Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

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pankajs wrote:Mining it self will drive demand in heavy commercial vehicle, Freight demand and all allied goods and services and thus help lift the overall economic activity within the country.
My father is in the business on small scale. There are Mining and Environment logjams everywhere in Rajasthan.
Lots of controversies, unsettled disputes, lack of policy clarity and co-ordination between Departments.
Above all, arbitrary and adhoc approach of Governments (State & Centre); frequent interventions from courts and tribunals.
Too many power centres, each with its own philosophy. None of them having the guts to clean the muck and set the whole record straight once and for all.
People aren't willing enough to conduct business or even invest, because of the circus going on.
You don't know whether your lease will stay or get cancelled.
You don't know whether your lease will get renewed or not.
This is on top of the usual red tape and babudom.
How will a person put his money on such a bet !!
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Sachin wrote:
Suraj wrote:It's not a rumour. It's quite likely. One way or the other, they'll raise rates, especially to also fund the utilization of the spectrum though the 4G buildout. We already have among the lowest rates in the world, and they're only going to go up.
Then Modi & Co can be sure to have a few more IEDs lined up their way. The moment the rates go up, no body will think about the existing rates are low etc. I can hear the hollering..."Modi once again favoured the rich TeleCom companies. The poor and down trodden have no rights (to make telephone calls)".
He can still control the outcome. When markets force you into a corner, you will be fighting fire with petrol.
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Sachin wrote:
Suraj wrote:It's not a rumour. It's quite likely. One way or the other, they'll raise rates, especially to also fund the utilization of the spectrum though the 4G buildout. We already have among the lowest rates in the world, and they're only going to go up.
Then Modi & Co can be sure to have a few more IEDs lined up their way. The moment the rates go up, no body will think about the existing rates are low etc. I can hear the hollering..."Modi once again favoured the rich TeleCom companies. The poor and down trodden have no rights (to make telephone calls)".
That is exactly why Modi is telling his MPs to go to the people and explain the steps this governments is taking.
But we know that these losers are no Modi (not even 1%) .. regular politicians only. We know where this is going .. how long wil that man singlehandedly defend his Govt. and at how many places (Parliament and few public appearences)?
This is like the same guy in planning, production, marketing etc etc.
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Virendra wrote:That is exactly why Modi is telling his MPs to go to the people and explain the steps this governments is taking.
But we know that these losers are no Modi (not even 1%) .. regular politicians only.
Agree with you. A good visionary man having trouble, because no capable 2nd rung leaders. :( Not to derail this thread.
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Look, you cannot have first world technology at third world prices. Very little will change for the basic call users, but anyone using smartphones and high end feature phones can expect to pay more, simply because of their substantially greater bandwidth demand. If people go from downloading cheap ringtones to streaming Saas Bahu serials to their phone and still expect to pay the same bill, they are being extremely unrealistic about their demands. Why depend on MPs to explain ? If people are that far out of touch with reality despite all the government's actions nearly doubling their per capita income every 5-6 years, there's no appreciation of the cost of development, and therefore the people do not want a development-oriented government. I'd like to avoid the political implications here, and just want to point out that broadbased economic illiteracy of the sort cannot be fixed by a handful of ministers.
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The purpose of 3G, 4G is to make you avail better services and more features - so you pay more just like you pay more for satellite TV than your local wire cable. The basic calls are probably one of the lowest - so even if they double over a period of time it should not matter. Besides there is TRAI specifically for that purpose.
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That I think is about right. The basic voice service will cost same or a bit more. The value added service like data will perhaps cost more but increasing demand will bring in greater revenue for the telcos with each passing year.

Giving away spectrum cheap did not lower cost to the consumer. It just allowed a few gladiators to make super-normal profit in a very short time by selling the spectrum at 8-10 times cost.
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Again on the same lines, here is something that look counter-intutive at first glance. How is it possible for power companies to pay 2 lakh cr *more* for coal (All Industries and not just power) and yet reduce power tarrif by 97,000 cr hanji?

