Hmm. Okay Anna. How about trying to "reduce" shame by not actually doing "shameful" things ?
Well, it's up to them to figure out how to do Machiavellian things without looking bad. Try the American way, bribe the media and even a war that killed 1 million civilians will look like liberation. It’s the same thing in Tiananmen, if only they had learnt proper modern crowd control methodologies. Things could have been different.
What I am trying to explain to you is, we Indians need to understand the concept of 'shame', saving face, image conscious or whatever you call it. You know how disgusted I get when my colleagues send me pictures of my fellow countrymen squatting and shitting in broad day light under the Delhi Metro and that too in droves. Damn, I have been to many third world countries, but India is the only place where people can just take off their pants and shit right in front of you under the engineering marvel Delhi Metro. At least in other countries, people do it behind some sort of enclosure or bushes or even dig a hole. The worst thing is even the women do it, SHAME? FACE SAVING? DIGNITY? IMAGE? Do we have any dignity when our mothers and sisters have bare their asses and pee in public? And all you could do is tell me how a young girl is miming in the Olympics as shame?
How do you think I feel? But of course don’t overdo it like the Chinis to the extent of hiding certain things. I can say Chinis and Yindoos are two extremes, one extremely image conscious, one is just plain shameless. We need to get the balance right.
True. True. "Best Olympics" surely. Best because they spent $50b?. Because they were so concerned that they had to have Faking scandal over girl who sang in the opening ceremony
because the original singer was not "cute enough" ..oops have to save face onree.. ? Best olympics becuase most of Bejing folks and others were "advised" to watch the spectacle on TV and not actually participate and the venues were packed with carefully screenened and "fully minded" sheep ? Dont sound like the "best" olympics to me. Yeah. But what would I know. Nice TV spectacle and $50b spent so best as the propah ganda of the Chi com folks would tell you.
So what does a girl singing in Olympics got to do with the performance and coordination and resource planning into one of the best Olympics ever? Dude, it’s their problem if they wanted to choose SRK or Jackie Chan to sing. Putting down a grand effort and hard work to just a little girl singing is just plain prejudice. You do know the entire Aussie choir during Sydney 2000 was miming a recorded tune right?
Well, they put an effort in screening proper people before letting them in, that’s a little too much in my opinion, but it is this kind of attention and determination that ensured a good Olympics.
Of course as usual they are overdoing it. But can you ignore the fact that the Olympics was orderly, well executed and people were safe? Isn’t it a bit racist to call people sheeps? Imagine if a gazillion Chinese flooded to the venues due to Olympic fever….what would have happen if one bomb exploded? Sometimes, I think westerners scrutinize China too much due to the Communist label, but time and time again, they had defied conventional logic. If India hosted the Olympics, I couldn’t imagine the crowd control, it will be like the daily commuter train scene with people crowding until the train doors.
If they do screening to ensure safety and proper crowd control, it’s a commendable effort, can India do the same? We can’t even finish simple sport venues for god’s sake let alone plan, execute and coordinate this mammoth undertaking. Until the day we can proudly organize an Olympics, I think we shouldn’t sound like a sour grape. Again, do you know what the 50 billion were spent on? If you did some research you would have noticed that the bulk of it was into infrastructure that was to be upgraded and built , regardless of whether they were hosting an Olympics.
The question is very very simple, CAN INDIA HOST AN OLYMPICS? The day my Bharat can do it....You can say anything about China, and I will sing the tune with you. Answer this simple question thamby.........
Err. Isn't murder and oppression fundamentally wrong and inhuman ?. Oh. I see for saving "face" and "reducing shame" , that is fine I suppose. How about not doing it in the first place and not having "shame", rather than do it and then cover ?.
I think I prefer TALKING to DOING , if what they are DOING to Tibetans is some kind of standard you want to hold countries and people to.
If we had done something about the madrassah, the naxalites, we wouldn't have a third of our country under threat. Constant riots, hartals whatever protest by almost every organized form of human. I am not calling for murder, they want to kill rebels, its their problem.
I don’t like them killing Tibetans, but if Kashmiris want to carve out my Bharat, I don’t mind silencing their key personnel. It’s a war you know thamby, nice guys finish last.
Err. I dont think the kids that drank Sanlu milk and the adulterated medicine folks would particularly agree with the well fed and neat and tidy part of it.
