Mass Rapid Transit in India

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Sachin » 30 Apr 2016 19:48

Video clipping of the Namma Metro - East West line
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EFx956E1YA[/youtube]

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Rohit_K » 30 Apr 2016 22:04

With Namma's news all over India, CMRL under pressure ran a train through the underground corridor :D

Images: http://themetrorailguy.com/2016/04/29/c ... -1st-time/

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According to officials of Chennai Metro Rail Limited (CMRL), the train was operated through this stretch with shunting loco and an inspection was carried out. “This was done to check various parameters before the electrification is done,” an official said. It was run using shunting loco since the electrification and signalling work are not complete yet. Metro Rail Officials said the construction of this stretch was likely to be over by the end of this year or early next year.


Just an 'inspection'. Nothing serious here.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby arshyam » 01 May 2016 09:38

They had already done a basic track earlier with only the shunter, this seems to be the next step, that's all.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby arshyam » 05 May 2016 18:40

Per this pic, there seems to be a decent demand on the metro. Has anyone here travelled by it - how is the rush on weekdays?

But I don't understand this logic below. If there is a good rush, won't it be easier to simply augment the coaches that increasing frequency? All they would need is to attach two train sets together to get a 6 car rake...

Metro May Add More Coaches if Needed - TNIE
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BENGALURU: Metro trains will have six coaches in the future, double that of the present capacity, if the patronage necessitates the addition, said N M Dhoke, Director, Rolling Stock Exchange, Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL).

The immediate option available is to have more services by running a train every three minutes instead of eight or 10 minutes.

Briefing newspersons at the Rangoli Metro Art Centre on Wednesday, Dhoke said, “We are looking to augment the trains and the tenders will be issued soon. It might take two years to accommodate the extra coaches. For now, we can accommodate extra passengers by increasing the frequency of trains.

Chief Engineer, BMRCL, Hegga Reddy said the Kempegowda station in the East-West corridor was completed in a record time of four months. “The Purple line (Baiyappanahalli to Mysuru Road) was prioritised and we chose the same contractor who had done the construction here to do the finishing. This was different from the other stations on the underground stretch where finishing work took a long time with different contractors. So, it was completed in just four months,” he said.

For the Kempegowda station, tenders were called for thrice but was cancelled twice, he informed.

Vijay Kumar Dhir, Director, Projects and Planning, said, “There have been delays in completion of the corridor, but we never wanted to compromise on safety aspects. The entire underground corridor was completed without any major mishap.”

Much of the work had to be carried out only during night as heavy vehicles, which were used to shift equipment, were not permitted during day time, said private contractors involved in the work.

Aram, project head of Blue Star Ltd which carried out air-conditioning work, said the logistics involved was immense. “Equipment had to be shifted from the central store on Cubbon Road to each of the stations and could be done only at night. Shifting equipment is likely to pose bigger issues when we carry out work on K R Market and Chickpet stations of Phase-I,” he said.

Jawahar, senior construction manager, Larsen & Turbo, said the major challenge was installing 200 km of underground power cabling that will power the lifts, escalators, chilling plant and others.

“The cable weighs 16 kg per metre,” he said. There were water seepages which had to be dealt with when laying the cables, Jawahar added.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Singha » 05 May 2016 19:02

Delhi is already struggling with 8 coach trains. I believe station limit is 10-12

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby arshyam » 05 May 2016 19:10

^^ And has high frequencies on Lines 2 and 3 already and will hit max capacity soon. Hopefully phase III will help distribute some load away (but could feed even more pax into the system - let's see). Rohit_K, any thoughts?

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Zynda » 05 May 2016 19:17

Apparently, Namma Metro has increased the freq on EW line and coaches were less crowded earlier the day. This connection is a boom to folks traveling from Mysore Road region to ITPL. Sadly the NS underground section will take more time and perhaps Rohit_K can give us better time estimate of the line being thrown open to traffic.

Then comes the Phase 2 tamaasha...

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby prashanth » 05 May 2016 19:22

arshyam wrote:Per this pic, there seems to be a decent demand on the metro. Has anyone here travelled by it - how is the rush on weekdays?


The EW line has clocked close to one lakh rides per day, on an average after UG link was opened.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Singha » 05 May 2016 19:23

The ring line going via south delhi will alleviate pressure on c.p hub station...ghaziabad and noida new areas are being linked to metro

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby SaiK » 06 May 2016 21:49

Singha wrote:Delhi is already struggling with 8 coach trains. I believe station limit is 10-12

we can't be operating at max limits.

we have to really put a lid on how much we can depend on MRTs, and further think about how to become smarter in B class cities and diversify profile of the nation. it would be a big shame for a tech savvy and intelligent smart country to not think about social and infrastructure services at large and needy.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Suraj » 06 May 2016 22:40

arshyam wrote:Per this pic, there seems to be a decent demand on the metro. Has anyone here travelled by it - how is the rush on weekdays?

