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A PhD candidate can receive an MS degree too in the course of doing a PhD. He probably dropped out after receiving an MS but before completing PhD.
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yes I think thats what he did. he did his MS in materials and manufacturing...hence the applied materials stint makes sense.
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Many business schools in the US allow a PhD candidate to take a MS degree after two years in the PhD program if they choose to leave.
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In India, Rural Internet Rollout Remains a Pipe Dream.
India’s Communications Ministry has big plans to connect hundreds of millions of villagers to the Internet. But for now, it is struggling to conquer email.
In a cramped government office, a secretary tells a visitor that it will take 15 minutes for an email she sent to arrive in his inbox. The local broadband connection is poor, he explains.
When the message does arrive, he prints it and carries it to his boss, Aruna Sundararajan, head of Bharat Broadband Network Ltd., the state enterprise spearheading India’s Web-expansion push. Ms. Sundararajan prefers to have some of her work email delivered by hand.
This is where Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s dream of a “Digital India” meets reality.
In early July, the leader of the world’s largest democracy outlined ambitious plans to get rural Indians onto the information superhighway—in large part by ramping up a long-delayed effort to connect hundreds of thousands of villages to the national Internet backbone using fiber-optic cable. The original 2013 target date for completion has been shunted back to 2019.
“India may have missed the industrial revolution, but will not miss the IT revolution,” Mr. Modi said, pledging to hook up 600 million rural Indians for online access to government services, education, e-commerce, banking and health care.
Accomplishing that is a tall order. Fiber-optic cables—which transmit data at high speeds and at a lower cost than satellite or spectrum technology—can be difficult to put down in hard-to-reach areas. The installation program that started in 2011 is woefully behind schedule: Just 1% of the planned 250,000 central village hubs are connected to the Internet, according to the government.
Mr. Modi is trying to kick the project into high gear by slashing red tape. The premier also set up the Committee on the National Fibre Optic Network to evaluate the previous government’s plan to lay 372,000 miles of last-mile cable at a cost of $3.1 billion. It has issued a report saying almost three times as much cabling is required and that the price tag for the government will rise to about $11.2 billion.
“The old plan was a rural road, this is a broadband highway, a superhighway,” Ms. Sundararajan said.
The committee also recommended allowing greater participation by state governments and the private sector in the construction and maintenance of a network that so far has been in the hands of a few state-owned behemoths. The proposals are awaiting cabinet approval.
“The private sector is ready to go,” said Ankit Agarwal, global head of telecom products at Pune-based Sterlite Technologies Ltd., which is one of the government’s main cable suppliers.
Private firms are expected to deliver and operate the village hubs’ fiber-optic networks in 10 of India’s 29 states—including some of its largest—and lay cable in at least three others, according to the network committee’s report.
Jaideep Ghosh, a partner at KMPG India who focuses on telecoms, said the industry wasn't “overly excited to take part.” He cited the expected slow pace of the installation and that telecommunications companies have already reached the most-lucrative population centers. Phone and cable companies “are focused on markets where money can be made.”
Work in India is speeding up. More than 11,500 miles of optical fiber have been laid between April and June this year, a huge improvement from the same period a year ago, when around 250 miles of fiber was installed.
But the task ahead remains gargantuan. In 2013, 1.06 billion Indians were still without Internet access, according to a report by McKinsey & Co. Internet penetration was 15% in India, compared with 46% in China.
If connectivity can be improved in Asia’s third largest economy, it could become a vast new marketplace for online companies. Amazon has set up an Indian arm to tap India’s e-commerce market, which is set to soar to over $100 billion in the next five years from the current $11 billion, according to Morgan Stanley.
Local e-commerce companies such as Flipkart Internet Pvt. and Snapdeal.com, owned by Jasper Infotech Pvt. Ltd., have been getting large-scale financial backing from investors. In October, Japan’s SoftBank Corp. invested more than $600 million in Snapdeal.
India’s shortcomings in building traditional infrastructure mean it doesn’t have the roads, bridges, power lines and predictable electricity supply that would make it easier to connect the country.
Getting access to land through India’s myriad local and federal government bodies that control access to rights of way has also checked momentum.
Work on the network has so far only begun in 19% of the village clusters, and of those, 15% have faced delays getting access to the land because of red tape, according to the committee’s report.
A shortage of duct through which to feed the fiber has also held progress back, as have problems with the government-developed technology to connect the cables to the schools, community centers and hospitals they are meant to serve with the Internet.
“It is a monumental project but it really can be a game changer for India,” said Ms. Sundararajan. “We’re going from dial-up to actual broadband pace.”
India’s Communications Ministry has big plans to connect hundreds of millions of villagers to the Internet. But for now, it is struggling to conquer email.
In a cramped government office, a secretary tells a visitor that it will take 15 minutes for an email she sent to arrive in his inbox. The local broadband connection is poor, he explains.
When the message does arrive, he prints it and carries it to his boss, Aruna Sundararajan, head of Bharat Broadband Network Ltd., the state enterprise spearheading India’s Web-expansion push. Ms. Sundararajan prefers to have some of her work email delivered by hand.
