The Indian National ID Card Project

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby RamaY » 11 Jul 2010 22:52

Tanaji wrote:
RamaY wrote:^ Isn't Christianity the most modern, intellectual, benevolent, and only-good religion with no superstitions?

So both Muslims and Christans have panga with national-id....


Er, a sample size of 3000 hardly leads to the conclusion you have arrived at.


Tanaji garu,

3000 makes it a "religious "minority and oftentimes key projects/programs of national interests were cancelled to satisfy minority interests. The point that a mere 3000+ people organization has the guts to say no to national-id "on religious grounds" explains the problem.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Pranay » 12 Jul 2010 04:34

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 156803.cms

The move to slash the budget of the unique identification programme by Rs 4,000 crore may not only sink the ambitious project, it could end up crippling Congress's high priority social welfare agenda — the proposed Food Security Act.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Vipul » 29 Jul 2010 21:13

Mahindra Satyam-led consortium bags UIDAI contract.

A consortium led by Mahindra Satyam - Morpho, Accenture and L1 Identity Solutions have bagged the contract to implement the core biometric identification system for the 'Aadhaar' programme of UIDAI.

The initial phase of the contract will run up to two years and a total of 200 million residents are expected to be de-duplicated by a combination of the three Biometric Solution Agencies in the first stage of the program.

"The entire selection process was completed in record time of three months and many new international benchmarks, including one of the lowest prices for de-duplication have been achieved," Unique Identification Authority of India spokesperson Awadhesh Kumar Pandey said.

He said the multi-modal system and allocation of de-duplication transactions among the three agencies based on the performance of each system is being attempted for the first time in identity resolution systems anywhere.

The scope of work for the Biometrics Solution Providers will include the design, supply, installation, commissioning, maintenance and support of multi-modal Automatic Biometric Identification Subsystem (ABIS) and multi-modal Software Development Kit (SDK) for client enrolment station, verification server, manual adjudication and monitoring function of the UID application.

These functions would go into creating the ability of UIDAI to ensure de-duplication during the allotment of UID numbers based on the biometric information collected from the residents.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby vipins » 07 Sep 2010 15:54

The process of issuing UID numbers would be launched within a few weeks from multiple locations in the country. The numbers would play a key role in getting government services and targeted benefits of government welfare programmes, Nandan Nilekani, chairman of Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI), said in Bangalore on Monday.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Krishna_V » 07 Sep 2010 20:46

PDS to use UID

From October, Public Distribution System (PDS) in Hyderabad is set to become hi-tech.

The ration shop dealers will use bio-metric device, which will be supported by unique identification number that will be issued for each citizen in the coming days, for delivering the commodities.

The process of issuing unique identification (UID) for each person, is expected to begin in the city from next month. Officials of civil supplies department told Express that each ration card holder will be given a smart card, which will have the details of the UID, fingerprints and others details of all the members of the family. Whenever a consumer comes to fair price shop, he should submit the smart card, which will be inserted into the biometric device.



http://expressbuzz.com/cities/hyderabad/pds-to-go-hi-tech-in-hyderabad/201912.html

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby krisna » 08 Sep 2010 07:06

Creepy Biometric IDs to Be Forced Onto India's 1.2 Billion Inhabitants
Fears about loss of privacy and government abuse abound as India gears up to biometrically identify and number its 1.2 billion inhabitants.

In September, officials from the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI), armed with fingerprinting machines, iris scanners and cameras hooked to laptops, will fan out across the towns and villages of southern Andhra Pradesh state in the first phase of the project whose aim is to give every Indian a lifelong Unique ID (UID) number.

