Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 18 Oct 2010 06:33

Satya_anveshi wrote:to me this sounds most absurd concept - a club of rape victims celebrating their collective rapes with the master given central place?

Boss, Patel and Nehru felt the very same way you feel regarding the Commonwealth, if my interpretation of the literature that is floating around is any authority. In fact, Nehru for all his bonhomie with Mountbatten and the western culture wanted to get the eff out of this imaginary idea of Commonwealth and what not, at least to a certain degree. Nehru comes across as a confused post-modern Indian while Patel comes across as placing the traditional part of India above its immediate needs. The tensions were obvious and no amount of soothing from the Mahatma could have healed these diverse viewpoints.

On the other hand, the british for whatever silly^1 reason wanted to hold on to the Commonwealth. This was a serious downgrading from what Churchill held as his visions for the British Empire. From my understanding, which has been forged by the following three books, Churchill never forgave Attlee for these "transgressions":
The last thousand days of the British empire: Churchill, Roosevelt, and the birth of the Pax Americana --- Peter Clarke
http://books.google.com/books?id=Dbc5eI ... CCoQ6AEwAw
Gandhi and Churchill: The Rivalry That Destroyed an Empire and Forged Our Age --- Arthur Herman
http://books.google.com/books?id=s9_gAA ... CCcQ6AEwAA
The magic of Indian cricket: cricket and society in India --- Mihir Bose
http://books.google.com/books?id=X8HQiM ... &q&f=false

I made two x-posted posts on this matter. Please see: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3336&p=920721&hilit=mihir+bose#p920721

Singha posted this on why we should be in the Commonwealth: http://www.slate.com/id/2268989/ I am not too impressed by these reasons. The only realistic pro of sticking around with the Commonwealth (I can think of, that is) is to steer this exclusive club into a Pax-Indica in some sense, whether that sense is trade, foreign affairs, Anglais-speakers, Afro-Asian bonhomie, etc. is left to posterity. Ministry of Trade and the South Block think almost exactly along these lines, here is the latest uvacha: http://telegraphindia.com/1101017/jsp/b ... 066245.jsp
The obvious stumbling block is that the Commonwealth is a gora face in what is now the anglais-speaking world. The resistance towards transforming the Commonwealth into a trading block, let alone a FTA, is going to be huge. I think we should leave it to our much-maligned babus to do the needful in this matter. The vision is there, we should nt leave the Commonwealth till we get a better shot at steering this forum into OURS. Our paki-centric foreign policy approach has left a huge vacuum in terms of what we can easily gain in our near-abroad: the Afro-Asian post-british space and the Indian subcontinent minus pakistan are the most obvious blackholes. Slowly, but steadily, the South Block has been trying to fix this malady. The resistance again is HUGE, and the elephant needs a swift kick up its posterior.

PS: All that said and done, I am pissed at how the thaparites such as Ramachandra Guha have stolen the chronicling of Indian sport history by their Dalit pissing contests. I know that Daleets have been left out in what is India's progress to a more egalitarian society etc., but to make Palwankar Baloo the central piece of his supposed magnum opus (A Corner of a Foreign Field: The Indian History of a British Sport --- http://books.google.com/books?id=PxCie1 ... CD0Q6AEwBA ) is a serious and a bloody serious tragedy. This is NOT history, but hagiography at its worst. In any case, my takleef extends far beyond Ramachandra Guha and his fellow-comrades. I am more pissed because sports history chronicling goes far into my family, and these oiseaules have misinterpreted history to suit their secular needs.

Footnote 1: It is hard to term the idea of Commonwealth as "silly", at least as seen from the gora viewpoint. For that, one has to look at how Oz and NZ formed a federation in 1901+. Oz had always branded itself as the vague rebel in the family, but NZ not so dramatic a rebel. Despite all that rebellion, Oz still sees itself as an extended limb of the Anglo-Saxon past. Canada changed its national flag from what looked like an Oz-NZ-Fiji-Tuvalu counterpart only in the mid-50s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Canada). The point being, all these dominions forged a distinct "national" identity only very recently (Oz with Bodyline and ANZAC troops in Gallipoli etc.). And whatever national identity has been established now is seriously confusing to their own peoples (confusion regarding Quebec in Canada, the future of monarchy in Oz, etc.). The idea of unity amongst the british dominions quantified by a sporting spirit (forged in the 20s and 30s by the Canadians nonetheless) sounded like a seriously good idea to hold on to the cultural thinking space of Pax-Brittanica. In the post-WWII phase, with Roosevelt's desperate need to cut down the British Empire, this was like a last gasp effort at holding on to something far less dramatic than what could have been.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Carl_T » 18 Oct 2010 07:12

Lalmohan wrote:meanwhile, apart from all that sport/shoart bijnej
i am still getting over the two lal-chicks during closing of opening ceremony


which?

