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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby SriKumar » 30 Jan 2016 22:20

Aditya_V wrote:As much as people hate Air India it is the only airline which evacuates Indians in Kuwait and gulf in 1990, Yemen in 2014-15 while the Emirates Qatar airways etc just take India money keep MRO and other facilities outside India and do zilch when shit hits the fan.
Credit for for airlifting Indians in trouble goes to GOI i.e. the administration and executive, whether they use IAF assets (Yemen) or AI assets, naval vessels etc. GOI takes action and makes it work. It is not cost-effective or even reasonable to maintain a airline fleet of 100+ aircraft and 23,000+ employees everyday, year after year, decade after decade to justify large-scale emergency evacuations that are needed about once every 10-15 years.

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Postby Mort Walker » 30 Jan 2016 22:42

Air India needs to be privatized over a 5 year period. AI is unresponsive to customer needs and has a dubious record of theft, fights of cabin crew, and long delays. If your domestic travels are within 1000 KM, my first choice to would be one of the other private airlines, and if timings are not suitable, then Indian Railways would be my preference over AI.

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Postby SriKumar » 30 Jan 2016 23:49

The Yemen airlift, per wiki evacuated about 5000 people, requiring some navy vessels and then planes. The total number of flights is not mentioned but about 5000 were evacuated, either directly from Yemen to India, or from Djibouti. Flight capacities vary (C-17 vs commercial) but assuming an average of about 250 per flight, that comes to about 20 flights. It requires no more than four aeroplanes flying 1 flight a day to cover this in 5 days. If anyone knows the exact number of flights, please post (with a link). My rough estimate suggests the need was about 4 aircraft for about a week.

The Gulf war airflift (per wiki) evacuated 111,000 Indians over 60 days (59 days actually). Round off to 120,000 people over 60 days, on average that translates to 2000 people a day. At 250 people per flight on average, that comes to 8 plane-loads of people per day, for 60 days. This can be covered by using four planes per day, at 2 flights per plane every day for 2 months. Or by using 8 planes with rotating service, about 50% of the time. Wiki reports a total of 488 flights in 59 days which matches above calculation.

So, the requirement for actual number of aircraft seems quite low- 4 to 8 planes for a week to a few weeks, once every 10-20 years. Something like this can be arranged by GOI from private players (i.e. assuming no AI and only private airlines) with conditional agreements in place ahead of time for national emergencies. I am sure the private players will be more than happy to make such agreements if AI is privatized (or dissolved), or even otherwise- GOI will pay for the costs. It is not free even when AI does the airlifting.

The question is whether it is worth spending billions of rupees every year for the 100+ planes (and more on order) and 23,000 unionized workers and unionized pilots; not to mention the free flights that mantri jis and their relatives take, after making the flights wait for their leisurely arrival.

I am not very hopeful about AI being privatized, given the unions. Not just AI unions, it is likely that all unions could oppose (or create trouble).

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 31 Jan 2016 01:03

^^^I think we have to look at the phased privatization of Lufthansa in the 1990s as a model. It took Lufthansa several years to prepare for privatization and the Germans went through a national discussion and process about it.

The other way AI can be privatized is to remove preferences AI gets from GoI. Such as official travel must be done on AI. Official travel should be based on cost and any one of the domestic based airlines would get the benefit. This could also help relocate Jet Airways from being a Belgian company owned by Indians, to an Indian company owned by Indians. Also, AI would lose airport scheduling preference, storage and apron preference. Create competition and if AI can't survive, then it should be killed off.

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Postby SriKumar » 31 Jan 2016 01:22

My perspective is that a cilivilized discourse etc. etc. (a la Lufthansa, national discussion) may not get us anywhere on the point of privatizing or ending AI. A discourse may happen but I expect AI unions and other unions to oppose privatization/sale though goondaism if necessary (I hear AI pilots are paid better than other airlines, they might opposite it too). Other PSU unions are likely to get involved since if AI privatization is successful, a precedent is set and they might be on the auction block next; atleast that would be their fear. Another thing is that any govt. that does this will probably suffer at the polls as well. Tackling unions is a political issue given the political alliances of many (all?) trade unions.