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 139_1.html
Coal auction: Power tariffs cuts of Rs 97,000 cr, revenue to states crosses Rs 2 lakh cr
Two rounds of auctioning of coal blocks to private companies would see power tariffs coming down by a whopping Rs 97,000 crore.

These tariff cuts would be offered by companies bagging coal blocks reserved for the power sector. Besides the cut in tariff, the likely proceeds from coal auctions crossed Rs 2 lakh crore today.

The amount would go to the state governments as e-auction, royalty, and upfront payment proceeds.

The second phase of e-auction of 13 coal mines to sector majors increased the revenue to mineral rich states for 30 years to Rs 2.05 lakh crore from earlier Rs 1.35 lakh crore, collected in the first phase. While the first phase included 18 producing mines, the second phase had 13 mines from Schedule III comprising mines ready to start production.

The Union government had offered some 11 blocks with power generation as end-use to private companies in the first and the third round of auctioning. “The bidders will give Rs 97,000 crore in tariff concessions. The figure of Rs 37,050 crore given earlier for the first round has undergone a change. Besides, adding to it is the reverse auction in blocks in the third schedule,” Anil Swarup, coal secretary told Business Standard.

Another 42 coal blocks out of 43 allotted to government companies have power sector as their end use. However, since there was no bidding in allotment of these blocks, there is no apparent cut in power tariff but a lower coal cost could help the companies in keeping their fuel component of power tariff low, said Swarup.

Bidding for blocks reserved for power sector was on reverse auction basis—whichever company bid the lowest price below the ceiling price announced by the government emerged the winner.

This lower cost of coal is required to be passed on to companies in lower tariff. Owing to stiff competition, the reserve price which was to act as a ceiling was fixed as zero by the government. For every Rs 100 fall in bid amount, power tariff falls by 6 paise.

In today’s auction, Monnet Power bagged Utkal C mine for a negative Rs 770 a tonne. The block is for power generation and was put for reverse auction. The bidding, however, turned into forward auction. Bidding for Lohari block was still going on.

The government is re-allocating the cancelled coal blocks by the Supreme Court through an e-auction process. The first phase which ran from February 14 to 22 saw auctioning of 18 blocks earning the respective state governments cumulative revenue of Rs 1.35 lakh crore.

Finalisation of the winning bid has, however, been kept pending for three blocks. Jindal Power, BS Ispat and Balco had emerged as winners in these blocks. A decision on the three blocks is expected in a week’s time.
Again for answer study one Jindal power company's model. I forgot which one for there are just too many Jindal this and Jindal that.

Models are very very important for simplifying complex phenomenon. Ofcourse you need to know the right model to study. For coal study Jindal model of enrichment. On land acquisition study the damad shree model of growth.
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Virendra wrote:
pankajs wrote:Mining it self will drive demand in heavy commercial vehicle, Freight demand and all allied goods and services and thus help lift the overall economic activity within the country.
My father is in the business on small scale. There are Mining and Environment logjams everywhere in Rajasthan.
Lots of controversies, unsettled disputes, lack of policy clarity and co-ordination between Departments.
Above all, arbitrary and adhoc approach of Governments (State & Centre); frequent interventions from courts and tribunals.
Too many power centres, each with its own philosophy. None of them having the guts to clean the muck and set the whole record straight once and for all.
People aren't willing enough to conduct business or even invest, because of the circus going on.
You don't know whether your lease will stay or get cancelled.
You don't know whether your lease will get renewed or not.
This is on top of the usual red tape and babudom.
How will a person put his money on such a bet !!
I was referring to these big mines that are under auction and the bidders are in a hurry to get into production.
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Govt set to revise spectrum revenue target as assured amount touches Rs.94000cr ($15.7 billion)
The government is set to surpass its revenue estimates from the spectrum auction, as the assured revenue from the spectrum sale on Monday reached Rs 94,000 crore.

By the end of the fifth day, 31 rounds of bidding had been completed and the committed revenue stood at Rs 94,000 crore, according to the department of telecommunications (DoT). The government had estimated the auction would generate Rs 80,000 crore to 1 lakh crore from the sale of spectrum in four bands — 800, 900, 1,800 and 2,100 MHz.

