Indian Civil Police & Police Investigations Thread

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Aug 2012 18:27

Okay.. Time to stop the TP Chandrasekharan murder case investigation reports..

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TP murder: Charge sheet submitted (Mathrubhumi: English)
Kozhikode: In a setback to CPI(M) in Kerala, several of the party's district and local functionaries figure in a charge sheet filed today by police in the case of murder of Marxist rebel and RMP leader T P Chandrasekharan in May last.....
Those listed as accused include CPI(M)'s Kozhikode district secretariat member P Mohanan, Onjiyam area secretary
and former state leader of party's government employees union leader C H Asokan and Panur areas committee member P K
Kunhananathan.
HC dismisses bail plea of CPM leaders Jayarajan, TV Rajesh (Mathrubhumi: English)
Dismissing the applications, the court held there was widespread violence during the CPM called hartal on August 2 protesting against Jayarajan's arrest.

The prosecution's contention was that the murder of IUML activist Abdul Shukkoor was executed in 'Taliban style' and that large scale-violence took place in Kannur following Jayarajan's arrest, causing loss to the public exchequer.
V Rajesh surrenders in court, remanded till Aug 27 (Mathrubhumi: English)
Rajesh was named as 39th accused in the case. The investigation team had earlier interrogated Rajesh twice. After P Jayarajan was arrested after interrogation, Rajesh filed for his anticipatary bail plea in the HC.

Jayarajan and Rajesh had been charged under sect 118 of IPC (concealing design to commit offence punishable with death or imprisonment for life) in connection with the murder of Shukkoor at Keezhara in February this year.

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Aug 2012 08:20

X-post:

sum wrote:^^ Few pics in local papers of Bengaluru which showed lots of security folks in black overalls and faces covered with ski-masks holding Ak-47s standing at various sensitive parts of the city. One of the papers called them the "Garuda force". Any idea of which unit this is?

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 11 Sep 2012 00:02

Some cops are so drunk on power that they dont even spare their own colleagues and seniors!

A gang of security cops attached to a J&K minister thrashed a hapless sub inspector who stopped their convoy from jumping a red light.

J&K minister's guards assault traffic police

http://www.indiablooms.com/NewsDetailsP ... 00912t.php

India Blooms News Service

Srinagar, Sept 10 (IBNS): Security guards of a Jammu and Kashmir Minister allegedly beat a traffic sub-inspector to pulp when the later stopped them while violating traffic signal in Srinagar on Monday evening.

According to reports, the escort of state Minister for Public Health Engineering (PHE) and senior Congress leader Taj Mohi-ud-Din was heading towards his government residence at Gupkar, a few metres away from the residence of Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister, Omar Abdullah.

"As soon as the cavalcade reached at the traffic signal, situated at Tourist Reception Centre (TRC), opposite Jammu and Kashmir Bank, they crossed the road even though the signal was red and dozens of private vehicles were waiting for the green signal,” an eyewitness told IBNS.

"One of the Jammu and Kashmir Traffic police officer, present on duty stopped the cavalcade for breaking the traffic rules but the security men hit him (police officer) with rifle butts and beat him to pulp,” the eyewitness said.

The officer identified as sub-inspector Mohan Lal was shifted to a nearby hospital for treatment.

Meanwhile, after assaulting the police officer, the security personnel of the minister fled the spot which left the spectators fumed.

“It is sheer hooliganism. Look, they didn’t even spare their own companion. How you can expect that these men in khaki to protect people? It is a police state and this incident proved that a common man is not safe here,” one Hilal Ahmed, present on spot, told IBNS.

When contacted, Deputy Inspector General (DIG) Traffic Police, Shafkat Watali said that the department is not going to spare these law breakers.

"We will give exemplary punishment to these offenders. They have assaulted our officer and they will face the music,” he said and added that such acts can’t be condoned.

Watali further said that an FIR has been lodged against these offenders and a manhunt has been launched to trace them.

When asked that offenders having affiliation with big guns freely bypass the law, he said that this time it will not happen.