This is where Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s dream of a “Digital India” meets reality.
In early July, the leader of the world’s largest democracy outlined ambitious plans to get rural Indians onto the information superhighway—in large part by ramping up a long-delayed effort to connect hundreds of thousands of villages to the national Internet backbone using fiber-optic cable. The original 2013 target date for completion has been shunted back to 2019.
“India may have missed the industrial revolution, but will not miss the IT revolution,” Mr. Modi said, pledging to hook up 600 million rural Indians for online access to government services, education, e-commerce, banking and health care.
Accomplishing that is a tall order. Fiber-optic cables—which transmit data at high speeds and at a lower cost than satellite or spectrum technology—can be difficult to put down in hard-to-reach areas. The installation program that started in 2011 is woefully behind schedule: Just 1% of the planned 250,000 central village hubs are connected to the Internet, according to the government.
Mr. Modi is trying to kick the project into high gear by slashing red tape. The premier also set up the Committee on the National Fibre Optic Network to evaluate the previous government’s plan to lay 372,000 miles of last-mile cable at a cost of $3.1 billion. It has issued a report saying almost three times as much cabling is required and that the price tag for the government will rise to about $11.2 billion.
“The old plan was a rural road, this is a broadband highway, a superhighway,” Ms. Sundararajan said.
The committee also recommended allowing greater participation by state governments and the private sector in the construction and maintenance of a network that so far has been in the hands of a few state-owned behemoths. The proposals are awaiting cabinet approval.
“The private sector is ready to go,” said Ankit Agarwal, global head of telecom products at Pune-based Sterlite Technologies Ltd., which is one of the government’s main cable suppliers.
Private firms are expected to deliver and operate the village hubs’ fiber-optic networks in 10 of India’s 29 states—including some of its largest—and lay cable in at least three others, according to the network committee’s report.
Jaideep Ghosh, a partner at KMPG India who focuses on telecoms, said the industry wasn't “overly excited to take part.” He cited the expected slow pace of the installation and that telecommunications companies have already reached the most-lucrative population centers. Phone and cable companies “are focused on markets where money can be made.”
Work in India is speeding up. More than 11,500 miles of optical fiber have been laid between April and June this year, a huge improvement from the same period a year ago, when around 250 miles of fiber was installed.
But the task ahead remains gargantuan. In 2013, 1.06 billion Indians were still without Internet access, according to a report by McKinsey & Co. Internet penetration was 15% in India, compared with 46% in China.
If connectivity can be improved in Asia’s third largest economy, it could become a vast new marketplace for online companies. Amazon has set up an Indian arm to tap India’s e-commerce market, which is set to soar to over $100 billion in the next five years from the current $11 billion, according to Morgan Stanley.
Local e-commerce companies such as Flipkart Internet Pvt. and Snapdeal.com, owned by Jasper Infotech Pvt. Ltd., have been getting large-scale financial backing from investors. In October, Japan’s SoftBank Corp. invested more than $600 million in Snapdeal.
India’s shortcomings in building traditional infrastructure mean it doesn’t have the roads, bridges, power lines and predictable electricity supply that would make it easier to connect the country.
Getting access to land through India’s myriad local and federal government bodies that control access to rights of way has also checked momentum.
Work on the network has so far only begun in 19% of the village clusters, and of those, 15% have faced delays getting access to the land because of red tape, according to the committee’s report.
A shortage of duct through which to feed the fiber has also held progress back, as have problems with the government-developed technology to connect the cables to the schools, community centers and hospitals they are meant to serve with the Internet.
“It is a monumental project but it really can be a game changer for India,” said Ms. Sundararajan. “We’re going from dial-up to actual broadband pace.”
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Develop Strategic Plans for U.S. Supercomputer Leadership –
National Nuclear Security Agency
Situation Snapshot:
Maintaining global leadership in supercomputer development is a U.S. national priority. The driving force has been the National Nuclear Security Agency’s Advanced Simulation and Computing (ASC) program. ASC unites the resources of three national laboratories (Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia) with computer manufacturers and university researchers. Their goal is to develop and deploy advanced capabilities that can simulate nuclear weapons tests to ensure the safety and reliability of the nation’s nuclear stockpile without underground testing. While the various labs and programs all had individual plans, the lack of a single overarching plan resulted in overlap and gaps.
Approach:
We guided a task force of ASC program leaders from the three labs in developing a high-level strategic plan. This began with creating a robust organizing framework that could accommodate such a dynamic and complex program. The project required integrating multiple planning documents with related technology blueprints. Most importantly, it required solidifying process interactions among the multiple supercomputing stakeholders.
Results:
The resulting plans have guided continuing supercomputer breakthroughs. The latest systems operate at trillions of operations per second with power equivalent to 100,000 high performance PC’s linked together! These supercomputers are also being used for medical simulations, genetic computing, aerospace design, global climate modeling, financial system modeling, and other sophisticated scientific applications. Thanks to ASC, the United States remains the world leader in this critical technology.