After securing spectrum in 12 circles in 900 MHz, telecom companies secured spectrum in other bands — seven circles in 800 MHz, four circles in 1,800 MHz and 13 circles in 2,100 MHz, according to the daily report of department of telecommunications. “There is still spectrum which is yet to be sold,” said DoT.

Till now, the most aggressive bidding has happened in the 900-MHz band, which is used for offering voice services. According to new norms, this band can also be used for 3G mobile services. The maximum revenues for the government will also come from this band.

On the first day, the government had received bids for Rs 60,000 crore. The auction is expected to go on for at least two weeks. In the last spectrum auction in February 2014, the government had raised Rs 62,162 crore.
Coal auction: Blocks to private firms might cut power rates
Two rounds of auctioning of coal blocks to private companies would see power rates coming down by Rs 96,971 crore. These rates cuts would be offered by companies bagging coal blocks reserved for the power sector. The likely proceeds from the auctions crossed Rs 2.07 lakh crore on Monday.

Power Minister Piyush Goyal tweeted the revenue was “far in excess of CAG (Comptroller and Auditor General of India) loss estimate of Rs 1.86 lakh crore". The amount would go to state governments as e-auction, royalty, and upfront payment proceeds. Besides, power fuel cost would reduce by Rs 96,971 crore resulting in savings for power consumers. He said lower cost of power would benefit coal bearing states such as Odisha, West Bengal, Jhakhand, Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra.

The second phase of e-auction of 13 coal mines to sector majors increased the revenue to mineral-rich states for 30 years to Rs 2.07 lakh crore from earlier Rs 1.35 lakh crore, collected in the first phase. While the first phase included 18 producing mines, the second phase had 13 mines from schedule III comprising mines ready to start production.

The Union government had offered some 11 blocks with power generation, as end-use to private companies in the first and the third round of auctioning. “The bidders will give Rs 96,971 crore in rate concessions. The figure of Rs 37,050 crore given earlier for the first round has undergone a change. Besides, adding to it is the reverse auction in blocks in the third schedule," Anil Swarup, coal secretary told Business Standard.

Another 42 coal blocks out of 43 allotted to government companies have the power sector as their end use. However, since there was no bidding in allotment of these blocks, there is no apparent cut in power tariff but a lower coal cost could help the companies in keeping their fuel component of power rate low, said Swarup.
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http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=116618

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India poised to be world's third largest economy: Jim O'Neill
As India's investment climate seems to be improving, the moment might not be far away for the country to emerge as the world's third economy, says Jim O'Neill who is better known for coining the acronym BRIC.

"By 2017, India could surpass Italy and Brazil to become the world's seventh largest economy; by 2020, there is a reasonable chance that it will overtake France and the United Kingdom to become the fifth largest," O'Neill, who was recently in India, said.

Way back in 2001, O'Neill, had coined the acronym BRIC -- the grouping of Brazil, Russia, India and China -- while mentioning about growth prospects in large emerging markets.
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operators are losing a bit of traction on SMS now due to presence of whatsapp but making up on data plans which whatsapp needs on the move.
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The spectrum auction is for 20 years. If it fetches the estimated 100000 crore, its about 5000 crore per year for all companies put together, which is not much.
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Arvind Panagariya: Win-win on land
A recent survey published by the non-governmental organisation (NGO) Lokniti offers some answers. According to it, when asked whether they like farming, 28 per cent of the farmers reply outright in the negative. Among the 72 per cent who reply in the affirmative, a whopping 60 per cent say that they like farming because it is their "traditional occupation". Only 10 per cent of them say that farming gives them good income. Most revealingly, 62 per cent of all farmers say that they would quit farming if they could get a good job in a city.

The responses of women and children in farmer households reinforce this picture. When asked if agricultural income is sufficient to fulfil livelihood needs, 67 per cent of the women reply in the negative. And a solid 76 per cent of the children of farmers say that they would prefer to take a profession other than farming. With the spread of education and enhanced access to information on the developments around the world, the young in farmer households have the same aspirations as their counterparts elsewhere in the world.
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Subu Swamy tweeted that PM wanted him to be BRICS bank chief but he declined.

