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Postby member_28108 » 11 May 2016 23:15

You must realize for many politicians it is the last chance to make a killing profit by booking duffards and dullards at a premium !!

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Postby csaurabh » 12 May 2016 07:14

http://www.theweek.in/news/india/doctor ... ector.html

This is what happens when medical colleges charge lakhs and crores for 'seats'. The passouts of the system will naturally claim hafta-wasooli.

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Postby vera_k » 12 May 2016 07:37

^^
No, that is what happens when the government abdicates its responsibility to fund medical education by setting up appropriate number of colleges. Even then if there are limited checks and balances, doctors will find a way to loot. Check out what happens in the USA.

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Postby Singha » 12 May 2016 08:09

medical sector seems to have long been been conceded by state govts to educational trusts backed by political interests to make and launder money also probably. but the truth is medicine is much more of a tournament than engineering. tournament in the sense 80% of the money is earned by the 10% at the top of food chain/lucky/seed funded with family wealth into some lucrative domain like a big diagnostic lab.

engineering is almost socialist in comparison...and socialist working hours also. but times are changing with devops, continuous deployment and developers having to own and support the live deployment also 24x7 in turns. facebook engineers have a few weeks every year of on-call duty i read.

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Postby member_28108 » 12 May 2016 23:17

This rot is very much true. The only place where you can choose to be honest is in academic practice.Even there there is a lot of humbug possible.

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Postby gakakkad » 13 May 2016 03:26

one of the reason for the rot is the chor-porate system..how can non medicos be the boss for docs? however the article is a blatant exaggeration ..imo if docs remain in charge healthcare will be okay..moment insurance and other chor-porate entity takes over all hell will break loose...

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Postby gakakkad » 13 May 2016 03:27

vera_k wrote:^^
No, that is what happens when the government abdicates its responsibility to fund medical education by setting up appropriate number of colleges. Even then if there are limited checks and balances, doctors will find a way to loot. Check out what happens in the USA.



most docs don't loot..neither in India nor the US...The main culprit for the US loots are the MBAs and the insurers and the hospitals...

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Postby Singha » 13 May 2016 06:18

many docs are under pressure by hospital managers to fill a certain quota of inpatient admissions and diagnostic tests. inpatient is quite lucrative I think with good profit margin for the hospital as only the docs consultation fees goes to doc, rest of it remains inhouse and everything down to a band aid is accounted for and charged.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Singha » 14 May 2016 09:44

https://www.quora.com/Was-going-to-Kota ... n-worth-it

all sorts of opinions in the comments...some like it, some hate it.


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Postby Vayutuvan » 18 May 2016 19:22

I don't understand how cramming for one test be good. They will make poor researchers.

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Postby gakakkad » 28 May 2016 23:03

IndraD wrote::mrgreen: gkakkad ji this video is made in UK, you can gauge how much medicine surgical residents know in general
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but the stuff I mentioned is important...most surgeons in the US are quite capable of dealing with that stuff...the point I wanted to make is that Indian curriculum deals with useless stuff at all level... An average first year surgery resident in a gmc wakes up at 5 am in the morning and does malam-patti in patients...including 90% burns patient ...stuff that can be done by non clinical folks...spends the rest of the time running ward errands...in 3 years they barely learn much...may be a dozen appendix,hernia and lapratomy...if they are lucky a handful of lap-chole..most of them can't intubate or do a tracheostomy or even insert a central line...though some programs train their residents well , they are an exception rather than rule...in exam attendings are more interested in splitting hair on whether a particular swelling is a swelling or a lump...

in internal medicine patients are managed by shot gun approach...and again the exam focuses on trivia...like the 15 named signs of aortic regurgitation (remember lighthouse sign,de mussets sign etc) ..in the US even a cardiologist won't bother remembering the crap...i don't remember myself too..many will not even know how to do a fundus exam...here I admit that there is a wide variation in standards in the US too...because the bottom tier internal medicine programs scrap the barrel for candidates and faculty...but the curriculul in general is well designed...so even a donkey going through it can become a somewhat functional doctor...

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Postby member_28108 » 29 May 2016 08:05

If GMC (Grant Medical College) ahs deteriorated to that level it is astounding. That was not the case in the 80's and 90's. I agree in JJ and KEM we did a lot of unnecessary work but then we had to do everything - centrallines trache's . intunations etc etc.
I think it is all about attitude. Kust last week I saw a resident tell the nurse to call an anesthesiologist for suctioning the patient. I was astounded and asked him why. It is plain and simple laziness. I dont think anyone prevented people from learning those things especially in Maharashtra (where I did my MS and MCh) . its all about interest.

