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Postby vasu raya » 05 Jun 2017 22:16

Tech glitches ground ISRO lightning alert mobile app

“The system helps us predict lightning, wind speed, rainfall and temperature, but majorly focuses to detect lightning in advance. As per the NCRB data, majority of people dying in natural calamities are due to lightning strikes. In order to save the lives of people and livestock and protect monuments, we have come up with this technology. The project is being developed at a low cost,” said S Varadarajan, APSCHE secretary.

Sources at ISRO said that the project would also be used for alerting planes and ships during lightning strikes. “Once the project is completed, the airlines and ships can subscribe to us for sending lightning alerts. This would also generate income to the State,” the sources said.

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Postby Austin » 10 Jun 2017 11:08

MS-21 External & Internal Pics Post Flight

http://fotografersha.livejournal.com/900141.html

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Postby JayS » 12 Jun 2017 11:32

http://atwonline.com/blog/airbus-boeing ... arger-goal

Airbus-Boeing subsidy dispute is a proxy fight with a larger goal
The latest volley in the seemingly endless Airbus-Boeing subsidy dispute landed Monday. This time, it was a Washington state tax incentive to entice Boeing to build the 777X in the Seattle area being ruled on by the World Trade Organization (WTO). But, of course, the ruling isn’t final, and both Airbus and Boeing claimed victory. There will be an appeal. Perhaps second only to their expertise in manufacturing aircraft, Airbus and Boeing have become whizzes at maneuvering through the WTO decision-making process.

In a statement to Reuters, Airbus Group CEO Tom Enders referred to the back-and-forth complaints, counter-complaints and appeals as a “ridiculous series of disputes” and called for ending those disputes by negotiating and establishing “a set of globally applicable rules for the support of the civil aircraft industry.”

In other words, an aircraft subsidy ceasefire—which, if the terms were right, Airbus and Boeing would surely welcome.

Indeed, the Airbus-Boeing subsidy dispute has long been more of a proxy fight with a larger goal: eventually setting rules for state support for building commercial aircraft that will apply beyond Europe and the US. In truth, Airbus/the EU and Boeing/the US both make a reasonable case that the other manufacturer is helped by state assistance: whether via technology research funding or tax incentives or other “subsidies,” commercial aircraft manufacturing is not a totally market-driven endeavor. The US has a huge stake in Boeing’s success; likewise the EU and Airbus.

Commercial aircraft are such expensive, complicated machines—involving major development costs and risk—that governments will inevitably act as a sort of backstop. That said, given all that is at stake, Airbus and Boeing are remarkably market-driven organizations. Yes, they get some state help of various kinds along the way, but ultimately the manufacturers are self-funded companies that design and build aircraft that fail or succeed based on their merits.

Actually, both Airbus and Boeing could largely live with each other’s “subsidies,” even if they won’t say so publicly. So why engage in repetitive sniping over voluminous WTO rulings?

Because Airbus and Boeing fear they will not be able to live with the kinds of state support that budding rivals may receive. The Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC) is not merely subsidized by the state—it is an entirely state-owned and -run enterprise. In the present, Airbus and Boeing don’t much care about COMAC, which has endured multiple delays in developing the C919 that is supposed to compete against the A320 and 737 programs. COMAC does not currently produce any aircraft that threaten Airbus or Boeing.

But that won’t likely be the case forever. Imagine COMAC gets its act together and starts producing multiple commercial aircraft to compete with Airbus and Boeing models. China is a critical market for Airbus and Boeing. But what happens if the Chinese government simply mandates that the major, state-owned Chinese airlines must purchase COMAC aircraft? No bidding, no competition: Airbus and Boeing closed off from what eventually will become the largest air transport market in the world.

To say nothing of the tremendous advantage a state-funded aircraft manufacturer with Beijing’s complete backing would have in sales competitions in the rest of the world if its aircraft were legitimately on par with Airbus and Boeing aircraft technologically.

This is the nightmare scenario that drives Airbus and Boeing to fight each other at the WTO. Unless they attempt to draw lines in the sand, COMAC—or another fully state-owned aircraft manufacturing operation—could run roughshod over them in the future. That’s why Enders wants “a set of globally applicable rules”—rules that Airbus, Boeing and any future competitors will have to follow.


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Postby Indranil » 12 Jun 2017 23:31

Finally.
Airvan 10 achieves Type Certification
The CEO of GippsAero, Keith Douglas, welcomed this recognition of achievement as an opportunity to progress into the next stage of the program and then on to delivery of the first aircraft to customers by the fourth quarter of 2017.

