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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby negi » 05 May 2009 22:40

For once the commie inside me wants to kick likes of Coke,Pepsi ,Mac-D and KFC out lets see who is at loss :lol:
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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 06 May 2009 09:48

Obama's tax proposal closes a loophole that MNCs have been exploiting. the cost of running their offshore center
is directly deductible from reported revenue (thats why indian offices are run as 'cost centers') which saves them
tax. the big MNCs now will have to pay $1-2b in extra taxes per annum for sure.

still, with the base cost of hiring a MS grad @ 100k if u include facilities , healthcare etc I dont see how spending $20K on a similar indian grad is not cost effective. the infra and learning systems already exists here
so its paid for.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby vina » 06 May 2009 10:46

Thanks Singhaji. Mr Obama made my life just a wee bit easier with his "closing the loop hole' proposal.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Vikas » 06 May 2009 11:27

Singha wrote:today was the day. all coffee machines, biscuits, coke refrigerators removed from the workplace. pantry was wearing a deserted look with just water and tea. next in line is having one variety of tea only and getting rid of the free magazines and newspapers.

and one more round of 'reorgs' is coming end of this week - expected YoY decline in sale is 20%

Honestly GD, How much money does it cost to run a pantry. Just one Gorilla not staying in Leela or Taj would save enough money to keep Pantry well stocked for few months :((

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 06 May 2009 12:36

drinking chocolate and tomato soup powder also gone :((

gourmet lemon and "english tea" replaced with one variety :mrgreen:

I am going to lose weight fast now without the cookies and krackjack biscuits ... :twisted:

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Dilbu » 06 May 2009 12:38

negi wrote:For once the commie inside me wants to kick likes of Coke,Pepsi ,Mac-D and KFC out lets see who is at loss :lol:

And bring in local, cheap and healthy kind of drinks. Kerala style buttermilk based sambharam for summer, anyone?

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Dileep » 06 May 2009 13:18

Sambharam made with water pumped from Periyar :twisted:

Some time ago, there was big campaign about the "pesticides and poisons" in the "colas". It was as if the cola companies are adding pesticides to the water. They are pumping up the ground water, purify and bottle. Meanwhile the trusted guvermand run KWA pumps up the periyar water, dumps some bleaching powder into that and distributes it via broken pipe network. The tap water anywhere in Kerala will have 1000 times more pesticides than the colas. Talk about humbug.

Even the coconut water (തവള മുള്ളാത്ത വെള്ളം: Water free of frog pee) have pesticides. Where do you think all those furadan used against 'mandari' gone?

The ONLY pure water is the one coming from a good RO filter. I believe the soft drink cos have them installed after all the noise. I don't get scared on these anyway. I suck in all kinds of chemicals through the air, and absorb through the skin and take with the food. Why should I bother about the water?

I happily drink my well water, the 'karingaali veLLam' from the eateries, coconut water, bottled water irrespective of brand. I never got sick. Even if I did, I wouldn't know what caused it.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 06 May 2009 13:46

Latest round of Microsoft layoffs may not be last

With Tuesday's second round of layoffs, Microsoft had made almost all of the 5,000 job cuts it had planned to make, including 1,200 local workers who were notified yesterday.

By Sharon Pian Chan

Seattle Times staff reporter

With Tuesday's second round of layoffs, which included 1,200 locally, Microsoft has made almost all of the planned 5,000 job cuts announced in January.

But there could be more coming.

In an e-mail to all employees Tuesday, CEO Steve Ballmer left open the possibility of more layoffs.