But a group of prominent civil society organizations are running a Campaign For No-UID, explaining that it is a "deeply undemocratic and expensive exercise" that is "fraught with unforeseen consequences."
Participants in the campaign include well-known human rights organizations such as the Alternative Law Forum, Citizen Action Forum, People's Union for Civil Liberties, Indian Social Action Forum, and the Center for Internet and Society
Whatever good is done these so called HR screw up things.
A meeting was organized by the campaigners in New Delhi on Aug. 25 where speakers ridiculed the idea of a 12-digit number, and said it is unlikely to rectify, for example, the massive corruption in the public distribution system that is supposed to provide food to poor families.( This is not the problem of UID but of corruption)

J.T. D'Souza, an IT expert, asserted at the meeting that the use of biometrics on such a massive scale has never been attempted before and is bound to be riddled with costly glitches. just because it is not done elsewhere it should not be attempted in India :roll:


Other speakers raised issues of security and the possibility of hackers getting at databases and passing on information to commercial outfits, intelligence agencies or even criminal gangs. This is present in all forms of identification. Nothing is 100% safe.

Because identity is already a potent issue and the trigger for frequent identity-related conflict – such as the 2002 anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat that left 2,000 people dead – any exercise that enhances identification is fraught.OMG what is jholawala farting about.Tell lies lies and lies hoping people will forget the truth

But things begin to look ominous when seen in the context of the National Intelligence Grid (NATGRID), the setting up of which home minister P. Chidambaram announced in February as part of his response to a major terrorist attack.
Chidambaram said NATGRID would tap into 21 sets of databases that will be networked to achieve "quick, seamless and secure access to desired information for intelligence and enforcement agencies."
He added that NATGRID will "identify those who must be watched, investigated, disabled and neutralized."
This is a good move as nation's security is paramaount.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Vasu » 08 Sep 2010 12:14

Let me just sit at home because if I venture out, I might get hit by a car, attacked by vicious cows, bitten by rabid dogs, crapped on by malicious pigeons, or step on some doo-doo, somebody might take my photo and put it on the internet, or worse still, see me frothing at my mouth and at once know that I am a rabid Hindu nationalist upto no good.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby RamaY » 09 Sep 2010 08:15

^^

J.T. D'Souza, an IT expert, asserted at the meeting that the use of biometrics on such a massive scale has never been attempted before and is bound to be riddled with costly glitches.


I wonder what kind of IT expert this J.T D'Souza is. Perhaps he worked in a EDP dept before becoming an IT expert.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Sachin » 09 Sep 2010 10:40

RamaY wrote:I wonder what kind of IT expert this J.T D'Souza is. Perhaps he worked in a EDP dept before becoming an IT expert.

When I see some of the statements of the press, it reminds me of Njaanapana a book of hymns used in Kerala. It talks about the "The good lord who can make a king out of a pauper, and make a king pauper in two days". The media is becoming like the "good lord". Going ahead an titling people as IT experts, security experts etc. without mentioning what makes them such.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Tanaji » 09 Sep 2010 12:34

I think I kind of see now where they are going with this. The whole exercise is purely geared to eliminate the duplicates from the system, in a fairly fool proof way in spite of any corrupt babus in the chain. This is not about weeding illegals, proof of nationality or a single identity for all government departments.... although it might form the basis for the latter at some undeterminate time in the future.

In that limited aim it will succeed no doubt. Is it worth the price tag, that is the main question.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby RamaY » 09 Sep 2010 16:22

^

There are many benefits to UID. IMHO it will be used for tax collections and unearth blackmoney in near future. Imagine what happens when they start integrating UID with bank accounts and other real and movable assets and cross check with one's income tax filings.

PDS would be a small fish then :)

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby RamaY » 09 Sep 2010 16:24

I wonder why any nationalistic NGO doesn't sue these jhollawallahs for their blatent lies such as that Gujrat pogram comment. Perhaps to avoid unnecessary publicity for this miniscule English DDM?

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby vipins » 11 Sep 2010 20:16

UIDAI eases turnover norms for key services contract
Earlier, the authority had said that the lead partner or the company leading the consortium for the MSP contract should have an average annual turnover of Rs 6,000 crore, over a period of last three financial years (2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10). This limit has now been reduced to Rs 4,000 crore.
Further, the authority has also set the condition that the prime respondent should be registered in India under the Companies Act having its registered office in India.