Can you anyone name any decent-sized PSU (i.e. with more than 1-2000 workers ) that was shut down or privatized? I had heard that HMT had been closed down, but surprisingly, wiki says that it still employs 2000 people.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 31 Jan 2016 07:32

AI should be disbanded and privatized asap. someone came from NY to Delhi on AI..only 3 toilets working...
rest all choked..not working..

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Postby member_29089 » 31 Jan 2016 07:52

manjgu wrote:AI should be disbanded and privatized asap. someone came from NY to Delhi on AI..only 3 toilets working...
rest all choked..not working..


Yes AI should be privatized for various reasons.
But
Toilet clogging depends on the airline staff AND the passengers.

Do lay (Indian) people know how the toilets are engineered, how they function, and why a tampon can clog it? A little bit of education in sanitation in grades 2 to 5 can go a long way.

It's a failure of education, society, government, parents, AND the airline.

Air India, afterall is part of India.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby member_29172 » 31 Jan 2016 09:35

manjgu wrote:AI should be disbanded and privatized asap. someone came from NY to Delhi on AI..only 3 toilets working...
rest all choked..not working..


All these over the top horror stories are only seen on Indian forums from some reason. Sounds like BS sorry, I've been on AI plenty of times and they aren't perfect, but they certainly aren't as bad as they are made out to be here and SSCI. And then again, the passengers aren't exactly angels either, a lot of them act like idiots and so are rightfully treated as such, then they get butthurt and whine about AI, Jet Airways and what not. Just look at the story of that wedding group of 70 people who were asked to get out. You think they'd say nice thing about AI?

Take that into account before posting bs stories. I've heard plenty of such stories about everything from bus rides to planes to condition of airports and it's generally the most arrogant idiotic types who always have these over the top horror stories to tell.

Almost all PSUs were in debt during the sickular era, they are slowly getting out. Even AI has started making profit, let's see what happens. Unions are the real a$$holes here

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 31 Jan 2016 10:03

GunterH wrote:Yes AI should be privatized for various reasons.
But
Toilet clogging depends on the airline staff AND the passengers.

Do lay (Indian) people know how the toilets are engineered, how they function, and why a tampon can clog it? A little bit of education in sanitation in grades 2 to 5 can go a long way.

It's a failure of education, society, government, parents, AND the airline.

Air India, afterall is part of India.


So what you're implying is that Indian passengers and crew are uncouth? How convenient to blame Indian society, rather than abysmal AI mismanagement? I have seen European Airline hostesses clean coach class toilets on Transatlantic and between Asia and Europe. The one thing common on US based airlines and AI is that cabin crew personnel are dumb asses. The only difference is that US based airlines will rectify the problem of working lavatories once the destination is reached. Don't know about AI.

AI is NOT a good example of the service or transportation industry of India. Heck, Indian Railways is better than AI.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 31 Jan 2016 21:49

With the Russian economy in decline, it is very unlikely that the MC-21 can be produced in any significant numbers even though it has orders from Aerflot and others for 2018. I would expect those orders to be significantly scaled back by 2017.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Rishirishi » 01 Feb 2016 05:33

Privatization is not always the answer. Look at Singapore airlines or the Gulf carriers. They are all government controlled, and very succsessfull.
It is all about management.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Vipul » 14 Feb 2016 17:30

Plane put together on a terrace features in Make in India.

Among a plethora of innovation marvels at the Make in India Week, commencing this evening at the Bandra Kurla Complex, is a six-seater aircraft entirely assembled in a three-BHK flat in Charkop, Kandivali (W).

That the product is no fly-by-night enterprise is certified by none other than the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which has given the plane the display space alongside some of its own flying machines at Narendra Modi's pet event that is hoping to earn investment to the tune of Rs 4.6 lakh crore.

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Postby Mort Walker » 15 Feb 2016 23:29

Rishirishi wrote:Privatization is not always the answer. Look at Singapore airlines or the Gulf carriers. They are all government controlled, and very succsessfull.
It is all about management.


Wrong. The gulf countries are monarchies and Singapore is a city state where there is only one airport and very small civil aviation. SIA is the favored airline for Singapore and they need no more. India is more like the US with several states and territories. India can not favor one airline over another. All airlines must be private with clauses where that in national emergencies, the airlines can be forced for national use at very low compensation rates. Air India needs to be privatized and the laws of regarding the airlines need to be changed. For example, Jet Airways is based in Brussels, Belgium, but operates mostly in India. So corporate taxes are being collected by the Belgians. Jet Airways needs to be based in India. Air India, Jet Airways, IndiGo, and Spice Jet need to be treated equally. There will be competition, lower prices and better service.