National Nuclear Security Agency
Situation Snapshot:
Maintaining global leadership in supercomputer development is a U.S. national priority. The driving force has been the National Nuclear Security Agency’s Advanced Simulation and Computing (ASC) program. ASC unites the resources of three national laboratories (Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia) with computer manufacturers and university researchers. Their goal is to develop and deploy advanced capabilities that can simulate nuclear weapons tests to ensure the safety and reliability of the nation’s nuclear stockpile without underground testing. While the various labs and programs all had individual plans, the lack of a single overarching plan resulted in overlap and gaps.
Approach:
We guided a task force of ASC program leaders from the three labs in developing a high-level strategic plan. This began with creating a robust organizing framework that could accommodate such a dynamic and complex program. The project required integrating multiple planning documents with related technology blueprints. Most importantly, it required solidifying process interactions among the multiple supercomputing stakeholders.
Results:
The resulting plans have guided continuing supercomputer breakthroughs. The latest systems operate at trillions of operations per second with power equivalent to 100,000 high performance PC’s linked together! These supercomputers are also being used for medical simulations, genetic computing, aerospace design, global climate modeling, financial system modeling, and other sophisticated scientific applications. Thanks to ASC, the United States remains the world leader in this critical technology.
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India's tech prowess at play, as tax e-filing hits record high
India's information technology prowess has been vindicated. On an average, 1.5 million people e-filed their tax returns everyday, during the last four days of August, much more than the combined daily average bookings of the Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation (600,000) and Flipkart (100,000).
On August 30 and 31, 1,500-2,000 e-filings were recorded every minute, going up to 3,000 at the peak. According to officials at the income tax department's central processing centre (CPC) here, where teams from Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) and Infosys are collocated with tax officials, there were 18.4 million e-filings of income tax returns as of August 31, 15 per cent higher than a year ago.
While TCS manages the e-filing portal, Infosys manages the CPC.
"We had almost 6.5 million hits on the site on August 31. The number of returns filed on non-peak days was a few thousand. This crosses 200,000 10 days prior to due dates. But the system has been designed to handle three-four million returns a day," said an official, on condition of anonymity.
"We are pleased with the growth in volume this year," said Tanmoy Chakrabarty, vice-president and global head of government business at TCS. "This enthusiasm of taxpayers is contributing to India becoming more digital," he added.
PAPERLESS FILING
18.4 million e-filings of I-T returns as of August 31
15 per cent increase in e-filing of returns over the previous year
6.5 million hits recorded on the e-filing portal on August 31
1.5 million returns filed each day on an average, during the last four days of August
3,000 e-filings recorded every minute during the peak period
Taxpayers were seen spending more time on the portal for e-verification
The e-filing portal has been managed by Tata Consultancy Services since 2012, after it bagged a five-year contract
Infosys manages the central processing centre of the I-T dept
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last date has been extended to Sept7 to net more.
its not really as intensive at the back end as IRCTC so not really a apples to apples comparison. one downloads a java tool or xls with macros and inputs the data . it calculates taxes and you generate a XML file with the data. the last step is upload the XML file and get a acknowledgement. so the only two steps are downloading file and uploading XML where back end is used. also one return is not linked to anyone else's.
in IRCTC it has to search based on your query, constantly keep track of how many seats are available , do your money transaction, generate eticket....its far more computation at back end and database updates and reads. it will need a world class soln to be fast and responsive across the country. google and fbook are not good examples since my search or page update does not have any relation to others doing the same.
IRCTC probably handles a lot more crunch load than the airline booking worldwide systems galileo et al which are phased out across 24hrs.
its not really as intensive at the back end as IRCTC so not really a apples to apples comparison. one downloads a java tool or xls with macros and inputs the data . it calculates taxes and you generate a XML file with the data. the last step is upload the XML file and get a acknowledgement. so the only two steps are downloading file and uploading XML where back end is used. also one return is not linked to anyone else's.
in IRCTC it has to search based on your query, constantly keep track of how many seats are available , do your money transaction, generate eticket....its far more computation at back end and database updates and reads. it will need a world class soln to be fast and responsive across the country. google and fbook are not good examples since my search or page update does not have any relation to others doing the same.
IRCTC probably handles a lot more crunch load than the airline booking worldwide systems galileo et al which are phased out across 24hrs.
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My understanding is that IRCTC rides piggy-back on the core reservation system of IR, which was rolled out during 1980sSingha wrote:IRCTC probably handles a lot more crunch load than the airline booking worldwide systems galileo et al which are phased out across 24hrs.
. The data crunching part, I guess happens in the core system. But IRCTC being a web site gets much more load than the core system, and I guess that is what collapsed IRCTC web site. But now looks like they have made some good changes, introduced staggered Tatkal bookings etc., and the site seems to have stabilised.But hats off to the IT engineers who designed and developed the core computerised reservation system for the railways. They did it in the 1980s, when most of Indians would have not even seen a PC. They had to do the networking, and developing a reservation system which works all through out the country. The "any place to any place, reservation from another place" feature, I have not even seen that rolled out in railways of foreign countries.
