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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Yagnasri » 16 May 2017 21:11

In respect of Goa, you will not get an Auto at all. All taxis are costly. Travelling from one place to another is quite costly. I was there on office work so I could afford to pay. But normally people may payments of these amounts is difficult.

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Postby Singha » 16 May 2017 21:15

some kind of mafia operates there. some of the taxis are pvt cars really allied to hotels. a real pain to pay like that if not living in panjim.

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Postby rahulm » 16 May 2017 22:22

There are autos and these are better than autos in any other part of India, solid FRP doors means no rain water ingress and safety from another mafia group - the bag snatchers.

However, if the taxis cost 400% more than other parts of India then the autos are 300% more. Both are organised crime.


In general, it is not possible to hail a taxi or auto from the street. Autos are usually at stands and every private car is potentially an (illegal) taxi.

Goa is unique for also,having motor cycle taxis called 'Pilots'. These have a yellow front mid guard.


The going rate for an airport taxi permit is around 12 lakhs.

I have a whole list of auto and taxi contact phone numbers collected over a peroid of time from and for for different parts of Goa.

kadamba (the government bus operator) used to run a good airport to Panaji connect AC bus service but was discontinued largely due to,pressure from the taxi mafia.

We democratically elect crooks who largely look after other crooks. That's the deal.the victims end up,on BRF :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Zynda » 18 May 2017 19:48

As expected, GM is shutting sales shops in India. Chevy brand will be phased out of India soon (end of 2017). GM will continue to manf cars in India for exports and it will continue to operate its engineering centre in Bangalore. I think some groups/teams with-in Bangalore centre were involved in modifying US/EU spec cars for Indian conditions. I know a couple of dudes who were hired to work on strengthening some of the current GM cars for the upcoming Indian vehicle crash norms. There may be some lay-offs for sure in the upcoming months.

A tweet about current lay-offs from AutoIndia Editor!
More GM India exit news. New Beat launch off. Severance pay-3 months for employees less than 3 years. 45 days per year for those above 3 yrs


GM additionally is also pulling out of South Africa along with India by the end of 2017. A couple of years ago, GM decided to exit Russia and it has put some of its plants on sale in Eastern Europe. Currently, outside of US, GM's strongholds are China & Brazil.

General Motors Will Stop Selling Cars in India

General Motors said it will stop selling vehicles in India, the latest retrenching by the U.S. auto maker as it redirects investment in future technology and bolsters its presence in more-lucrative markets where it has a leadership position.

Once the world's biggest car company in terms of sales, GM has been retreating from several major and unprofitable markets under Chief Executive Mary Barra. In doing so, it has withdrawn from a race with Toyota Motor, Volkswagen and the Renault-Nissan alliance for the industry's coveted sales crown.

While GM will continue building products in India to sell in other countries, its decision to pull out of the market in the world's second-most populous country reflects a wider recalculation of where it should be laying bets. It has centered most of its emerging-markets investment on China and Brazil.

India's car market is fragmented, and auto makers that succeed there typically have a frugal approach to engineering. While selling cars in a market with millions of new buyers annually increases scale, turning a profit is difficult there, and other auto makers have expressed frustration. In March, Ford Motor finance chief Bob Shanks said the crowded market and weak pricing make India "very difficult" and Ford's approach "needs to change."

GM is also pulling out entirely from South Africa, with plans to sell its relatively small manufacturing operation there to Isuzu Motors Ltd. The departures follow GM's decision to pull out of Russia in 2015 and the pending sale of its European division, Opel, to Peugeot.

"In the most important markets where we have the strongest franchise, we're in it to win it," GM President Dan Ammann said in an interview. Although GM is notching record profits on strong sales in the U.S. and China, Mr. Ammann said the company still operates "in a world of finite resources."

Toyota, Ford, Honda Motor and the Renault SA-Nissan Motor venture all have sizable sales operations in India, but all trail local companies in the race for volume.