The central government's role is in large infrastructure and research efforts and not in running businesses. Civil aviation in particular general aviation (private aircraft ownership) will spur innovation and commerce. The central government must provide for airway infrastructure (air traffic control) and investments in airports. One mile of road or rail will give you one mile, one kilometer of runway will give you the whole world.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby NRao » 16 Feb 2016 03:42

Is sky the limit for Indian plane making?

Air passenger numbers in India jumped more than 20% in 2015 and the likes of Boeing and Airbus have been getting excited about potential new orders.

India, however, is seen as a supplier as well as a customer - which is great news for the country's aviation manufacturers - but what does that mean for local firms in the sector?

From Bangalore, the BBC's Shilpa Kannan has been finding out more for India Business Report.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Feb 2016 07:45

interesting data from a ibnlive article comments section:

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Tarun • an hour ago
Mumbai metropolitan region deserves a second airport. CSIA simply lacks the tarmac to become a 50+ million pax/yr airport, and there's no land to build satellite runways, unless any government has the balls to relocate 50 acres of slums. Hek, there isn't even enough land to build the second radial concourse of Terminal 2. What were the planners thinking?
The best bet is to build a proper H-type or N-type airport elsewhere. Maybe it has to eat into some of the forest near Kandivali East, or dredged out mangrove land near Vikhroli, or even the Indian mainland. But this city needs a brand freaking new airport with enough land to keep it expanding till it serves 100 million pax/yr.

Tarun • an hour ago
To prove that CSIA doesn't even have the land for T2's second radial concourse, I selected the first radial concourse in Photoshop, flipped in horizontally, made the layer 50% opaque, and tried to overlap it where CSIA's planners hoped to build the second radial concourse. See what happens? Half the concourse and its apron is completely outside CSIA land, and even over a storm drain which floods each monsoon! What the F were the planners thinking?

Give us a brand freaking new H-type airport elsewhere in MMR.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby hanumadu » 19 Feb 2016 14:52

Isn't Navi Mumbai supposedly the second airport?

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Postby Vipul » 19 Feb 2016 16:28

Yes it is. The process to build the airport at Navi Mumbai has gathered steam with all clearances finally in place and tenders on the verge of finalization for leveling of land, cutting a hill and diverting a rivulet. GMR, GVK and Tata group are the final 3 for getting the deal with Hiranandani/Zurich airport consortium not making the cut.

For the airport in Mumbai city, GVK group knew about the limited availability of land for expansion of the airport (less then 1000 acres). The ultimate capacity of the airport is less then 45 Million flyers with just one fully operational full size runway. This is the reason we saw Delhi airport was bid more aggressively then BOM. The bidders there had 4000 acres to play with and could plan for handling 100 Million passengers with 4 full size runways.

What is pathetic is politicians (Congress) not allowing GVK group to remove slums on the airport land to build the full two piers as planned. The second tier construction had to be truncated at half the length and looks like a stump of an arm cut off midway.

The second airport is needed urgently as the present expanded capacity at the city airport will be utilized within the next two years. The situation is such that the first phase capacity of 10 Million passengers will prove inadequate at Navi Mumbai in the first year itself when it goes on stream in 2020!!! The ultimate capacity even at Navi Mumbai is only 60 Million Passengers. Circa 2035 Mumbai will be needing a third airport.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Javee » 24 Mar 2016 11:30

Wow, where art thou India flagged carriers??

Emirates officials informed the Ambassador about the study, conducted by the National Council of Applied Economic Research (NCAER), that the Emirates airline’s operations in India added $848 million to the country’s gross domestic product (GDP), supported over 86,000 Indian jobs and generated almost $1.7 billion in foreign exchange earnings in FY 2014-15.

http://www.uaeembassy-newdelhi.com/thee ... etsEAO.asp

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 26 Mar 2016 13:38

Ugly acts of overworked pilots are coming out from former pilots in UAE in wake of rus crash

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby ldev » 27 Mar 2016 23:33

^^
'Emirates crews extremely fatigued': Exhausted pilots tell RT of disturbing conditions - Also FlyDubai pilots reporting similar conditions.