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Postby gakakkad » 29 May 2016 20:57

^^ in BJMC ahmedabad , u ll be shocked that even internal med residents don't intubate their own patients in the ER..it seems that some years ago the bosses decided that only anesthesia people have the right to intubate...They call the anesthesia to intubate a medical patient. can u believe how absurd it is? ..ideally every doctor should intubate...I was an ACLS instructor briefly and I even taught paramedics/nurses to intubate..the work culture in most residency programs in India is ultra toxic...btw there are still some excellent surgery programs in maharashtra...LTMC sion has a superb surgery department...the chief Madhuri Gore is excellent surgeon and educator..(I believe that she might be your contemporary ) .the program exceeds most american programs too.. but unfortunately only 10-15% of our programs meet that quality...

i do find some real poorly trained residents in the US too..but they form a minority...

PS: BY GMC i meant government medical college not grant in mumbai.....Grant is still quite ok...not what it use to be in the 80s/90s...but still among the best program in the country...

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Postby panduranghari » 02 Jun 2016 17:11

prasannasimha wrote:This rot is very much true. The only place where you can choose to be honest is in academic practice.Even there there is a lot of humbug possible.


That's a very misleading statement. In a way, the above statement seems like a tacit acceptance of the concept of 'cut practice'. Cut practice goes against the ethos of a medic. Putting personal financial interest in front of patient welfare is how the edifice eventually comes crumbling down. And we ask why do patients not trust doctors any more.

While some doctors used to do this in the past, now its a norm. Not taking 'cuts' means the break even period is longer and the foreign junkets promoted by vested interests do not find their way to your door. Medics are service providers. They should not under any circumstances - when caring directly for patients (unlike administrators) - attempt becoming business people. Healthcare should not be a business and cannot be treated as such. Though its essential to run it so that it does not go under, does not mean a doctor profits on the backs of people seeking medical help.

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Postby member_28108 » 02 Jun 2016 19:59

^ What you say is absolutely true but this is real and happening.It is not an endorsement by any means but this thing has become the norm in many cities.This is very bad. Blame it on loss of values.

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Postby member_28352 » 08 Jun 2016 09:58

Finally the Govt. of the day envisages something sensible.

Centre plans exit exam for MBBS students
http://indianexpress.com/article/educat ... s-2836596/

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Postby kmkraoind » 10 Jun 2016 22:08

Lecturer changing college accused of cheating

Definitely the lecturer salary is higher than many bankers and IT engineers/managers. Do not know this trend is good or bad.

The lecturer had an agreement with the college with an offer of nearly Rs. 1.8 crore per annum salary package. “Velocity college representatives charged that they paid Rs. 50 lakh to the lecturer. When they planned to begin classes, Rao had allegedly joined Narayana group again,” the Inspector said.

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Postby KJo » 10 Jun 2016 22:22

Singha wrote:https://www.quora.com/Was-going-to-Kota-for-IITJEE-preparation-worth-it

all sorts of opinions in the comments...some like it, some hate it.




If my kid has to endure such torture to get into IIT, then it is not worth it. Either he gets into IIT by putting in a reasonable amount of work or he get into any other college. Going to IIT is not the ultimate prize of life like many Indians seem to believe. I will definitely not send my kid to some far away town for years just to prepare him for the JEE.

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Postby UlanBatori » 11 Jun 2016 05:25

kmkraoind wrote:Lecturer changing college accused of cheating

Definitely the lecturer salary is higher than many bankers and IT engineers/managers. Do not know this trend is good or bad.

The lecturer had an agreement with the college with an offer of nearly[b][color=#FF0000] Rs. 1.8 crore


I have heard that ppl who command such salaries do so based on record of getting students into top schools through individual tuition. Superstar Tuition Masters.

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Postby member_28108 » 11 Jun 2016 07:43

No the top salaried people are those PCM tutors in JEE preparation classes. My Son's teacher when he was in 12th (He was an excellent teacher) was poached by another JEE coaching center for 1.6 Crores per annum. He had issues with the first center so left. He was an author of a book. He gave a copy to all the students when he left. My Son told me that he was an excellent teacher and it was an actual loss for the students. These teachers usually teach the "top" batches . My Son had gone to an integrated course where both 12th standard and JEE teaching would be done in the college itself 9Obviates children running around to coaching classes and junior college) Rather the teachers move from center to center. The top students of the batch are collected and sent to one center where these top teachers guide them and the level of instruction an assignments are way tougher. More than 80 % of these students got into centrally funded Institutes.