Gives hints into how Modi Govt is looking at Brics bank. Good going.
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Signs of consumer demand pickup:
Passenger car sales up 6.9% in February
With improved consumer sentiment, sales of passenger cars grew by 6.85 per cent in February over a the same month a year earlier, according to data published by the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers (Siam).

However, two-wheeler sales dropped marginally during the month. Domestic passenger car sales were 171,727 units in February as compared to 160,717 units in the same month last year. Total two-wheeler sales in February were down by about one per cent to 12,08,084 units from 12,20,141 units in the same period a year before. Motorcycle sales last month were down 8.2 per cent to 774,122 units; those of scooters rose 18.8 per cent to 370,527 units.

Total sales of commercial vehicles increased by 10.1 per cent to 52,843 units from 47,982 units in the year-ago period. Total sale of vehicles across categories rose 0.15 per cent to 15,26,125 units in February, as compared with 15,23,823 units in the same month last year.

Export of passenger cars dropped 5.5 per cent to 39,814 units. Export of utility vehicles rose 10.8 per cent and export of vans jumped 293 per cent to 421 units from 107 units in the same month a year before.

Overall, commercial vehicle export declined 6.3 per cent, three-wheeler export dropped 31.8 per cent and two-wheeler export was down 3.2 per cent in February 2015.
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Somebody (Kakkaji ?) had asked for a comparison of past and current budgets. Here's one:
Union Budgets 2012-15 comparison: From Pranab Mukherjee, P Chidambaram to FM Arun Jaitley
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^^ Great sign, after years of slow-down in the auto sector which has potential to grow faster than gdp (>8%) if infra projects take off.

China auto sector which has been growing at 10% for a while is experiencing slower than expected growth this year. Orders/manufacturing are being front-loaded which comes with the risk of not able to clear all the channel inventory in the year. Uncertain times as per Chinese standards.


Royal Enfield is another bright spot in make in india story. Outselling Harley-Davidson in mid-sized motorcycle segments. With ambitions to grow in US, RE can do to H-D what Mahindra tractor did to John Deere.

A Cult Motorcycle From India Takes On the World
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EconomicTimes ‏@EconomicTimes 18m18 minutes ago

#LIC to invest Rs 1.5 lakh crore in #IndianRailways over next 5 years http://ow.ly/Kbsd9
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After the initial 'confusion' behind the revised GDP metric, it seems that people are warming up to it:

IMF ups India growth forecast to 7.2% for current fiscal
In its annual assessment report for the country, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) also said India has emerged as one of the fastest-growing big emerging market economies and the growth rate would further accelerate to 7.5 percent in the next fiscal, 2015-16.

The new forecasts have taken into account a revised methodology adopted by India earlier this year for calculating the GDP figures, about which IMF said that the country has "improved the way it measures economic output".

The new methodology, however, has been termed as 'puzzling' initially by some including Chief Economic Advisor Arvind Subramanian and RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan.
Waiting for the fiberal response... :)
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Govt revenues surge to Rs 96,000 cr from spectrum auction
Bids worth Rs 96,000 crore have been received at the end of day seven (auction started on March 4) and 43 rounds of bidding were completed.

According to the Department of Telecommunications: “The bidding is taking place in all bands. Brisk bidding was seen on seventh day with activity requirement set at 100 per cent. There is aggressive bidding going on in 1,800 MHz, 900 MHz and 800 MHz bands. At present, over 84 per cent of the spectrum has been provisionally allocated to bidders at a value of about Rs 96,000 crore. Majority of service areas are going at a premium over reserve price. The competitive bidding is expected to continue. There is still spectrum, which is yet to be sold.”

Experts believe the auction is likely to be over by the end of this week.
Despite unseasonal rains, govt expects record wheat output
The current bout of unseasonal rain has not done much damage to the standing wheat crop and the government is confident wheat production in 2015-16 will surpass last year’s record output of 95.85 million tonnes.
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Cairn Energy Sinks 20% on $1.6 Billion Tax Demand in India
Oil explorer Cairn Energy Plc has filed a formal dispute against a demand for more than $1.6 billion from the Indian tax department, in the latest high-profile tax row to hit Asia's third-largest economy.

