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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 17 May 2017 21:05

I would say core engg...avoid soft fluffy electives meant for future pptgiri. One need not sell oneself to the dark side at ug level imo.

Mech chem aero ee ece is a mass of tough math . Great..embrace pain now ... now is the time for young hoplites to answer the call hu hu hu than sit in a tent 10miles behind thermopylae being a budding product mgr

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Yayavar » 17 May 2017 21:18

kya baat hai Singha saar... It makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Vikas » 17 May 2017 22:40

Every Senior VP and his uncle are constantly talking about Digitization,Automation,Cloud and IoT but has no idea what to do with these and how to make money out of it. Heck some are still stuck with AMS model of the past and believe Good days are just around the corner once again.

I am part of pptgiri team whose job is to feed fancy sounding evolutionary model and path to 'Achche Din' slide decks to Jarnails of the KB.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Yayavar » 17 May 2017 22:51

What is AMS model?
ppt-giri, documnetation, papers, mailing lists -- You have to convince who holds the purse strings or keys to whatever you want.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 17 May 2017 23:47

http://www.lightreading.com/carrier-sdn ... msg_249698

Details on googles free wifi at railway stn project
116 stns up ao far

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Gus » 18 May 2017 00:10

starting salary, opportunities to company hop and increase salaries rapidly etc won't be there in 'core' companies, but a few nephews, nieces in nondescript colleges were getting placed from civil and mech streams.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Yayavar » 18 May 2017 02:29

^^didnt understand

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby NRao » 18 May 2017 05:39

Vikas wrote:Every Senior VP and his uncle are constantly talking about Digitization,Automation,Cloud and IoT but has no idea what to do with these and how to make money out of it. Heck some are still stuck with AMS model of the past and believe Good days are just around the corner once again.

I am part of pptgiri team whose job is to feed fancy sounding evolutionary model and path to 'Achche Din' slide decks to Jarnails of the KB.


:rotfl:


Seriously, India should produce at least one OS and competition for the likes of Google. If not engines, sensors, missiles, etc, at least leave a footprint in IT.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 18 May 2017 07:35

Yayavar wrote:^^didnt understand


if you meant Gus post, he meant the youngistani mode of working <=2 yrs a in a job before jumping for a promo and 30% hike does not apply to any non-itvity sector. infact it does not apply to itvity as well now.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 18 May 2017 07:36

there is no new OS development anywhere i know of . people add to existing OSes and needs are served . take a look at top univs - you will hardly find any groups working on OS/networking as its a mature area.

application sw, databases, AI, engines, missiles, sensors see continuous next gen work in contrast.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby NRao » 18 May 2017 08:05

Singha wrote:there is no new OS development anywhere i know of . people add to existing OSes and needs are served . take a look at top univs - you will hardly find any groups working on OS/networking as its a mature area.


1) There WAS an effort at Madras IIT (campus - perhaps not the univ itself), about an year ago, that actually had caught the attention of shakers and movers (academic) outside India. Not sure where it is today
2) I am talking of doing something useful - NOT making money (BTW, I do NOT think companies like Facebook, Twitter or even Google are doing much "good" - they make a ton of money for sure)

application sw, databases, AI, engines, missiles, sensors see continuous next gen work in contrast.


Does India "lead" (as opposed to "follow") in any of these fields?

With the brain power India has (as one example: more than 50% of Accenture's human assets are in India) it ought to lead. Set the trend.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Neshant » 18 May 2017 09:44

News from late 2015.

Looks like a custom build of Linux with some goodies added in.

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Indian Government Is Launching Its Own Operating System 'BOSS' To Replace Microsoft Windows
September 16, 2015

Indian Government will soon have its very own, home-grown operating system for official purposes. The Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) has developed a highly secure OS, called Bharat Operating System Solutions or BOSS. The system has successfully passed a crash test which the DRDO, Indian Army and other state-entities have been working hard to clear with their own systems.

BOSS is India's answer to hacks that created havoc in China and the US.