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Postby Singha » 12 Jun 2016 11:50

New Delhi: Aman Bansal of Jaipur has topped the Indian Institute of Technology-Joint Entrance Examination (Advanced) 2016. The results of the prestigious exams were declared on Sunday.
Bhavesh Kumar from Yamunanagar, Haryana, stood second while Jaipur's Kunal Goyal was at third position.
All the three toppers attended coaching institutes in Kota.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby kmkraoind » 13 Jun 2016 09:19

Most of North India's best-n-desired brains goes to Kota, so the success rate is high. I would rate "United AP" a bit higher (Hyderabad, Guntur-Vijayawada, Nellore). Its catchment area is mainly AP, yet it runs should-to-shoulder and sometimes outwits other states in producing rankers.

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Postby Sachin » 13 Jun 2016 10:44

RTE Act applicable to minority institutions: HC

The court added that no minority institutions could say that it had the right to trample upon the rights claimed by the others which were not derogatory to the goals of Article 30(1) of the Constitution. The minority right was essentially a right to create a feeling of security. The minority institutions could not claim any superior right in terms of the Constitution to deny rights of others. The court further observed that denial of promotion up to the elementary level in minority schools would amount to denial of the fundamental right of the children, as it would have a direct bearing on the right to life of the children guaranteed under Article 21 of the Constitution.

The court made the observation while allowing a writ petition filed by Shobha George seeking a directive to the management of St.Jospeh’s Public School, Pattanakkad, Cherthala, to comply with the directive of the Kerala State Commission for Protection of Child Right to promote her grandson to the next class

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Postby Dumal » 14 Jun 2016 13:49

Smriti Irani unhappy over being addressed as 'Dear' by Bihar minister on Twitter: Union HRD minister Smriti Irani got into a war of words ith Bihar Education Minister Ashok Choudhary on Twitter over using the salutation 'Dear' for the BJP leader.

All Choudhary did was ask the minister, "Dear @smritiirani ji, when will we get New Education policy..? When will year 2015 end in your calendar..?

An irate Irani replied, "@AshokChoudhaary mahilaon ko 'dear' keh ke kab se sambodhit karne lage Ashokji ?

To which Ashok Choudhary responded with a firm, yet civil tweet:
@AshokChoudhaary Not to disrespect but educate... Professional emails start with "dear". @smritiirani Ji Kabhi mudde pe jawab dijiye, don't circle around it.

Irani responded with a flurry of tweets: @AshokChoudhaary mudda education policy ka tha jo aapne uthaya ab ye batayein ki policy par state view kab bhejenge.

"All my communications to you or any other person start with 'adarniya' but since you are now communicating allow me.

"Bihar is possibly the only state which has not done grass root consultations for the education policy

"Have not received state views on education policy neither did you in your 1 on 1 meeting with me give any suggestions.

"Sir I hope you do find time in your busy schedule to contribute to the education policy. Await state feedback."


Not to be outdone, Ashok Choudhary responded, "@smritiirani ji has learnt a lot from Modiji...Fake promises and shifting blames to others for non-delivery is lesson1 in Sangh's book.

"Seems @smritiirani ji isn't aware her ministry's website mentions consultation with eastern zone including Bihar."


Why? Why? Why? :shock: :shock: She seems to be making a habit out of this! Didn't she get into an unnecessary mud-slinging contest with Priyanka Chaturvedi recently?

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby vera_k » 15 Jun 2016 00:08

Yep, looks to be first rate idiot. Explains a lot about the NEET debacle. Why cannot she be replaced with someone else?

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Postby KJo » 15 Jun 2016 00:19

Is it true that minority status has been removed from Aligarh Muslim Univ and some Univ in KErala?
Heard from from someone in BLR.

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Postby srin » 18 Jun 2016 07:02

Key recommendations by Committee for Evolution of the New Education Policy
3. No to No Detention: The report says no detention policy should be discontinued after class V. Detention provision to be restored but with provision of remedial coaching and at least two extra chances to each student to move to a higher class. Also to amend RTE Act to bring minority institutions back into the fold.

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Postby muraliravi » 20 Jun 2016 00:20

She was the worst choice for HRD minister. There so many cool headed educated folks in BJP or outside to be nominated for that post. Modi's biggest blunder apart from RNS as HMO.

