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^^ nice, but behind paywall.
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India's series win will go down as the greatest in history - Ravi Shastri

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Nothing gives more satisfaction than beating the racist pricks masquerading as a nation of jolly-fellas (thanks to American pop-culture). I remember those days a decade and half ago, when a few of us here in BRF called out the Australians as low class and low talent sportsmen who are milking a system that was ruled by their ilk. Once that system is gone, Indian players can and will happily steam roll them. IIRC some of us got admonished by “genuine sports fans” who asked us to control our vitriol against the Australians and forget such talk due to our physiological limitations when compared to sturdy meat eating warriors down under

They might win again in future, but it will be because they actually tried. Not because India was subjugated by a system made for them. India has truly arrived.

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I'm disappointed to see the West Indies wallow in the basement. As a kid of the 80s, I remember how good they were winning everything in sight. Unlike the ugly uncouth Aussies, the Windies were popular as well. It's been a steep fall for about 30 years and no signs of waking up.
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Windies were no saints. They weren't like the Aussies, but they were incredibly hostile to visiting teams in their own way. The crowds used to yell in unison 'Kill him man!' and 'Hit him on the head man' while the likes of Holding, Garner and Marshall steamed in with rockets at you.

But in terms of setting up an entire atmosphere that brutalizes each visiting team, the Aussies are in their own class. You get told everywhere you're going to lose. As Ashwin says you're made to 'feel small'. Multiple English players have seen their careers end during and after an Ashes in Australia because they were too mentally traumatized to continue, e.g. Jonathan Trott.

As Craddock said, what chilled him most is that this team just did not look or act fearful, and that unsettled the Aussies in response.
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Today while watching the match I saw those tactics in full display. That's how they got mayank's wicket. Even when the ball was clearly hitting the bat and then the pad, they were aggressively appealing it and even referred it to the third umpire. It was clearly an attempt to unsettle the batsman. Sadly, Mayank got out the next ball.

This whole series has set a precedent. In the future, none of those scare tactics/psychological warfare is going to work.
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It seems pretty clear that the Aussies were good because they changed the paradigm of the game from sheer skill/talent and added bullying, sledging, intimidation into the mix. As they were white, no one objected. The technology was not good in the decades past, so they were able to get away with their blatant cheating.

Now there are good cameras everywhere and cheating will be easily caught. Social media is brutal and cheats are exposed and de-briefed :-D.

After Ganguly became captain, he infused a new steel in the players. Kohli came after him and Indian players now give it back and with something extra. Intimidation and cursing does not work, the Indian players just swat the next ball for 6. The Aussies instead of changing tack are falling back to their old tricks and are looking like a washed up bunch. They are exposed as cowards who run with their tails tucked in once their bullying is cast aside.

@Suraj, you are right about the crowds, but I was referring to the players. They were all very popular in India. I remember the 1983 series (when SMG hit his 236*).
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Suraj wrote:Windies were no saints. They weren't like the Aussies, but they were incredibly hostile to visiting teams in their own way. The crowds used to yell in unison 'Kill him man!' and 'Hit him on the head man' while the likes of Holding, Garner and Marshall steamed in with rockets at you.

But in terms of setting up an entire atmosphere that brutalizes each visiting team, the Aussies are in their own class. You get told everywhere you're going to lose. As Ashwin says you're made to 'feel small'. Multiple English players have seen their careers end during and after an Ashes in Australia because they were too mentally traumatized to continue, e.g. Jonathan Trott.

As Craddock said, what chilled him most is that this team just did not look or act fearful, and that unsettled the Aussies in response.
One can only imagine what they must have done to the lankans in the 90s. Heck ! So abusive was the austarlian treatment of Sri Lankans that even LTTE had to take a stand in the middle of a civil war in support of the Srilankan players ! As for Windies, reminds me the now infamous "We intend to make them grovel!" comment by the ever controversial Tony Grieg when West Indies were visiting England for a test series in 1975-76. This comment by a player of South African origin in a world engulfed in post Vietnam turmoil, racial riots and apartheid did not go well with the Windies. They unleashed the lethal force in form of Holding, Daniels and Andy Roberts. The end result was WI winning the test series 3-0 and ODIs 3-0, England was left with many bruises, near fractured skulls and a lot of introspection to do.