But I don't understand this logic below. If there is a good rush, won't it be easier to simply augment the coaches that increasing frequency? All they would need is to attach two train sets together to get a 6 car rake...

What is wrong with the logic ? Both capacity and frequency are variables enabling the movement of people. Both have corresponding tradeoffs. They admit they don't have enough new coaches to add to the number per train, but they can increase frequency. It's a perfectly valid response to the problem.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Zynda » 19 May 2016 18:26

Bengaluru Metro needs its own security force, say experts

BENGALURU: Security experts believe that the Bengaluru Metro should set up its own force, alike the Railway Protection Force of the Indian Railways .

For on the day that the Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited ( BMRCL ) came out with a list of items prohibited on the metro and, arms and ammunition were on the list, an unidentified businessman walked into the train at the Byappanahalli station with a gun. :rotfl:

Before that, a security guard made a feeble attempt to stop him at the metal scanner. The businessman claimed he was a "big" man :D and brazenly walked onto the platform and into the train without having to show anybody any kind of personal identification.. A senior security man, who arrived later, asked the guard if there were any policemen when the incident occurred. When the guard responded in the negative, the senior simply said: "leave it."

While the security breach did not, thankfully , result in any incident, the fact remains that the city's latest and popular mode of transport does not have a trained security force of its own. And, metro authorities have no plans to have one as of now.

Former state police chief DV Guruprasad said Namma Metro should have its own police force like the Railway Protection Force that guards the Indian Railways. "The private security guards in the metro station don't have the power to take action as they are not authorised.The BMRCL should have the basic security systems in place as it is a question of lakhs of commuters' lives."

Another former police chief, ST Ramesh , recalled that there were plans to set up a State Industrial Security Force (SISF) (why not just pay the centre to supply CISF folks for Metro?) when the first metro line (Byappanahalli-MG Road) was opened. "The SISF was to be modeled along the lines of the Central Industrial Security Force and was meant to provide security to government installations and state government undertakings. The last I heard, they had started recruiting personnel for the SISF ."

The CISF provides ground-level security at all airports in the country.

Even as the SISF could take time to materialise, metro authorities have, apparently , not approached the city police either. BMRCL MD Pradeep Singh Kharola said, "We have not approached the City Police. We will introduce more security guards when ridership increases."

Apparently , the city police were not informed about the gun-carrying businessman either. City police commissioner NS Megharikh said: "If BMRCL reports to us about the gun-carrying person on the metro, we will register a case and take action. But it was not reported to us."

Former Intelligence IG, Gopal B Hosur , batted for the use of technology in securing the metro.

"In airports, passengers are fewer and security is more. But the same arrangement can't be followed in the metro stations as there are many stations. The BMRCL has to introduce explosive detectors, sniffer dog squads, more security personnel presence and CCTV cameras at all stations. The BMRCL should take steps before anything goes wrong."

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Zynda » 19 May 2016 18:28

From SSC,

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Hopefully, they accelerate the work on NS line and commissioning of the same happens before year end?

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Sachin » 19 May 2016 21:02

Zynda wrote:Hopefully, they accelerate the work on NS line and commissioning of the same happens before year end?

August 2016 is the planned dead-line for NS, at present. Hope they actually meet it.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby vsunder » 19 May 2016 22:48

Sachin wrote:
Zynda wrote:Hopefully, they accelerate the work on NS line and commissioning of the same happens before year end?

August 2016 is the planned dead-line for NS, at present. Hope they actually meet it.


North South line will be operational first quarter 2018. As of May 16th, 280m of tunneling left, then rails to be affixed and two UG stations to be completed at Chickpet and KR market. Tunneling ended between Sampige Rd and Majestic just a month ago on one tunnel and on the other tunnel a while back, but no sign of rails yet. This sort of news is periodically given out by Namma Metro to fool the population at large. If someone asks, they will say hard rock, hard rock. What has that to do with fixing rails on completed tunnels for example. Tunneling for the 280m is proceeding at the rate of 2m a day
on a good day. Lot of buildings above in poor condition so they have had many problems with cracks etc in the most congested part of old Bengaluru. The CPRO of Namma Metro is a cuning coot, he does tweet the remaining tunnel length every Monday, but gases to gullible people elsewhere and sidesteps questions that make him uneasy as to why he says xyz to the press. Sab mile jule hain etc etc a favorite BRF phrase of late no? Here see his tweet of last Monday May 16th with how much tunneling left, 205m Krishna and 75m Kaveri, that is not peanuts. Once done lot of prep work( like making cross passages between tunnels for safety and by building codes) and base concreting then laying of rails, third rail and then signals and communication and integration and ug stations are nowhere near ready, see the latest newsletter May 2016 and pics:

https://twitter.com/cpronammametro

A lot of the equipment has to be brought in at night, escalators, chilling plants for a/c at stations and lowered into the tunnels and stations at night. You cannot do this in daytime in Chickpet, KR market total chaos and ruckus. Namma Metro has said for EW line all such work was done at night to prevent disruption, and so the schedule got messed up. If that happened in open areas like Cubbon Park and Vidhan Soudha, think the mess in Chickpet and KR market to do it in daylight hours. Namma Metro NS will come when it comes, until then relax, have a Charminar and watch a Gabbar Singh movie.

You can see pictures of the state of the ug stations in the southern part of the NS line where all the tunneling is going on in the recent newsletter May 2016 here:

http://www.bmrc.co.in/pdf/news/may2016.pdf

Chickpet and KR Market station are so far away from being complete.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Kashi » 16 Jun 2016 07:19

Chennai Metro to expand along 3 Corridors and an Orbital Corridor at a cost of Rs.44000 Crore

http://www.railnews.co.in/chennai-metro ... 000-crore/

Chennai: The Jayalaithaa-led government has approved for a Detailed Feasibility Report for the expansion of the Project along three corridors — North West to South East; West to East and an orbital corridor to expand the Chennai Metro Rail project and an orbital corridor at an estimated cost of Rs 44,000 crore. The report will be ready shortly, said the state government.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby SBajwa » 16 Jun 2016 20:35

http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/de ... DjCDI.html

The Metro project received a major boost with both Punjab and Haryana giving their consent for the project.

The development is significant as the Union ministry of urban development had sent back the revised detailed project report (DPR) of the Chandigarh Metro Project to the UT administration in November last year. The administration was directed to take consent of its partners — Punjab and Haryana —before submitting the revised project for consideration.

The new clause by the Centre had delayed the formation of the Greater Chandigarh Transport Corporation (GCTC), which will start the work on the project.

Confirming the development, UT finance secretary Sarvjit Singh said: “We have got a nod from Punjab and Haryana and will forward it to the Centre for the formation of the GCTC.”

UT administrator Kaptan Singh Solanki said: “Metro is not the only solution for traffic congestion but it is the identity of any growing city. Metro is an affordable and quick solution for the city residents to commute easily.”

He added: “Now, there is no hitch as we have got consent from Punjab and Haryana for the project. Even the city MP Kirron Kher had given her nod for the project.”

The Union ministry of urban development has also asked the UT administration to change the name of the project, which is known as the Chandigarh Metro Rail Project. The total length of the project covering Chandigarh, SAS Nagar and Panchkula is 37.57 km. The major portion of the two corridors falls in Chandigarh.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby rsingh » 17 Jun 2016 19:03

Is there any planning/ designing policy about metro being used as bomb shelter in case of nuclear (or convectional) attack on our cities?

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby rajkumar » 20 Jun 2016 18:31

rsingh wrote:Is there any planning/ designing policy about metro being used as bomb shelter in case of nuclear (or convectional) attack on our cities?


Indian metro's are on the whole above ground systems and as such they cannot be used as bomb shelters.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Ashokk » 27 Jun 2016 14:14

Delhi Metro Phase III: A step towards faster and safer journey
Delhi Metro’s Phase III is not only about driverless trains. It is also about trains moving at higher speeds, thanks to a communication system that relies on radio. The new phase of Delhi urban train system will use a communication-based train control (CBTC) system to bring the headway, or the distance and frequency between two trains, down to a quick 90 seconds from the current 150 seconds.

How it works:

1) Distances between the trains determined on the basis of actual speed; effectively resulting in ‘moving’ blocks.

2) On a moving block, the line is usually divided into areas or regions; each area is under the control of a computer; each computer has its own radio transmission system.

3) Each train transmits its identity, location, direction and speed to the area computer.

4) The computer, in turn, makes the necessary calculation for safe train separation and transmits this to the following train.