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Afaik CMC limited now owned by Tatas implemented the IR reservation system.
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here is a paper that describes the design and network of the IRS.
http://borjournals.com/Research_papers/ ... 1356IT.pdf
this is definitely one of the most richly functional, successful and battle tested reservation system in world history. unfortunately some pathetic weed or wine delivery app coded in SFO will get way more visibility and shabaashi than this big old dog that keeps humming quietly...same for IBM/HPs systems that run the banks, financial markets , transport networks, airlines .... no cookies for that.
http://borjournals.com/Research_papers/ ... 1356IT.pdf
this is definitely one of the most richly functional, successful and battle tested reservation system in world history. unfortunately some pathetic weed or wine delivery app coded in SFO will get way more visibility and shabaashi than this big old dog that keeps humming quietly...same for IBM/HPs systems that run the banks, financial markets , transport networks, airlines .... no cookies for that.
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Internet governance: US considering India's pitch to locate 'root server'
India has made a bid to be a major player in global Internet governance — by making a pitch with the US to locate a 'root server' in India. There are only 13 such servers,of which 10 are in the US, two in Europe and one in Japan. The US, Indian officials told ET on the condition of anonymity, is favourably disposed to the idea. A root name server, as it's technically known, is at the base of the Internet. These servers translate readable host names into IP addresses, which is how a user gets to the right portal link.
In short, root name servers are essential to name resolution, which is at the core of managing the Internet.These root servers also have mirror servers — six are in India — that are networked to share the load. Any change in Internet addresses gets simultaneously updated in a root server. And a change in any one server automatically reflects in other root servers.
Senior officials told ET that India made its pitch at the IndoUS cyber dialogue two weeks ago, making the point that New Delhi's acceptance of the US backed stakeholders model on Internet governance should also encourage Washington to diversify structures of Internet management. At present, the 10 root servers in the US are mostly located in NASA, military research labs and universities.
The US, officials said, was positive in its response and asked India to start a conversation with ICANN on the subject.However, it did the make the point that such a decision may be possible only if a call is taken to have a 14th root server. New Delhi, on the other hand, feels that even relocating one of the 13 servers will go a long way in displaying confidence in India's democratic credentials. Moreover, India now has the thirdlargest Internet user base.
STRATEGIC PRIORITY
The Modi government has, in fact, elevated Internet governance as a strategic priority. In a recent decision, the PMO has made it clear that all calls related to this subject will be taken by astanding committee headed by the deputy national security adviser. The committee will have relevant stakeholders, including the Department of Information Technology, which was until now the nodal ministry.
Senior officials told ET that a root server will give India considerable clout in the Internet governance structure besides prompting a major technological upgradation within the country. "Placing a root server in India will also be a great symbol of trust in IndoUS relations," said an official.
In the meeting with US authorities, India also raised the issue of slow compliance of Indian requests by USbased Internet services such as WhatsApp and Facebook. In particular, the Muzaffarnagar riots case was brought up where an inflammatory YouTube video went viral through WhatsApp causing serious law and order problems. Indian security agencies have complained that they just could not block the video because of lack of cooperation from WhatsApp managers. While the US has said it will look into the issue, it also cited problems enforcing its will upon private enterprises.
India, on its part, has made a strong case based on which further talks are expected.
India has made a bid to be a major player in global Internet governance — by making a pitch with the US to locate a 'root server' in India. There are only 13 such servers,of which 10 are in the US, two in Europe and one in Japan. The US, Indian officials told ET on the condition of anonymity, is favourably disposed to the idea. A root name server, as it's technically known, is at the base of the Internet. These servers translate readable host names into IP addresses, which is how a user gets to the right portal link.
In short, root name servers are essential to name resolution, which is at the core of managing the Internet.These root servers also have mirror servers — six are in India — that are networked to share the load. Any change in Internet addresses gets simultaneously updated in a root server. And a change in any one server automatically reflects in other root servers.
Senior officials told ET that India made its pitch at the IndoUS cyber dialogue two weeks ago, making the point that New Delhi's acceptance of the US backed stakeholders model on Internet governance should also encourage Washington to diversify structures of Internet management. At present, the 10 root servers in the US are mostly located in NASA, military research labs and universities.
The US, officials said, was positive in its response and asked India to start a conversation with ICANN on the subject.However, it did the make the point that such a decision may be possible only if a call is taken to have a 14th root server. New Delhi, on the other hand, feels that even relocating one of the 13 servers will go a long way in displaying confidence in India's democratic credentials. Moreover, India now has the thirdlargest Internet user base.
STRATEGIC PRIORITY
The Modi government has, in fact, elevated Internet governance as a strategic priority. In a recent decision, the PMO has made it clear that all calls related to this subject will be taken by astanding committee headed by the deputy national security adviser. The committee will have relevant stakeholders, including the Department of Information Technology, which was until now the nodal ministry.