Off topic : Wonder how many $$ on top of regular pay and prize money pakis have promised the South Africans to get them agree to play 2 tests and 3 ODIs in pakiland.
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KJo wrote:@Suraj, you are right about the crowds, but I was referring to the players. They were all very popular in India. I remember the 1983 series (when SMG hit his 236*).
The players weren't that much better. They were popular yes, but very intimidating. They sledged too, in their own way. But their real viciousness was directed almost entirely at England. This is mainly a political thing between them, made worse by successive English captains saying the most distasteful nose stuck up in the air nonsense, e.g. a South African born Tony Grieg telling the press he'll make the Windies grovel. There's a famous incident where a major English player (Gatting ?) was beaten into submission with the slip cordon telling (Holding ? Marshall ?)
Cordon: Make him see the leather!
(next ball bouncer towards head)
Cordon: Make him smell the leather!
(next ball bouncer past face
Cordon: Make him taste the leather!
(hard hit to face)

They didn't do that to everyone. They did scare the daylights out of early Indian teams, like Wes Hall and Charlie Griffth and the horrific Phil Hughes like injury to Nari Contractor.
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KJo wrote:It seems pretty clear that the Aussies were good because they changed the paradigm of the game from sheer skill/talent and added bullying, sledging, intimidation into the mix. As they were white, no one objected. The technology was not good in the decades past, so they were able to get away with their blatant cheating.
The Aussies won a lot of matches because they were (i) good at the game, (ii) and got an extra edge with the cheating they did, (iii) along with intimidation of umpires, and (iv) racial and other forms of abuse of players by players and (v) spectators. . THanks to the expose of their cheating ways, it will be more difficult (but not impossible) for them to cheat in Australia, and impossible to cheat in a foreign country because the TV cameras will now be watching (it was a RSA player who alerted a South African TV guy to focus on CAmeron Bancroft who hid the sandpaper- otherwise Steve Smith would never have been caught). God knows how much cheating they got away with when playing in Australia. What they call sledging is abuse (racial or non-racial) and has no place in the game. Mohammad Siraj was absolutely right to complain about spectators calling him names. What business have the spectators abusing players of the opposing team other than to give their home side an advantage. Pretty sick that Aussies consider this OK- but to their credit the umpires and Aussie police did take action and eject 'fans'.
Now there are good cameras everywhere and cheating will be easily caught. Social media is brutal and cheats are exposed and de-briefed :-D.
THey will be easily caught outside Australia for sure- so they will behave. Inside Australia, their TV cameramen will still be 'patriots' and cover for their players.
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Suraj wrote:
KJo wrote:@Suraj, you are right about the crowds, but I was referring to the players. They were all very popular in India. I remember the 1983 series (when SMG hit his 236*).
The players weren't that much better. They were popular yes, but very intimidating. They sledged too, in their own way. But their real viciousness was directed almost entirely at England. This is mainly a political thing between them, made worse by successive English captains saying the most distasteful nose stuck up in the air nonsense, e.g. a South African born Tony Grieg telling the press he'll make the Windies grovel. There's a famous incident where a major English player (Gatting ?) was beaten into submission with the slip cordon telling (Holding ? Marshall ?)
Cordon: Make him see the leather!
(next ball bouncer towards head)
Cordon: Make him smell the leather!
(next ball bouncer past face
Cordon: Make him taste the leather!
(hard hit to face)

They didn't do that to everyone. They did scare the daylights out of early Indian teams, like Wes Hall and Charlie Griffth and the horrific Phil Hughes like injury to Nari Contractor.
Patrick Patterson hit Mike Gatting on the nose. There was a piece of his nose cartilage on the ball. His face was so swollen that upon landing in England, one reporter asked him, where exactly did the ball hit?