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Postby Zynda » 20 Jun 2017 19:22

Airbus trying to resuscitate a dead horse the A380...kinda Boeing's efforts towards modernizing 747 in to 747-8 variant.

Airbus launched A380Plus upgrade.


Image

The age of 4-engine transports are over. Except quasi-rich state supported airlines like Emirates, few others can afford to operate this behemoth.

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Jun 2017 19:25

It's awesome plane though, from personal experience the stability of 380 is not found in other long range planes.

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Postby Singha » 22 Jun 2017 20:32

roomy standing areas near the toilets. high ceilings. nothing comes close. but due to its long flights there is need for wide seats so aisles tend to be narrow. airlines are loathe to give us any respite by going to 3-3-3 instead of 3-4-3

3-3-3 would be great economy seating on a380 or 747 for long haul trips .. 2 inches more hiproom drool

or 2-3-2 on A330/B777 instead of 2-4-2

and delete some 5 rows of seats of more knee room ... man could start to love flying again :lol:

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Postby Raveen » 22 Jun 2017 21:31

Karthik S wrote:It's awesome plane though, from personal experience the stability of 380 is not found in other long range planes.


I disagree, I'd gladly take the 777 or the dreamliner over the 380 any day any time

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Postby Austin » 22 Jun 2017 22:56

A-350-900 would be competitor for Dreamliner and 777

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Postby Theo_Fidel » 22 Jun 2017 23:44

Does the A380 do any routes to India?

I have never been on one, whats the easiest route to get on it?

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Postby arshyam » 23 Jun 2017 00:15

^^ DXB-DEL on Emirates.

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Postby RajeevK » 23 Jun 2017 04:28

I think Lufthansa uses A380 as well on Delhi Frankfurt route

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Postby Singha » 23 Jun 2017 06:30

Blr as well i think?

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Postby putnanja » 23 Jun 2017 07:13

Singha wrote:Blr as well i think?


No A380s to BLR.

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Postby James » 23 Jun 2017 07:15

Also, SIN-BOM by Singapore Airlines. One of 3 daily flights is an A-380.

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Postby rahulm » 23 Jun 2017 07:57

I have been on many 380's. In my opinion, nothing special about them. Many more people so gate hold areas can get uncomfortable and aircraft can be noisier with the increased number of people and gate boarding hassles are more with all the people trying to board at once.

Biz class is much better in the A380-that's where is all becomes worthwhile.

The AI Dreamliner is a good aircraft except for well, the staff. The 777 is also very good in terms of cabin noise and ambience.

It has mood lighting but so do other aircraft.

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Postby Kashi » 23 Jun 2017 08:09

In my experience A380 economy had better leg room than those of other aircraft.

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Postby Singha » 23 Jun 2017 10:42

BIAL is capable of a380. i think 2 gates were designed to handle a380..but looks like wont be needed now unless emirates or etihad change over from using 777 on this route.

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Postby Karthik S » 23 Jun 2017 10:46

Unless AI (whoever acquires it) buys 380s, we won't see much of them in India.

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Postby Singha » 24 Jun 2017 23:43

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 708_1.html

2nd NCR airport to come up in jewar UP. GMR has right to match the highest bidder.

the chart shows Blr somehow even crossing Mum in pax in 10 years which is hard to believe

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Postby Singha » 24 Jun 2017 23:47

location is around 70km south of noida adjacent to the yamuna expway. nearest urban cluster is faridabad and greater noida region.

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Postby Singha » 24 Jun 2017 23:50

this chart clearly shows how capacity constraint is killing the growth of air traffic to mumbai.
every other major airport is growing at 2x or 3x the rate in % including IGI and BIAL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... er_traffic

mumbai needs that 2nd airport on the same pace as delhis 2nd actually even earlier given the current situation

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Postby Singha » 24 Jun 2017 23:53

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/governme ... eststories

4 runways capacity will be there, which is a must to scale to 100 mil/annum scale which IGI will do with 2 runways somehow.

BIAL is busy in earth works for its T2 and 2nd runway on other side of road as planned. i hope car parking and taxi parking and bus bays is also looked into. the current model is simply not good enough.

separated arrival and departure levels are a must as in all major airports worldwide.

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Postby Suraj » 25 Jun 2017 00:17

DEL is close to 60M passengers a year now . Entering the big leagues . This year it will overtake the likes of Singapore, Seoul etc . BOM would have kept up, except for its slot constraint.

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Postby putnanja » 25 Jun 2017 08:40

Singha wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/government-clears-plan-of-rs-20-000-crore-for-delhis-second-airport-1716523?pfrom=home-lateststories

4 runways capacity will be there, which is a must to scale to 100 mil/annum scale which IGI will do with 2 runways somehow.