Senior officials told ET that a root server will give India considerable clout in the Internet governance structure besides prompting a major technological upgradation within the country. "Placing a root server in India will also be a great symbol of trust in IndoUS relations," said an official.
In the meeting with US authorities, India also raised the issue of slow compliance of Indian requests by USbased Internet services such as WhatsApp and Facebook. In particular, the Muzaffarnagar riots case was brought up where an inflammatory YouTube video went viral through WhatsApp causing serious law and order problems. Indian security agencies have complained that they just could not block the video because of lack of cooperation from WhatsApp managers. While the US has said it will look into the issue, it also cited problems enforcing its will upon private enterprises.
India, on its part, has made a strong case based on which further talks are expected.
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Not sure if this is the thread for this, but I am trying to find some resources for my Raspberry Pi projects. Ultimate goal being a sub-2000 rupee 'kit' for farmers that will allow them to analyse, predict and upload their soil health data to local krishi bhavan / govt data centres so they may get timely advice on improving soil health situations. Ambitious, I know. However from my quick analysis, I believe the most expensive parts are the sensors
I am intending to open source the design, so local NGOs can take it up if they find it useful. Ultimately a cloud connected device would provide a large data set for the government to be able to do full data analysis and create intelligence on crop output and soil health.
I am intending to open source the design, so local NGOs can take it up if they find it useful. Ultimately a cloud connected device would provide a large data set for the government to be able to do full data analysis and create intelligence on crop output and soil health.
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Do not know where to post this, but certainly needs a read:
google and beyond the new silicon valley kingpins
google and beyond the new silicon valley kingpins
The secret to their success goes far beyond their ability to climb the corporate ladder. Indians now make up around 6% of the Silicon Valley workforce. But, from that 6% come the founders of more than 15% of Silicon Valley start-ups.
That's more than those from Britain, China, Taiwan and Japan combined, according to a 2014 study by Professor Vivek Wadhwa, the Indian-born entrepreneur who holds academic positions in US universities: Singularity, Stanford and Duke. In the US as a whole, the study shows, almost a third of start-ups are launched by Indians, outnumbering the next seven immigrant groups combined.
According to 2010 census data, the most recent figures available, Indian Americans have the highest average annual household income of any group at $86,135 compared with $51,914 for the total US population.
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all it means is we had the worst brain drain in 70s, 80s and 90s.
israel, taiwan, china, UK retained more of their top brains and have ARM, security sw giants, mediatek and so many domestic champions.
this is certainly nothing to feel proud of imo as a nation.
israel, taiwan, china, UK retained more of their top brains and have ARM, security sw giants, mediatek and so many domestic champions.
this is certainly nothing to feel proud of imo as a nation.
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What type of soil health data?
Basic PH measurement can be done using litmus paper and using smartphone camera to measure intensity. Something like this or this.
There are also sensors now that can connect directly with a smartphone and use the smartphone as the computing/communication interface.
There's also this Kickstarter funded project that's packaging multiple sensors into 1 package that can then be used by a smartphone.
http://sensordrone.com/
Basic PH measurement can be done using litmus paper and using smartphone camera to measure intensity. Something like this or this.
There are also sensors now that can connect directly with a smartphone and use the smartphone as the computing/communication interface.
There's also this Kickstarter funded project that's packaging multiple sensors into 1 package that can then be used by a smartphone.
http://sensordrone.com/
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And today's problem is http://www.bloggerabhilash.info/2015/09 ... E3kQG.dpuf Not just in IT but many other spheres of life.Singha wrote:all it means is we had the worst brain drain in 70s, 80s and 90s.
israel, taiwan, china, UK retained more of their top brains and have ARM, security sw giants, mediatek and so many domestic champions.
this is certainly nothing to feel proud of imo as a nation.
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Better with braindrain than brain IN the drain.Singha wrote:all it means is we had the worst brain drain in 70s, 80s and 90s.
israel, taiwan, china, UK retained more of their top brains and have ARM, security sw giants, mediatek and so many domestic champions.
this is certainly nothing to feel proud of imo as a nation.
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"We Are IT Labour Contractors, Not IT Super Power: Javadekar"
This is today's quote from the central environment minister. He refers to India as essentially a body shopping place,with low cost arbitrage.
He mentions the lack of a Google, Facebook, Operating System et al, from India as yet.
Singha, I'm sure you have something to say on this- I distinctly remember your dismayed/annoyed post from 15 years ago on the BR forum!
A few forum posters, including myself, were referring to India doing 'coding' or programming, and that there is nothing at all wrong with this, since this is the activity which employs the most people, and jobs are important. If India doesn't do coding/programming/trouble shooting etc, then there are any number of Vietnamese, Filipinos, Chinese, Russians and Romanians to step right in. At this point, you came in and denounced the 'inane discussion'
And then spoke of India's impressive achievements, including work for Intelsat or Immarsat, IIRC.