“I assure you that the culprits will be brought to book. It should set an example for the other policemen who in the garb of uniform break laws,” he said.

Watali however refused to comment which VIP they (offenders) were accompanying.

“We are not concerned with that. Our job is to book offenders who were involved in this heinous act,” Watali said.

Superintendent of Traffic Police, Srinagar city, Haseeb-ur-Rehman told IBNS such acts leave a bad impression on people.

He said that the men in khaki must respect law and law will respect them.

“We are aghast and puzzled. When Chief Minister Omar Abdullah has no objection in following traffic rules, how come these men can violate the law!” Rehman said and added that strict action will be taken against the offenders.

Pertinently, Abdullah has set an example of following rules by stopping his cavalcade at a traffic signal and waited for green light in Srinagar in May.

The Srinagar Municipal Corporation (SMC) and Traffic department recently installed traffic lights at certain busy intersections in the city but many people, mostly bureaucrats and politicians have failed to pay any heed to the new signals.

While filing this report, Watali called back this reporter and informed that two offenders have been arrested just now and lodged in Khoti Bagh Police Station.

“Police department has taken this matter very seriously and both have been arrested,” he said.

When contacted, a top officer from Khoti Bagh Police Station identified these two arrested men as Mohammad Shafi (372 security) and Mohammad Abbas (219, 3rd Batallion, security).

(Reporting by Neyaz Elahi)

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 11 Sep 2012 00:04

Fortunately, action seems to have been quite swift.

http://www.business-standard.com/genera ... ted/54773/

Two cops arrested
Press Trust of India / Srinagar September 10, 2012, 22:05

Two cops, posted as personal security guards to Jammu and Kashmir Minister Taj Mohiuddin, were arrested today on charges of attempting to murder a traffic police officer following an altercation.

Police constables Mohammad Shafi and Mohammad Abbas were arrested after the duo allegedly thrashed traffic Sub Inspector Mohan Lal at TRC crossing near Zero Bridge here, police sources said.

Lal had objected to Minister's cavalcade not following the traffic signal during peak traffic hour which led to an altercation, they said.

Subsequently, the two constables allegedly beat up the traffic police SI, the sources said.
The traffic policeman was hospitalised with severe injury in his left eye, they said.

The two cops have been charged with attempt to murder (307 RPC).

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 03 Jul 2014 08:25

Deleted. Please stop indiscriminately crossposting something in multiple threads. Find one thread, post there, and encourage discussion. What you are doing is spamming. It does not enable a forum discourse.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 03:59

smugglers hitting authorities.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=59 ... 98&fref=nf

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 09 Apr 2015 04:01

Oh snap.
It appears i have stepped on a IED laid by Gus.
Self halaal post.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 04:06

because few months back similar labor Hacked few forest officers to death for stopping them & trying to arrest them.

unless you can prove that these people shot are the same people who hacked the forest officers, please stop using that as prop for these murders.

To your question on why you don't see trees behind the dead but only logs, the labor need to deliver the logs at a pickup point. So this encounter happened on the way.

kantha rao announces he has permission to shoot, even before going in. that, in itself, is not possible with our current laws. you don't get shooting orders like that.

this is execution.

Your logic is like Paki logic "Kill only those soldiers who killed your soldiers".

you are an ass.

there is no equivalency between your own countrymen and pakis.

again. you are an ass.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 04:07

ManjaM wrote: WTF??!!
Did you mistype? Is this smugglers hitting authorities or authorities hitting smugglers?

what to do saar.

apparently the police report is not questionable.

so it must be the smugglers hitting authorities.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 04:14

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1150409/j ... SW6mOH9xzI

"First, no one in the task force suffered any major injuries to justify such a response. More important, the two spots where the firings reportedly happened showed no signs of any struggle or battle. Instead, two of our intelligence officers who were at the spot within two hours after information reached us found the bodies lined up, with bags, water sachets and chappals in matching pairs lying next to them, which exposed that the whole thing was set up post-mortem," the Tamil Nadu officer said.