In addition to China and the U.S., the world's two biggest markets, GM is focused on South America, Mr. Ammann said. At the same time, the auto maker is investing about $600 million a year on self-driving car engineering, car-sharing ventures and development aimed at helping the 109-year-old auto maker compete with Silicon Valley tech giants looking to edge in on the car business.

"If we're going to allocate resources to develop leading capability there, what are the things we're going to stop doing in order to support that?" Mr. Ammann said. GM's recent investments in companies like ride-sharing company Lyft and the purchase of San Francisco autonomous-vehicle startup Cruise Automation "forces a resource-allocation discussion."

GM has been working to shore up losses in many countries included in its international operations division. Profits from China put that unit in the black, but the rest of those markets, including India, South Africa, the Middle East and several Asian countries, lost a combined? $838 million in 2016.

GM expects to book a charge of about $500 million during the current quarter to cover the moves in India and South Africa. It anticipates future savings of $100 million a year as a result of the strategy.

GM entered the Indian market a century ago, selling Chevrolets there in 1918 and opening a factory near Bombay in 1928. It left the country along with other foreign auto makers in 1958 and returned in 1995.

This latest departure represents a rare vote of no-confidence in the Indian market among global car makers. All of the world's major auto companies have a presence in India, which is projected to eventually overtake Western Europe as the No.3 vehicle market in the world.

GM is a small player, however, selling about 29,000 vehicles in India last year, representing market share of less than 1%. GM sells more cars in the U.S. in less than half a typical workweek.

The auto maker will continue to tap India's relatively-low cost base to assemble cars for export. It operates an assembly plant in Maharashtra, where production volumes tripled to about 53,000 vehicles in 2016. It will continue to operate a design and engineering center in Bangalore.

India's auto market is growing, with sales through April hitting 1.4 million vehicles, or a 9% increase over the same period in 2016, according to WardsAuto.com. Auto companies have been pouring investment into the country, with $16 billion spent on plants and infrastructure over the past decade and a half, according to the Indian government.

The market leader, Maruti Suzuki, owned by Japan's Suzuki Motor, holds a dominant 40% market share. Several auto makers have gained steam recently by launching small crossover SUVs that are agile enough for congested cities but seen as durable enough to handle battered roads.

GM will end its sales and manufacturing operation in South Africa later this year. GM said it has a weak position in that market, selling around 20,000 vehicles there last year.

Isuzu, GM's joint-venture partner in South Africa, will take over a commercial-vehicle factory and GM's stake in the JV. Terms weren't disclosed.


If anyone is desperate and/or bold enough, they can pick up existing inventory Chevy cars, possibly at very attractive price points. Dunno about warranty & other things but Chevy has promised to support existing GM vehicle owners with spare parts & services. Usually in auto industry, OEM will continue to support up to 10 years from the year of discontinuation, on manufacturing of spare parts & such.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Zynda » 18 May 2017 20:35

Now some positive news :)

Volvo to start assembling cars in India by year-end

Mumbai: Swedish luxury car company Volvo Auto India Pvt. Ltd on Thursday said it will commence local assembly operations in India by the end of this year as it seeks to make deeper inroads and double its share in the country’s small but fast expanding luxury car market that is expected to advance at a fast clip on the back of strong economic growth, better sentiments and the impending goods and services tax (GST).

Volvo has been selling cars in India since 2010 but, unlike German rivals, Mercedes Benz AG, BMW AG and Audi AG, it has been importing them instead of assembling them locally.

“We had two years of solid growth that were driven by the new models and, therefore, we thought it was time to commence local operations,” said Tom von Bonsdorf in an interview, pointing that the company envisages to double its share in the luxury segment to 10% by 2020.

Albeit on a low base compared to its German rivals, Volvo cars sales in India advanced to 1,600 units in 2016 compared to 1,423 units in the previous year. It expects sales to advance 25% to 2,000 units this year over the year-ago period. It has seen sales jump to 35% in the first four months of the current calendar year.

