government filed a special leave petition before the Supreme Court. The petition came up for hearing on Friday but was dismissed.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 19 Jan 2019 20:20

JEE entrance Paper 1 results now declared online by NTA (National Testing Agency).

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/jee-main- ... or-paper-1

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 23 Jan 2019 20:44

Govt considering reservations in minority educational institutions. Should move another constitutional amendment IMO.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 645442.cms

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Prasad » 24 Jan 2019 00:44

Cant do it without much crying. The new act specifically excludes minority institutions. If they wanted, they should not have included it in the first place.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 24 Feb 2019 13:15

New pvt university with tech focus being set up by IIT alumni.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... s?from=mdr


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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Vayutuvan » 19 May 2019 01:49

The following might be of interest to students preparing for IIT JEE.

Study aids for JEE

By Welina Farah, MIT Open Learning

This month, students across India are prepping for the Joint Entrance Exam (JEE), a two-part rigorous and thorough national-level standardized test for future engineers.

Twice a year, these test takers hope to do well enough to be accepted into top-tier undergraduate engineering programs at elite institutes across India. These institutes include the Indian Institutes of Technology (IIT), National Institutes of Technology (NIT), Indian Institute of Information Technology (IIIT), and various other Centrally Funded Technical Institutions (CFTIs) across the country.

The first round of exams (JEE Main) took place from April 7 to April 12, 2019. Students that passed the first round move on to the second round, (JEE Advanced) taking place on May 27, 2019.

At OpenCourseWare, we have two resources available for those studying for the JEE: a series of videos on the “Highlights for High School” website titled “IIT Joint Entrance Exam Preparation” and a quick blurb on the exams themselves.

These videos came to the OCW page in a great way, stemming from “somebody who knew somebody” and blooming into a much-used and vital resource.

The Senior Educational Technology Consultant at MITx Residential built a lightboard (also known as a learning board). At the time, the technology consultant was helping then-grad student Ankur Gupta to use the lightboard to make the videos, as you may have guessed, hosted on the OCW site.

Gupta decided to continue making these videos as a side project.

There are many more videos on their YouTube page, but putting them on OCW’s YouTube page helped amplify their efforts.

The 9 videos hosted by OCW and created by Gupta have been viewed over 66,000 ...

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Lilo » 25 May 2019 20:11

Modi govt will finally announce New Education Policy by 31 May
The New Education Policy was one of Modi’s poll promises in 2014. Now, the govt wants to get it out for public feedback by May, and through cabinet by July.
KRITIKA SHARMA Updated: 24 May, 2019 6:31 pm IST


New Delhi: The wait for a New Education Policy (NEP) might finally be over, with Narendra Modi’s incoming government planning to release it by the end of May.

The policy is one of the major decisions that the new government has planned for its first 100 days in the education sector. Even before the results had been announced, all the ministries had been asked to prepare a roadmap of what they plan to do within the first 100 days of the new government.

Confirming the development, a senior official in the Ministry of Human Resource Development told ThePrint: “The New Education Policy will be first handed over to the new HRD minister, and then we will put it up on the website by 31 May.”

After a round of public feedback, the policy will finally be presented to the cabinet in July for approval.

Modi had promised it in 2014
The NEP was one of the biggest promises of Modi and the BJP before coming to power in 2014, and that’s why the government wants to release it as soon as it starts its second innings, sources said.

Although the official quoted above refused to divulge details on what the policy contains, he said the major focus is on improvement of quality of education, curriculum, bringing in new technology, and changing the pedagogy.

In the previous term, the NEP had been delayed by almost four years, going through two committees, which got many deadline extensions to submit their reports.

EQUIP
Apart from the NEP, another big thing the government has planned is an overhaul of higher education by bringing in a programme called EQUIP, or Education Quality Improvement Programme. This aims to improve quality and make education accessible — it is planned to be to higher education what the Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan was to school education.

According to officials in the ministry, EQUIP is one of the biggest programmes in the education sector and will prove to be a game-changer. Under EQUIP, the ministry plans to work on education under 10 different broad areas, including accessibility, accreditation, employment, research and finance.