Had the task force opened fire on a mob, the men would have started to run helter-skelter and would have got shot in any part of the body, especially the back or the legs, the officer said. Instead, all the 20 had bullet wounds either on their chest or on the forehead or the face, suggesting they were shot at close quarters after being secured.

"Also, the wounds would have looked fresh if they had been shot between 5am and 6am on Tuesday. Instead they looked at least a day old and a couple of bodies also had burn marks on them, as if there had been an attempt to cremate them," another senior officer said.

An officer who had served in Vellore district and had nabbed a few red sanders smugglers with the contraband argued that the logs found next to the bodies were another giveaway.

"None of them was freshly cut and instead had rounded edges as if they had been retrieved from one of the godowns. Also they had the dried look and paint patches on them - probably to cover the case numbers painted on them after they had been seized on a previous occasion," the officer explained.

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 09 Apr 2015 07:53

Gus wrote:http://www.telegraphindia.com/1150409/j ... SW6mOH9xzI
"First, no one in the task force suffered any major injuries to justify such a response. More important, the two spots where the firings reportedly happened showed no signs of any struggle or battle. Instead, two of our intelligence officers who were at the spot within two hours after information reached us found the bodies lined up, with bags, water sachets and chappals in matching pairs lying next to them, which exposed that the whole thing was set up post-mortem," the Tamil Nadu officer said.

Had the task force opened fire on a mob, the men would have started to run helter-skelter and would have got shot in any part of the body, especially the back or the legs, the officer said. Instead, all the 20 had bullet wounds either on their chest or on the forehead or the face, suggesting they were shot at close quarters after being secured.

"Also, the wounds would have looked fresh if they had been shot between 5am and 6am on Tuesday. Instead they looked at least a day old and a couple of bodies also had burn marks on them, as if there had been an attempt to cremate them," another senior officer said.

An officer who had served in Vellore district and had nabbed a few red sanders smugglers with the contraband argued that the logs found next to the bodies were another giveaway.

"None of them was freshly cut and instead had rounded edges as if they had been retrieved from one of the godowns. Also they had the dried look and paint patches on them - probably to cover the case numbers painted on them after they had been seized on a previous occasion," the officer explained.

Quoting a Tamil police officer who is obviously not going to jeopardize his career by taking an unpopular stand in his home state, is not a worthy debate point.

In particular his speculatory statements like "the paint was done to cover the case numbers painted on them".. so does he mean the smugglers didnt paint to color code their loot ? And does he know for sure that the logs were not stockpiled even for a day if this activity has been going for over a decade now ?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Apr 2015 08:29

1. Calling those who cut old trees illegally and who set fire to forests to cover up dont deserve to be called "tribals".

2. Calling such people as mere poor coolies is same as calling Jihadis as poor coolies of Pakistan/Islamists, thus condoning illegal activities.

3. If TN govt really cares for "tribals" it can/should give them govt lands and help them get into commercial timber farming.

4. Some idiotic news papers brought caste into this. Perhaps TN political parties & intellectuals should be asked why are they not naming the names & lynching those upper caste Aryan smugglers in the Dravidian paradise of Tamizh land!

5. Since the smugglers are from TN state, perhaps TN govt should catch, arrest & punish those smugglers. This will permanently free those lower caste "tribals" from this smuggling industry.

On its part AP is killing the smugglers & coolies while actively undermining the Reddy/Kamma Mafia behind it.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Apr 2015 09:41

http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/A-Saga-of-Killings-on-Both-Sides/2015/04/08/article2753549.ece

On December 15, 2013, a 200-member gang of workers attacked a forest squad and brutally murdered three forest officials using boulders and knives; Dy Forest Range Officer NR Sridhar (50), Assistant Beat Officer David Karunakar and a Guard were killed by the smugglers.