Volvo’s car assembly operations will be located near Bengaluru and focus on models based on Volvo’s SPA’s modular vehicle architecture. The XC 90, a premium SUV model, will be the first model to be assembled locally. The company has modified its existing truck plant to accommodate the assembly unit. The XC 90 would be followed by other models at a later stage, said Bonsdorf .

Volvo Cars is working together with Volvo Group India, the truck, bus, construction equipment and Penta engines manufacturer, and will make use of Volvo Group India’s existing infrastructure and production licences near Bengaluru. Bonsdorf declined to comment on the investment or the capacity of the upcoming unit.

“Starting vehicle assembly in India is an important step for Volvo Cars as we aim to grow our sales in this fast-growing market and double our market share in the luxury segment in coming years,” said Håkan Samuelsson, president and chief executive officer of Volvo Cars, in a statement.

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Postby Marten » 18 May 2017 20:39

Iirc, GM in India is half owned by a Chinese firm (SAIC?). The really dumb product strategy like pushing the dabba SUV or a pos Sail instead of getting better products showed how much they cared for the market. Good riddance. http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 231_1.html

Volvo likewise was taken over by a Chinese firm, right?

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Suraj » 19 May 2017 04:41

No mention of this anywhere here:

In 2016, India finally entered the top 5 in global automobile (4-wheeler and higher) production, overtaking South Korea. 2016 production was 4.5 million vehicles. Ahead of us are China, US, Japan and Germany. Rounding out the top 10 behind us is SoKo, Mexico, Spain, Canada and Brazil.

We're also overtaken China in 2016 to become world #1 in two wheeler production, with 17.7 million vs 16.8 million for them.

Based on current rate of growth, we'll probably overtake Germany for #4 spot in automobile production by 2020-21.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby pandyan » 19 May 2017 06:11

Marten wrote:Volvo likewise was taken over by a Chinese firm, right?

Only car business though.

Truck business is still brisk and owned by swedes. I am seeing a lot of volvo trucks on the road these days in US.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Vikas » 19 May 2017 11:38

Some of the cars GM made were pretty solid like Beat and Cruze but had no strategy for INdian markets.
Could not launch a new car or upgrade Cruze despite it being top selling car in its category few years back.

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Postby Singha » 19 May 2017 13:43

at one time cruze and corolla were close, with civic a distant third. at some point civic sales stopped in india but service is provided. there are still all those civics on the road in blr (incl mine) and doing fine, but the cruze somehow seems to have disappeared. even i see more old corollas than the cruze.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Vamsee » 19 May 2017 21:58

Suraj wrote:No mention of this anywhere here:

In 2016, India finally entered the top 5 in global automobile (4-wheeler and higher) production, overtaking South Korea. 2016 production was 4.5 million vehicles. Ahead of us are China, US, Japan and Germany. Rounding out the top 10 behind us is SoKo, Mexico, Spain, Canada and Brazil.

We're also overtaken China in 2016 to become world #1 in two wheeler production, with 17.7 million vs 16.8 million for them.

Based on current rate of growth, we'll probably overtake Germany for #4 spot in automobile production by 2020-21.


Suraj garu,
Do you have any link to this news? It needs to be shared on twitter :-)

Edited later: Google gives me the following link ==> 2016 PRODUCTION STATISTICS

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Suraj » 19 May 2017 23:01

Sure
List of countries by motor vehicle production
SIAM also has Indian production data: SIAM production trends
India overtakes China to become No 1 in two-wheelers market
According to a report by Society of Indian Automobile Manufactures (SIAM), India has emerged as the biggest two-wheeler market in the world overtaking China to take the No 1 spot. According to the reports, India sold close to 17.7 million units in 2016 compared to the 16.8 million units sold by China for the financial year 2016-17.

In India, Honda unseated Bajaj Auto to become second largest bikes-maker for the time in April, and has also moved within striking distance to overtake Hero as the country's largest two-wheeler company.