Among other things that the ministry plans to improve is the teacher recruitment process for colleges and universities.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby siqir » 27 May 2019 11:32

re language policy in education and debates like this one

https://mobile.twitter.com/RajivMessage ... 8047078400

sanskrit is not a prakrit and there is no need to try make it a prakrit

there is a dichotomy in education between memorization and understanding
you can memorize only a little but understanding requires a lot of explanation
sanskrit was contructed to be highly memorizable for succinct statements in sutra or shloka format
prakrits evolved for conversability and understandability so they are great for explanations

using one for the other will not work
this probably started with some people trying to be clever and writing the commentaries for shastras also in sanskrit which is just ridiculous

so all our textbooks should be in our prakrit ie mother tongues but the key points of each lesson whatever the subject even science and math should be succinct recitable memorizable sanskrit

sanskrit is also great at generating words meaningful down to root syllables so all terminology that does not exist in a prakrit should refer to sanskrit for commonality with other prakrits

other languages people can learn on their own dime or on the internet
government need not bother

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Lilo » 27 May 2019 19:34

News from Jan 2019
HRD Ministry approves Bharatiya Shiksha Board, paving way for Vedic and modern studies
By: FE Online New Delhi | January 12, 2019 12:42:36 PM

In a bid to open the country’s first national school board for Vedic education, the Maharshi Sandipani Rashtriya Vedavidya Pratishthan (MSRVP) – an autonomous body falls under the Human Resource Development Ministry, is working to promote ‘ved vidya’. The ministry has given its approval for the setting of Bhartiya Shiksha Board (BSB). The decision took place in a meeting of the governing council of the MSRVP and HRD Minister Prakash Javadekar in the national capital on Friday. According to The Indian Express, MoS for Law and Justice PP Chaudhary was also present at the meeting.

The ministry has allotted a week’s time to board for the preparation of board’s bylaws. As per IE, the board is likely to perform duties like other school boards, such as making the curriculum, conduct examination and certificates. Once it is fully established, the organisations such as Acharyakulam, Vidya Bharati schools, gurukuls will be benefited.

The decision to set up separate board was first taken by HRD Ministry in May 2016, when Smriti Irani was the minister. The decision was approved even the HRD Ministry refused to grant permission to a similar proposal moved by Yoga Guru Baba Ramdev in 2015.

According to a report by The Indian Express on March 22, 2016, the proposal was submitted by Haridwar- based VERI (Vedic Education Research Institute). The education institute is run by Baba Ramdev’s Patanjali Yogpeeth. As per the proposal, there will be a Vedic Education Board which will be controlled by VERI. It will allow mixing of both traditional gurukul system and modern syllabus. However, the plan was red- flagged by the then Secretary of School education SC Khuntia citing that state’s approval for a private board might open doors from unrecognised school boards. But the ministry had silently put into action a plan to set up own boards for Vedic schools.



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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Lilo » 31 May 2019 22:01

Karthik S wrote:National Education Policy link:

https://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/ ... 019_EN.pdf

The Secondary Stage will comprise four years of multidisciplinary study,
and will build on the subject-oriented pedagogical and curricular style
of the Middle stage, but with greater depth, greater critical thinking,
greater attention to life aspirations, and greater flexibility and student
choice. Each year of the Secondary Stage will be divided into 2 semesters,
for a total of 8 semesters. Each student would take 5 to 6 subjects each
semester.
There will be some essential common subjects for all, while
simultaneously there will be a great flexibility in selecting elective courses
(including in the arts, vocational subjects, and physical education) so
that all students can expand their horizons as they see fit and explore their
individual interests and talents. A system of modular Board Examinations
- restructured to test only core concepts, principles, critical thinking,
and other higher-order skills in each subject
- will help to pin down the
common courses, while great flexibility will be offered for remaining
courses (see P4.9.5). The notions of “higher secondary” or “junior college”
will be eliminated; Grades 11 and 12 will be considered an integral part of the
secondary stage
.

All stages will heavily incorporate Indian and local traditions, as well as ethical
reasoning, socio-emotional learning, quantitative and logical reasoning,
computational thinking and digital literacy, scientific temper, languages, and
communication skills, in a manner that is developmentally appropriate and in
the curricular/pedagogical style that is optimal for each stage.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Amber G. » 01 Jun 2019 04:50

^^^ Thanks for posting .. I see pretty impressive names - those who have created it. As I read, I have pretty positive reaction.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby siqir » 01 Jun 2019 09:55

did a quick ctrl f for sanskrit mentions and my opinion is

close but no cigar

anyway i sent them a mail saying ten years on internet would be better than ten years going through such education

i think now vedic board is only real hope of indian innovation in education these western colonial system guys are too stuck in their ways