BIAL is busy in earth works for its T2 and 2nd runway on other side of road as planned. i hope car parking and taxi parking and bus bays is also looked into. the current model is simply not good enough.

separated arrival and departure levels are a must as in all major airports worldwide.


They need a multi-level car parking for increasing cars. Also will help in long-term parking for someone to park cars for 2-3 days at a time.

I believe the plans for T2 are for different levels for arrivals and departures.

GVK has been a good operator, anticipating traffic and making changes. However, with GVK now planning on selling their remaining 10% stake in BIAL, a new CEO will take over. Hopefully, someone with experience of running large airport. And Fairfax group who now owns majority stake is a financial investments group, not an airport operator.

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Postby CalvinH » 25 Jun 2017 09:59

Singha wrote:location is around 70km south of noida adjacent to the yamuna expway. nearest urban cluster is faridabad and greater noida region.


How is the Bangalore experience of Real Estate development with KIAL. Especially for areas closer to the airport. I remember the airport was very far from the closest urban area and on the diagonally opposite end (of city) from where the real IT action was brewing.

The new airport is 35+ KM from the GN entry on the expressway and I was wondering how much long term impact can be expected in the Real Estate in adjoining areas.

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Postby Singha » 27 Jun 2017 07:29

the airport has a huge 30km long flyover/expway connecting it to north of city.

about 100 yards in from the service roads below it descends into usual anarchy and village roads, except in rare cases of planned apts or govt areas like GKVK (Agri univ). but except for a small stretch after yelehanka iaf base the whole stretch is urbanized, with 10 feet wide roads. Lakhs of people have moved in there.

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Postby Vips » 28 Jun 2017 07:51

Need to make commercial planes in India, says SpiceJet chief .

India should come out with policy initiatives for local manufacturing of commercial planes as its aviation market is poised to become the third largest in the world, SpiceJet chief Ajay Singh said today.

Noting that India is projected to become the world's third-largest commercial aviation market by 2020, Singh said Indian airlines have placed orders for more than 600 commercial planes.

If the Indian government can push for making military planes -- when the orders are for little over 120 - it is time that New Delhi thinks on those lines for commercial planes too under the 'Make in India' programme, Singh said.

"They have been talking about it on the military side but but on the commercial side, there has been nothing much," the SpiceJet Chairman and Managing Director said. India's domestic aviation market is one of the fastest growing in the world and has been witnessing double-digit growth for more than two years.

"I think we need to...put some pressure on our manufacturers, much as we are doing on the (fighter jets) transaction.

"To say that look, there is a huge market available for you in India, so why don't you manufacture here? Perhaps, there can be some form of concessions given to people who might want to manufacture in India. Both tax concessions as well as creating a market opportunity for them," Singh said.

Mentioning the opportunities, he said: "We are growing 20-25 per cent. Despite this growth, there are only three percent of the Indians that fly, so obviously the potential is really immense.

"Supposing we were to say that look, in the regional connectivity scheme, you will have to use aircraft which are manufactured in India. There is automatically a market which opens up."

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Postby Singha » 28 Jun 2017 08:34

as someone pointed out, indigo/spicejet/jet tend to lease their planes from a few biggies like GE aviation services.
unless they buy from OEM like chinese do, the GOI does not have any leverage to use these deals for manufacturing ...but can no doubt demand MRO etc be done in india .

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Postby SriKumar » 29 Jun 2017 08:36

Union Cabinet gives go-ahead to divest (sell?) Air India. If true, unions are not going to like it. Pilots, airport staff, baggage handlers, everyone

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/619 ... tment.html

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Postby Singha » 29 Jun 2017 08:55

pilots might actually benefit from a revitalized and well run airline...they have pay arrears pending i think. actually all will benefit rather than a slow death. the staff:airplane ratio is not so high as before now.

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Postby Theo_Fidel » 29 Jun 2017 10:05

If I'm not wrong a major part of the resistance comes from the retirees. Right now there are more retirees than employees who essentially use the airline as their private playground. All kinds of pelf and benefits for themselves and their progeny. They have right to vote in union as well.

So who will buy this rump entity?

Last time around the Tata's stepped up to the plate, but in these lean and mean times, post JRD, they have shown no interest. I think it will have to be dismembered and various pieces carted of like an unwieldy Chakka palzham. Hope no indigestion next day or one will have to trot out the infamous jack fruit letter.... "I am doing Dung, etc..."

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Postby nandakumar » 29 Jun 2017 10:22

Tatas do seem to be interested. Tata Sons chairman did meet with senior government officials according to news reports. Ratan Tata calls the shots in Tata Sons. His passion for aviation business is well known.