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Postby guru.shetty » 23 May 2017 03:49

^

IMO, India should let high end electric cars (say, atleast 400km of range) and lithium ion battery packs to enter the Indian market with 0% tax and sourcing requirements for a few years. Cut off the rule relaxation once some traction is achieved.

The only progress on the electric car front these days is the May 26 unveiling of Ola's 200 electric car fleet in Nagpur. They apparently will have 4 charging/battery swap stations in the city. The cars will likely be Mahindra e20 plus. The idea in itself is solid as taxi operators will get the most savings by using electric cars. It would have been even more solid if Mahindra could have been able to import lithium ion battery packs without any tax. That would have likely allowed Mahindra to build a car with a larger battery pack. That would have made the program a sure shot pan-India success story.

Reading multiple sources gives an idea that the GOI wants to replicate the UJALA LED model success with battery packs. But, IMO, it is moving too slowly.

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Postby Singha » 23 May 2017 11:20

I believe its been clarified in ET today that for those classified as 'cutting edge tech' the 30% local sourcing does not apply.

we really need the mass market vehicles of hyundai, maruti, tata and mahindra to come with large battery packs to make a dent on things. for ppl living in apts there is the additional hassle of getting a metered connection for the car park as I dont think employers will be so generous as SV here to give rows and rows of free charge points for the EV hordes to use. my co has a few parking spaces with free power and I see mahindra eco users parked there but sometimes other cars park there.

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Postby guru.shetty » 24 May 2017 02:40

Singha wrote:I believe its been clarified in ET today that for those classified as 'cutting edge tech' the 30% local sourcing does not apply.


That is probably the case. Elon wants to manufacture his cars in the US and sell it in Tesla retail stores in India (similar to Apple's retail stores selling iphone).

IMO, the response to Elon Musk's tweet by GOI's @makeinindia twitter account was bizarre. They go on a complete tangent about local manufacturing and seem to have confirmed his suspicion.

The tweet in question:
https://twitter.com/makeinindia/status/ ... 3254603776

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Postby rahulm » 17 Jul 2017 11:58

Tata Motors MD Butschek writes letter to employees about crisis, says ‘it’s time to deliver’

The financial year 2017 was not a good year for Mumbai-based Tata Motors as it closed with a total loss of Rs 2,480 crore. FY2018 too has not had a great start with a low truck sales performance. Even in terms of vehicle volumes, Tata Motor's CV volumes only increased by 0.8%, whereas the industry standard growth was at 4%.


TATA operated in a duopoly for decades. If has had its CV market share eaten away by new entrants like Mahindra (upstart), Eicher, AMW, Bharat Benz, VOLVO (premium buses) with contemporary products. TATA thought there was a very limited market in India for posh buses with superb suspensions (like IBM's market prediction for PC's) and persisted with rigid chassis with semi elliptical leaf springs, VOLVO came in and filled a niche with pent up demand that TATA dismissed.

About 25 years ago, the company had a different DNA and TATA's first LCV, the 407 smashed the Jap entrants.

TATA had a market to give away and my word, did they give it away! To be fair, the NANO was a path breaking product but too few want to drive that path.

The PRIMA was created to criss cross the nation on the golden quadrilateral which came to an abrupt halt whe the UPA came to govern.

TATA have been fiddling and fooling around with EV buses for yonks with no viable product yet. I predict Hyundai or some such will fill that space even as TATA gets its EV wires crossed.

The company needs to innovate, cut costs, improve quality and service.

Mahindra have been a standout. From zero presence and expertise in CV's they are giving the established players a good run for their money.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Javee » 19 Jul 2017 12:48

Suraj wrote:According to a report by Society of Indian Automobile Manufactures (SIAM), India has emerged as the biggest two-wheeler market in the world overtaking China to take the No 1 spot. According to the reports, India sold close to 17.7 million units in 2016 compared to the 16.8 million units sold by China for the financial year 2016-17.