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby rgosain » 01 Jun 2019 14:00

siqir wrote:did a quick ctrl f for sanskrit mentions and my opinion is

close but no cigar

anyway i sent them a mail saying ten years on internet would be better than ten years going through such education

i think now vedic board is only real hope of indian innovation in education these western colonial system guys are too stuck in their ways


Continuing education for mature students especially those involved in technical vocational employment. The requirement for technicians is massive in manufacturing and production

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Lilo » 01 Jun 2019 22:35

Local language will be enhanced with the reading and analysis of uplifting literature from the Indian subcontinent, ancient to modern.. every student will take a course on “the languages of India” and “Learn about the remarkable unity of most of the major Indian languages” 8/n

https://twitter.com/amitsurg/status/1134760979479187457


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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Amber G. » 01 Jun 2019 23:32

^^^ Thanks for posting this.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 02 Jun 2019 21:26

There is needless controversy about third language in NEP in TN. Third language will help national integration but should not only be Hindi. It can be any language from the scheduled languages. Otherwise a good policy will have accusations of Hindi imposition.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby A Nandy » 04 Jun 2019 12:00

Draft National Education Policy 2019 (Revised) - (7.66 MB): https://mhrd.gov.in/relevant-documents

https://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/ ... evised.pdf

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 626159.cms
Govt may 'EQUIP' students with direct fee transfers
Modi govt is planning to replace fee subsidy across top institutes with direct transfers to students.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby A Nandy » 04 Jun 2019 12:09

Supratik wrote:There is needless controversy about third language in NEP in TN. Third language will help national integration but should not only be Hindi. It can be any language from the scheduled languages. Otherwise a good policy will have accusations of Hindi imposition.


I am not sure why its not made as by choice. Those who think they will need it for travelling to other parts of India for business or leisure can choose it, the rest can ignore it. More importantly there is no need to give the TN politicians unnecessary opportunities to divert Tamilians from the real issue - water. As it is Polavaram and its linkages are stuck for decades and there is no unity among the Southern states to see it complete.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 04 Jun 2019 18:44

The third language should be there for national integration purposes but it should be left to the school to decide which third languages they want to teach. It should not be Hindi alone but can be any of the scheduled languages. The choice to select one of the third language in a particular school should be left to the student and the parent. Most schools won't be able to afford teaching more than 2-3 third languages as they would need to pay for staff and infra. If a Tamil wants to learn Kannada that should be fine. This will keep DMK types from creating trouble and will be more acceptable to all.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Karmasura » 04 Jun 2019 19:37

Yogi in UP to end reservation for SC, ST, OBC candidates in private medical colleges

https://is.gd/L4pOuL

The Yogi Adityanath-led Uttar Pradesh government made an announcement saying caste-based reservations in private medical and dental colleges of Uttar Pradesh will cease to exist. The decision to scrap caste-based reservations was taken by the outgoing Akhilesh Yadav-led Uttar Pradesh government but is now being implemented by the Yogi Adityanath-led BJP government.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby sarathy » 04 Jun 2019 20:14

Supratik wrote:The third language should be there for national integration purposes but it should be left to the school to decide which third languages they want to teach. It should not be Hindi alone but can be any of the scheduled languages. The choice to select one of the third language in a particular school should be left to the student and the parent. Most schools won't be able to afford teaching more than 2-3 third languages as they would need to pay for staff and infra. If a Tamil wants to learn Kannada that should be fine. This will keep DMK types from creating trouble and will be more acceptable to all.


Couldn't agree more on this point. It has created unnecessary debate and trolling. Overall leading to more division than integration. I speak reasonably good Hindi and have heard people saying they suffer when they travel to north India because they don't know Hindi (due to political choices). People should be free to learn a 3rd language of choice. This combined with the knowledge that somewhere fellow Indians of a different tongue are learning one's own language will help integration and keep our languages alive.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 20 Sep 2019 20:41

It seems finally the govt will allow reputed foreign universities to open campuses in India. Should have been done long time back.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Oct 2019 06:17

Supratikji, I disagree. This is a step in the wrong direction.

Meanwhile, "Thinking outside the box" becomes more difficult in Indian exams.

The picture shown is really incredible.

In a bizarre incident, students at a private college in Karnataka were made to wear cartons during an exam to stop them from cheating.