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Bade » 18 Oct 2010 07:40

Well at least in the context of the games, obviously participation in CWG helps as preparation since Auz/Eng/NZ/Canada are still benchmarks which add value. Once we consistently make the top3 at the Asian level and top10 and higher at the Olympic level, it may be time to pull out of CWG entirely. Till then we use it to hone our sports skills. No harm in that. Got to be practical too while planning for power and domination. Since we are not going to stop planning to participate at Olympic Games and Asian Games, what is the point of getting out now from CWG ? Still have to face the same racists bigots wherever we participate at the international level.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 18 Oct 2010 08:39

Since Barkha Dutt is very much detested in this forum, and mostly with good reason, I won't post her article about the Commonwealth games. But it is actually quite deep, lucid and eloquent. Give it a chance. It's in the Hindustan Times under "Columns" or "editorials", probably yesterday's (Sun Oct 17th) article. You'll find much to agree with and respect.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Singha » 18 Oct 2010 08:59

I have good/bad news - Ramachandra guha has been offered a endowed chair professorship in history and foreign relations in LSE.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Satya_anveshi » 18 Oct 2010 18:15

Stan ji,

Thank you so much! I will digest this and post follow ups.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Rahul M » 22 Oct 2010 23:51

thread will remain open for the time being in case any post has been mistakenly moved to the CWG corruption thread. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5708

if so, kindly cross post it.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby ajit_tr » 23 Oct 2010 12:11

Now nine Aussie athletes test positive for methylhexaneamine
Melbourne: Nine Australian athletes have tested positive for banned stimulant methylhexaneamine and some of them could be from the Commonwealth Games squads.

The authorities have not revealed the identity of the athletes but they did not rule out CWG athletes as being among those who returned positive tests, a media report claimed.

"It is believed NRL and AFL players may have also been among those who tested positive in what could become Australia's biggest doping scandal," a report in the 'Daily Telegraph' said.

According to the report, the testing period is believed to have covered this year's NRL and AFL grand finals and pre-and post-Commonwealth Games periods but not the 10 days of Games competition, which was covered by international anti-doping authorities.


Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/commonwealt ... e-61768?cp

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby ramana » 02 Nov 2010 01:42

CWG Social Dividend

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CWG's social dividendNovember 02, 2010 2:08:20 AM

A Surya Prakash

Most of India’s winners at the recent Games are from Bharat. They have shown what commitment can achieve for them and their nation

The collective sigh of relief at the eventual outcome of the Commonwealth Games has once again brought to the fore the stark reality that be it war or sports, the country’s honour and prestige often ride on the shoulders of unassuming young Indians from small towns who put the nation before self as they aspire to be the world’s best. That is why it will not be inappropriate if we say that while India hosted the Games, Bharat took the medals.

Overcoming the most trying social and economic problems, young men and women from rural India came up with spectacular performances in the just-concluded sporting event and redeemed the nation’s image after a bunch of corrupt and incompetent sports administrators brought ignominy to the country in the run up to the Games.

These Games have thrown up dozens of heroes. It will not be possible to name all of them for want of space, but here is a sample. Among my heroes are Ravi Kumar of Behrampur, Odisha, who took the gold medal in the 69 kg category in weight-lifting; Manoj Kumar (Kaithal), Paramjeet Samota (Bhiwani) and Suranjoy of Manipur, the three golden boys of boxing; and, Anil Kumar, Sushil Kumar and Sanjay Kumar, who took the gold in wrestling.

Ravi Kumar trained at Veer Hanuman Club, a ramshackle gymnasium with minimal equipment at Behrampur. The son of an Anganwadi worker, he pursued his dream to attain glory in weight-lifting without sponsors or Government support. Despite these shortcomings, his mother egged him on to pursue his goal. The others in this list have similar stories to tell. Many of them stayed in the field because of unflinching support from parents and brothers and valuable encouragement from the State of Haryana after their potential became known.

The stories of young women from small towns who did us proud are even more heart-warming. Deepika Kumari, the daughter of a tempo driver in Jharkhand, bagged two gold medals in archery; Renu Bala Chanu of Manipur, who hails from a family of daily wage earners, trained to win a gold medal in weight-lifting; and, Krishna Poonia, who took the gold in discus throw, hails from a farmer’s family in Haryana.

Krishna Poonia has had to overcome many obstacles to achieve this feat. She too had no sponsors. Her husband Virender Singh, who doubles up as her coach, funded her training in Oregon, US. She had to stay away from her son for months during her training sessions and international competitions.

Among the States, Haryana and Punjab account for 40 per cent of the medals and this speaks a lot for the encouragement that is available for sportspersons in these States. Haryana’s efforts in building sports infrastructure across the State and providing valuable scholarships to sportspersons with national and international potential is worthy of emulation by other States. The State’s Chief Minister, Mr Bhupinder Singh Hooda, was first off the mark announcing cash awards for medal-winners, but what is noteworthy is the cash awards he announced for the coaches.