n the beginning of 2014, one smuggler was killed in an encounter at Settigunta near Tirupati where the smugglers attacked the officers in the Seshachala hill range. In May 2014, in the rear of Tirumala hills and after Kalyani Reservoir, three smugglers were killed at close range in the deep forest. The smugglers pelted stones and tried to attack with knives, and axes, but were gunned down by the police. In August 2014, two smugglers were killed at Gadela of Obulavari Palli mandal in Chittoor district

The last killing of officials took place in Dec 2013.Since then,6 smugglers have been killed according to the report.The last incident reported in the news item took place in Aug 2014

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Apr 2015 09:43

http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Autopsy-Reveals-TN-Loggers-Killed-at-Close-Range-Puts-Spin-on-Cops-Theory/2015/04/09/article2755277.ece

TIRUPATI:The police spin on firing in self-defence at 20 Tamil Nadu loggers suffered a body blow Wednesday as post-mortem reports revealed the bullets that caused their death were shot from a very close range.

The slugs pierced vital organs of the victims which led to their death, medical sources said after forensic experts conducted the post-mortem at Sri Venkateswara Ramnarain Ruia Government General Hospital here. The bodies, brought to the hospital in the wee hours, had started decomposing by then as they were reportedly kept in sunlight for hours at the encounter site.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 09 Apr 2015 09:43

I just got a message from a friend that there was no blood anywhere in the crime scene. Also, the logs were conveniently placed next to dead bodies. Local people say they were not killed at the site but their dead bodies were brought there and placed. Also some of their bodies had severe burn marks which could not have been from guns.
WTF going on?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 09 Apr 2015 10:24

Altair wrote:I just got a message from a friend that there was no blood anywhere in the crime scene.

The Hindu reports that around 8 workers were picked up the day before the firing actually took place. AP Police barged into a bus, pulled out around 8 labourers and took them away. One of their comrades had occupied a seat reserved for women, so he was not identified and pulled out. This fellow ran out of the bus as soon as the police moved away and alerted the relatives of the picked up people.

I feel this is one botched up "encounter", and lots of police officers would now have a sword hanging over their heads. Human rights-wallahs are now involved as well.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 09 Apr 2015 10:31

Altair wrote: WTF going on?

Only blue on blue in BRF. I am tending to think this policy of hiring out of state labour is to do precisely this: Create enough confusion and stir up emotions to mask the true kingpins. Otherwise, what was the need to hire labour from as far away as thiruvannamalai dt?

The whole affair stinks, but ultimately nothing will come of it.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Apr 2015 10:45

If this was cold blooded murder,I hope those who did this pay for it.India should not be a banana state.A clear message needs to be sent.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 10:50

You are thrashing about ramay. Everything points to murder and cover up.

You are defending killers. This is on you. Putting you on ignore list. Should have done long back. You are with good company there.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 11:07

mchilian wrote:

Quoting a Tamil police officer who is obviously not going to jeopardize his career by taking an unpopular stand in his home state, is not a worthy debate point.

we should be quoting the police involved in the killings then. Because they would be unbiased and their views would be a worthy debate point. Got it.

In particular his speculatory statements like "the paint was done to cover the case numbers painted on them".. so does he mean the smugglers didnt paint to color code their loot ? And does he know for sure that the logs were not stockpiled even for a day if this activity has been going for over a decade now ?

Those logs are not fresh. If you have ever bought logs for woodwork and carpentry for home you would know how long it takes for moisture to dry.

Everything we know points to murder. Not self defense.

I have not once made this into a TN , Andhra issue. I have not mentioned these two words in any of my posts above. While there is that angle, it is more of police brazenness and how it can take these forms of oppression. This is not new. Tn police itself killed a bunch of people in vachathi.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Apr 2015 11:31

Yes,agree with Gusji.Let us not make this an andhra-TN issue.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Apr 2015 17:15

svenkat wrote:Yes,agree with Gusji.Let us not make this an andhra-TN issue.

If you read all the news paper reports you posted in the other thread, you wouldn't be blaming forum members doing this.