“It was a national bidding process and not international. Moreover, with this condition, Indian laws will be applicable to the company. It will be under the jurisdiction of Indian laws,” explained the official.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby krisna » 14 Sep 2010 23:07

IT@School to enroll 60 lakh Kerala students under UID project
The IT@School project will provide close to six million students in Kerala with the Unique Identity Number, as part of the central government's UIDAI (Unique Identification Authority of India) initiative, in this academic year itself, an official said Tuesday.

IT@School will use its own School Management System to capture necessary details. From this database the mandatory fields will be filtered to a separate software, provided by UIDAI. The students will go through a biometric scanning of ten fingerprints and iris. They will be photographed and given an enrolment number upon completion,' said Sadath.



good idea. It augurs well for future when in a few years time almost all Indians will have it.
Of course all young Indians should go to school. :((

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby krisna » 25 Sep 2010 08:11

Bill providing legal backup to UID project passed
The union cabinet Friday approved a bill to accord legal backup to the project providing unique identification numbers for the residents of the country. The bill titled the National Identification Authority of India Bill, 2010 was approved by the cabinet in its meeting here chaired by Prime Minister Monmohan Singh, said an official release.
The cabinet also decided to give the go-ahead to the introduction of the bill in parliament in its upcoming winter session, the statement added.

The law will empower the NIAI to issue aadhaar numbers to individuals residing in India, besides certain other classes of individuals, the manner of their authentication and other related and incidental matters, the statement said.
The project will involve an expenditure of Rs.3,023.01 crore which includes a sum to fund the various components of the project by March 2011 and recurring establishment costs for the entire project phase of five years ending March 2014.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Neshant » 26 Sep 2010 11:31

Have this card available for NRIs as well - OCIs & PIOs.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Neshant » 26 Sep 2010 11:43

K Mehta wrote:Personal opinion:
The linking of parent and child UIDs is a very interesting feature and perhaps would be an important security feature. Say the system takes 20 years to complete, but after 20 years an illegal alien will not be able to claim to have dropped from heaven as a 25 year old without having to show his parents also existed and were alive and had a UID, which could be used to key other databases to find the janamkundli of the parents.


It is vitally important in that case that NRIs who are OCI or PIO holders also get this card. A good number may relocate to India in the future as the economy develops and decide to start/move their family there.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Vipul » 29 Sep 2010 00:11

Nandan, numbers & national identity.

If a billion numbers get issued, with real-time features and applications, Nilekani will have notched up a transformational project.

Nandan Nilekani sits in the enclosed patio, looking out on to an expansive lawn. The late September sun, suggesting the warmth of autumn rather than the heat of the Delhi summer, plays on a garden framed by two giant, identical trees. “It’s the only perk of the job,” the head of the Unique Identity project (christened Aadhaar) says, as he casts his eye over the pleasing scene.

Inside, the house no longer looks standard PWD. A designer friend has transformed it for the former Infosys chief executive, at his cost. “I decided it was ok to splurge a little on myself,” he says, as he settles down to the conversation. The only drink offered before lunch is a glass of water.

It’s 14 months since Nilekani, now 55, decided to trade the life of a successful techie chieftain for official Delhi, a minefield for any interloper who dares to intrude. Between then and now, Nilekani has built a core team of less than 200 people, spent less than Rs 100 crore, and is ready to roll out what is the world’s most ambitious identity programme. The modest budget and the tight execution invite comparison with another project about to roll out in Delhi.

On Wednesday, the Prime Minister and Sonia Gandhi will travel to remote Nandurbar (five hours by road from Aurangabad, if you travel like a commoner) to launch Aadhaar in a village where they will issue numbers real-time, and demonstrate banking inclusion at work. Are you nervous, I ask. Not at all, he says. “At most, I will fail.” But his manner does not suggest that possibility. As he talks, and talks, you realise there is carefully concealed excitement.