"As we move forward, we will continue to closely monitor the impact of the economic downturn on the company and, if necessary, take further actions on our cost structure including additional job eliminations," he said.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 06 May 2009 14:11

WSJ blasts Obama's next global tax raid as nothing but searching for revenue to patch the
gap

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1241576 ... lenews_wsj

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby vina » 06 May 2009 17:26

Whoa! Stale bread and water onree for lunch also for Mujahids at Gorilla , Singhaji ?. :| :| . Gorilla must have taken a hard kick in the balls to stoop to such lowly things as "cost cutting" , especially when such H&D is involved !.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 06 May 2009 19:51

gorilla has actually been not too particular for Echandee throughout its history. the salary is at the 75 percentile
never in the top rungs. most people in comparable cos earn more cash. similarly "perks" have always been quite minimal - in US there is no lavish gym, cookies and such. lunch has always been very less subsidized. cubes are plain vanilla. managers are encouraged to save money even in good times. test equipment for instance which is quite costly is never in a ample state. many employees are given a laptop rather than a laptop + desktop and in recent years one gets a laptop+monitor. purchase of Sun ultra workstations for developers has long ago stopped.
(when I joined a decade ago, a perfectly good ultra5 was replaced with a new ultra10 and massive 21" monitor
just because they could)

gorilla knows how to run a tight ship.

lunch is still pretty reasonable at 35/- for veg and 50/- for nonveg. a heaped plate of chicken biryani and some
salad / raita sure puts one in a good coding frame of mind.

more importantly there is plenty of customer feedback, talented engineers, good program managers, SVPs
who really can drill down to things and a strong pipeline of new products in many areas. there is also a
pipeline of A1 alumni engineers and managers who return after doing the startup thing for a while.

so in general the kabila is peaceful.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

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Re: Indian IT Industry

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby bala » 08 May 2009 00:10

Gorilla reported $1.3B profit on its latest quarter, it has $33.5B in cash in banks. All the biggies are still making profit and have huge cash piles in banks. The interest on the cash could fund many IDC operations for decades. Yet the big guys are using the recession as an excuse to get rid of their baggage. Down the road there will be a surge in hiring, the frenzy will catch up again. Obama's call for taxing offshore operations is facing huge resistance from Silicon Valley types. The republicans are crying foul. US companies are citing that foreign competitors have a huge advantage in their foreign operations and in order to compete they need the breaks. Will see how this plays out. Chrysler managed to walk away with $5B+ bailout money and claims it will not repay it back. AIG has swallowed $200B plus and someday it will announce that it can't repay back the amount and ask for writeof.

Talking about water & colas & coconut water, the best activated carbon is from coconut shells/husk. This stuff is used in odor eaters for shoes. Activated carbon is the best filter to rid water of its poisonous chemicals. Cola companies in Kerala can use the local coconut shells/husk activated carbon and filter their water supply, methinks.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby svinayak » 08 May 2009 04:55

Top-level executives remain immune to job losses

New Delhi (PTI) Top-level executives have managed to remain immune from any jobs losses, even as companies worldwide have issued thousands of pink slips over the past 10 months to workers mid-to-lower ranks, a report says.

According to an independent research firm Liberum Research, studying changes in top-management levels in listed companies, unlike most workers top executives have managed to keep their positions during these difficult economic times.

"While there are always high-profile executive changes and turnover in the top ranks of public companies, the majority of executives have continued to remain immune from job losses that so many others workers have faced or have been threatened with," Liberum Research said in a report.

This trend has continued now for well over 10 months," it added.

However, Liberum predicts that the top executive ranks would not remain immune much longer from the ongoing employment turmoil.

Liberum anticipates executive turnover would begin to rise as we move into the late spring and summer months.

The report stated that executive turnover numbers for April 2009 have remained slow compared with the same month last year.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby grip » 15 May 2009 01:38

I had my doubts on the Netbooks and Linux. Netbooks are currently having 30% return rates. My hunch, as stated before, is that people have very high expectations of them. They are NOT laptops.

The thing is, users always want more. And Netbooks cater to the minimum. Netbook limits in performance are quickly reached. Laptops just offer the extra room, should you need them.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5658010765.html
Meanwhile, Intel's most recent quarterly earnings report noted that revenue from its Atom CPUs was down 27 percent. This may suggest that netbooks are not as recession-proof as smartphones appear to be. The LinuxPundit blog noted another possible reason, stating that "ever-cheaper memory, storage and CPUs closed much of the notebook-netbook capability gap." Indeed, the CNET story notes that netbooks may be further pressured on the high end by new low-cost, ultra-thin notebooks referred to as Consumer Ultra-Low-Voltage (CULV) notebooks, which are due to arrive this summer.