The pictures of students of Bhagat Pre-University College in Haveri, about 330 km from Bengaluru, are being widely circulated on social media where they are seen sitting in a classroom, wearing cardboard boxes.

The students were writing papers as part of their mid-term exams. Invigilators can also be seen in the visuals, monitoring the students.

The institute has drawn criticism on social media with many questioning if the measure could really be a deterrent.
On Friday, Karnataka Education Minister S Suresh Kumar reacted to the media reports, saying that the incident was "totally unacceptable". "This is totally unacceptable. Nobody has any right to treat anybody more so students like animals. This pervertion will be dealt with aptly," he tweeted.

Many on social media echoed the views of the state education minister. "This is ridiculous and humiliating for the students. Yes, cheating is a problem, but this is not the way to solve it. Whoever approved this should be reprimanded," wrote a user.

Justifying the action, College head MB Satish told reporters that a college in Bihar had used a similar method to curb cheating during exams and was widely appreciated on social media.


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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Atmavik » 22 Oct 2019 02:43

Supratik wrote:It seems finally the govt will allow reputed foreign universities to open campuses in India. Should have been done long time back.


Yak herder sahib here is ur chance....

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Vips » 22 Oct 2019 03:30

Government plans 1 national test for university admissions.

The New Education Policy is set to propose a single test of subject-specific aptitude for admission to colleges and universities across the country, to be conducted by the National Testing Agency (NTA), human resource development minister Ramesh Pokhriyal said.

NEP-2020 is likely to suggest an aptitude test and tests in specific subjects that can be taken multiple times in a year. The minister said analysis of over 2 lakh suggestions had been completed and “we will be soon ready with the final NEP (2020) draft”. TOI had reported on the plan for a common entrance test for colleges on June 17, 2019.

“We are at the final stage of finalising the new policy. We set up an office in Bangalore to analyse suggestions for higher education, while for school education, a committee under CBSE chief Anita Karwal finalised the report. Five days ago, I met education secretaries and a CBSE team with the analysis,” Pokhriyal told TOI.

‘Common test expected to reduce burden on students’

I am hopeful of a progressive and completely India-centric education policy. We will announce it soon after getting the nod from the Prime Minister,” HRD minister Pokhriyal told TOI. At present, an aspirant has to sit for multiple entrance tests or register multiple times for admission to colleges and universities.

He said apart from reducing the burden on aspirants, the common tests are also expected to help the universities and colleges. “This is very much a part of NEP. When it is part of the policy, it is important to implement it in the right spirit,” he added. The minister said success of the common modular entrance test will lie with the top universities. “They need to come forward on a mission mode to make this a success.”

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby UlanBatori » 22 Oct 2019 04:17

The New Education Policy is set to propose a single test of subject-specific aptitude for admission to colleges and universities across the country, to be conducted by the National Testing Agency (NTA)

Aiyyoooooo!!! Now they will be "training" kids for that from age 0.3, and then hiring acrobats to deliver the answers via the windows. Good thing Indian exam centres do not have central a/c or heating, or there will be many deaths of Exam Facilitators stuck in ventilator shafts, herrowically delivering answers.

Atmavikji, we have nooooo interest (any more) in phoren caallage coming to desh. The idea of getting a "London BA" etc is over in the early 20th century. I have never understood this: if you are, say, enrolled in Hahvahd( usa village campus niyar Matunga) who do you cheer for at the soccer games? This is extremely confusing. It also perpetuates (try uprooting these invasive species, they will be harder than kudzu!) the sell-out to phoren.

I am dead set against this. Every nation should have their own brand of education. India esp. has absolutely no need for phoren colleges. It will not improve Indian education. As it happens, American "higher" education is accelerating down the slope to match the worst aspects of Indian "education". Look at the admission-for-sale scams, the reservation scams. They are rapidly converting the teaching profession into the same as the restaurant waiter profession (honorable if one is a restaurant waiter, not if one is supposed to be an educator), with "effectiveness" measured strictly by the lack of complaints from the whiniest ninnies who do no work. Teaching is being reduced to the level where it can be totally automated - at which point, why would u pay Rs. 30 lakh per semester to get 13 hours of courses that are exactly the same as what you can get for Rs. 5000 on the Internet?