The roll-out will spread to seven states in a month or two, and by March-end several million numbers would have been issued. Firms like MindTree, Accenture, Cisco and others have been selected to develop the software, handle the biometrics, do the connectivity. A contact centre has been roped in, so has the post office. And a couple of hundred agencies are being empanelled to enroll on behalf of registrars, like state governments and banks. “We have also tapped into external capabilities by creating councils like an Awareness and Communications Strategy Advisory Council,” he says, and adds that he has received a lot of informal advice from folks like Raghuram Rajan in Chicago and Abhijit Banerjee and Sanjay Sarma at MIT.

Sitting at the centre of this network, which he says is instantly scalable through parallel processing, Nilekani is already thinking about his next steps. But a funny thing happened along the way. The Infosys star, who developed a successful software services business because the sector had no government interference, has developed enormous respect for India’s politicians. He recalls a two-and-a-half hour grilling by the parliamentary standing committee for finance. Chief ministers like Nitish Kumar have also made an impact. “These political leaders are on the ball, they work very hard, they ask the right questions, and they can see the possibilities. If you want agents of change, it’s the politicians.”

But how does he put together an effective project team within government recruitment rules and government salaries? With innovative flair, that’s how. He took the help of the National Institute of Smart Governance in Hyderabad (did you know that one existed?) to, among other things, recruit people from outside the government system, and then turned to his network of contacts. “I have got a brilliant IAS officer as our CEO and mission director, who has a deep understanding of technology.”

He lists four categories of people — volunteers, who come to work for free, people who have made their money internationally or here and want to contribute; interns from places like Delhi University and the Kennedy School at Harvard, who come for three-four months and presumably want the project on their CV; experienced people, who are on sabbatical from their companies, which continue to pay their salaries; and people from within the government system. “Since all I can promise is hard work, and no power or perks, the guys who offer themselves are people who want to make a difference.”

Although he has spent little money so far, the project will cost a few thousand crores—but cash is not a constraint. Vijay Kelkar’s Finance Commission has already allocated Rs 3,000 crore, and Pranab Mukherjee reacted to a report on budget cuts by publicly offering whatever money is needed. “I never even talked to him, he just issued a statement. And then he called me over to his office to reassure me.”

That kind of support has come in part because Nilekani has seen marketing as part of his job. He is good with words and with people, and he has been careful to keep all important people briefed. But selling to future partners has been the most important of all—since the project will make a difference only if the numbers are used.

And so, on Friday, he is meeting with the Reserve Bank and a dozen government-owned banks, to bring Aadhaar and banking together. Getting cash or transferring money on a mobile phone, using the Aadhaar number for identification. Paying a cab driver by transferring money from your phone to his… The possibilities seem endless as he lists them.

Then come the mobile phone companies, who issue some 15 million Sim cards every month. Half a million a day. They have to do identity checks on every customer, or pay a fine if something goes wrong. So, why not use the Aadhaar number as identification? It will save the phone companies a ton of money, and trouble, and they become allies. That’s Killer Application No 2.

There will be more, down the road. Like making the public distribution system work better. And the rural employment guarantee programme. And dovetailing with the National Population Register. Grocers will arm themselves before long with a “micro-ATM” that is being designed to do the basic tasks, and costs Rs 10,000 or thereabouts — so you can pay for groceries without using cash, by using the Aadhaar number.

Lunch is long over, and the conversation has drifted to other subjects. You think back to past projects that were transformational. Like the Green Revolution, ushered in by Normal Borlaug and MS Swaminathan, with C Subramanian’s help. Atomic energy in Bhabha’s days. Perhaps even the Planning Commission of the 1950s, when the world’s finest economists set up temporary home in Yojana Bhavan. If Nilekani gets it right, and a billion numbers get issued, with real-time features (and therefore applications) that no one else has, he will have notched up his own transformational project.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby ramana » 29 Sep 2010 00:59

A question how does it prevent the fake SIM cards used by TSP terrorists?

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Pranay » 29 Sep 2010 17:56

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11433541

... and it goes live !! :)

India has launched a huge national identity scheme aimed at cutting fraud and improving access to state benefits.

Using biometric methods, including an iris scan, the system will log details of India's population of more than one billion people on a central database.