This is today's quote from the central environment minister. He refers to India as essentially a body shopping place,with low cost arbitrage.
He mentions the lack of a Google, Facebook, Operating System et al, from India as yet.
Singha, I'm sure you have something to say on this- I distinctly remember your dismayed/annoyed post from 15 years ago on the BR forum!
A few forum posters, including myself, were referring to India doing 'coding' or programming, and that there is nothing at all wrong with this, since this is the activity which employs the most people, and jobs are important. If India doesn't do coding/programming/trouble shooting etc, then there are any number of Vietnamese, Filipinos, Chinese, Russians and Romanians to step right in. At this point, you came in and denounced the 'inane discussion'
And then spoke of India's impressive achievements, including work for Intelsat or Immarsat, IIRC. Re: Indian IT Industry
you sure have a long memory I do not remember what I was doing yesterday.
the emergence of indian products and brands can only happen on the back of a giant domestic market and favouritism by the govt to the extent of stacking the deck in their favour - everyone does it - usa, soko, japan, china is the latest.
other than that, they have by hook or crook pushed up zte, huawai, haier, lenovo etc.
govt can continue to focus on power, roads, healthcare, fiber cables, ports, airports, education....rest will follow as a natural process...there is no country with good indicators in such matters which is not doing well in general terms.
a google does not appear out of thin air in isolation. the base of knowledge and manpower had been built up from the 1950s era of aerospace cos followed by enterprise sw cos in bay area.
being a open society warts and all, everything one says about india is true - one can always find +ve and -ve examples to support ones case.
I do not remember what I was doing yesterday. the emergence of indian products and brands can only happen on the back of a giant domestic market and favouritism by the govt to the extent of stacking the deck in their favour - everyone does it - usa, soko, japan, china is the latest.
other than that, they have by hook or crook pushed up zte, huawai, haier, lenovo etc.
govt can continue to focus on power, roads, healthcare, fiber cables, ports, airports, education....rest will follow as a natural process...there is no country with good indicators in such matters which is not doing well in general terms.
a google does not appear out of thin air in isolation. the base of knowledge and manpower had been built up from the 1950s era of aerospace cos followed by enterprise sw cos in bay area.
being a open society warts and all, everything one says about india is true - one can always find +ve and -ve examples to support ones case.
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Agreed. Silicon Valley didn't happen overnight. ww2 -> defence -> electronics -> computers -> software. While it is true that Indian IT is mostly about labor contracting, we need not be upset about it. One has to start somewhere. One has to start with nuts and bolts to eventually build a rocket. The 90s IT "labor contracting" created wealth and an aspiring middle class which has the potential to create something big. So many start ups in Bangalore from middle class people. Unthinkable in 80s and 90s. Govt should not expect that a Google will suddenly happen in India. Govt should ensure good law and order, infrastructure and right economic policies and hope for the best.Singha wrote: a google does not appear out of thin air in isolation. the base of knowledge and manpower had been built up from the 1950s era of aerospace cos followed by enterprise sw cos in bay area.
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English is an advantage but also a disadvantage for our IT. What works in other countries can simply be used as is in India, like an amazon or google. I think baidu, alibaba were successful because there is no foreign competition or at least not as much as in India's case. There should be start ups developing web sites catering exclusively to Indian languages. That way you avoid competition from foreign websites while growing.
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i think you have a point, the sinic masses are also not as anglicized as our own...so baidu, alibaba, sina, weibo with some govt help could fend off the americans. google and fbook are heavily monitored in cheen - i think google is permitted but search results deeply filtered and fbook is banned except in some diplomatic zones. some people posted in china use vpn to outside offices to access fbook.
i believe walmart have failed in europe also though...places like germany. amazon seems to have succeeded.
i believe walmart have failed in europe also though...places like germany. amazon seems to have succeeded.
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It can't work, Indian language websites can only cater to a certain section of information on the web, such as cricket or bollywood. Try finding anything technical for instance. Impossible.hanumadu wrote:English is an advantage but also a disadvantage for our IT. What works in other countries can simply be used as is in India, like an amazon or google. I think baidu, alibaba were successful because there is no foreign competition or at least not as much as in India's case. There should be start ups developing web sites catering exclusively to Indian languages. That way you avoid competition from foreign websites while growing.
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If a PM is even photographed with a Indian industrialist for a normal event, it leads to all sorts of weird "suit boot/in pocket of corporate" type hungama and govt starts backtracking and having to justify even meeting the industrialist.the emergence of indian products and brands can only happen on the back of a giant domestic market and favouritism by the govt to the extent of stacking the deck in their favour - everyone does it - usa, soko, japan, china is the latest.
other than that, they have by hook or crook pushed up zte, huawai, haier, lenovo etc.
In such a scenario, can the bolded ever happen in Desh?
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Any global company can provide services in Indian languages. It's not a strong differentiating factor.
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Government lays broadband fibre in 68,000 village panchayats.