One of the things that has always baffled me is why companies in India haven't made laptops from older processors.
Early Pentium 4 processors are based on 90nm process on 200mm fabs. It is still profitable if they produce it.
Pentium 4, 512MB RAM, 1/2 USB port, DVD drive, WLAN and a simple graphics card can all be put together for less than $150 today and can be sold with 25% margins.
Any reasons why this model wont work? There must be a reason.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Rishirishi » 15 May 2009 02:28

grip wrote:I had my doubts on the Netbooks and Linux. Netbooks are currently having 30% return rates. My hunch, as stated before, is that people have very high expectations of them. They are NOT laptops.

The thing is, users always want more. And Netbooks cater to the minimum. Netbook limits in performance are quickly reached. Laptops just offer the extra room, should you need them.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5658010765.html
Meanwhile, Intel's most recent quarterly earnings report noted that revenue from its Atom CPUs was down 27 percent. This may suggest that netbooks are not as recession-proof as smartphones appear to be. The LinuxPundit blog noted another possible reason, stating that "ever-cheaper memory, storage and CPUs closed much of the notebook-netbook capability gap." Indeed, the CNET story notes that netbooks may be further pressured on the high end by new low-cost, ultra-thin notebooks referred to as Consumer Ultra-Low-Voltage (CULV) notebooks, which are due to arrive this summer.


One of the things that has always baffled me is why companies in India haven't made laptops from older processors.
Early Pentium 4 processors are based on 90nm process on 200mm fabs. It is still profitable if they produce it.
Pentium 4, 512MB RAM, 1/2 USB port, DVD drive, WLAN and a simple graphics card can all be put together for less than $150 today and can be sold with 25% margins.
Any reasons why this model wont work? There must be a reason.



It is not possible to run the latest software on the older prosessors. Besides the slightly older processors are sold at a very good price.
When you start to add monitor, powersupply etdc, the price difference is not that great (if any at all)

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Ameet » 15 May 2009 04:34

Sun Microsystems admits to possible acts of bribery

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/post- ... -20090511/

Sun Microsystems has revealed they may have violated anti-bribery laws at an unspecified location outside of the United States.

The potential violations relate to “The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act”, which prohibits U.S. companies and companies whose stock is traded in the U.S., from bribing foreign government officials in an effort to gain new/expanded business.

While it is unclear what will happen to Sun, and while the company is not revealing specific details of the alleged actions, they did say the company “took remedial action” and alerted the Justice Department, as well as the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Investigations by both agencies have now begun.

Documents filed by Oracle last Friday stated also that the company knew of the possible violations before signing its agreement to buy Sun for an estimated $7.4 billion.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Nandu » 15 May 2009 05:45

grip wrote:One of the things that has always baffled me is why companies in India haven't made laptops from older processors.
Early Pentium 4 processors are based on 90nm process on 200mm fabs. It is still profitable if they produce it.
Pentium 4, 512MB RAM, 1/2 USB port, DVD drive, WLAN and a simple graphics card can all be put together for less than $150 today and can be sold with 25% margins.
Any reasons why this model wont work? There must be a reason.


Reminds of something that happened almost ten years ago. PCL (I think it was PCL) offered people nearly current spec computers at half the price. The catch was they had to wait six months. The company expected this to work because component prices were falling all the time, and they had picked a processor at the low end of the price range.

Came six months and time to deliver the product, the processor they picked was no longer in volume production. I think they ended up refunding all the money collected.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Neela » 15 May 2009 10:59

Nandu wrote:
grip wrote:One of the things that has always baffled me is why companies in India haven't made laptops from older processors.
Early Pentium 4 processors are based on 90nm process on 200mm fabs. It is still profitable if they produce it.
Pentium 4, 512MB RAM, 1/2 USB port, DVD drive, WLAN and a simple graphics card can all be put together for less than $150 today and can be sold with 25% margins.
Any reasons why this model wont work? There must be a reason.