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Postby negi » 20 Jun 2016 07:52

One of my colleagues went to Kota he says there are different tiers within Bansal's classes , they have screening tests based on which students are identified and segregated into batches for AIEEE vs IIT and then there are further sub classifications within the JEE group as well. According my colleague there were some tutors who made more than a crore in annual salary and obviously this is not even on paper.

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Postby Singha » 20 Jun 2016 08:52

there is no AIEEE now. JEE mains and JEE advanced.
it is true there are 3 tiers with only tier1 having the best of best and almost sure to clear the JEE advanced.

1 cr / annum is yesterday, 3-5 for the top talent is what I heard. these teachers and the tier1 are what keeps the institute in business by attracting hordes of people into the tier2-3.

there are also institutes who made their name in medical entrance coaching.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby SaiK » 21 Aug 2016 23:48

She has little bit of lunacy. Otherwise a brilliant politician. Trump-let a bit

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Postby SaiK » 04 Sep 2016 20:03

The Colonial Influence: How The British Triggered The Illiteratisation Of Largely Literate India
http://swarajyamag.com/culture/the-colo ... rate-india

SNAPSHOT
Macaulay’s famous minute on education (1835) led to the establishment of a colonialist system of education that is still in force.

It replaced the traditional system of village schools, which created near-universal literacy, to a system that led to school dropouts in large numbers.

This is the second in a four-part series about the way Indian thought, culture and knowledge was systematically trivialised by the colonialists.

Macaulay’s Programme

The Indic traditions have been under relentless attack by Eurocentric scholars who have controlled the public discourse and contents of the textbooks for nearly 200 years. The intention to destroy India’s own traditions of knowledge was articulated in Macaulay’s famous minute of 1835, which led to the establishment of a colonialist system of education that is still in force.

Macaulay justified this by saying,

“I am quite ready to take the Oriental learning at the valuation of the Orientalists themselves. I have never found one among them who could deny that a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India...It is, I believe, no exaggeration to say, that all the historical information which has been collected from all the books written in the Sanscrit language is less valuable than what may be found in the most paltry abridgements used at preparatory schools in England...We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect.’’
Macaulay’s ignorance about India was matched by his arrogance. His ideas were challenged in his own times, but they won the day because they suited Britain in its creation of a system which would make India dependent not only physically but also intellectually. Indian tradition was now interpreted for Indians by Western scholars who did not understand its complexity. Their synthesis cast Indian history in a mould that did it a disservice. Indian civilisation was called world-negating and mystical and presented as antithetical to the West.


In practical terms, Macaulay’s programme led to the dismantling of the traditional system of village schools which had provided near-universal literacy to the people.

The village schools had great room for improvement but they were very effective and were one of the institutions of local power. When they were superseded by new schools, run by the British bureaucracy using an alien language whose benefit ordinary people could not see, children of the poorer classes simply pulled out. This led to the illiteratisation of the great masses of the Indian population.

Central control was also disastrous for agriculture. In most of the country lay a system of tanks that had existed for millennia. These tanks were repaired by village councils. The English disbanded the local councils and instituted a system of canal irrigation even for places where it was unsuitable. Soon, the tanks fell into disuse leading to a fall of the water table. This had disastrous effects for agriculture.

In the colonial state, the idea of profit was replaced by that of service of the British Empire. The new system of education was instrumental in the socialisation of this view. The idea of the other-worldly Indian was promoted.

After independence, socialists seized control of institutions and the process set forth by the British was much accelerated. It is only now, fifty years after political independence, that an objective understanding of the foundations of Indian culture is beginning to emerge.

To Be Continued

This excerpt has been taken from the essay India: A Bridge To The Future from World Affairs, Volume Six, Number One, January-March 2002.

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Postby SaiK » 06 Sep 2016 20:43

http://www.topuniversities.com/universi ... kings/2016

chippandas and all..

we are no where near

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Postby Mollick.R » 16 Sep 2016 20:48

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/government-plans-to-introduce-quota-for-faculty-at-iims/articleshow/54366022.cms?prtpage=1

AHMEDABAD: Union HRD Ministry has proposed to introduce reservation in teaching positions at Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs) and will hold talks with the chiefs of these premier B-schools in this regard.

As part of the proposal to introduce quotas in faculty posts at IIMs, chairmen and directors of IIMs will meet at IIM Shillong on September 20 to discuss the matter, HRD Minister Prakash Javadekar told media persons here today.


