Mass Rapid Transit in India

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Suraj » 27 Jun 2020 05:04

The Chinese focused on building these kinds of heavy infrastructure machinery just to avoid being bottlenecked by monopoly western suppliers like Herrenknecht . We are going to be forced to do the same - to avoid dependency on both the west and the Chinese . It certainly isn’t going to be easy or quick but it is the only viable long term approach.

This is the same as our military being tied to imported armaments . When the shooting starts and the supplies become risk factors, the importance of domestic solutions just becomes more critical.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Rishirishi » 27 Jun 2020 06:00

vsunder wrote:A substantial number of TBM machines being used in India have been sourced from China. In addition, Chinese technicians are used to help service the machines and operate the machines to help with the geotechnical aspects as the TBM moves forward. The fact that flights between China and India are suspended and the Galwan crisis has had an impact with TBM operations for Namma Metro. TBMs have been lowered but seem not operational. How will this be remedied, for example cutters need to be changed quite frequently in the Bangalore projects since the TBM will traverse through hard rock. How will this issue be addressed with spare parts? Mumbai coastal road project is also a CRCHI TBM fabricated in Changsha, China. Out of the 18 TBMs in operation on the Mumbai Metro, 8 are from Chinese companies and the remaining 10 are from Western companies which were fabricated in their Chinese plants. It would be hopeless now to stop the supply of spare parts etc at this late stage of the project.

For example Herrenknecht AG is a leading supplier of TBMs to the world market and one of their main factories is in Guangzhou. They supply many TBMs to projects in India. OK to cancel projects, but what about ongoing projects that have significant Chinese machinery and are at advanced stages, what then?? Also it will be ironic if L&T gets a project but uses a Made in China TBM and then consultancy of geotechnical nature from China.


Demand that it is made in India and exported from India.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Rohit_K » 30 Jun 2020 01:17

Bombardier Wins Kanpur & Agra Metro’s 201 Coach Rolling Stock & Signalling Contract

Bombardier Transportation today emerged as the lowest bidder for supplying 201 standard gauge coaches (rolling stock) including the train-control and signalling system for the 32.385 km Kanpur Metro and 29.40 km Agra Metro‘s Phase 1 projects.

L2: BEML - Hitachi
L3: Alstom

CRRC’s technical bid was rejected, so their financial bid was not opened.


If and when awarded, this will be Bombardier’s second major win in 2 months. Back in May, they won the 82.15 km Delhi – Meerut RRTS line’s rolling stock contract for 210 coaches (30x6 + 10x3) which they intend to manufacture at their Savli, Gujarat facility.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby vsunder » 30 Jun 2020 01:28

^^^ What happened to the second line for Lucknow, Vasant Kunj to Charbagh? This is full of narrow lanes and very congested and will be a mess to work and tunnel in with decrepit and very old buildings. Also Varanasi had some ropeway and Metro project, what is the status?

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby csaurabh » 30 Jun 2020 20:47

Suraj wrote:The Chinese focused on building these kinds of heavy infrastructure machinery just to avoid being bottlenecked by monopoly western suppliers like Herrenknecht . We are going to be forced to do the same - to avoid dependency on both the west and the Chinese . It certainly isn’t going to be easy or quick but it is the only viable long term approach.

This is the same as our military being tied to imported armaments . When the shooting starts and the supplies become risk factors, the importance of domestic solutions just becomes more critical.


Agreed and I would like to point out that the basic problem here ( and for the military production ) is not just our babus, MoD, armed forces, whatever. They are only part of the problem. The real problem is that we are still a technologically backward 3rd world country.
The Chinese took decades to get where they are in terms of technologically. We are slowly moving in the right direction but we are nowhere there yet and will not be for many decades. Unless this basic fact is understood and prepared for rest all is hot air.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Suraj » 30 Jun 2020 21:10

csaurabh wrote:
Suraj wrote:The Chinese focused on building these kinds of heavy infrastructure machinery just to avoid being bottlenecked by monopoly western suppliers like Herrenknecht . We are going to be forced to do the same - to avoid dependency on both the west and the Chinese . It certainly isn’t going to be easy or quick but it is the only viable long term approach.

This is the same as our military being tied to imported armaments . When the shooting starts and the supplies become risk factors, the importance of domestic solutions just becomes more critical.

Agreed and I would like to point out that the basic problem here ( and for the military production ) is not just our babus, MoD, armed forces, whatever. They are only part of the problem. The real problem is that we are still a technologically backward 3rd world country.
The Chinese took decades to get where they are in terms of technologically. We are slowly moving in the right direction but we are nowhere there yet and will not be for many decades. Unless this basic fact is understood and prepared for rest all is hot air.

That is why the Chinese emphasized acquisition and theft of technology and IP, and their corporate law required foreign entities to form JVs and sharing technology with local partner, which they then proceeded to grab and use. A fast growing economy needs rapid infusion of technology, and not all of it can be obtained above board at first world prices because... we don't have the money to do that. Therefore it's necessary that national policy ensure the acquisition of technology by other means.

There's nothing outrageous or unprecedented about the above. We've had decades long legislative requirements around pharma IP that only protected a process patent and not a product one, so generics makers could make it by another process. It has stood the test of sustained attempts by big pharma to overturn that.

So it's redundant to say 'it'll take time and effort' - that's been already said in the originally quoted post.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Krita » 30 Jun 2020 21:11

If and when awarded, this will be Bombardier’s second major win in 2 months. Back in May, they won the 82.15 km Delhi – Meerut RRTS line’s rolling stock contract for 210 coaches (30x6 + 10x3) which they intend to manufacture at their Savli, Gujarat facility.

Owned by Alstom.


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