This also brings us to the main impediment to the growth of sports in the country — our obsession with cricket. Even though the media offers lip sympathy to other sports, the media itself is guilty of having a cricket fixation. The most glaring example of this was the top billing that television news channels gave to India’s success in the Mohali Test match against Australia on a day when Indian sportspersons were bagging gold medals in the Games. This was repeated yet again when India won the Test series at Bangalore. That day India bagged three gold medals at the Games but our gold medalists had to share space with our cricket heroes on television.

The media was not wrong in focusing on the corruption and inefficiency that plagued the CWG management in the months preceding the Games. Mr Suresh Kalmadi and others in the Organising Committee, as well as the other agencies, must account for the money spent on the Games and the inquiries instituted by the Government must be completed at the earliest.

But what was ignored amidst the allegations of corruption was the fact that our sportspersons were rigourously training at various camps and participating in international events thanks to a special allocation of Rs 678 crore by the Union Government to prepare them for the event. This initiative eventually paid dividends but since the media was looking elsewhere, everyone was pleasantly surprised when India bagged 101 medals and took the second place in the medals tally.

Those who wish to crack the mystery of India’s medals’ bounty may find useful clues in the last item of expenditure. As it now turns out, the money allocated to sports federations appears to have been a worthwhile investment. Those federations which used these funds judiciously to hold training camps, hire good coaches, provide international exposure to sportspersons and to buy equipment to enhance their training and performance, have certainly given a big boost to sports in the country.

A post-CWG audit of the work of each federation will enable us to understand the kind of sports infrastructure that we need to put in place. Everyone is aware of the critical role that sports plays in fostering national unity, but little has been done by way of public policy to promote sports.

The creditable performance of our sportspersons has given us an opportunity to correct this. If India is to become a global sports superpower, the Government will have to go beyond ad hoc allocations. The Union Government and the State Governments together make an annual provision of Rs 1,000 crore or more for the promotion of sports. This is indeed a drop in the ocean because the Union Government itself has an annual expenditure budget running into several lakh crores of rupees.

When the CWG ended, as many as 21 women had bagged gold medals. Since a majority of winners come from rural India, their successes will have a significant spin-off on the future of the girl child. A society that is grappling with the problem of female foeticide and a wholly unacceptable gender ratio, especially in northern States like Haryana, must grab this opportunity to ensure a better deal for the girl child. This is the critical social dividend that will come our way if we were to pump in more funds for sports.




A very good prespective.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Murugan » 09 Nov 2010 16:24

Last week haryana CM felicitated all haryanvi sportsperson

CWG

Gold Medalist = 15 Lacs cash
Maruti Suzuki SX4
101 Kg desi Ghee

Silver Medalist = 10 Lacs
Maruti Suzuki SX4
50 kg desi ghee

Bronze Medalist = 5 Lacs
Maruti Suzuki SX4
25 kg desi ghee

Central Bank of India also awarded cash to medalists.

Hooddaji promised to give Rs 2 crore cash for London Olympic Gold Medalist from Haryana
1 Crore for Silver Medalist
50 Lacs for Bronze medalists

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby jamwal » 19 Nov 2010 00:34

Great !
I hope these promises are fulfilled for real. What about other states ?

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Murugan » 19 Nov 2010 15:17

jamwal
these are not promises.

these goodies were distributed under full media glare. Cash money was given in a transparent plastic bags, a symbolic key of SX4 and ashirwad by CM to all the players individually. Only thing they did not show was desi gheer.

A good gesture indeed.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby jamwal » 19 Nov 2010 17:32

Awesome and worth emulating everywhere.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby rahulm » 19 Nov 2010 18:55

All very good but why the huge quantities of desi ghee?

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Murugan » 19 Nov 2010 20:07

you ask a jatt about desi ghee and buffalo milk. you will know the importance. or read kapil paji's interviews you will find the answer.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby SBajwa » 20 Nov 2010 22:47

All very good but why the huge quantities of desi ghee?


Desi Ghee, Badam (Almonds), Dhoodh (Milk), Chuharee (dried date) are the diet of Pehelwaan.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Prem » 21 Nov 2010 07:08

Eno Desi Ghee di takat da nahi patta :evil:
20Kg of Desi ghee has the strength of stopping 120Km an hour train.

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Pratyush » 25 Apr 2011 14:35

Was looking for the CWG curruption thread, but could not find it. So postinf here,

CWG scam: CBI arrests former Games chief Suresh Kalmadi

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby Sunilchurchill » 29 Apr 2011 04:37

Have his assets been frozen..and heavy fines been levied on Kalmadi...or is he going to be sent to a desi club fed for a nice vacation paid by the taxpayers and keep all his wealth intact...

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Re: Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Postby krisna » 20 Jan 2012 18:30

Kalmadi refused to resign
Indian Olympic Association (IOA) president Suresh Kalmadi, who was freed on bail on Thursday after nine months in jail, is in no mood either to resign or re-assume his charge and has asked acting president Vijay Kumar Malhotra to continue in his prolonged absence.

In a letter to Malhotra on Friday, Kalmadi said that a long legal battle and parliamentary commitments will keep him away from the IOA for a long time.



no shame or ethics.
No one in IOA seems to be bothered.


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