The government has laid down 90,000 kms of optical fibre network for high speed broadband connection, covering about 68,000 village panchayats till date, Telecom Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad has said. "We are connecting about 2.5 lakh village panchayats. We have made it BharatNet. Only 2,000 kms (of OFC) was laid under the previous government.
"In last 14 months, we have covered nearly 90 thousand kilometers, including about 68 thousand panchayats," he said at India Economic Convention 2015.
The project was started at the time of UPA government but could not be completed during their tenure.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led NDA government has set a deadline to complete roll out of optical fibre network across all village panchayats by the end of 2016.The Modi government has remodelled the project as BharatNet. The new models proposed under BharatNet will be implemented after Cabinet approves it.
Prasad said that 18 states have expressed interest to roll out BharatNet project using special purpose vehicles.
He said that government is promoting electronics manufacturing by offering various incentive scheme like electronics manufacturing cluster (EMC) and Modified Special Incentive Package scheme.
"When I became Minister, we had just two electronics clusters approved. Today, we have 20 in last 14-15 months," Prasad said.
The Minister said that states are competing among themselves to set up EMC.
"When our government came, investments proposals of electronics manufacturing worth Rs 10,000 crore only had come. Today, I am very happy to tell you I took a briefing this morning itself. In last 15 month, investment proposals worth Rs 1.04 lakh crore have come in India for electronics manufacturing," Prasad said.
Some large electronics companies have submitted their proposal and very soon they will start production in the country, he added.
The government has laid down 90,000 kms of optical fibre network for high speed broadband connection, covering about 68,000 village panchayats till date, Telecom Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad has said. "We are connecting about 2.5 lakh village panchayats. We have made it BharatNet. Only 2,000 kms (of OFC) was laid under the previous government.
"In last 14 months, we have covered nearly 90 thousand kilometers, including about 68 thousand panchayats," he said at India Economic Convention 2015.
The project was started at the time of UPA government but could not be completed during their tenure.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led NDA government has set a deadline to complete roll out of optical fibre network across all village panchayats by the end of 2016.The Modi government has remodelled the project as BharatNet. The new models proposed under BharatNet will be implemented after Cabinet approves it.
Prasad said that 18 states have expressed interest to roll out BharatNet project using special purpose vehicles.
He said that government is promoting electronics manufacturing by offering various incentive scheme like electronics manufacturing cluster (EMC) and Modified Special Incentive Package scheme.
"When I became Minister, we had just two electronics clusters approved. Today, we have 20 in last 14-15 months," Prasad said.
The Minister said that states are competing among themselves to set up EMC.
"When our government came, investments proposals of electronics manufacturing worth Rs 10,000 crore only had come. Today, I am very happy to tell you I took a briefing this morning itself. In last 15 month, investment proposals worth Rs 1.04 lakh crore have come in India for electronics manufacturing," Prasad said.
Some large electronics companies have submitted their proposal and very soon they will start production in the country, he added.
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Indians now make up around 6% of the Silicon Valley workforce.
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are they talking about the subset of IT workforce, or the universal set of total employed in the valley in all jobs? 6% seems latter.
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are they talking about the subset of IT workforce, or the universal set of total employed in the valley in all jobs? 6% seems latter.
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Diploma dropout uses techie's documents to get loans, MNC jobs
A diploma dropout not only got jobs at Mphasis and Convergys but also took loans from two banks and defaulted on payment. All this he did by impersonating a software engineer and misusing his academic certificates and other documents.
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What we should also understand/realise is that after impersonating a software engineer this drop out could remain in the job rolls of two companies for years together. Which meant that his own immediate supervisors and bosses further up, found his quality of work to be quite good. Which throws up another question - if a Diploma drop out could easily carry out of the tasks meant to be done by a "software engineer" (B.Tech), then is that also the quality of the work which is given away to Indian IT companies? I remember another friend of mine who cribbed that he has a B.Tech in Mechanical engineering, and was working on a job which can be easily done by a "draftsman" (a trade in ITI). He was working in a small MNC, which modelled/designed parts of ships etc.
A diploma dropout not only got jobs at Mphasis and Convergys but also took loans from two banks and defaulted on payment. All this he did by impersonating a software engineer and misusing his academic certificates and other documents.
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What we should also understand/realise is that after impersonating a software engineer this drop out could remain in the job rolls of two companies for years together. Which meant that his own immediate supervisors and bosses further up, found his quality of work to be quite good. Which throws up another question - if a Diploma drop out could easily carry out of the tasks meant to be done by a "software engineer" (B.Tech), then is that also the quality of the work which is given away to Indian IT companies? I remember another friend of mine who cribbed that he has a B.Tech in Mechanical engineering, and was working on a job which can be easily done by a "draftsman" (a trade in ITI). He was working in a small MNC, which modelled/designed parts of ships etc.
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Since you brought it up, I am hard-pressed to find any work that 90%+ of our leaders & sr managers do in IT, which cannot be done by a class 10 pass with reasonable common sense. In fact, I am sure that will do a better job.Sachin wrote:Diploma dropout uses techie's documents to get loans, MNC jobs
A diploma dropout not only got jobs at Mphasis and Convergys but also took loans from two banks and defaulted on payment. All this he did by impersonating a software engineer and misusing his academic certificates and other documents.