In India, Honda unseated Bajaj Auto to become second largest bikes-maker for the time in April, and has also moved within striking distance to overtake Hero as the country's largest two-wheeler company.

This is impressive, considering Honda as a separate entity was a late entrant.

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Postby Pathik » 20 Jul 2017 07:05

Javee wrote:
Suraj wrote:According to a report by Society of Indian Automobile Manufactures (SIAM), India has emerged as the biggest two-wheeler market in the world overtaking China to take the No 1 spot. According to the reports, India sold close to 17.7 million units in 2016 compared to the 16.8 million units sold by China for the financial year 2016-17.

In India, Honda unseated Bajaj Auto to become second largest bikes-maker for the time in April, and has also moved within striking distance to overtake Hero as the country's largest two-wheeler company.

This is impressive, considering Honda as a separate entity was a late entrant.


Their reputation is cemented with some solid products like activa and also brand value from four wheelers. Activa is still the best two wheeler in india and may remain so for a long time given its durability and engine quality. I still have my Dad's first activa model from 2002 its done close to 2 lakh kms now. We had reset the odometer many years ago after 100,000 km and it still clocked close to that now. has been used by all members of the family, cousins and friends till date and has ridden over 400 kms journeys in the western ghats. The mement of reckoning came on the evening of 26 july when mumbai was submerged in the water like atlantis. Even though i had to leave my activa on the highway after seeing water levels rise suddenly I left it at a slight elevation near a fly over. The floods were such that in no time only the mirrors on the handle bars were visible and the whole bike was under the water. It remained so for 12 hours until the waters receded the next day. I took it to a local mechanic who had to open the engine to drain the water, sediments, bits of wood, leaves etc out. After the minor servicing the bike was still up and running like before. I was just amazed at the japanese QC of how the bike and engine still managed to run trouble free. Its been more than 11 years now after that incident and the bike still buttons starts on winter mornings without much fuss. Hats off to Honda activa

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Postby Singha » 20 Jul 2017 09:52

i have been a content civic driver for 7 yrs now with no problems. one annual servicing.

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Postby Marten » 20 Jul 2017 11:16

Singha wrote:i have been a content civic driver for 7 yrs now with no problems. one annual servicing.

Tsk tsk... Jarnails driving such old cars, instead of swanky new build shakinaw models like the Crysta.
Sell the Civic to a jawan. :D

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Postby asgkhan » 20 Jul 2017 11:28

GD-uncle has access to Ecosport top-end version.

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Postby Sachin » 20 Jul 2017 12:56

Pathik wrote:Hats off to Honda activa

+1. Honda Activa was the first two wheeler which I purchased using my own savings :). This was some where in 2004. The vehicle is still with me, used mainly for local rides. Caused no major trouble all this while, and I generally give it one good servicing every year. Cost of maintenance is very minimal.

How did I hear of Honda Activa first? That is another story. Two years prior to that, we as a bachelor gang holed up in Bangalore gets a call from two of our friends in our home town (approx 400kms away). They were drunk, and said that they are starting for Bangalore at around 2200Hrs. And they were planning to come in a brand new Honda Activa !!! :shock: . We all thought that they would have returned back when they became sober, but no. At around 1100Hrs the next day, we get a call that they have just crossed Salem and proceeding towards the city. By around 1700Hrs they reached our place. Blood shot eyes, no helmets and with the pair of dresses they had at that time. The Honda Activa was a brand new one, which was to get its first service after 500kms or so. They had crossed that limit in this single trip. The end of the story was; both were not very keen to ride back. So we all packed them off (and the Honda Activa) in an inter-state Volvo bus, which was also an recently started luxury mode of travel.

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Jul 2017 13:07

Guys remember Kinetic Honda? My dad had one, before Activa came, that was the thing. IMO all Japanese vehicles had a good success in India, and who can forget Yamaha Rx-100.