5) The radio link between the train and the area computer is continuous

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Mollick.R » 16 Aug 2016 21:00

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/Dont-use-bad-terrain-as-excuse-expand-Metro-fast-Sreedharan/articleshow/53692560.cms

Dismissing as an excuse the Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation's explanation that tough terrain has delayed the expansion of Namma Metro, Metro Man E Sreedharan on Saturday said geology cannot be cited to justify cost escalation.
"There are rocks and difficult tunnelling conditions in most cities. Metros have, more or less, followed the schedule of inauguration elsewhere. There needs to be somebody to question things,"


The Metro was conceptualized over a decade ago - when Bengaluru's population was barely 60 lakh. The city now houses over 1.1 crore inhabitants. There should have been a larger network by now.The only way to tackle the traffic is to aggressively expand the Metro network," Sreedharan stressed.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby SaiK » 16 Aug 2016 22:33

It is important to maximize / right-size on the capacity. This data should be available right in the planing & feasibility study .

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Pratyush » 09 Oct 2016 11:31

Singha wrote:Delhi is already struggling with 8 coach trains. I believe station limit is 10-12


The station limit is 8 coaches in all lines except for Badarpur line. Where it is 6 coaches.


The matter can be resolved if the frequency or trains is improved to 1 minutes instead of current 3 minutes.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby arshyam » 12 Oct 2016 21:22

vsunder wrote:North South line will be operational first quarter 2018. As of May 16th, 280m of tunneling left, then rails to be affixed and two UG stations to be completed at Chickpet and KR market. Tunneling ended between Sampige Rd and Majestic just a month ago on one tunnel and on the other tunnel a while back, but no sign of rails yet.
I hope this section at least is opened soon. Do you know if Majestic has a cross-over facility? Normally, they have it only every 3-4 stations, and with Sampige road having a cross-over, I am not sure if Majestic too will have one. If it does, then they can start services at least up to Majestic.

vsunder wrote:Here see his tweet of last Monday May 16th with how much tunneling left, 205m Krishna and 75m Kaveri, that is not peanuts. Once done lot of prep work( like making cross passages between tunnels for safety and by building codes) and base concreting then laying of rails, third rail and then signals and communication and integration and ug stations are nowhere near ready, see the latest newsletter May 2016 and pics:

https://twitter.com/cpronammametro

Looks like tunneling moved fast over the past couple of months:
BMRCL ‏@cpronammametro Sep 13 Mumbai, India

Status as on 13.09.2016
Krishna TBM: Tunneling bet C'pet & Maj 712.5m (475rings completed. 27 m (18 rings) bal. Site closed-Kaveri issues.

But no mention of individual TBM progress, so hard to say for sure. In any case, Aug 2016 came and went :).

Added later: Looks like Krishna broke through, and the tweet implies that the Kaveri (TBM) also completed. So civil works only - perhaps another year?
https://twitter.com/srivasrbmrccoi1/sta ... 7799663616

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby arshyam » 12 Oct 2016 21:31

In the meantime, to get a sense of how big the Chennai central metro really is, please see this panoramic video: https://twitter.com/srini091/status/774166695971737600

Basically, the station is spread on two levels under wherever construction is visible :). Another 2 years' worth of work left...

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Karthik S » 05 Nov 2016 03:41

http://themetrorailguy.com/2016/11/04/2 ... unj-depot/

Two trains from Delhi Metro’s new batch of 504 Hyundai Rotem coaches collided on the evening of November 4 at the upcoming 38.235 km Magenta Line‘s Kalindi Kunj Depot from where trial runs are underway. At this point, it isn’t known if the trains were manually being driven by operators or being driven under the Unattended Train Operation (UTO) mode. No injuries have been reported.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby tandav » 07 Nov 2016 11:03

Indian cities should consider installing Ropeways for urban mobility. Ropeways they may be cheaper and easier to install and operate.

Below is ropeway in Medellin Columbia that flies over private property much like what we see in Indian cities.
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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby JTull » 07 Nov 2016 14:34

tandav wrote:Indian cities should consider installing Ropeways for urban mobility. Ropeways they may be cheaper and easier to install and operate.

Below is ropeway in Medellin Columbia that flies over private property much like what we see in Indian cities.

Even London has one.

They are for areas with constant flux of passengers through out the day and not suitable for high capacity during peak hours. So these are not meant for mass and/or rapid transport.

Moreover, in India, most metros are fulfilling a requirement for high-density urbanised locations - a requirement that should have been served long ago. Ropeways/Cable-cars will be too little and too late.

Planners could consider these for tourism purposes, such as along the coast of a big sea-side city like Mumbai. Anyone heading to Juhu knows how treacherous the traffic is. This will be a good solution to ease that.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby hnair » 09 Nov 2016 08:16

I think the Pod-car concept being explored around India is to deal with this short-distance people moving

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby tandav » 10 Nov 2016 14:17

Pedal powered monorail transport.