Again, what makes you think it isn't happening in India? I have seen how milk men dilute milk with melamine too. The point here is they have a problem with quality control, but that doesn't diminish their commendable effort in reducing hunger, providing housing and uplifting the poor. Do I need to remind you of our severe hunger situation and yet we still export wheat? I was always wondering how we manage to feed ourselves with 200 mil tonnes of grain for 1.2 bil people. China needed 500 mil tonnes of grain for 1.3bil people and yet they are afraid of food security. See the concept of determination, urgency and strategic thinking?
Again, for the pharma sector, you pay what you get, there are fakes, they are good ones. You must understand the bulk of Indian pharma active ingredient is imported from CHINA.
As for "cheap housing" by "clearing slums" I dont think the slum dwellers had any particular say in the business at all. And of course, one should look to see how many "former slum dwellers" actually got to live in the new shiny towers that got built in their at the sites where their former bull dozed homes stood.
OK, we can do it the DEMOCRATIC way and see how another Dharavi is created. Do you have a sense of shame? When people call my countrymen SLUMDOGS? You know how pissed I get when my kid goes to school and a white boy calls him SLUMDOG.
I think it is more important to be able to look at your face in the mirror and see if you like it, rather than "save face" in front of tourists !
Tell taht to the investors and people that bring in 100bil USD to their tourism industry. thats 2-3 times bigger than our ITES combined. ITES includes BPO and callcenters btw.
err.. I do have an idea of how tiny Singapore is . I have actually lived there. But , despite your long winded explanation about China's "Need to save face and Shame" , I havent been able to make out why Singapore has more visitors than India! . Last time I looked, they were two separate countries separated by around 3000 kms or so !
Good you have been there. I am there NOW. Seriously are you really that shameleess? How can a country as big as India get less tourist than TINY SINGAPORE? Please use some logics!!! There must be something wrong about the condition and the perception people get. Understand why image is so important? It makes money DDUHHH!! God, you really need to think beyond democracy is good and taht it can make India a SUPPAPAWOH just like taht. It's plain hard work, determination and planning!!!
Ahh. Virtues of criminal behavior. Sure.. sure..
Well, say that when we can send someone to space. I was shaking my head when I see how Russians are making us suckers with Gorky. The Chinis took the effort to tow the Varyag few thousand kilometres around the Cape of Good Hope, bribing countries and deflecting American sabotage just to dissect and learn how to make an aircraft carrier. Our indigenous carrier needed steel from Russia.
Our bandraworli, engineering marvel of the century needed Chinese high tension cables, our BHEL needed Chinese HV transformers.
Ah.. Sort of put your foot into your mouth haven't you ?. If they can "make everything" as you claim, why will they need to pirate and steal stuff ?
. Sure they make a lot of great stuff like DSP chips and processors like God Son or God father or whatever (just google the sordid story behind relabling the chips for that).
Well, they really can make everything now. It's not the most advanced ones. They can make LCDs but maybe not LED TVs, that's why they need to keep on stealing or maybe in the future researching their own, well it's their problem. Comprehendo? And yes I knew about the DSP scandal, but the Loongson is not bad. The team that designed the Loongson created the compiler for Itanium. Again, that makes you think our R&D has no scandal?
As far as I can see, they haven't been able to come up with anything of consequence besides commoditized stuff with generic knowledge . For all their noises in high tech and everything , even with companies like Huawei , their strengths have been manufacturing and cost based stuff in generic areas . Nothing path breaking or innovative or a gold standard in quality and excellence. Go on.. point to me 3 areas /products where they are absolutely the top drawer/ best in anything (high tech, general industry , services etc)
The world's first 4G network was created by them. Huawei became the world's largest patent applier last year according to WIPO.http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/16/china.swine.flu.vaccine/index.html
The world's first commercial H1N1 vaccine was created by Sinovac.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123172034731572313.html
The world's first hybrid plug in, commercially produced
and on the road
. And this company produces some of the longest range, fastest charging electric batteries in the world. Ask big bro Warren Buffet. Funny this company is also China's 3rd largest patent applicant according to WIPO.http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-04/16/content_7684702.htm
Read it. I am lazy to explain. That's why BHEL wants to collaborate.