RT is reporting on the story. I guess CNN, Fox, BBC etc. are under strict orders not to provoke the Arab coalition.......

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Postby Kannan » 28 Mar 2016 00:23

ldev wrote:^^
'Emirates crews extremely fatigued': Exhausted pilots tell RT of disturbing conditions - Also FlyDubai pilots reporting similar conditions.


RT is reporting on the story. I guess CNN, Fox, BBC etc. are under strict orders not to provoke the Arab coalition.......


Arab pilot screws up and crashes in Russia, and it likely won't be Boeing's fault - so not exactly top priority for the West in the middle of an American election and terrorism in Brussels. Pilot fatigue is one of those cliches that gets brought up after every single crash, nothing new, and quickly forgotten when people pick the cheapest ticket for the next flight.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby NRao » 18 Apr 2016 05:29

Very interesting:

20 years of growth: Why India's aviation industry is taking off

Watch the complete vid, seems a little disjointed, but interesting.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby chetak » 18 Apr 2016 07:59

Kannan wrote:
ldev wrote:^^
'Emirates crews extremely fatigued': Exhausted pilots tell RT of disturbing conditions - Also FlyDubai pilots reporting similar conditions.


RT is reporting on the story. I guess CNN, Fox, BBC etc. are under strict orders not to provoke the Arab coalition.......


Arab pilot screws up and crashes in Russia, and it likely won't be Boeing's fault - so not exactly top priority for the West in the middle of an American election and terrorism in Brussels. Pilot fatigue is one of those cliches that gets brought up after every single crash, nothing new, and quickly forgotten when people pick the cheapest ticket for the next flight.


The captain was not allowed to divert per company policy.

The ill fated flight, after it's first missed approach, was in a holding pattern over the airport for over two hours and other aircraft arriving at the same airport over which the ill fated flight was holding diverted and landed safely at an alternate airport.

The crew most likely mismanaged the second go around and crashed. Bad weather and fatigue undoubtedly played it's part as did the foolish no diversion company policy.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Suraj » 04 May 2016 00:28

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Suraj
What is SSC India? Apologies if it is too basic.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Suraj » 04 May 2016 09:53

Skyscrapercity.com India subforum . Some members here are also present there.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 04 May 2016 10:30

BIAL current capacity after the expansion is 20 mil..its going to hit it this year.
security is already a bottleneck in morning and evening rush hours. more are needed.
employs some 7000 people and sees some 500 movements per day.

they need to start work on the 2nd terminal real soon. land etc everything is in place so no hassles unlike mumbai.

a second approach road needs to be opened from the east where the Budigere cross road between devanhalli and whitefield passes really close to the airport - much closer than the Hyd NH....a few million souls living in east blr could have a shorter route via this channel if the road from whitefield is improved. the AERO manufacturing SEZ is also on this road, along with many other industries near whitefield.

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Postby Zynda » 04 May 2016 11:43

Apparently, they will start expanding T1A (again) soon (next year?) to increase the capacity to 22 Mil. More check in counters, security booths and additional baggage carousels. T2 will take time...not before 2022 I think, operations of phase 1 can start.

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Postby Singha » 04 May 2016 13:13

22 mil will barely buy them 1 more year :) QoS will decline , we might hit 22 before this expansion is completed.

the parking areas, bus adda need a big revamp...perhaps like most big airports have a central multi storey huge parking lot , with moving belts leading to arr and dep levels of the terminals (which in T1 is the same level :() - we need level separation in T2 for sure.

at present bus adda traffic crosses the pedestrians going to parked cars as you know....

the current far out parking areas can perhaps be a long term parking with permit upto a 4 weeks.

the hotel is unfortunately smack where this multi storey car park would be best located!

the honeymoon of being a small, neat, tier2 airport is over - they need to think and plan big now on the scale of mumbai and delhi...opening another route from devanhalli side would help even today...at present nobody much uses that route as it means another 20k loop extra via devanhalli in north and back down the NH

overall I am not seeing the level of integrated planning the whole setup needs. the approaches from NH should now have 1 lane extra for buses and trucks and get rid of the wiggy wiggy speed breakers.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Suraj » 04 May 2016 20:55