Living in the mid 90's in Oz, i remember how the Aussies treated the Lankans. Even before the team had landed in oz, they targeted Murali with the famous chucking scandal. The Lankans vowed revenge and had it sweet in the 1996 WC finals.

While we stayed in oz we never ever supported them. We quite frankly hated them (cricket team) not the people.
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KJo wrote:I'm disappointed to see the West Indies wallow in the basement. As a kid of the 80s, I remember how good they were winning everything in sight. Unlike the ugly uncouth Aussies, the Windies were popular as well. It's been a steep fall for about 30 years and no signs of waking up.
In Windies better paying/lifestyle sports have taken over like Athletics, Basketball and Football with access to US Universities and later endorsements.
Many even though based in US still represent their respective countries in Atheletics.
With arrival of IPL. Big Bash, Caribbean league it might change
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Rsatchi wrote:
KJo wrote:I'm disappointed to see the West Indies wallow in the basement. As a kid of the 80s, I remember how good they were winning everything in sight. Unlike the ugly uncouth Aussies, the Windies were popular as well. It's been a steep fall for about 30 years and no signs of waking up.
In Windies better paying/lifestyle sports have taken over like Athletics, Basketball and Football with access to US Universities and later endorsements.
Many even though based in US still represent their respective countries in Atheletics.
With arrival of IPL. Big Bash, Caribbean league it might change
I am told that professional sports in the US, be it football (American), basketball, Baseball etc is of an order of magnitude greater than Indian Premier League, Bigbash T20 etc. Would West Indian talented sports persons be tempted away from a sporting career in the US to switch back to cricket?
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nandakumar wrote:
Rsatchi wrote: In Windies better paying/lifestyle sports have taken over like Athletics, Basketball and Football with access to US Universities and later endorsements.
Many even though based in US still represent their respective countries in Atheletics.
With arrival of IPL. Big Bash, Caribbean league it might change
I am told that professional sports in the US, be it football (American), basketball, Baseball etc is of an order of magnitude greater than Indian Premier League, Bigbash T20 etc. Would West Indian talented sports persons be tempted away from a sporting career in the US to switch back to cricket?

West Indians only play either Baseball or Cricket. So you will see lots of players from West Indies (Carribbean) in all leagues of Baseball (Major, Minor, etc). but not that many in other sports.
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Suraj wrote:^^ nice, but behind paywall.
If you refresh the screen and hit the Esc key twice while it is refreshing, you may be able to read the article. Works for me in the UK!

There is an article in the Telegraph by Michael Vaughn, who after Adelaide, said he expected Aus to win 4-0. He had to eat humble pie and said that he had egg on his face!
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SBajwa wrote:
nandakumar wrote: I am told that professional sports in the US, be it football (American), basketball, Baseball etc is of an order of magnitude greater than Indian Premier League, Bigbash T20 etc. Would West Indian talented sports persons be tempted away from a sporting career in the US to switch back to cricket?

West Indians only play either Baseball or Cricket. So you will see lots of players from West Indies (Carribbean) in all leagues of Baseball (Major, Minor, etc). but not that many in other sports.
So not much of chance of revival of West Indian cricket, is that it?
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nandakumar wrote:
SBajwa wrote:

West Indians only play either Baseball or Cricket. So you will see lots of players from West Indies (Carribbean) in all leagues of Baseball (Major, Minor, etc). but not that many in other sports.
So not much of chance of revival of West Indian cricket, is that it?
IPL and cricket is also an option but Baseball is first option due to money involved.
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The Australian Board had sent an SOS to BCCI requesting that the Indians not to cancel or postpone the scheduled series due to covid as they needed money from Broadcasting to keep them afloat or they would have run out of funds to pay salaries!!!
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Here's a long form article relevant to discussion about Australian behavior and written by an Australian, discussing their aggressive win at all costs mentality and its nasty effects..