While the main purpose behind using BOSS is to make Indian IT machinery hack-proof, it will also aid towards scaling down the country-wide use of Microsoft Windows in government offices.

The current version of BOSS is an update over its 2007-predecessor, that lacked user-friendly features and speedier upgrades.

"We have no dearth of developers here. BOSS has almost all the features that one can get in, say, Windows. The earlier version was less user-friendly and had few features. We will seek help of Indian software biggies to develop it further," confirmed an official.

The government is planning to roll it out this week.


http://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/in ... 45255.html

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby shravanp » 18 May 2017 09:47

Singha wrote:
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Those afraid of death shall die...



saar that is also said in Amitabh Bachan's movie "Muqaddar ka Sikandar". Wise words!

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 18 May 2017 10:04

>> (BTW, I do NOT think companies like Facebook, Twitter or even Google are doing much "good" - they make a ton of money for sure)

well goog and fbook they are among the word leaders in large scale web services, microservices, distributed databases, AI , driverless, algorithms, data mining, server farm design, white box designs, new language development, FOSS contributions to their fields .... like boeing and lockheed they have a solid technology base and ability to build offerings as desired from internal resources (who writes a new language when others will work ok but google did with golang). what we see on surface via the public "face" like google search, youtube , gmail etc is perhaps 10% of the iceberg. they can pay to hire the cream of crop from any university in the world.

i would say they will be the titans for quite some time.

this is similar to the old AT&T also running a huge bell labs setup on the side.

amazon is also in very strong posture albeit without the hoopla that accompanies these two. they talk softly but wield a big stick. microsoft has reinvented itself and looks all set for a long stay at the crease.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Marten » 18 May 2017 10:07

Singha wrote:http://www.lightreading.com/carrier-sdn/nfv-%28network-functions-virtualization%29/google-puts-cloud-native-nfv-to-the-test-in-india/d/d-id/732594?piddl_msgid=249698#msg_249698

Details on googles free wifi at railway stn project
116 stns up ao far

Used it this morning. My 4g connection was quicker even at 4am with no other users around. Given the cost of data, most smartphone users would do better than phree but slow WiFi.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 18 May 2017 10:08

virtualization has become a dirty word in exec suites
bare metal + containers has pushed it out of the pptx decks

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 18 May 2017 10:09

Marten sir, spoken in a post Jio world.....before that airtel vodafone were happy to rape people on data plans, doing the bare minimum possible. often in middle of ORR I could not catch a 3G connection :D

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Marten » 18 May 2017 10:20

Regarding Boeing etc., not sure about the Aero related s/w, but they are followers in other areas. Their primary contractors in India would be HP, so Openstack etc using vendors etc. Therefore their supposed contributions would be minimal. What we need to do is check the community contributions of each Co. You would be surprised by the Japan contingents.

Singha saar, I just canceled an Airtel connection because I couldn't get even three bars in the heart of the city!

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Sachin » 18 May 2017 15:49

I Was Part Of Indian IT's Dream Run. It Changed.
Nice article. Perhaps would echo with many of the people out here. BR also actually grew along side the IT wave in India ;).

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 18 May 2017 16:32

as he rightly says, the focus growing in revenue, size and not on a roadmap for the future..

It is not that companies were not aware of the dangers but the market was so good that any serious attempt to do anything took a back seat. All the big IT firms could have taken technology initiatives to prepare for the future by "moving up the value chain", but these were feeble at best.

Investing in technology with long payback periods did not seem prudent when the same investments in the present had the potential to make the stock markets happier in the short term. Top performers usually stayed away from these technology initiatives because the limelight was on cracking multi-million deals with the existing offerings and lording over very large teams. This conveniently dovetailed into the traditional Indian mindset of placing thinking and supervising over doing. Managers got busy creating large fiefdoms for themselves. The question being posed was: what is the size of the team being led by you (euphemism for how many people work under you) and not on what cutting edge technology your team was preparing!