It was launched by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Congress party leader Sonia Gandhi in western India.

The data will be stored online in what India says will be the biggest such national database in the world.

The unique identification (UID) programme will help those in poor, marginalised communities who find it difficult to access public services and benefits because they do not have official records, officials say.

The government expects to give a UID number to every Indian citizen within four years.

Birth registration is not universal and it is hoped that the database will give an accurate picture of Indian society.

'Special moment'

The new ID scheme was launched in the village of Tembhili in Nandurbar district of western Maharashtra state.

The ID numbers were handed out to 10 people, including three children.

The tiny village of 1,500 people was colourfully decorated and the villagers were excited to see Congress chief Sonia Gandhi, who smiled and waved at them, the BBC's Prachi Pinglay reports from Tembhili village.

Prime Minister Singh described the start of the process as a "special moment" that would empower the most marginalised in society.

"It will help strengthen the rights of the downtrodden and the poorest, including women," AFP news agency quoted him as saying.

Mrs Gandhi described the launch as a "new beginning" for India.

Billionaire IT expert Nandan Nilekani, who was drafted in by the government to run the project, was also present at the function.

Under the scheme, all Indians will be issued a 12-digit ID number which they will use to receive welfare handouts, to apply for other documents like passports and even to open bank accounts, the BBC's Mark Dummett in Delhi says.

As well as iris scans, photographs, fingerprints and other personal information will be collected and then stored on a vast central database.

The government hopes this will prevent corrupt officials from faking the names of people seeking welfare benefits or access to education - potentially saving billions of dollars.

Critics, however, complain that the project itself will cost billions of dollars and are also worried about the authorities collecting so much personal information.

Others say there is no guarantee that the scheme really will make much of a difference to India's corrupt and inefficient bureaucracy. Some say the focus should be on improving services for the poor, rather than access to them.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 650890.cms


NANDURBAR (Maharashtra): Ten adivasis from the tribal hamlet of Tembhli on Wednesday became the first to receive the Unique Identity Numbers from Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Congress chief Sonia Gandhi, who said this would help the poor get the benefits of welfare projects.

Singh and Gandhi distributed the first ten 'Adhaar' cards of Unique Identification Authority of India to ten residents of the tribal hamlet at a function attended by Maharashtra governor K Shankaranarayanan, chief minister Ashok Chavan, Planning Commission deputy chairman Montek Singh Alhuwalia and UIDAI chief Nandan Nilekani.

Addressing the function, the Prime Minister said the issuing of unique identity cards is a beginning of a big effort for the welfare of the common man.

"The poor did not have any identity proof. Due to this shortcoming, they could not open bank accounts or get ration cards. They could not avail the benefits of government welfare programmes because of this and many times, these benefits were pocketed by others," Singh said.

He said those who are economically and socially backward will be the biggest beneficiaries of this programme.

"We will give every opportunity to live a dignified life to our poor, scheduled castes and scheduled tribes people," he said.

Singh also said the rolling out of the unique numbers displayed a symbol of a new and modern India. "We are moving fast in the field of technology. Nowhere in the world, technology has been used in such a big way. I hope every citizen will get this number very soon," he said.

Gandhi also echoed similar views saying the unique identification numbers will help plug the loopholes in the Public Distribution System (PDS). "The problem of fake ration cards will be over now," she said.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 651486.cms

TEMBHLI (MAHARASHTRA): Number 782474317884. That will be Rajana Sonawane's Identity proof throughout her life and India's first Unique ID card recipient thanks UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi for the honour.

"I thank Soniaji for selecting me to be India's first Aadhaar card recipient," a beaming Rajana said after recieving the card at the UID rollout function today.

"Aadhaar card is the aadhar (support) of my life," Ranjana said. "Wherever I go, it will come in handy," she added.

"The card will be useful at the ration shop and for getting employment," Rajana said flaunting the card which has the slogan ''Aadhaar-common man's right''.