IOW, Hahvahd at usa niyar Matunga will pay its "professors" peanuts compared to what is paid to Hahvahd (Cambridge, USA) professors. The courses in Cambridge will be mostly graded by peanut-paid assistants, while courses in India will be paid by peanut-paid "professors" who are paid less in peanuts than the TAs at Cambridge. All will be automated.

This is why American universities are scrambling to plant root in India - to grab fees from the rich and powerful, who will then argue that THEIR brat's diploma is worth >>>>> diploma of a desh kid who studies at a real college with real courses and has the scars to show for it. Over the longer term there is no real bijnej case to pay big $$ for the same low quality as you can get from the Internet for peanuts.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Oct 2019 16:27

i have another viewpoint on this UBji...seeing the cost of university education in US & UK it makes a lot of economic sense to come to India, experience the culture in a political system which is not at odds with bestern system ...the environment in good colleges is free of guns, much lower on drugs and hex (hamare desh ki ladkiyan reference from prem agan, These will not be USP for the kids btw). Net net it makes sense for the era of Nalanda (IT: Ignoble taxing) and taxila (for IT: Int'l terrorism) to return where kids looking for proper education system to come to India and US folks can focus on their MOOCs

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Postby UlanBatori » 22 Oct 2019 17:58

^^ That is all fine, but it does not need Appu and Ayesha enrolling at U. Arkansas (Chenkottaih campus) and paying the fees for a U. Arkansas degree, which will be steep.

Decades ago this may have made sense because the U.A. degree was "ABET-Accredited" (if in engg) and some equivalent scams in other lines of pedagogy. So that degree from an American U was essential, to get a high-paying jaab in Yoo Ess. They didn't "recognize" degrees from desh.

But today most Indian engg colleges including the absolute scam-dumps that don't even have a pakistan, have "ABET-equivalent" accreditation. Accreditation no longer consists of an actual audit of reality by nitpicky oiseaules who could cut off your accreditation saying:
You allowed 1 ishtudant to graduate when she was really short 0.25 hours in Yak-Fodder Digestion

It now consists of an audit of responses to questions like :
I FEEL expert in astropissiks.

And ensuring that >97.5% of the 15% of the graduating class who could figure out how to get their thumbs our of their musharrafs and open that website, ticked "STRONGLY AGREE!" {u can c the effects at certain Internet fora, no names pls}

These are small changes from an outsider's point of view, just as the cracks along the mountain ridge after 2 weeks of incessant rain are really tiny and insignificant and invisible when viewed from 100 meters downhill.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby UlanBatori » 22 Oct 2019 18:20

Second point from above: What is the case for a brick&mortar residential college or university for UGs? Not grads, that is different because of the need for some hardware research facilities - and really, group dynamics to meet "impossible" challenges that require very nonlinear mental processes. THAT part is classic Gurukula, maybe Nalanda and Tax-Rock had it.

IMO the Indian model is Pay Capitation bribe to get in. Pay fees. Go sit in class once in a while. Mug for exams, and either pass them on one's own or outsource that to professionals. Get degree.

US model in most 2-year colleges (Type B universities IIRC) was the same. It has gone mostly broke except for the places set up for the really very rich with really really stupid brats who could not make it in any public u.

US model in the exotic private universities and the larger public universities was to hire ppl who could win research projects (or Stab-in-the-Back Foundation Grants from cretins, in the case of Liberal Arts like described in Malhotra's BS: Battle 4 Sanskrit). The overhead on those, more than paid for the real costs. Then fleece high fees from The Wealthy/Middle Class, and use some of that to actually recruit some smart students to build the reputation for excellence. Make them work harder than anyone else could imagine.

The business case was that then one had the opportunity to learn from ppl who spent half their time or more struggling with real problems, living day and night struggling to understand and explain hard things from many perspectives, and hence HAD to have some competence and standards. Set this into a competitive mode (student excellence and grasp of the basics, and ability to handle slave labor, translated to advances in research, and publications, which translated to wins in the hyper-competitive world of research grants). Hire Admins who were total oiseueles who would be in the Hitler Jugend or KKK if they could pass the IQ test, and let them put the researcher-faculty through the dog-eat-dog grind of Reappointment, Promotion, Tenure, Post-Tenure, Harassment etc. Keep their noses to the grindstone until they fell over and retired at age 87 - and fell dead the next week from sheer shock, thus saving any cost to the Retirement System.