Employees wanted to become managers at the earliest and didn't want to focus on technology. Technology, the cornerstone of the IT industry, was being ignored. A perfect storm was brewing!


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in contrast let us look at facebook. it was started from a dorm by a few people , no different from the founders of infy in IQ or education. granted that america had a better internet to spread their net wide and they deliver a centralized service "always on latest green code" with no "per customer" services or legacy support tail needed stretching back 10 yrs - the bane of HW cos like netz ... still they could sat back making money hand over fist via ads once that got monetized......but they are not still back and smoking cigars....they are trying many different things to prepare new revenue streams and groups of employees for the same. amazon pivoted from ecommerce to cloud services . microsoft went from counting its desktop app money to cloud services and cloud rented apps. they must have had internal teams working on such POCs for years to pivot so quickly and successfully. these are big changes and it takes courage for leaders to say no to easy money to bet on 100 things out of which 95 will surely fail.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 18 May 2017 16:37

the future might be medium size IT services co of say <= 10,000 people and usually smaller than 5000 who will make a start a point higher up the value chain than the rock bottom. they will pay at par with the best around incl the msft types to attract and retain the best. and other than a few account managers in same time zone, they wont have any offshore teams. and they will likely be partly into products as well for 50% of topline than attempting to scale headcount to grow topline.

the $50k/employee loaded cost vs $500k in a successful prod co is a losing proposition and numbers reach points like 2-3 Lakhs. bigger stuff like walmart and indian railways survive due to highly distributed nature of that massive workforce and tasks or just inefficiencies being tolerated in the system.

Mahmud of ghori ghazni had smaller armies and pillaged parts of india.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Vikas » 18 May 2017 23:12

Every hour has its need and need of the previous era was large behemoth with huge number of bodies too throw at.
We would not have grown and reached this point in IT if not for having safety in numbers. There was obviously quality in quantity.
Not every army can be mongol or Hoon army which is lean, mean and nimble footed. Now that the rules of the warfare are slowly changing, like bacteria we will adapt to the changing world and come out winner.
To paraphrase someone, "We did not fight our ways to reach the top of IT Foodchain to give it up so easily to AI, Cloud and IoT".

Like Pakis we will find new Gods of IT and start praying to them.
IT revolution is dead, Long live the IT revolution.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby KJo » 19 May 2017 02:36

I agree with the Singha and Vikas. We cannot keep doing what we have been doing and expect success. Indian IT companies need to get into more intellectual areas and this "throw more bodies because we have organisms that breathe" will not work anymore. The mood is moving away from offshoring like what was like in previous years.
A new IT strategy is needed. I hope Indian companies come up with IT solutions for Indian problems rather than merely serving the west.

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Postby KrishnaK » 19 May 2017 04:28

NRao wrote: 2) I am talking of doing something useful - NOT making money (BTW, I do NOT think companies like Facebook, Twitter or even Google are doing much "good" - they make a ton of money for sure)
This is exactly the problem. What's required are products at the level of Google search or Apple. Once revenues starts flowing, you can invest and make technology. There is no comparison between Accenture and Google, MS, AWS, Apple, FB, Twitter etc, none. Even in that group, the likes of Goog, MS stand apart because of their research strength. One reason is money and the other is requirements. You need scale on the scale of Challenges in Building Large-Scale Information Retrieval Systems to build Spanner and employ people like Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Eric Brewer, Urs Hozle, and dozens of others who've changed the industry.