Among the card recipients were 4-year-old Hitesh Sonawane and eight-year-old Anil Thakre.


http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?695162

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby vera_k » 29 Sep 2010 21:40

ramana wrote:A question how does it prevent the fake SIM cards used by TSP terrorists?


It doesn't, at least right away. In fact, in the short term, use of the UID as identity proof will simplify operations for the bad guys for two reasons -

1. Any resident operatives will get legitimate id, and

2. Identity verification procedures that accept the UID as sole id proof will likely not be strong enough to prevent identity theft. Kind of like how anyone can pretend to be a US resident if they have access to a social security number and some other personal information.

It should help in the longer term as verification procedures are improved after the initial enumeration phase has been completed. For example, if the mobile operators start collecting a fingerprint before issuing every SIM, that would hamper the bad guys quite a bit.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby chetak » 29 Sep 2010 22:55

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/uid-cards-should-be-made-for-indians-only-bjp/131998-37-64.html?from=tn


10 things you must know about the UID project
Sep 29, 2010

New Delhi: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh handed over the first of the Aadhaar cards at Tembhli village in Nandurbar district of Maharashtra on Wednesday. The Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI), headed by Nandan Nilekani, has endeavoured on a mammoth project to provide Indian residents with an unique 12-digit identification number that will serve multiple purposes.


Given the reach and the impact of such an exercise there is much excitement around the Unique Identity (UID) number (also known as Aadhaar) drive, along with some confusion.


Some facts about the UID project that Indian residents should be aware of:





1. Aadhaar (the UID number) is not mandatory. People can choose not to be a part of the exercise.


2. It is not restricted to Indian citizens only and is meant for residents of India, irrespective of their citizenship. An Aadhaar card does not establish citizenship of India, it is meant for identification.


3. Even people without proper identification documents can apply for Aadhaar. Authorised individuals, who already have an Aadhaar, can introduce residents who don't possess any documents to establish their identity to enable them to receive their Aadhaar.


4. Aadhar will not replace other identification documents such as ration card or passport.


5. The UIDAI will collect only biometric and demographic information about an individual and will not ask for info on caste, religion or language.


6. Date of Birth is optional (for people who don't remember/know their date of birth) and approximate age will suffice.


7. Transgenders have been included in the options under gender and they need not classify themselves as male or female.


8. Residents of India have an option to link their UID number to their bank accounts.


9. To get an UID number residents will have to go to the nearest Aadhaar enrollment camp, details of which will be published in the local media. Residents will have to carry along certain documents, mentioned in the advertisement. Residents will also be photographed and have their fingerprints and iris scanned. The Aadhaar numbers will be issued within 20-30 days.


10. The draft National Identification Authority of India bill has provisions against impersonation, providing false information and for protection of personal information collected by the UIDAI. Violations can attract penalties in the form of fines of up to Rs 1 crore and imprisonment extending up to a life term.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby James B » 30 Sep 2010 00:37

If you are wondering UID looks, here

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James B wrote:If you are wondering UID looks, here



if that is that then what is this? >>>>

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Sudip » 30 Sep 2010 04:25

AADHAR: India's new unique identification system

Unfortunately currently UIDAI claims that the authentication mechanism uses strict matching, not fuzzy matching. This could create problems for matching details such as addresses, as those usually have greater leeway for differences. The system will also support additional extended means of authentication such as “static” PINs and “dynamic” PINs. A static PIN would be a PIN code not unlike an ATM PIN code which could be used to provide additional authentication. A dynamic PIN on the other hand would be code generated at server-end and the sent to the user as an SMS on their cellphone.

The UID assigned to each individual is random and based on their biometrics such that no personal information such as date of birth, date of issuance of ID, locality, ethnicity, race etc can be derived from deconstructing the ID.