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What we should also understand/realise is that after impersonating a software engineer this drop out could remain in the job rolls of two companies for years together. Which meant that his own immediate supervisors and bosses further up, found his quality of work to be quite good. Which throws up another question - if a Diploma drop out could easily carry out of the tasks meant to be done by a "software engineer" (B.Tech), then is that also the quality of the work which is given away to Indian IT companies? I remember another friend of mine who cribbed that he has a B.Tech in Mechanical engineering, and was working on a job which can be easily done by a "draftsman" (a trade in ITI). He was working in a small MNC, which modelled/designed parts of ships etc.
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Looks like the IT companies also realise thisschowdhuri wrote:Since you brought it up, I am hard-pressed to find any work that 90%+ of our leaders & sr managers do in IT, which cannot be done by a class 10 pass with reasonable common sense. In fact, I am sure that will do a better job.
‘Indian IT firms among world’s worst paymasters’
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Seriously, that must be like 5 times more in PPP terms considering the cost of living in India. Maybe, it is time to drop the hint to the Thozulali union in KL that the best 'Nokukoolie' is given by the IT industry and they should apply for jobs in Bengaluru, KL.Indian IT companies are among the 10 worst paymasters in the world, says a survey -- a mid-level IT manager draws an average salary of $41,213 while his Swiss counterpart gets over four times more.
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^^ An average salary of 41,000 USD in India?
Wow...
Wow...
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switzerland has perhaps the highest cost of living in europe, if not the world.
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Actually 6% seems less than it should be.Gus wrote:Indians now make up around 6% of the Silicon Valley workforce.
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are they talking about the subset of IT workforce, or the universal set of total employed in the valley in all jobs? 6% seems latter.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/ ... 486946.cms
Indian Americans now constitute 22.6% of the population in Cupertino, 18.08% in Fremont, 15.52% in Sunnyvale, 13.75% in Yuba City, 13.64% in Santa Clara, 11.46% in Union City and 11.34% in San Ramon.
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http://www.techrepublic.com/article/ind ... -managers/
While the desi IT cos are the primary culprits for this situations, an average desi IT pro is equally responsible for this skill gap.
This phenomenon not only has produced hordes of wannabe managers that understand neither management nor technology, but also has killed off careers of many genuine techies.
So, bad is the situation that senior level technical positions are advertisement as some sort of management positions.
While the desi IT cos are the primary culprits for this situations, an average desi IT pro is equally responsible for this skill gap.
This phenomenon not only has produced hordes of wannabe managers that understand neither management nor technology, but also has killed off careers of many genuine techies.
So, bad is the situation that senior level technical positions are advertisement as some sort of management positions.
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^ Actually that article itself is an example of what is wrong with India and in particular it's IT , they are falling into the same trap today about Product Management as 10-20 years ago when they fell into the trap of Management or Project Management in particular. The general idea being floated around is that in a product company product manager is the position to be in they are glamorizing this position in the similar fashion as a manager's position a decade or two back. Issue is both project manager as well as product manager role in Indian companies are being pursued because they are getting glamorized with little or no coding involved again those who are in these roles please don't take this personally but the issue is message is being sent down to the worker bees that if one wishes to go up in R&D department after say Principal SW Engg your career path virtually hits a dead end whereas if you can talk and build things like a product road map you can move up in senior kernail positions because product management today is a separate vertical in most of the product companies . You get to hob nob with sales team to get a feel from field about required features , you meet the clients specially big customers to get a feedback on existing product and then obviously you get to tell the developers what needs to be done , now all this sounds fancy and is not an easy job but trust me writing code is equally laborious the difference is it has no glamour and networking possibilities, so no one writes an article on the real problem i.e. we have a real shortage of good folks in 5-15 year experience band who not only can code but want to continue to write code or make things well into their late 30s .
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^^
Absolutely Negi.
I get stares of disbelief when I tell others outside my organization that I'm a product manager and I was awake for last two nights debugging through half a million lines of code.
Some people are not just able to understand that unless you are a first rate developer yourself you will never be an architect or a product manager.
Absolutely Negi.
I get stares of disbelief when I tell others outside my organization that I'm a product manager and I was awake for last two nights debugging through half a million lines of code.
Some people are not just able to understand that unless you are a first rate developer yourself you will never be an architect or a product manager.
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Hope this is true. I can fill the gap!SRoy wrote:http://www.techrepublic.com/article/ind ... -managers/
While the desi IT cos are the primary culprits for this situations, an average desi IT pro is equally responsible for this skill gap.
This phenomenon not only has produced hordes of wannabe managers that understand neither management nor technology, but also has killed off careers of many genuine techies.
So, bad is the situation that senior level technical positions are advertisement as some sort of management positions.
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KJo a neighbour of ours is moving to join amazon in chennai...