The Ugly Australian
The ugly Australian: the evolution of a cricket species
How did Australian cricket come to be synonymous with hostility, gamesmanship and verbal abuse? A year on from Sandpapergate, we explore a thorny subject
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^^^^^^^
@Vips ji

the aussies are no better than the pakis with their greed, whiny need and the behavior.

until they got blanked out by an almost rookie team, a lot of whom were carrying injuries into the game, an India team coming back after it suffered its worst overseas humiliation at Adelaide and no kohli, no bumrah, and no ashwin.

and still, they thrashed the racist aussies at gabba.

That's really got to hurt, both the aussie team and CA, no matter how much money that they made.
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If there is a team I hate more than the Paki team, it is the Aussies. I love to see them being ground to dust, even by the Pakis.

I noticed how complementary the comms were to Indian players this time, but it's just because they know what side of the bread is buttered. They need to be in the IPL to make a living. Fine. The BCCI needs to talk to CA to put a cap on the racism, "mental disintegration" and sledging that the players do. None of that must be allowed.
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Indians can now play hard and bouncy tracks and if we have a full strength bowling attack we can get the opposition out too on them. But we are yet to master swing and seaming conditions like England and NZ. It's not like they are much better than us but they are slightly better. So they prepare wickets that they give them the edge. They are afraid now to prepare the normal wickets they prepare for other visiting teams. Look at the low scores that even the home teams made the last time we toured England and especially NZ compared to the scores they make against other visiting teams.
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Is this a regular scheduled visit or scheduled after covid? Normally we tour Aus, Eng, Newzealand and SA every four years. This tour is after just two years. And we are touring England tour this July which would be after only three years since the last tour.
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KJo wrote:If there is a team I hate more than the Paki team, it is the Aussies.
No one can be worse than Napakis, not even if Cheenis take up playing cricket.
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KJo wrote:
SNIP.........

The BCCI needs to talk to CA to put a cap on the racism, "mental disintegration" and sledging that the players do. None of that must be allowed.
No it must not be done. That gives White Pakistanis too much importance. That just have to be beaten and beaten repeatedly.

Remember the last time Australia came to India. They were treated so harshly by TI that they had to cry uncle and went home a defeated side. That was the end of the Australian teams ability to do any thing to TI.

That is the way to deal with them. Or better yet, let them do all the sledging in the world and keep on beating them with plain cricket without taking the bait.
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hnair wrote:Nothing gives more satisfaction than beating the racist pricks masquerading as a nation of jolly-fellas (thanks to American pop-culture). I remember those days a decade and half ago, when a few of us here in BRF called out the Australians as low class and low talent sportsmen who are milking a system that was ruled by their ilk. Once that system is gone, Indian players can and will happily steam roll them. IIRC some of us got admonished by “genuine sports fans” who asked us to control our vitriol against the Australians and forget such talk due to our physiological limitations when compared to sturdy meat eating warriors down under

They might win again in future, but it will be because they actually tried. Not because India was subjugated by a system made for them. India has truly arrived.

Next: miraculous “discovery” of world class football players in India, within a decade after we take over FIFA’s economy
World class sports performance needs world class infra and facilities, sports federations that attract, groom and promote talent in every age group, coaches & coaching methods, and world class budgets to pay for all that. Team sports are another order higher in difficulty of getting to world class.

I'm constantly amazed to see that in France (a fair example of a developed country), even the smallest towns are equipped with multiple sports facilities. In denser areas like big city suburbs like the one I live in, within a 10 km radius I can count 6 synthetic turf floodlit football fields, 4 athletic tracks in multi-sport stadia, over a dozen indoor multi-sport arenas, 5 olympic swimming pools some with diving decks, umpteen skate parks, climbing walls, basketball courts, dojos, tennis clubs, golfs, equestrian clubs... you name it. I'm sure to have missed some places. Not counting facilities attached to schools & colleges, private clubs and hotels & resorts.