Gus: Thanks for running away from discussion.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Apr 2015 18:43

The killing of 20 woodcutters, who were apparently linked to a red sanders smuggling mafia, by the Anti-Smuggling Taskforce of Andhra Pradesh raises disturbing questions about police accountability and disproportionate use of force. The woodcutters when asked to surrender by the taskforce are reported to have thrown sickles and stones at the police personnel. The “random shots” fired in “self-defence” by the taskforce in near-darkness killed 20 of the about 100 woodcutters at two sites in the Seshachalam forest. Just a few days ago, the Deputy Inspector General of Police, M. Kantha Rao, had sought the permission of the State government to open fire on those smuggling red sanders. Evidently, the clearance for opening fire came from the very top and the decision to shoot to kill was taken with the full knowledge that there would be protection for the police personnel against prosecution. That two different groups of the taskforce ended up firing at the woodcutters in different parts of the forest at about the same time is deeply troubling and suspicious. The taskforce personnel were unable to arrest any of the other woodcutters. Also, other than those shot dead no woodcutter is known to have suffered injuries. And, none of the police personnel had any serious injury that could have lent credence to the claim of their having fired in self-defence. Woodcutters are only a small part of the well-networked tree-felling mafia, which enjoys the support of rich smugglers and powerful politicians.

The Hindus view is reasonable.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 21:18

http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 755277.ece

“The postmortem team comprised three surgeons from the forensic, pathology and general surgery departments,” said a senior medical officer. After examining the bodies. the team concluded the victims were shot from a ‘very close range’.

obviously the team is full of TN people trying to defend smugglo-naxalo-crime syndicato-jihadi pakis who deserve to die because they were the exact same people involved in killing police before.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 22:07

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1150409/j ... Sa1huH9xzI

The special task force of Andhra Pradesh police has released CCTV footage of purported red sanders smuggling in the hours leading up to the killing of 20 alleged smugglers in the Seshachalam forests in Chittoor district early yesterday to counter criticism that the men were killed in cold blood, not an encounter.
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Rejecting the contention of critics, in Andhra as well as neighbouring Tamil Nadu where the men came from, that the dead were coolies, not smugglers, the minister asked: "Why would the coolies come and spend the night in the forest belt if they were not engaged in such smuggling activities?"

Who is claiming that these people shot were not engaged in smuggling activity? They cut trees illegally, knowing very well that they were involved in smuggling.

The question is - did they attack the police justifying a police response of shooting back?

That question is not answered by this CCTV footage.

the CCTV tells us what we already know....these people were engaged in cutting trees which were illegally smuggled. there is no dispute there.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 22:30

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ap-civil-lib ... 2-127.html
claims of a survivor who tells people were pulled off a bus to be shot later.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 09 Apr 2015 22:53

Don't cremate bodies of six woodcutters till tomorrow: Madras HC on Andhra encounter

CHENNAI: Bodies of six woodcutters, who were among the 20 killed by the Andhra Pradesh police and forest personnel in Seshachalam forests, will be kept in the mortuary of the government hospital in Tiruvannamalai till Friday morning, as Tamil Nadu government on Thursday told the Madras high court that it had no objection for conducting a re-postmortem. The court ordered the authorities not to cremate the bodies till Friday.

A submission to this effect was made by advocate-general of Tamil Nadu A L Somayaji on Thursday when a writ petition filed by Muniammal, wife of slain woodcutter Sasikumar, came up for hearing before Justice M Sathyanarayanan.

During arguments, the judge said that the court could not order re-postmortem in the absence of an FIR and that it could order registration of an FIR since the incident had occurred outside the court's jurisdiction.

He, however, made it clear that the court would not stand in the way if the government takes a decision on the basis of the representation given by Muniammal to the authorities.

To this, Somayaji said government had no objection to perform re-postmortem and said whether it would serve any purpose was a matter to be considered.

He told the court that he could furnish more details on Friday. The judge then directed the Government Hospital in Tiruvannamalai to keep all the six bodies in the mortuary awaiting further orders of the court.

Muniammal said her husband's body was handed over to her on Wednesday. Her counsel, K Balu, said there were chemical marks on the body and there were cut injuries too.