Add a electric assist and we may have a viable healthy transport alternative

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Postby rsingh » 11 Nov 2016 19:50

tandav wrote:Indian cities should consider installing Ropeways for urban mobility. Ropeways they may be cheaper and easier to install and operate.

Below is ropeway in Medellin Columbia that flies over private property much like what we see in Indian cities.
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Quit good infrastructure for a town devastated by drug cartels. why do Colombians come to Europe and work for peanuts?

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby arshyam » 26 Feb 2017 12:57

Paging vsunder saar. BMRCL at it again :shock:

https://twitter.com/TheMetroRailGuy/sta ... 4872444928
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Majestic's South Shaft in #Bangalore lies uncovered with track-bed concreting underway, but BMRCL is still "confident" of an April opening

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Zynda » 27 Feb 2017 18:28

^^If you see status of Chickpete station construction pics on SSC, there is so much left to be done and yet BMRCL is adamant about stating that they will meet April deadline. Even if they mean end of April, 2 months may not be sufficient to complete the infra, lay tracks, signals, testing & inspection done. I think there will be a partial opening of the line with station infra not completed at many points...realistically it will be more like June-July before it is complete & operational like Reach 1 & 2.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby arshyam » 27 Feb 2017 21:18

If they have not covered the tunnels fully, how can they run trains with passengers in them? There is no way the CMRS will give clearance. At best, they can start running trains between National College and Yelachenahalli, and have the empty rakes transit through the tunnels to return to the depot at night.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Philip » 02 Mar 2017 11:52

The only way to save our large cities,why even smaller Tier-2 ones,is to induct RTSs on a war footing.The narrow roads,streets,lanes of older cities cannot carry the massive amt. of pvt. vehicles which increase by the day.The majority of Indians use two-wheelers in the absence of efficient public transport,whereas in Europe,almost everyone,including the rich use metros/tube UG systems,above ground rail,electric buses,trams ( a resurgence) and taxis. Using electricity and CNG,pollution is cut down enormously. Pedestrianisation of large parts of the city,esp. the old market/biz areas also helps.The beauty of Venice is that you either use the public vaporetto water-buses or walk through the intensely narrow streets! There is no sound of blaring horns,vehicles,whatever.,which enlivens the soul.

AS far as possible,such systems should be UG,where the problem of land acquisition,destruction of above ground tree cover,heritage zones,buildings,etc. will not arise.Elevated,ground tracks used once one has reached the suburbs.In Rome,the metro isn't allowed to pass through the historic city because of what remains of earlier civilisations may be destroyed by underground tunnels,,which have not yet been discovered.

High speed rail between cities ,esp. in India is a must.Travel time between European cities has been massively reduced.I've used the Eurostar through the "chunnel" often,and travelling through Italy ,Spain and France by rail a joy. The beauty of rail systems is that they get you right into the heart of the city.There's no need to travel by road for an hour to reach the airport in 2-3 hrs. in advance of your flight.With high-speed rail networks,you could be at your destination before an equiv. flight even took off! With efficient MRT systems,the rural-city migration will also be slowed down.People can live in more salubrious,healthy surroundings at cheaper cost within an hour of their place of work. Metros and large Tier-2 cities can then be decongested,making it easier to improve their infrastructure.

The "Smart City" programme in truth should be labelled ""Smart Settlements" instead,right from cities to villages.MRTs will be the catalyst which will make this happen.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Nick_S » 04 Mar 2017 11:34

There are a number of pics of the Hyd Metro here -

https://twitter.com/ltmhyd

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I dont think it extends to Sainikpuri though :(

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Neshant » 20 Mar 2017 09:37

We need a flying car and soon.

In 20 years, nobody will be able to move an inch without crashing into something or someone.

Something like this as a flying taxi would do just nicely.

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...with a simple, easy to operate interface to set your destination.

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Unfortunately, Indian companies are not at the forefront of such innovation.

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Prasad » 20 Mar 2017 10:44

Accidents in 2-d are bad enough :)

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Re: Mass Rapid Transit in India

Postby Rishi Verma » 20 Mar 2017 12:17

Funny thing happened at Lucknow, University Road. Last week the metro "hoardings" came up and each side now has a single lane instead of two. (centre patch getting dug up for metro). funny part is the traffic flow actually improved! Instead of autos and 2-wheelers criss-crossing madly now everyone just stays in lane and there also pvt traffic control guys every km or so.


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