All municipal administrations routinely spend in creating & maintaining such facilities & coaches, and partly fund non-profit voluntary associations like the Archery club I belong to (and there are 3 Archery clubs near me). Sports federations are extensively penetrated with village, town, district level associations & clubs with regular training, coaches, meets & tournaments act every age group and geo level that trickle up high performers. Senior & veteran age groups have many many active participants which helps sustain & transmit a health sports culture. EVERY school kid signs up for 2 or 3 sports of choice outside school starting from age 5, train twice per sport during the week and often have weekend meets and local tournaments. Decades of such a well funded and managed systems functioning well will lead to mining olympic & World Cup winning athletes and teams. Its exactly that, mining, and is as expensive and as hard as mining diamonds & honing them. Contributes immensely to child development, life long health and keeps youngsters off the streets to some extent.

The suburban town I live in, conducts a Associations & Clubs fair every September where more than a 100, yes hundred, stalls are put up, each trying to attract and recruit new adherents, from popular sports to exotic ones like downhill mountain biking, motocross, paddle rowing, fencing etc etc make up 75% stalls, the rest for hobbies, crafts, DIY and other civic activities. Yearly fees are very affordable, thanks to massive investments already made plus running subsidies, ongoing funding and local sponsors. Its really amazing how entrenched and highly evolved the system is at grassroots level. And its also a huge business and an important part of the economy. If you wondered why Decathlon is a French sporting goods company, you know now :)

Most likely Australia has equal if not better facilities and systems. Compared to that, India has almost always been competing in David vs Goliath situations. Which leads to the superiority attitude that spills over into racism.

BCCI has got the big moolah (thanks to IPL money spinner and overwhelming public craze for cricket) to invest since a couple of decades, and have implemented a decent system outside Govt interference to achieve the results it did, even with players of India A team. In a quirky and complicated sport like Cricket, sometimes Indians prevailed through sheer grit. Now we are getting organized, rest of the world be warned :-D

Other sports in India that are able to follow this template even to some extent like Badminton have produced superb results. Football will be a far tougher sport to break into, will need a lot more time to have a Indian team that ranks consistently among the Top 20 in the world.
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looks like India will somehow save follow on! Sr players fail to bat. Sharma & Kohli look remorseless!
Dead pitch. England has piled up runs. Joe Root always does well in India!
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Time for Kohli to be relinquished of Captaincy. Sharma needs to be sent to a cricket camp to do more Net Practice.
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Kohli made 11 of 50 balls at 22 strike rate (1.4 RPO), slower than Pujara in Australia. He once dropped Pujara for slow scoring. The current run rate of Indian innings in 3.47 in spite of Ashwin's 8 of 50+ balls. I don't think the pitch is that unplayable. Perhaps they bowled way outside off to Kohli to stop him from scoring because I cannot imagine Kohli playing that slow for what ever reason. He is generally an aggressive batsman even when the chips are down.

We need to some how save this match and win 2 of the remaining three so we can qualify for World Test Championship in England this year.
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The team's a little undercooked after Australia. That's to be expected. A lot of things can't be done the normal way due to Covid restrictions. England had the chance to acclimatize and have a worthwhile warmup in their SL series . Most of the Indian team are returning from layoffs or injuries, and have been restricted from regular training due to protocols. Give them a match to find their bearings before making snap judgments.
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We could have made this into a three test or two test series, especially since we are using only two venues. BCCI greed knows no bounds. Our players really need the rest and time with family after the long IPL and Aus tours.

I just hope they don't prepare dust bowls for the remaining matches because the last two times we did, it backfired on us.