News of the potentially costly tax liability, which dates back to the 2007 listing of what was then its Indian operation, wiped almost a fifth off the value of Cairn shares on Wednesday, taking them to their lowest point since October 2008.

Cairn joins a slew of multinational firms including Vodafone Group Plc, Royal Dutch Shell Plc, IBM Corp and Microsoft Corp that have fallen foul of India's tax collectors in recent years.

This latest dispute comes after the Indian government, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, had sought to reduce tax-related litigation and move towards a tax-friendly regime to boost much-needed foreign investment.
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hanumadu wrote:Arvind Panagariya: Win-win on land
A recent survey published by the non-governmental organisation (NGO) Lokniti offers some answers. According to it, when asked whether they like farming, 28 per cent of the farmers reply outright in the negative. Among the 72 per cent who reply in the affirmative, a whopping 60 per cent say that they like farming because it is their "traditional occupation". Only 10 per cent of them say that farming gives them good income. Most revealingly, 62 per cent of all farmers say that they would quit farming if they could get a good job in a city.

The responses of women and children in farmer households reinforce this picture. When asked if agricultural income is sufficient to fulfil livelihood needs, 67 per cent of the women reply in the negative. And a solid 76 per cent of the children of farmers say that they would prefer to take a profession other than farming. With the spread of education and enhanced access to information on the developments around the world, the young in farmer households have the same aspirations as their counterparts elsewhere in the world.
In expected lines...

Now the Govt has to define policies and strategies to help this transition in an effective way for all stakeholders.

Only the people who value farming as a national interest and enjoy doing it must be kept in this sector. All these farmers-by-choice must be helped to become SMBs that are financially self-sufficient and achieve net incomes at par with other sectors (PPP $15,000 per capita or PPP $60,000 per household).

All the other farmers must be helped to acquire other employable skills based on aptitude & attitude.

This is where Govt can be very effective than leave it to jugad & NGO sectors.
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Suraj wrote:Somebody (Kakkaji ?) had asked for a comparison of past and current budgets. Here's one:
Union Budgets 2012-15 comparison: From Pranab Mukherjee, P Chidambaram to FM Arun Jaitley
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RamaY wrote: In expected lines...

Now the Govt has to define policies and strategies to help this transition in an effective way for all stakeholders.

Only the people who value farming as a national interest and enjoy doing it must be kept in this sector. All these farmers-by-choice must be helped to become SMBs that are financially self-sufficient and achieve net incomes at par with other sectors (PPP $15,000 per capita or PPP $60,000 per household).

All the other farmers must be helped to acquire other employable skills based on aptitude & attitude.

This is where Govt can be very effective than leave it to jugad & NGO sectors.
We don't have enough cities for these people to migrate to! Our cities are already bursting at the seams and we aren't building newer bigger cities. Our best bet is to ensure that smaller towns expand and villages are modernised with people having adequate access to education, healthcare and other facilities. All of which is going to take time.
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the new100 cities should be built within a reasonable distance from existing cities like noida came near delhi and greater noida came near noida.
else nobody will want to live there. some showpiece projects like cyberjaya malaysia , eco friendly cities in gulf etc did not take off much.
ordos in inner mongolia is a extreme example.

access to schools, hospitals, range of shopping, parks is important not just living near office.
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aseem manchanda ‏@aseemmanchanda 7m7 minutes ago

@ZeeBusiness Spectrum auction day 8 : government revenue 1,02,057 crores after 49rounds of spectrum auction.
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Govt revenues from spectrum sale crosses Rs 1 lakh cr
The government’s assured revenues from spectrum auction today crossed Rs 1 lakh crore surpassing the target fixed by the government from the sale of the spectrum.

At the end of eight day, the revenues stood at Rs 1,02,057 crore with completion of 49 rounds.

Yesterday (end of day seven), the government revenues had touched Rs 96,000 crore.