Currently, there is no reservation for SCs, STs and OBCs in teaching jobs at IIMs, all set up by the government. All IIMs are registered societies governed by their respective Board of Governors.


:eek: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Shooting on your own foot

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Postby MohdKav » 23 Sep 2016 02:12

Right to Education, being applicable to Private institution ( especially when it is applicable to minorities ) is the final nail on the coffin, that is Hindu or Secular Schools

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Postby SaiK » 16 Oct 2016 07:53

IIT cut-off for SC/ST lowered, more seats for foreign students

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 874797.cms

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Postby Manish_P » 13 Nov 2016 17:13

Line of Control villages send 4 boys to IITs

Four boys, aged between 17 and 19, from two villages barely 16km from the Line of Control in J&K's Poonch district have made history by making it to IIT.


Nineteen-year-old Shahid Afridi (his real name) can't hit a six, but became the first person from Shindra village to bag a seat in IIT Kanpur. The backward region of Gujjar Muslims erupted in joy when Aqib Mujtaba (18), Us man Hafiz (17) and Hilal Ahmad (19), all from village Kalai, also made it to the elite engineering school.

Shahid is studying computer science at IIT Kanpur, Aqib mechanical engineering at IIT Bhubaneswar, Usman electrical engineering at IIT Delhi and Hilal computer science at IIT Patna.


"We're IITians only because we're in India," says Shahid, who, two years ago, was handpicked by an NGO and sent to prepare for the IIT entrance test to Rajasthan's Bundi town. The other boys took coaching classes independently in Delhi.

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Postby Raghz » 31 Jan 2017 14:17

There was an article in a local newspaper in Bangalore about this last week. Interested people can check it out. It is a non profit organization involved in providing online classes to remote government schools. Interested members can become volunteers and teach from the comfort of their location.

www.evidyaloka.org

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Postby A Nandy » 15 Apr 2017 22:11



An increase in all-India rural school enrolment, improvement in reading ability in early classes in government schools, and the lack of growth in private enrolment are some of the key findings of the latest edition of the Annual Status of Education Report (ASER), brought out by Pratham,

http://www.frontline.in/other/data-card ... 544408.ece

The latest ASER report points to an improvement in reading ability and arithmetic proficiency among rural students in the country. By RAMESH CHAKRAPANI
An increase in all-India rural school enrolment, improvement in reading ability in early classes in government schools, and the lack of growth in private enrolment are some of the key findings of the latest edition of the Annual Status of Education Report (ASER), brought out by Pratham, a non-governmental organisation, with the support of 500 partner organisations and over 25,000 volunteers.

ASER, a household survey that provides estimates of children’s schooling status and their ability to read simple text and do basic arithmetic, is carried out all over the country and covers children between 3 and 16. ASER 2016 covered 562,305 children in 17,473 villages across 589 rural districts.

The report said that two States showed significant increases in government school enrolment from 2014 levels. In Kerala, the proportion of children (age 11-14) enrolled in government schools rose from 40.6 per cent in 2014 to 49.9 per cent in 2016, while Gujarat saw this proportion rise from 79.2 per cent to 86 per cent.

The gender gap in private school enrolment has decreased in the 11-14 age group, from 7.6 percentage points in 2014 to 6.9 points in 2016.

Three States showed substantial increases since 2014 in private school enrolment among children in the 6-14 group: Uttarakhand (from 37.5 per cent to 41.6 per cent), Arunachal Pradesh (from 24.4 per cent to 29.5 per cent), and Assam (from 17.3 per cent to 22 per cent).

Nationally, reading ability has improved especially in the early classes in government schools. The proportion of children in Std III who are able to read at least Std I level text has gone up slightly, from 40.2 per cent in 2014 to 42.5 per cent.

In almost all States there is some improvement in the arithmetic levels of children enrolled in government schools in Std III.

For the most part, improvement in school facilities continues, according to the report. Since 2010, there has been significant progress in the availability of usable toilets, to 68.7 per cent in 2016 from 47.2 per cent in 2010. The proportion of schools with usable girls' toilets has gone up from 32.9 per cent in 2010 to 55.7 per cent in 2014 to 61.9 per cent in 2016, the report said.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Prasad » 14 Jul 2017 22:39

The wrecking ball that Sonia led UPA took to the education system in the country - to ensure future generations are captured by the padres
Prasad wrote:Brilliant brilliant takedown of the upa backed nac cabal's RTE act. http://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/qHoFC ... E-Act.html Must read for anyone even remotely interested in india's future.


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