But now bring in the Indian Cash-4-Diploma bijnej model into the US system, and u get courses taught by poorly-paid, no-security, slave "adjunct faculty" who replaced the Grad Assistants who at least had the research motivation and some hopes of recognition to drive excellence. The adjuncts are robot teachers, living on the eager expectation of being hired to teach next semester. Totally slaves like restaurant-waiters, to the whims of the rich brats.

How are you going to advance Higher Ejjikashun with this? More to the point, what is the difference between this and having courses totally automated? Can it be any better in principle? The advantage in the latter, if one harks back to our AI discussions, is that the course can be "delivered", if one so chooses, by, say, Hasina Atim Bum. Can YOU beat that, hain? Every iteration, the Hasina-delivered course will get a little bit better. Can any human "adjunct" do better?

This is why I say that this model is doomed. Which is why they are all rushing to India to get the idiots to buy into this great ENRON stock. Beautiful timing too!

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby UlanBatori » 23 Oct 2019 00:30

OT for this thread, sorry, but very On-Topic for Indian education. 80% of this case is posturing because they have snagged some hi-profile TV / filmy types. I don't know WHY these parents went to all this trouble when they could have bought a college for themselves along with the degrees.

two counts of substantive federal programs bribery in connection with efforts to use bribes to get his children into Harvard University and Stanford University.
"conspiring to commit mail and wire fraud, and honest services mail and wire fraud, in connection with the previously charged scheme to accept bribes and engage in other forms of fraud to facilitate cheating on standardized admissions tests and to secure the admission of students to elite universities by designating them as purported athletic recruits or members of other favored admissions categories"

"conspiring to commit federal programs bribery by soliciting and accepting bribes to facilitate the admission of students to the universities where they worked: Georgetown University, the University of Southern California, and The University of California – Los Angeles."

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Oct 2019 07:00

Here u go... these are sort-of play/ time-pass for most ppl right now, but serious, determined people can really get a lot out of them. There are similar ones I think in Mgmt/Econ and engineering.
But that is because the field is still exploring, to solve some big remaining problems. Soon with AI etc there will be breakthroughs. It won't be perfect, but it can be a heck of lot better than 99% of human-taught "live" courses are today.

They haven't taken the huge obvious step. In time, instead of Prof. Bubba Bin Baboonistan jumping up and down trying to entertain Brat-bin- Attitudi, making different mistakes each day, it will be trained, talented actors doing it. Imagine taking Math 2503 from Hasina Atimubum!

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby csaurabh » 24 Oct 2019 09:41

Teaching will be automated very soon. Forget about tier3, even IITs can't compete with actual professionals in their field teaching online.
The only usefulness of the IIT system is networking, credentialing and branding ( No one goes there for 'education' ). Once the credentialing system can be replicated online (maybe not that easy), 99% of the academia will become useless.

The next step will be to rework the academia into being entrepreneurship centres where people actually come there to build things ( import based model ), rather than the current export based model which gives 'degrees' to students so that they can go somewhere else.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Oct 2019 07:53

How do 17-22 year olds actually learn any good stuff - and the hard discipline that is what actually keeps most of us going later in life when the limbs ache, the eyes don't focus, etc? Everything seems possible when one is 20, but not when one is 50 or 60. The lessons learned in college become extremely important.

This is what I have not figured out. Automating the course content is child's play. The "networking" value of campuses should not be underestimated. At least they are places to meet compatible mates in settings that both understand. You can't build that understanding by just texting or tweeting. More importantly campuses are places to meet a vast array of role/character models, good and bad, along with a huge library of life experiences in a short time.

But most of the intensity of college is generated (unless one is in the athletics dept) by the courses. And **THAT** is the real value. It is experience along with content-learning. Maybe it can be done another way, with content mastery coming in some other way.

Put another way: Suppose one does not have to go to physical college campuses at all. What would be alternative uses for that time, that deliver more value? And extending that logic, can it be implemented in high school? Middle school?

Imagine the value to the GDP if people could spend most of the years 12 - 22 doing useful work rather than with butt glued to bench in classrooms? Long ago they needed ppl in this age group to do farming and fighting. This bijnej of full-time schooling is a recent luxury. Think about it! Billions of people immobilized for 2000 hours each year between ages 12 and 22, in "education". WTH for?

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Amber G. » 02 Nov 2019 08:09

The IITKanpur is to set up a Center for Engineering in Medicine. The centre will be established in association with the US-based Mehta Family Foundation.
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