The biggest ever auction of spectrum – in 800 Mhz, 900 Mhz, 1800 Mhz, 2100 Mhz bands -- started on March 4.
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Singha wrote:the new100 cities should be built within a reasonable distance from existing cities like noida came near delhi and greater noida came near noida.
else nobody will want to live there. some showpiece projects like cyberjaya malaysia , eco friendly cities in gulf etc did not take off much.
ordos in inner mongolia is a extreme example.

access to schools, hospitals, range of shopping, parks is important not just living near office.
I think that is the plan. The new cities will come along the new highways, industrial corridors and national waterways.
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India's IIP grows 2.6% in Jan, exceeding 0.65% estimate
Industrial growth slowed to 2.6 per cent in January, against 3.2 per cent in December 2014. However, it belied apprehensions of much slower growth in January, expressed by many analysts. The expansion, though was not broad-based and was largely confined to highly volatile capital goods sector.

For the April 2014-January 2015 period, the growth stood at 2.5 per cent, compared with 0.1 per cent in the year-ago period, leading analysts to say it is a bit of a recovery.

Industry-wise, only a few segments rose significantly. While electrical machinery and apparatus rose 28 per cent in January, furniture rose 23.5 per cent. Rubber and plastic products rose 15 per cent and basic metals by around 14 per cent.

The consumer durables segment continued to contract, with output in this segment falling 5.3 per cent in January. For April-January FY15, this segment recorded contraction of 14.2 per cent, against a decline of 12.5 in the corresponding period of FY14. Together with it, fast-moving consumer goods declined, albeit marginally by 0.1 per cent.

The intermediate goods segment contracted 0.8 per cent in January.

The manufacturing sector, which weight of 75.5 per cent in the IIP, expanded 3.3 per cent in January, against 0.3 per cent in January 2014. During the April-January period of FY15, it recorded growth of 1.7 per cent, compared to contraction of 0.3 in the corresponding period of FY14. Mining woes continued, with output in this segment falling 2.8 per cent in January, against a rise of 2.7 per cent a year earlier. Electricity generation increased just 2.7 per cent, compared with 6.5 per cent in the year-ago period. This might affect industrial production in the next few months.
Unfortunately, as posted earlier, the IIP data still used several old data series artifacts, and there remains a lot of gaps to fix before IIP data matches the current series GDP figures. It's hard to treat the IIP figures as more than noise now.

The new base year and methodology changes have resulted in a continuous series of controversies. The problem can be summarized as this: the growth data reported for the last 2 years far exceeds the growth rate of several constituent entities, exports etc. On the other hand, in the 2000s, many constituent entities reported far higher growth rate than topline GDP growth. The general consensus is that data generation in the past was incomplete and broken, and that the current 'high GDP growth' is really growth in those years being reflected into the total numbers to some extent.
Doubts remain on new GDP series
A report from the Emerging Advisors Group, a global consultant, examines the growing divergence between GDP growth as measured by the new set of metrics and key indicators of economic activity which, it feels, correlate well with GDP growth. Economists often rely on proxies such as electricity production to gauge real growth. The 12 indicators it identifies are agricultural and industrial production, credit growth, electricity and cement generation, vehicle sales and freight traffic growth, export volume, corporate sales, the revenue of listed companies and government revenue.

The report contrasts the real growth of each of these indicators during the high-growth phase of 2005 and 2006, when the economy expanded at a scorching annual nine-plus per cent, with their growth in the second half of last year (July to December), when GDP growth according to the revised methodology was just shy of eight per cent.

The divergence is staggering. Almost every data point points to a much lower growth figure. Of all the 12 indicators, only one - power generation - grew faster in 2014 than in earlier years. And, the growth for three other indicators - vehicle sales, freight traffic and cement production - in 2014 could be said to be near those in the earlier years. For all other indicators, a large gap exists.

Part of the difference between the earlier and the new series could be attributed to the inclusion of new data sources, which have a wider coverage, it says. However, if one accepts this, using the same sources for previous years could lead to higher GDP growth in the mid-2000s.

The other, probably more critical change to the way the new numbers have been calculated, is the way value added, especially in manufacturing, has been estimated. The sharp turnaround in manufacturing under the new series is because of the use of a new corporate data base, MCA 21, which has had significant implication for value addition and growth.