Reminds of something that happened almost ten years ago. PCL (I think it was PCL) offered people nearly current spec computers at half the price. The catch was they had to wait six months. The company expected this to work because component prices were falling all the time, and they had picked a processor at the low end of the price range.

Came six months and time to deliver the product, the processor they picked was no longer in volume production. I think they ended up refunding all the money collected.


The reason I brought this point up is because of the financials of fabs. A new processor in a new fab is incredibly costly to produce because of low yield per wafer. As the technology matures, the yield increases and costs drop. Typically when Intel has its next technology ready, the existing procdution would yield upto 95% per wafer. At his point, the cost of production is actually in a few 10s of dollars per processor.
Now , for Intel it makes sense to switch to the next technogy node processor as early as possible as the margins are better.
Thats why, it would have made sense for Indian OEMs to target the older 200mm fabs which are no longer used. It would have been possible to negotiate for near rock bottom prices . That directly translates to savings in the product. Stripped down features can save more but you have a desktop or laptop that can do more than the basic things we need.
I cant think of costs going more than $100 - $150 dollars. At this price range, you should have a very decently priced PC for the Indian market.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby krishnan » 15 May 2009 19:53

Sathyam's new management wants to layoff 12000-14000 employees

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 15 May 2009 21:12

tis official: my stint on the eastern front - kharkov, kiev, smolensk , kursk, kuban , moscow, sevastopol, the azov sea front.... is coming to an end. dont know how many we put down -
all we know is smoke, death, cold and mud and sometimes getting to warm ourself near
lines of battered T-34 tanks that help us everywhere.

new orders from the top - our unit is relocating to Rome. peace, style, wine, food, women,
long lines of well kept trees, fountains, intellectual debates in the Forum vs loading lines of shells into the howitzer, bacannalian revelries, feasts, intrigue, passion, coruscant...the center of the federation.

goodbye to the rasputitza.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby sum » 15 May 2009 22:09

Singha sir,
Could you please explain in simble IT-vity language? Are you getting transferred to Planet of the Apes(Gorilla HQ a.ka. SJ)?

Bit weak in history and so the Q!!! :oops: :P
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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Raja Bose » 15 May 2009 22:11

What about you Rifleman Singha? Are you relocating with the youngsters to the fleshpots of Rome to begin a new chapter or are you planning to remain standing guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier in ye hallowed battlefields, thinking of the days past and the comrades gone? :)

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 16 May 2009 07:49

Sum, perhaps my choice of words was misleading. not rome, but constantinople - capital of the eastern roman empire , ruthless janissaries, blue mosque, whirling dervishes, a
aristocracy imported from the western roman empire, orthodox greek christianity,
constant wars with the persians and mongol raiders etc.

in short, I am coming to your patch.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Raju » 16 May 2009 08:03

Singha, are you coming or going ? :lol:

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 16 May 2009 08:39

depends on where you stand :lol: any tactical redeployment can be called "movement"

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby negi » 16 May 2009 09:12

:eek: So Bangaloru BRF meets wont be same as before but on a positive side the massa BRF camp will be rolling a red carpet for the greatest storyteller/gapaster to have posted on BRF. 8)

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Raja Bose » 16 May 2009 09:50

^^ oh, I didnt know sum ji is based is massa 8) . This implies Singha is coming to massa :shock: ....where are my IEDs for mubarak, where are my nubile khusboos to present, where are my raakits for phyrring in glee, where is my shalwar to soil in glee....hain??! Singha don't tell me you are coming to the Gorilla HQ in PRC! 8)

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 16 May 2009 09:52

*sigh* kids kids...running around in a panic at the thought of 1st armour div in peshawar when the engine starts in dilli.