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Postby Singha » 29 Jun 2017 10:37

50,000cr debt load though.

is there a readout on the outgo due to staff perks and benefits and retiree pensions?

any new buyer MIGHT at most agree for current set of retired people but slash that to industry levels for fresh batches...this will incite huge protests from serving staff.

thats the problem with Govt run orgs - easy to scale up, nearly impossible to scale down.

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Postby kvraghav » 29 Jun 2017 10:41

Singha wrote:50,000cr debt load though.

is there a readout on the outgo due to staff perks and benefits and retiree pensions?

any new buyer MIGHT at most agree for current set of retired people but slash that to industry levels for fresh batches...this will incite huge protests from serving staff.

thats the problem with Govt run orgs - easy to scale up, nearly impossible to scale down.


The main incentive will be the Hub routes that will be present with IA. It is impossible for new airlines to get Hub routes because they have some per country quota.

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Postby Prasad » 29 Jun 2017 10:57

Doesn't IA run unprofitable routes solely due to being a govt entity and service like railways is implied? If AI goes private then unions will :(( Heck even for madras airport modernisation the unions went :(( and couldn't be done like hyd or blr.

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Postby Singha » 29 Jun 2017 11:29

>>Doesn't IA run unprofitable routes solely due to being a govt entity

if you mean flights to NE , all airlines are mandated by GOI to run these routes. and they are actually packed and viable since a while ago as a lot of NE people moved out to work. i think flight to agartala etc were subsidized on IA at one time as it was a 48 hr rail and bus journey from howrah to agartala....not sure if same subsidy was extended to pvt airlines.

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Postby nandakumar » 29 Jun 2017 12:26

Prasad wrote:Doesn't IA run unprofitable routes solely due to being a govt entity and service like railways is implied? If AI goes private then unions will :(( Heck even for madras airport modernisation the unions went :(( and couldn't be done like hyd or blr.

Forget about Hyderabad and Bengaluru which at least are green field airport projects. The reason why Chennai airport didn't go the way of Mumbai, Delhi which are joint venture with private sector owning majority stake is because of DMK which was in power in the 2006-11 period didn't want it. Their hold over the levers of power in the last two years of the UPA I Govt was immense.

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Postby JayS » 29 Jun 2017 15:50

nandakumar wrote:Tatas do seem to be interested. Tata Sons chairman did meet with senior government officials according to news reports. Ratan Tata calls the shots in Tata Sons. His passion for aviation business is well known.


Not the first time Ratan Tata wants to buy AI.

AI was in profit till its merger with IA which was crap. On top of it Praful Patel screwed up AI big time in his tenure. Giving away all lucrative slots, ordering aircrafts when there was no real need or viability and stuff like that.

AI was a Tata company, would be great if it goes back to them and they can turn it around.
Vips wrote:Need to make commercial planes in India, says SpiceJet chief .

India should come out with policy initiatives for local manufacturing of commercial planes as its aviation market is poised to become the third largest in the world, SpiceJet chief Ajay Singh said today.

Noting that India is projected to become the world's third-largest commercial aviation market by 2020, Singh said Indian airlines have placed orders for more than 600 commercial planes.

If the Indian government can push for making military planes -- when the orders are for little over 120 - it is time that New Delhi thinks on those lines for commercial planes too under the 'Make in India' programme, Singh said.

"They have been talking about it on the military side but but on the commercial side, there has been nothing much," the SpiceJet Chairman and Managing Director said. India's domestic aviation market is one of the fastest growing in the world and has been witnessing double-digit growth for more than two years.

"I think we need to...put some pressure on our manufacturers, much as we are doing on the (fighter jets) transaction.

"To say that look, there is a huge market available for you in India, so why don't you manufacture here? Perhaps, there can be some form of concessions given to people who might want to manufacture in India. Both tax concessions as well as creating a market opportunity for them," Singh said.

Mentioning the opportunities, he said: "We are growing 20-25 per cent. Despite this growth, there are only three percent of the Indians that fly, so obviously the potential is really immense.

"Supposing we were to say that look, in the regional connectivity scheme, you will have to use aircraft which are manufactured in India. There is automatically a market which opens up."


Someone should ask him a question if Spicejet will prefer a domestic jet over a foreign one even if it means little more cost in initial days but benefits in long run..? If the industry steps up to provide support, no reason why we cant have our own RTA flying in some time.

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Postby Prasad » 29 Jun 2017 16:21

The UDAN scheme could use a smaller jet/turboprop desi aircraft too if properly envisioned.


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