2015-16 passenger traffic growth has been very strong. Except for the two AAI dabbas (MAA and CCU) the rest are all reporting high teen or higher growth rates. In fact, looking at 2013-14, 2014-15 and 2015-16 traffic growth data is illustrative:
2012-13
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
When you look at the +ve/-ve YoY growth for each of the above one by one, it's clear that traffic (and economic) momentum is building. They should expect ~7-15% CAGR at some major airports for the next half a decade, and plan accordingly. For example, BLR at 8% annual growth is looking at 28 million passengers in 2021. This will probably be front loaded growth, i.e. it will be fastest first few years, so it will hit any capacity constraints faster than average CAGR projections estimate. Just 15% growth this year will put BLR at 21.5 million passengers for the current year. If they don't hurry up, BLR will just look like they shifted the old HAL airport a little further out of town :)

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Kakkaji » 04 May 2016 21:21

Passed through international terminal of the Delhi airport last month after 15 years. Reminded me of Heathrow (same shops etc), but with much better ambience and quality of service. Well done!

A CISF commando-type at the entrance to the immigration counters of the departure area, seemed very well-equipped and fit. Singhaji would have identified and admired his kit. :)

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 05 May 2016 07:10

T3 being the long arm design sure needs a huge walk...30 gates on either side after clearing security in domestic ... took me a long time on moving belts to get from gate32 to 55.

only issue was mosquitoes biting in the early morning. rascals must have wormed in via the departure hall or the aerobridges.

but I am not complaining .... more is always welcome in infra

Chennai could use a huge squat new behemoth of a gateway airport - in the style of brihadeswara or the ITC grand chola hotel.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Prasad » 05 May 2016 07:26

The new terminal in Mumbai is also shock n awe type onlee. It was excellent from what I saw. The departure area has some museum style decor. Very chic.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Kakkaji » 05 May 2016 21:59

Even the new Kolkata airport terminal is not bad. Way better than what CCU airport used to be. Staff still needs more training.

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Postby KLP Dubey » 06 May 2016 03:24

Prasad wrote:The new terminal in Mumbai is also shock n awe type onlee. It was excellent from what I saw. The departure area has some museum style decor. Very chic.


Mumbai T2 is in a different class altogether. One of the most beautiful terminals ever, and very tasteful unlike the trashy "bling" feel in other 'expensive' airports in Arab countries. Money can't buy class.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 06 May 2016 06:40

Mumbai has no more room for terminals and runways unless vote bank encroached colonies are evicted?

In delhi there is talk gathering pace of second apt in greater noida. Will need airport exp metro line to ship transit passengers to and fro.

Gmr would get right of first refusal per igi clause

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 06 May 2016 07:41

By cutting its operational expenses by almost 11 per cent, Air India has turned from a Rs.2,636 crore loss making unit in 2014-15 to a Rs.8 crore operational profit unit in 2015-16.

He also pointed out that Air India joined Star Alliance in 2014, which has helped it to integrate better with the international civil aviation market.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 06 May 2016 12:10

KLP Dubey wrote:Mumbai T2 is in a different class altogether. One of the most beautiful terminals ever, and very tasteful unlike the trashy "bling" feel in other 'expensive' airports in Arab countries. Money can't buy class.


Singha wrote:Mumbai has no more room for terminals and runways unless vote bank encroached colonies are evicted?


T2 is classy, no two ways about it and is big enough to handle the present passenger levels (~42 million), the security checks are professional and smooth and the terminal has ample space for the passengers to spread around. Considering the horror that was the old airport terminal, getting T2 up and ready is a mighty impressive achievement.

They could do however, with streamlining the immigration desks at T2. They are, to simply put it, quite terrible. There are plenty of counters but a perceptible lack of queue management. As far as I could see, there were no signage directing Indian and non-Indian passport holders to the relevant counters, could not even make out counters for business/first class passengers (maybe I missed them).

I do empathise with the immigration staff though; a casual observation told me that a considerable proportion of the Indian passport holders were travelling to Middle East (some probably for the first time) and many of were clueless on how to fill out the emigration and customs forms and were soliciting fellow passengers to help them. Often they would hold up one or more counters because of some misunderstanding or because they lacked the necessary documents.

T2 will soon need to be followed up by a T3, but given the space constraints at Mumbai airport and the overwhelming odds against expansion, perhaps a revisit of the Navi Mumbai airport project is in order.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

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There's daylight between passenger numbers for Delhi/Mumbai and Blr/Hyd. Wonder why is that.


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