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Postby Kashi » 20 Jul 2017 13:11

Interestingly, while we in India are quite happy will all manners of Japanese automobiles available to us, Bakis cry and cry all the time about the "high-priced junk" that Japanese sell in that country.

Why this Kolaveri??

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Postby Yagnasri » 20 Jul 2017 13:22

Bakis cry for each and every thing for which they have to pay. They want Khan or lizard to pay for their lazy a&&es.

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Postby arvin » 20 Jul 2017 15:07

Sachin , how much was the activa priced around that time? Just curious to know. I think now it is 70k??

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Postby Yagnasri » 20 Jul 2017 15:12

60 plus

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Postby rahulm » 20 Jul 2017 15:15

Isn't the Activa's seat a bum sore or is it just me ?

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Postby Pathik » 20 Jul 2017 17:16

no infact its quite wide and comfortable compared to most two wheelers

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Postby negi » 20 Jul 2017 18:34

Japanese are selling junk in India too , Honda's new city has such a thin sheet metal it will make Maruthi feel proud even their design language is crappy. Last good car Honda launched in India was Civic thing is Honda is getting greedy and going for margins. Older Citys were better . Toyota has a wierd policy their Innova is well built but out of mid segment they have nothing good to offer below the Corolla . My 1999 Camry was the most beautiful Toyota imho ; new Camry and Corollas are hideous with those weird shaped lights and chrome overdose. I think post 2010 all Japanese car makers have hired some crappy designers across the board be it Lexus, Acura , Honda or Toyota I personally hate their designs for too many curved lines and chrome garnish. Germans in comparison are still yet to reach similar lows however with new BMWs they are not too far .

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Jul 2017 18:42

Heard from car dealer that Volvos have best build quality, he said they are built like tank. He said all cars now are going down hill with regards to their build quality. The gold standard apparently he said was late 90s Lexus.

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Postby TKiran » 20 Jul 2017 20:08

Volvo is Chinese company. It must be crap. Don't praise Chinese crap.

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Jul 2017 20:12

It's Swedish company saar.

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Postby TKiran » 20 Jul 2017 20:51

Jaguar land rover is Tata (India) company, Volvo is Chinese company

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Postby Marten » 20 Jul 2017 21:09

Karthik S wrote:It's Swedish company saar.

Passenger car business was bought over by a Chinese consortium..

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Singha » 20 Jul 2017 21:36

Kashi wrote:Interestingly, while we in India are quite happy will all manners of Japanese automobiles available to us, Bakis cry and cry all the time about the "high-priced junk" that Japanese sell in that country.

Why this Kolaveri??


pak does not levy import taxes on CBD/SKD, so corollas are 10L there vs 16 here, 16 will get you a new camry in lahore.

in india some people under the table buy cars off the tourist taxi operators who are allowed to import duty free. a while ago some mumbai filmi crowd were caught doing it.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby vina » 25 Jul 2017 13:48

This Gadkari guy seems to be a classic Luddite. Saw a report in today's Al-Hundi where he pompously declared that "We wont allow driverless cars in India as it will lead to job losses" . He claimed that 55 Lakhs (i.e. 5.5 million ) drivers will be needed in India. Think of it. An entire population equivalent to Ireland stuck in a dead end, low productivity job with very limited earning potential and that condemns close to roughly 22 million people (1driver, 3 dependents) to a dead end, poverty ridden existence.

This guy should be in the Congress , along with his perpetuating poverty politics. What will it take for people in India to realise that Productivity == Wealth and Health. Anti Productivity == Condemned to poverty , disease and squalor

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby arvin » 25 Jul 2017 14:26

Vina sir, he said driverless tech in its present form won't be allowed. But in the future it might not be possible to avoid it.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby nash » 25 Jul 2017 14:30

Currently in our country, if we consider the condition of roads and traffic there is no way driver-less car will fit into it.
IMO 5.5 million number consist of cab drivers and delivery guys from small truck to 2 wheeler.


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