There were grave doubts about the encounter theory of the Andhra Pradesh police, he said, adding that only a neutral postmortem by Tamil Nadu personnel would bring out the truth. She was keen on knowing the truth behind the death, Balu added

If they were taken away by Police from a bus then surely there would be some witnesses , passengers on the Bus, who could come forward and give evidence to prove veracity of the incident. They could also identify the persons taken away by photos of the victims.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 23:24

yes, there should be. One person claimed to have been in the bus and ran away - Sekar - has surfaced. have to wait until what he says can be corroborated by other witnesses.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 09 Apr 2015 23:30

^^ Time for a CBI investigation? Or, at least the re-post-mortem should be done by central authorities, as both states are touchy about each other in such circumstances, and neutrality will always be disputed. If BRF has so many arguments, imagine what will pass for arguments outside

.

[Added later] I still maintain the TN govt jumped the gun on announcing compensation before ascertaining more facts. They could have waited a week after announcing that they will do an investigation first. This sort of announcing compensation immediately sets off the wrong kind of precedent. But, of course, why should OP care about this: ithu enna avar veettu kaasa, kasakkarthukku?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Apr 2015 23:40

Police letting ONE survivor to escape when they killed 20 coolies in cold blood. A Smuggling mafia literally controlling 250 villages in this ring could produce only one survivor. And IBN is the epitome of honest journalism.

[ShobhaDe mode] What next? We want re-re-post-mortem done by Smuggler's resident doctor? Have this case handover along with AP police to TN courts so there is a sense of fairness?

Perhaps TN Gov take back the compensation, round up the smugglers sitting with-in its borders, start a major re-education and rehabilitation campaign in those 250 villages!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 09 Apr 2015 23:48

to me, the primary question is - is the shooting justified.

from what i've seen so far, it is not. there are so many things stacked on this side - police going in announcing they have shooting orders, so they can claim immunity (both the order and immunity are not permissible or possible in indian law), the crime scene evidence - body arrangement, logs placed, no weapons, no trees nearby as bodies are km away from where claimed to be sighted, post mortem reports of shots at close quarters, no injuries to police.

There is NOTHING on the other side of claims, except appeals to authority, guilt by association, vilification of the dead, group punishment arguments etc. oh and CCTV footage of smuggling as though that is proof of these dead were attacking the police.

everything else is secondary (tn govt behavior, assorted activists and commies jumping in, posturing by political parties etc). I don't like this behavior either. But just because they are saying A, B and C along with X, Y and Z - it does not make A, B and C as wrong even if X,Y and Z is wrong.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 10 Apr 2015 03:20

RamaY wrote:However, the law to protect red sanders is inadequate. Under the Andhra Pradesh Act, the maximum punishment is a year in jail and a fine of Rs.10,000.Per reports, this law was found to be inadequate and is now strengthened to include shoot-at-sight orders.

Does anyone know the legal basis of shoot at sight orders? In the context of the armed forces the state govt. needs to declare parts as disturbed areas at which point an officer or NCO can then after warning shoot to kill under the AFSPA. When the Army is called to enforces a curfew in the hinterland as I understand it they need orders from magistrate to use force or enforce curfew and so on.

How does it work in the civilian context? Who issues the orders and under what provisions of the law?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Apr 2015 03:22

anjan wrote:
RamaY wrote:However, the law to protect red sanders is inadequate. Under the Andhra Pradesh Act, the maximum punishment is a year in jail and a fine of Rs.10,000.Per reports, this law was found to be inadequate and is now strengthened to include shoot-at-sight orders.
Does anyone know the legal basis of shoot at sight orders? In the context of the armed forces the state govt. needs to declare parts as disturbed areas at which point an officer or NCO can then after warning shoot to kill under the AFSPA. When the Army is called to enforces a curfew in the hinterland as I understand it they need orders from magistrate to use force or enforce curfew and so on.

How does it work in the civilian context? Who issues the orders and under what provisions of the law?