For large companies, the difference between value addition under the earlier and new series is significant. Enterprises, the CSO argues, provide post-manufacturing value added, through marketing and other services. This component of value added was earlier being excluded from GDP because it was not covered in the Annual Survey of Industries, although the enterprise concerned belonged to the manufacturing segment.

As all the key economic indicators the report focuses on are essentially volume indicators, this increase in value addition will not get reflected in those. Hence the divergence between the indicators is bound to be present.
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I think it will take 2-3 years for GDP data to really stabilize. GDP growth figures in the 2000s were progressively increased during several revisions, as additional data enabled gaps to be filled.
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Is our Total GDP to Debt Ratio really 120 % ?

Last I saw our Public Debt was 45 % so is our total external borrowing public & private is around 75 % ?

I suspect that data on Debt-to GDP is wrong Indias total debt to GDP ratio is 60 %
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That was a surprise to me too. But then I am not so sure. One way to look at this graph is- SINCE 2007 there is an effort by some countries to reduce the leverage while some have taken the extreme step to keep the game going longer.
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Austin wrote:Is our Total GDP to Debt Ratio really 120 % ?

Last I saw our Public Debt was 45 % so is our total external borrowing public & private is around 75 % ?

I suspect that data on Debt-to GDP is wrong Indias total debt to GDP ratio is 60 %
Saar I think this chart also includes personal lending, Corporate India is a big borrower..
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panduranghari wrote:That was a surprise to me too. But then I am not so sure. One way to look at this graph is- SINCE 2007 there is an effort by some countries to reduce the leverage while some have taken the extreme step to keep the game going longer.
The chart is "Change" in GDP-Debt ratio. India didnt change much.

That means our debt growth is compensated by GDP growth OR whatever additional debt we are taking, it is to fuel GDP growth.
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The 120% includes personal+private loans+ggovernment loans external + internal...anycase it is quite low.
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That's right. Nothing remarkable in that chart. Goverment debt is around 60-70% of GDP. The rest is in private hands. The latter has increased, suggesting government debt is down, probably due to higher inflation helping pay down nominal debt.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ind ... 559925.cms
Make in India: Foreign firms producing in India may get to sell online
NEW DELHI: Foreign investors setting up manufacturing facilities in India will be able to access the country's rapidly growing online market as part of the Narendra Modi-led government's plan to attract overseas capital in the languishing manufacturing sector.

The department of industrial policy and promotion (DIPP) has floated a cabinet note to implement the policy announced in the government's first full budget last month.

The cabinet note explicitly defines manufacturing to prevent any misuse of the policy, an official said, adding that the move will give a big boost to foreign funded home-grown entities such as Fabindia that are engaged in manufacturing as well as retailing and are keen to expand to online platforms while making the sector lucrative for foreign investment.
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While 100% foreign direct investment is allowed in business-tobusiness e-commerce, foreign investment is not allowed in companies selling directly to consumers, or business-to-consumer e-commerce. The government is not keen on opening up ecommerce to FDI as it sees this as a backdoor entry for overseas investment in multi-brand retail, something the ruling BJP opposed in its election manifesto.

Allowing manufacturers to sell directly to consumers through ecommerce is seen as a big incentive to attract foreign investment in the sector. The move could also open the doors for entities that are engaged in third-party manufacturing and outsource part of production to local producers to widen their customer base through online selling
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"Country of Origin rules under Free Trade Agreements would typically prescribe for 25-30% value addition in country for a product to be treated as manufactured in that country. This can be a good benchmark even from a FDI policy standpoint.

A manufacturer should be free to sell its products to consumers (including online) and should not be subjected to rigour of FDI guidelines on trading sector," said Akash Gupt, executive director, PwC. "Alignment of definition to Income Tax Act can help prevent any potential misuse of the window," he added.
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The loan off take from major groups is almost nil now. Much less than last year. I feel Moneybags are fearing honesty in Delhi darbar. I personlly follow most of the money bag accounts. There is nothing as of now. Bankers also not pushing much. Not good.
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