In fact, after the win we should have cancelled the tour altogether as we would have qualified for WTC. :D

I think the biggest affect covid 19 is having is on reverse swing as our players cannot apply saliva anymore. May be they will eventually figure out how to get the results with only sweat. Necessity is the mother of invention.
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It's not really necessary to get carried away by the matter. It's not the BCCI that likes tests, it's the ECB. BCCI would take a bigger IPL instead. The big three agree to play at least 4-test series among each other. Ashes is always 5 tests or more. That's why India only plays such long series against Eng and Aus. Even SA gets 3 tests onlee. It's simply a contractual matter. Maybe they could have cut it down, but they've instead chosen the clunky back to back tests at same venue approach instead.

If the team loses this test, so what ? It should motivate them to do better in the remaining ones. Eng are playing well, despite Anderson being unable to perform like in SL. We're doing ok. Rohit has had a run of low scores now, too bad they preferred him to Agarwal who's good on Indian pitches. Give Kohli a break - he's just back from family duty.

Aus vs Ind was a miracle series, please don't make the mistake of assuming the norm out of that, including in terms of captaincy capability. That series was a collection of near unbelievable performances. No one's won in Gabba in a generation. The last two teams to score 300+ on the last day to win were Bradman's invincibles during their 1948 Ashes, and the mighty WI in the mid 1980s - two all time great times at their best. We should all savour that series, but let's have some perspective here too - the team that accomplished that was a laughable wreckage of injuries, and those people are just making it back to office one by one. Yes we should strive to qualify for the WTC, but no need for pitchforks and gallows now.
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Why are Indian fans so jittery and panicky... Literally couple day of bad performances and you want to drop the captain, fire the coach and uproot everything.

Did you learn nothing after Adelaide?
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Suraj wrote:It's not really necessary to get carried away by the matter. It's not the BCCI that likes tests, it's the ECB. BCCI would take a bigger IPL instead. The big three agree to play at least 4-test series among each other. Ashes is always 5 tests or more. That's why India only plays such long series against Eng and Aus. Even SA gets 3 tests onlee. It's simply a contractual matter. Maybe they could have cut it down, but they've instead chosen the clunky back to back tests at same venue approach instead.

If the team loses this test, so what ? It should motivate them to do better in the remaining ones. Eng are playing well, despite Anderson being unable to perform like in SL. We're doing ok. Rohit has had a run of low scores now, too bad they preferred him to Agarwal who's good on Indian pitches. Give Kohli a break - he's just back from family duty.
All other test nations are only interested in us visiting their country because that is how they make their money. They are not too bothered if we cannot host them for what ever reasons, especially since its covid 19, they will be only too glad to sit at home.

The amount of cricket we play is way too much. One or more of our key players are injured by IPL itself. And with covid 19, they cannot even practice property. It is seen in our fielding in Australia where we dropped a number of catches. There is another IPL around the corner. I would rather see fewer matches but played to full potential. A clinical performance is a joy to watch. Flogging tired players eventually will turn into a farce. It seems even the players themselves don't know when tiredness catches up like it happened with Starc in the Aus series.

Any way, I did not find fault with our players. Just surprised Kohli played like the way he did. It's the schedule I hate. I hope they at least have the good sense to prepare a different kind of pitch for the second test. Imagine replaying this test again even if India gets to bat first this time around.
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The broadcasting proceeds are shared by both sides, so it does matter to them whether to nor the series happens regardless of where it is. Obviously there's more money in a home series than an away one.

The time to argue whether this series was inopportune was before it began. Right now it seems a little self-serving to claim it's a bad idea just because the team's down in the first innings.

I agree that we're behind England in terms of resource management during Covid. Australia aren't much better than us - they carried just 4 main bowlers through all the matches, by the end of which their much vaunted greatest ever Aussie attack came a cropper when it mattered most. I'd rate us better than Aus but worse than Eng in this regard now.
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Are you sure the broadcast revenue is shared? The telecasting rights are bid for all cricket played in India over a period of time. That includes IPL and bilateral series with all countries over a 4 or 5 year period. So not sure how money is shared with visiting teams.

We got 3 days to practice for this series.
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In the tied test India made 347 in 86.5 overs at 3.99 on the fifth day.
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