Saar... in riots police do shoot at sight.. I am sure AP police followed due process because the Task Force head is a DGP level officer. Its mentioned in one of the articles svenkat posted.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 10 Apr 2015 03:30

RamaY wrote: [ShobhaDe mode] What next? We want re-re-post-mortem done by Smuggler's resident doctor? Have this case handover along with AP police to TN courts so there is a sense of fairness?

RamaY garu, assuming you were responding to my post, please don't post from behind someone's hat and attribute things I never said. Where did I say move the court case to TN? In fact, by calling for central investigation, I am asking for both states to be removed from the atmosphere and have a neutral environment for the full facts to emerge. Otherwise, we will be shooting at each other for bias.

In fact, this is what I said earlier, this smuggling ring seemed to be designed to create exactly this sort of FUD between 2 states with a history of good relations, so the real kingpins can fade away or divert the direction of investigations.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 10 Apr 2015 03:53

RamaY wrote:Saar... in riots police do shoot at sight.. I am sure AP police followed due process because the Task Force head is a DGP level officer. Its mentioned in one of the articles svenkat posted.

I'm curious about the actual legal cover for the Police. For the Army it comes from the AFSPA and the parts of the CrPC (130 & 131 from what I can see) and aid to civil authority. These set conditions and grant authority for these actions. For the armed forces these enabling conditions are set and limited by civil (executive) authority. There must be some similar mechanism for the police also. I'm wondering what. Perhaps Sachin knows.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 10 Apr 2015 04:12

Appeal to authority - it was a high level cop so what did must be correct.

The fact remains - no such things as shoot at sight and immunity is possible in that circumstance as claimed by Kantha rao. If they shot in self defense then why did they need these permissions and immunity to begin with. Shooting for self defense is a right the police already have. This itself is an indicator of the intentions going in.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Apr 2015 05:03

Gus garu,

You are missing the woods for trees. Pls do an experiment.
Put all the developments happening around Tirumala for past 10 yrs in a map & tag them as smuggling, forest fires, naxal activity, unmentionable etc... Connect them with developments in Rayalaseema, TN & KTKA.

Then use BRF repertoire to connect the dots.

arshyam ji, no one was the target of that comment.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 10 Apr 2015 05:11

^^ Okay, no worries.

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 10 Apr 2015 07:06

One of the favorite ploys of EJs in that region would be to preach that Lord Venkateswara is a myth because he cannot stop forrest fires in his own backyard, Seshachalam forests. Locals believe it is lord's own garden, but that sanctity is obviously not respected by criminal low lives (from either Andhra or TN).

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 10 Apr 2015 07:36

Police version (translation)-

Special task force was constituted after new govt came to power. They are trying to protect our forest wealth and protecting it with their lives. New govt is strictly implementing a policy against smuggling sanders as a top priority.

When the police force rushed to the area after learning of trees being chopped in huge numbers through night vision cctv cameras, they were pelted with a barrage of stones. It was done ferociously and in dark. When we warned them to surrender, they did not stop and started throwing iron rods and axes. Many police were seriously injured in this attack. We have instructions only to arrest them and not fire at them. But when our own lives were in danger, we had no option.

We only got 20, there must be around 500 in the forest. Hunt is ongoing.

In the past, labor used to surrender when caught. But now, Smugglers are encouraging them to attack cops more violently than surrender as this Sanders smuggling operation has become a big cash cow across India. All the way up to Delhi.

The main culprit responsible for this is a fellow called Bhaskar Naidu - who is smuggling in labor from TN & KA. He is a follower of Gangi Reddy, the kingpin and former Naxal leader, operating from Mauritius, who has close ties with an Indian political party (anybody's guess). Gangi Reddy is an international don with ties to criminal gangs across south-east & east Asia. He is facing criminal charges in Mauritius and 2 Chittoor MLAs from a certain political party funded his legal fees. We know who they are.

He mentions the name of Bhaskar Naidu several times as the key accused. They are on the lookout for him and his followers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLwntS4XZU0