Btw OS research still has life. With the increasing security issues and bugs, there's room for a breakthrough product on that front. Backend can be patched constantly, but it's not that easy at the consumer end.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 19 May 2017 07:09

I read vaguely of some means to detect and prevent modification of firmware and os libraries on emedded devices in a netz talk.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 19 May 2017 07:24

Some of the cos like sasken did try in initial years to take a product or component basd israeli type path but i think either drying up of business or desire to scale topline they became in the end more like the others.
Mindtree too lost its way somewhere and does not appear in news anymore

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 19 May 2017 11:14

linkedin pulse survey of 25 deired employers in india. there may be a bias as govt jobs and manufacturing jobs are not posted or reviewed via linkedin, but the list only has reliance that makes anything physical

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/linkedin ... th-charlie

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Postby Vikas » 19 May 2017 11:29

KJo wrote:I agree with the Singha and Vikas. We cannot keep doing what we have been doing and expect success. Indian IT companies need to get into more intellectual areas and this "throw more bodies because we have organisms that breathe" will not work anymore. The mood is moving away from offshoring like what was like in previous years.
A new IT strategy is needed. I hope Indian companies come up with IT solutions for Indian problems rather than merely serving the west.


KJo, Misfortunately people who need to device new strategies and formations are product of 'Our USP is cheap Labor and huge numbers' so I am pretty pessimistic about solutions coming out of our Top Tier IT companies. I see this mindset in my KB all the time.
I do pptgiri, jazzy slides on all new age tech stuff but then slip in massive number of resources as covering artillery fire when presenting to potential clients.
No one is actively working on any strategy except for ,'Let the project come and then we will train people on-the-job'.
Most of the money from IT still lies in west hence no getting away from serving the west for few more years.

What I am optimistic about is that the landscape has become flat and irrespective of where one is located, Business and money will flow as long as innovative solutions can be provided. New kids on the block are more confident, knowledgeable , aggressive and willing to take risks. The IT world around us has leaped from Landline to Mobile era without many of us even realizing it.

The fact the IT companies carry lot of flab and it needs to be shed is more critical now than ever.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 19 May 2017 11:39

next waves of change always emerge from small and medium cos anywhere....the big incumbents are sluggish to change , have lot of mgmt layers and face the problem of cannibalizing good existing revenue to chase some future prospect. i think the book innovators dilemma also covers this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator%27s_Dilemma

Clayton Christensen demonstrates how successful, outstanding companies can do everything “right” and yet still lose their market leadership – or even fail – as new, unexpected competitors rise and take over the market. There are two key parts to this dilemma.

Value to innovation is an S-Curve: Improving a product takes time and many iterations. The first of these iterations provide minimal value to the customer but in time the base is created and the value increases exponentially. Once the base is created then each iteration is drastically better than the last. At some point the most valuable improvements are complete and the value per iteration is minimal again. So in the middle is the most value, at the beginning and end the value is minimal

Incumbent sized deals: The incumbent has the luxury of a huge customer set but high expectations of yearly sales. New entry next generation products find niches away from the incumbent customer set to build the new product. The new entry companies do not require the yearly sales of the incumbent and thus have more time to focus and innovate on this smaller venture.

For this reason, the next generation product is not being built for the incumbent's customer set and this large customer set is not interested in the new innovation and keeps demanding more innovation with the incumbent product. Unfortunately this incumbent innovation is limited to the overall value of the product as it is at the later end of the S-curve. Meanwhile, the new entrant is deep into the S-Curve and providing significant value to the new product. By the time the new product becomes interesting to the incumbent's customers it is too late for the incumbent to react to the new product. At this point it is too late for the incumbent to keep up with the new entrant's rate of improvement, which by then is on the near-vertical portion of its S-Curve trajectory.

Through this compelling multi-industry study, Christensen introduces his seminal theory of “disruptive innovation” that has changed the way managers and CEOs around the world think about innovation.