The ID will be a 12 digit number instead of being an alphanumeric sequence, due to the low rate of literacy in India and the differing languages with differing alphabets. Of the 12 digits there is 1 checksum and the rest of the 11 digits give us 100 billion combination which aught to do for a while. The system is designed with he future is mind, and should scale to more digits if the need arises in the future. While the population of India is only around a billion, there are almost a hundred times as many IDs, this is to ensure that it is difficult to guess a number. The additional checksum digit at the end ensures that the ID is correctly transmitted and ensures the integrity of the number itself.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby AnimeshP » 30 Sep 2010 07:06

Pranay wrote:
TEMBHLI (MAHARASHTRA): Number 782474317884. That will be Rajana Sonawane's Identity proof throughout her life and India's first Unique ID card recipient thanks UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi for the honour.

"I thank Soniaji for selecting me to be India's first Aadhaar card recipient," a beaming Rajana said after recieving the card at the UID rollout function today.

"Aadhaar card is the aadhar (support) of my life," Ranjana said. "Wherever I go, it will come in handy," she added.

"The card will be useful at the ration shop and for getting employment," Rajana said flaunting the card which has the slogan ''Aadhaar-common man's right''.

Among the card recipients were 4-year-old Hitesh Sonawane and eight-year-old Anil Thakre.


http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?695162


another story ...
India’s first Aadhaar-holder Ranjana Sonawane (40) is angry. Her family couldn’t go to work over the past month because the state government kept them busy preparing for Wednesday’s launch ceremony. The Tembhli village resident was handed over her Aadhaar — 78247431788 — at a ceremony attended by UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. “Sanmaanache kaay gheun basat, ithe khayaala kahi nahi. (Damn the honour, we don’t have anything to eat.),” she said after the ceremony

http://www.hindustantimes.com/maharasht ... 06243.aspx

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Neshant » 30 Sep 2010 10:06

Where is a real picture of this card? Is it just a flimsy piece of cardboard with a number on it with biometric data transmitted, processed and authenticated on the server side? Or does the card itself hold the biometric data (i think they mentioned a 64kb storage so it surely must have some client side data storage).

Could someone fill us all in starting with a picture of what this card looks like.

It was mentioned somewhere that while the signing up is fast, you have to wait to get the card in the mail ? So maybe the paper the guy in sunglasses is showing is just the temporary ID till the card arrives.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Neshant » 30 Sep 2010 11:15

Wow the guy's vision is far reaching.

There isn't a better qualified person to be leading this project.

Check out an interview with the man Nilekani on the UID.

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busine ... 820-0.html

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby tarun » 02 Oct 2010 01:36

Neshant wrote:Wow the guy's vision is far reaching

I hope it was sarcasm, see the casual use of the latest buzz words like cloud computing thrown in.
-Tarun

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Postby tarun » 02 Oct 2010 10:36

nukavarapu wrote:^^^ You never know whether its a buzz or there are some realistic plans to use the latest technologies. Only time will tell.

Time doesn't tell anything, the dude moves about preaching to the choir and avoiding tough questions from technologists by refusing to engage wherever tough questions are being asked.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Sudip » 02 Oct 2010 23:29

tarun wrote:
nukavarapu wrote:^^^ You never know whether its a buzz or there are some realistic plans to use the latest technologies. Only time will tell.

Time doesn't tell anything, the dude moves about preaching to the choir and avoiding tough questions from technologists by refusing to engage wherever tough questions are being asked.


Also I think avoiding answers to questions based on future scenarios is the diplomatic thing to do going by the CWG fiasco. As for the cloud computing thing, I am working in a similar field as the ID project thing, it is totally true and verified and I saw the interview too. I think everything he said was as technical and accurate as a technocrat could explain to the layman. Nothing less nothing more.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby tarun » 03 Oct 2010 00:28

I bugged my friends a lot with many questions. Let me know if you have any that you are trying to find answers from.


For starters:-

1. Where is the guarantee that the UID card cannot be duplicated and mass produced. Whatever today's technology can produce can be cracked with tomorrow's technology faster and cheaper.
2. Without access to cheap verification of UID's validity the problem of terrorists being able to buy throwable SIM cards would continue to exist.
3. Even if UIDs were to become pervasive, why wouldn't a poor man lend his UID to the powerful for benami transactions
4. What exactly are the mighty miracles that UIDs supposed to fetch us ? Does that mean I no longer need to get attestations from a gazetted officer about anything anymore while dealing with any government department ever ?