I will be very much in blr (where sum is). the capital of the eastern roman empire was the clue as was "coming to your patch".

=> the shiny new borg hive on the ORR.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Raja Bose » 16 May 2009 10:07

^^^ aah! All this IED bumbari for nothing (TSP style! :mrgreen: ) Raakit-munna negi-uddin, please report to Kave Kamplex #420 for immediate halal debriefing and re-education :twisted:

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby sum » 16 May 2009 10:29

Singha wrote:*sigh* kids kids...running around in a panic at the thought of 1st armour div in peshawar when the engine starts in dilli.

I will be very much in blr (where sum is). the capital of the eastern roman empire was the clue as was "coming to your patch".

=> the shiny new borg hive on the ORR.

Singha-ji,
you were in the SDRE Divyashree chambers till now?

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 16 May 2009 14:30

no DC is stuffed with hr and finance types, plus newbies and leftovers of grps too weak to
get the first boat into campus. I am in another compound. its a leased facility and too expensive compared to campus

there are reports of a chi-chi daycare facility subsized by hukumat therein ... though time
will tell if recent downturn will change that plan. IBM/accenture has a tieup with a
facility known as YKOK (your kids our kids) in jnagar.

a really Munna kick was administered last week. a lot of people had car leases via the
co (yields massive tax break and scope for savings under many heads) yet used the
subsized innova transport for 1400 onree. now under new policy they can
either vacate the captain's chair in the innovas and drive themself or get no subsidy and
pay 6000 onree per month :mrgreen:

this should flush out many of the managerial 'lifer' types who wear the co t-shirt to their
weddings and always show their badge proudly.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Ameet » 19 May 2009 11:34

Google searching for staffing answers

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124269038041932531.html

Highlights:

Concerned a brain drain could hurt its long-term ability to compete, Google Inc. is tackling the problem with its typical tool: an algorithm. The Internet search giant recently began crunching data from employee reviews and promotion and pay histories in a mathematical formula Google says can identify which of its 20,000 employees are most likely to quit.

Google officials are reluctant to share details of the formula, which is still being tested. The inputs include information from surveys and peer reviews, and Google says the algorithm already has identified employees who felt underused, a key complaint among those who contemplate leaving.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Raja Bose » 19 May 2009 11:55

^^^ "under-used" eh? :-? Given how Google usually flogs its workers I wonder what is their definition of "under-used"? :mrgreen: It just looks like a convenient excuse for the old guard who have already cashed in their options to run away to other pastures and pursuits.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 19 May 2009 13:02

well as you know there is a rocky period for every employee in the 4-6 yr tenure stage. either
you stick around for the long term by accepting the drawbacks of the co or you find it not tolerable and move out.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby John_H » 20 May 2009 18:22

Inside Google London

Google has harnessed the power of the internet to change our lives. But could the world's most powerful company change the way we work, too? Simon Usborne discovers the power of free beer, table football – and office dogs

Speaking of which, it's lunchtime. Never has a work canteen been so enticing. Mountains of fresh salad stretch as far as the eye can see, while steaming joints of ham wait to be carved. As staff trickle in (they consult webcams from their desks to avoid the salivating queues), a chef lays out pastries that would make Escoffier drool. And it's all free! I make a beeline for the sushi counter and take a seat with Dave Burke.

Time to go. On my way out, I bump into a Googler called Elwood. He's wearing his security pass, complete with passport photo, on a collar round his neck. That's because he's a dog. He belongs to a chap called Ash. What's Elwood's job title? "General Morale Booster," Ash says. It's a cutesy coda to a day in which I almost feel as if I've been thrown into a Google washing machine. Perhaps I've been shielded from the reputed sinister underbelly of this beast of the internet, but I leave secretly wishing I were a Googler. It would be worth it just for the canteen.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 20 May 2009 19:39

lets see if these luxe benefits get sustained or reduced. definitely a new paradigm in employee benefits (at the cost of allegedly long hours)


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