Christensen then argues that the following are common principles that incumbents must address

Resource dependence: Current customers drive a company's use of resources
Small markets struggle to impact an incumbent's large market
Disruptive technologies have fluid futures, as in, it is impossible to know what they will disrupt once matured
Incumbent Organizations' value is more than simply their workers, it includes their processes and core capabilities which drive their efforts
Technology supply may not equal market demand. The attributes that make disruptive technologies unattractive in established markets often are the very ones that consisted their greatest value in emerging markets
He also argues the following strategies assist incumbents in succeeding against the disruptive technology

They develop the disruptive technology with the 'right' customers. Not necessarily their current customer set
They placed the disruptive technology into an autonomous organization that can be rewarded with small wins and small customer sets
They fail early and often to find the correct disruptive technology
They allowed the disruption organization to utilize all of the companies resources when needed but are careful to make sure the processes and values were not those of the company

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 19 May 2017 11:39

that is why large cos continue to buy maturing startups and do spin-in deals

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Postby gauravsh » 19 May 2017 11:47

Singha wrote:linkedin pulse survey of 25 deired employers in india. there may be a bias as govt jobs and manufacturing jobs are not posted or reviewed via linkedin, but the list only has reliance that makes anything physical

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/linkedin ... th-charlie


Saar, after looking at the list i won't take it seriously. Some of the data points on which the calculation was done, will always favor mass employers.
Our methodology takes into consideration three main pillars to uncover the companies our members are most interested in now: job applications, both views and applies on postings; engagement, with employees as well as with the company directly; and retention, how many employees are sticking around for a year or longer.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 19 May 2017 11:57

Sure. these surveys should be taken just for a general trending and "noise dB" ...

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Neshant » 22 May 2017 09:37

Snapchat should not expand to "poor countries like India" : CEO

Pompliano said Spiegel had abruptly cut him off after he expressed concern about the app not taking off overseas and offering some solutions. According to the Variety report, Spiegel told Pompliano: "This app is only for rich people. I don't want to expand into poor countries like India


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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby SRoy » 22 May 2017 10:56

^^
Old news.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 22 May 2017 18:11

he has denied it later. end of story, even if it was a story.

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Indian IT Industry

Postby Peregrine » 29 May 2017 22:43

Chinese market opening up for Indian IT firms amid losses in US

BEIJING: Even as Indian IT firms have begin to suffer setbacks in the US market, a new opportunity is opening up in China, which is keen to invite them to participate in the big data sector.

This was evident to a delegation comprising executives of 10 Indian IT companies, who went about scouting for business opportunities during an international conference on big data in Guiyang, the capital of China's Guizhou province last week.

In a rare move, the Guizhou province invited Rajendra Pawar, the chairman of NIIT, to become a member of its advisory committee for development of Big Data business with the help of international collaborations. NIIT, which has a strong presence in China's IT education scene, has opened its largest big data training facility in Guiyang.

"China has very closely observed the phenomenon where Indian IT sector has grown by adding huge value to developed countries. This is why they would like to collaborate with Indian companies in a big way," Pawer told TOI.

Chinese companies are now seeking collaboration with Indian firms in complex areas like analysing large blocks of data, and putting them to wider use. They have also shown interest in investing in Indian start-ups, Gagan Sabharwal, director of industry body, NASSCOM, said.

"All companies in our delegation are extremely hopeful of landing business in China. They are ready to invest in local presence, and work with local agencies," Sabharwal, who led the delegation said. "Getting Chinese investments in the early stages of IT firms would be very helpful. So far, we have had Chinese investments in Indian IT companies, which have already grown and proved their worth," he said.

The Communist Party secretary of Guiyang, Chen Gang, told journalists that he has visited India twice, and developed a high respect for the capabilities of Indian IT companies. He expressed confidence that collaboration between Chinese and Indian companies on big data business would be a win-win proposition for both sides. The party secretary is the highest official in a city or a province in China.

NASSCOM has been negotiating with the Guizhao provincial government with assistance from the Indian Embassy in Beijing for nearly two years, and positive results are now emerging, Sabharwal said.

The provincial governor Sun Zhigang is expected to visit New Delhi and Bangalore in June when several deals are expected to be inked. Heads of two Indian IT companies said they were very close to signing deals, while several others are working out various parameters for collaboration in the coming weeks.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 30 May 2017 10:29

tencent and alibaba and whoever they are proxies for are bigly into flipkart and paytm the two large survivors of this year.


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