These pages are returning 404s b t w
http://uidai.gov.in/tenders/RFP_ASDMSA_Volume_I.pdf
http://uidai.gov.in/tenders/RFP_ASDMSA_Volume_II.pdf

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Neshant » 03 Oct 2010 13:27

The more I hear about this UID, the more optimistic I get.

Listen to a lecture given by Nilekani on the issue, its 5 parts and pretty interesting as it goes from part to part. The guy has a greater vision for this thing beyond just use as identification.

Even Bill Gates is excited by his vision and wants Microsoft to jump in on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrkyMl4qsmg

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Tanaji » 05 Oct 2010 12:44

The real question is whether the UID is worth the budget it has been given (quite substantial btw). The UID project has cleverly set itself limited goals (actually a single goal): Get rid of duplicates in its system. The project will *NOT* do the following:

  • Verify the user holds Indian citizenship
  • Verify the authenticity of the documents that are presented to it
  • Force other government bodies to use the UID, thus reducing the number of "cards" or identities a person has to get

Given the above, the project will succeed. Question is if it is worth it.

nukavarapu:

I read your point regarding #2 a and b. Nilekani has been on record saying he will not verify citizenship. As for verification goes, UID is to be assigned to *any* individual as a part of its mandate. Indeed, it is one of the chief aims, since they plan to use it to make schemes like NREGA more efficient so that the target population is reached. This automatically means that people that are transients, migrant workers that have no fixed place of abode, do not pay tax since they are too poor (construction workers, rag pickers etc) can get a card. If you look at UID website, they say even if you dont have documents, you can apply. So, this verification thing is not mandatory.

The only aim of this scheme is getting rid of duplicates.

This is a laudable aim and indeed may be worth the massive budget it has got... I just don't know

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby tarun » 05 Oct 2010 18:03

Tanaji wrote:The real question is whether the UID is worth the budget it has been given

+1 Tanaji. I got the same feeling reading the description of very limited goals of NUID project and the massive budget it has.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby RamaY » 05 Oct 2010 19:02

Tanaji garu

AFAIK this project is the first step onleee.

Wait until the rest of the departments such as ITax, Revenue, Land Registration, Bank Accounts etc are linked with UID. Then comes real value.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby Tanaji » 05 Oct 2010 20:20

To my point earlier:

http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2 ... for-it.htm

It even allows for "approximate" dates of birth. So the aim of this is purely to have a unique one-to-one mapping between a person (actually his/her's biometrics) and a UID. Nothing more, nothing less.

RamaY:

I agree. There are provisions to link the accounts you mention with UID. The problem is that it is NOT mandatory for the government organisations to accept the UID as an alternative (not replacement) to their current key identifier. Babus dont do anything unless forced, so you can guess where this is going.

Actually it may turn out to be worth it given the massive scale of corruption we have. Time will tell, I certainly will keep an open mind. My slightly negative reaction was hopes were raised when we thought this would be universal and we would be able to use one card for all governmental transactions AND that it would be weed out illegals. To be fair, Nilekani very quickly disabused us of these notions. He has set a very specific and limited goal, and to be fair, kudos to him for that. Anyone else would have done the same if they could get away with it.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby RamaY » 05 Oct 2010 20:26

^

IMHO, Nandan Neelekani is intentionally limiting the "scope" of this project. It is coming from his IT project management experience and I think it is a good thing.

We need to break the large initiative into smaller, time-bound projects so we move from one phase to another. This will also allow us to get feed back from the field on real-life implications of such a nation-wide project.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby ramana » 05 Oct 2010 22:39

I think he is being groomed for the next steps in leadership. He has all the MMS ingredients.

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Re: The Indian National ID Card Project

Postby RamaY » 05 Oct 2010 22:54

When will our dear leader Rahul baba gets the seat??? so much seat worming :eek: , the seat will melt under one's bottoms :mrgreen:


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