Indian Education System

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby vinamr_s » 15 Feb 2021 22:53

isubodh wrote:
vinamr_s wrote:Mr. Rahul Mehta, an old member of this forum, has proposed an interesting test-cum-reward method of improving public education in India. Here is a description of it: https://www.rahulmehta.com/edu02.htm

I think it is a very good alternative to the battery of school inspectors our current District Education Office & Education ministries have installed to ensure that teachers are teaching, schools are functioning efficiently etc.

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What do you guys think about it?

Just to give a perspective from Delhi Govt Schools where my close relative is a teacher, the teachers come to exam hall read out answers of objective and true/false questions to get students to clear exam and get higher pass percentage.

You might have to totally randomize the questions for each student to make it next to impossible to feed in answers to all students.


OMG. That's the situation in our national capital. Amazing!

In the current system, the teachers make the question papers for their school's exams (except for board exams, where their's a separate committee I guess). They know which questions are going to come beforehand and can prepare a key to read it out for the crowd.

I guess the following features of his system will make such cheating almost impossible:

1. The server randomly selects questions from the database (of lakhs of questions) and displays it on the terminals just when the exam starts.
2. All students will get the same questions BUT in a completely randomized ORDER.
3. They will only be able to go one question behind to change their response.

Additionally, we can set a limit on the time one gets to respond to a question, say 2-5 minutes (depending on difficulty).

So, at a given moment, *almost* everyone will have different questions and in those few minutes, the teachers will have to solve all questions in those 5 minutes. Say, the exam had 30-40 questions, the teachers will have to be extremely talented to be able to solve a question in 5 seconds. It'll be easier for them to teach the material to their students.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby A Nandy » 16 Feb 2021 23:46

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/hom ... 920281.cms

India can hope to see a boost in research initiatives with the allocation of Rs 50,000 crore over five years for setting up the National Research Foundation (NRF), an umbrella body for funding researches in science, technology and humanities.
Following its proposed creation in the draft of National Education Policy (NEP) 2020, the Foundation is aimed at strengthening the overall research ecosystem in the country with a focus on “identified national priority thrust areas”.

“NRF is expected to bring about a change in the operational model by bringing in the different ministries as stakeholders and connect academic institutions with them. Once the ministries pool in their problems, NRF can provide the required funding to solve their problems via the research projects,” says IIT Delhi director V Ramgopal Rao.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby vinamr_s » 19 Feb 2021 23:44

Delhi govt director of education tells students that they’ll get marks even if they write “anything” in a video that went viral.

Do not leave the answer sheet blank. Answer all questions. If you don’t know the answers, copy the questions in the space allotted for answers but don’t leave it blank. Write anything you remember, or can think of, but don’t leave it blank. We have spoken to your teachers and they have said that they will mark you if something is written on the answer sheets. We have also told CBSE that if the child writes anything, they should be marked,” Rai appears to be telling students in the video posted on social media.


Look at their justification:

However, a senior official from the education department of the state said that the Director’s motive was to assure the students that they should give their best in the exams without worrying about anything and it seems that specific parts of his conversation have been presented out of context.


https://swarajyamag.com/insta/delhi-gov ... objections

I see education has improved significantly in Delhi :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Ambar » 21 Feb 2021 00:49

Reminds me of the 90s UP. UP back then had one of the lowest literacy and graduation rate in the country and then Mulayam Singh took over. In true samajwadi (socialism) fashion, his government asked all the exam boards to pass students irrespective of their performance in exams, and suddenly schools and colleges in UP were reporting 100% students clearing board exams :rotfl: Ofcourse the travesty did not end there since many such students went on to become bureaucrats, doctors etc. As more and more Indians rose up from poverty into middleclass in the 21st century, the demand for education went up significantly. The new schools and colleges today are either owned by politicians or their cronies. We saw this in the Bihar board exams scandal in 2015 and 2016 when mass cheating was condoned by school management in exams (and the SIT found out many of the schools were owned by politicians or their close family members). And this isn't an issue limited to less affluent states, even in the wealthy southern states the quality of education has tanked, its safe to say 3/4th of the students graduating are not prepared for the modern day economy or need lots of training after college to prepare them for jobs. We have a very short window to promote manufacturing at all skill levels because our education system by and large has failed our students, and i doubt if millions and millions of graduates can be absorbed by the service sector. Else we'll continue to have Phds, MBAs and Btechs applying for grade D government jobs.

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-today/st ... 2019-11-28

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby vinamr_s » 21 Feb 2021 05:21

Ambar wrote:Reminds me of the 90s UP. UP back then had one of the lowest literacy and graduation rate in the country and then Mulayam Singh took over. In true samajwadi (socialism) fashion, his government asked all the exam boards to pass students irrespective of their performance in exams, and suddenly schools and colleges in UP were reporting 100% students clearing board exams :rotfl: Ofcourse the travesty did not end there since many such students went on to become bureaucrats, doctors etc. As more and more Indians rose up from poverty into middleclass in the 21st century, the demand for education went up significantly. The new schools and colleges today are either owned by politicians or their cronies. We saw this in the Bihar board exams scandal in 2015 and 2016 when mass cheating was condoned by school management in exams (and the SIT found out many of the schools were owned by politicians or their close family members). And this isn't an issue limited to less affluent states, even in the wealthy southern states the quality of education has tanked, its safe to say 3/4th of the students graduating are not prepared for the modern day economy or need lots of training after college to prepare them for jobs. We have a very short window to promote manufacturing at all skill levels because our education system by and large has failed our students, and i doubt if millions and millions of graduates can be absorbed by the service sector. Else we'll continue to have Phds, MBAs and Btechs applying for grade D government jobs.

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-today/st ... 2019-11-28


Total Samajwadi fashion, indeed.

I agree with your thoughts on where should our interests lie.

IMO first, we need to make education decent enough, then we can have a real manufacturing & engineering design industry base and finally, the industrial requirements can only make the research in our universities and quality of college graduates world class.


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