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Postby SaiK » 31 Dec 2015 18:39

which is the best low maintenance scooter in the market now? Is it activa still? I am trying to buy one for family use, that will get abused(assuming they will not care like an owner would do) by many hands.

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Postby Prem » 11 Jan 2016 06:43

http://www.ibtimes.com/india-embraces-c ... ks-2258134
India Embraces Clutch-Free Automated Manual Transmissions (AMT) Automobiles,

NEW DELHI — When 39-year-old Raj and his partner were shopping for a second car last year, it wasn’t a hybrid or an ultra-clean vehicle running diesel that caught their eye. It was a decades-old innovation that never really took off anywhere else in the world: the automated manual transmission, or AMT.“My partner had just learned to drive, and she still faced the problem of stalling .A cheaper and less sophisticated alternative to the hydraulic system used in developed markets, AMTs are taking the Indian market by storm, says Ashwin Kumar, South Asia and Middle East head of Frost & Sullivan’s automotive and transportation practice.Automatic transmission, which includes a host of technologies, should account for about 15-20 percent of the Indian market by 2020,” Kumar said. That’s a compound annual growth rate of more than 60 percent, most of which will come from AMT, he addedUnlike hydraulics, the AMT system uses a friction clutch. There’s no clutch pedal, and in “drive” mode a computer does the clutch work. Critics say that makes the driving experience a little jerkier, but with Italy’s Magneti Marelli manufactured kits, which are easily added to factory assembly lines, the old technology allows first-mover Maruti Suzuki to bring the add-on cost of shift-free driving down to as little as $500 on models like its $6,400 Alto K10 AMT and $6,900 Celerio

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Postby Singha » 11 Jan 2016 09:36

the toyota fortuner continues to rule the roost as the preferred mode of travel of the wealthy and goonda raj gangs.
its wheels and high engine bay project a threatening air the way dodge durango and dodge ram did.

imo a beefed up honda cr-v and uparmoured creta with bigger wheels etc appear to be the only things that can put up fight.

honda should assemble and localize the cr-v in india, drive its cost down to 15L on road and most buyers of sedans in that range will shift to soft SUVs. it appears to be better bet for future sales than the accord (oversized) and the civic (low ground clearance - a boo boo for indian conditions). if price is broadly similar, honda provides better interiors and finishes than hyundai so they can target creta and people upsizing from ecosport

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Postby SaiK » 12 Jan 2016 03:40

Subaru outback is classic car for desh. all the bells and whistles for the right crowd. Now, it might appear a bit lengthy for indic roads, but then if honda crv is fit, so would subbie too.

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Postby negi » 18 Jan 2016 07:33

^ Honda CRV is a dud here no one buys petrol guzzling low slung UV here , I can count the number of CRVs in Blore on finger tips . Fortuner is the king of 25-30 lakh SUV segment . Mitsubishi Pajero is another nice vehicle but then Mitsubishi has a very thin dealership.

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Postby negi » 18 Jan 2016 07:35

Honda has already made it's mark with diesel engines so they might introduce compact SUVs with diesel powerplant that will give likes of Creta some run for money.

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Postby Singha » 18 Jan 2016 07:56

yeah these japanis take their time, but plan meticulously and deliver good technology in the end.

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Postby BRao » 20 Jan 2016 10:35

Creta is like a overgrown kid in front of Fortuner. No comparison. Only XUV 500 can give the Fortuner a fight as far as size, muscle and power projection goes.

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Postby SaiK » 27 Jan 2016 19:59

Is anyone interested in buying INS Vikrant?

partly? I am sure.. it is coming
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 617_1.html

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Postby KarthikSan » 28 Jan 2016 22:12

BRao wrote:Creta is like a overgrown kid in front of Fortuner. No comparison. Only XUV 500 can give the Fortuner a fight as far as size, muscle and power projection goes.


Two different classes of cars. XUV is a crossover and more of a highway, city car and comparable to Innova. Fortuner is a proper truck with a ladder frame chassis. There are only two vehicles that can put up a fight - Mahindra Scorpio and Tata Safari. Both of them are lacking in the looks department and overall fit, finish and quality. Minimum needed is a complete revamp of looks. The wild card is Force Motors. If they can make a proper 4+1 door 7 seater out of the Trax Gurkha and improve about a million percent on quality and keep the price on par with MM and Tata, Fortuner would be confined to the dustbins.

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Postby sohamn » 29 Jan 2016 00:30



Bajaj certainly knows how to strike a chord. Only issue is that it is a commuter bike, I would have rather made a high performance cruiser with Vikrant steel.



http://www.bajajauto.com/V/

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Postby SaiK » 29 Jan 2016 08:42

I agree.. too much marketing and trying trigger the V word. They should have V variant on all their bikes say rs. 500 to 1K more premium. I would like a pulsca cs400 release with V., with mil paint scheme.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Gus » 30 Jan 2016 05:10

Birathers - what be a good used vehicle to buy for budget of 6 to 7 lac and is spacious for 5 people, mid size suitable for both city and highway trips to native, petrol is fine as I don't see lots of mileage to justify diesel, but not atrocious kmpl. Looks like there is a paucity in this category and might have to make do with fits from other segments.

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Postby Yogi_G » 30 Jan 2016 06:11

Gus wrote:Birathers - what be a good used vehicle to buy for budget of 6 to 7 lac and is spacious for 5 people, mid size suitable for both city and highway trips to native, petrol is fine as I don't see lots of mileage to justify diesel, but not atrocious kmpl. Looks like there is a paucity in this category and might have to make do with fits from other segments.


tuv300 or kuv300?

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby KarthikSan » 30 Jan 2016 11:10

Gus wrote:Birathers - what be a good used vehicle to buy for budget of 6 to 7 lac and is spacious for 5 people, mid size suitable for both city and highway trips to native, petrol is fine as I don't see lots of mileage to justify diesel, but not atrocious kmpl. Looks like there is a paucity in this category and might have to make do with fits from other segments.


Maruti Ertiga. Good highway manners, comfort, driveability within city, reliable, easy to maintain, good after sales service network and the petrol ZXi should have a decent set of safety equipments and come right within your budget for a low mileage used car. If you stretch the budget a little you can get the diesel ZDi which is good or slightly better in terms of torque and fuel consumption.

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Postby Yogi_G » 30 Jan 2016 21:13

get the petrol. the diesel has horrible turbo lag it seems.

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Vipul » 18 Feb 2016 03:54

Honda starts world's largest scooter plant in Gujarat.

Gujarat is now home to the world's largest scooter manufacturing site, as Japanese two-wheeler giant Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India (HMSI) started its fourth plant in India at Vithalapur, a scooters’-only facility, just 15 km from Suzuki Motor Corporation's upcoming facility in Gujarat.

Spread over 250 acres, the facility has come up in just 13 months with an investment of nearly Rs 1,100 crore. Initially, the plant would produce around 600,000 scooters per annum which would be scaled up to 1.2 million scooters per annum by mid 2016.

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Postby SaiK » 04 May 2016 21:21

^when are they going to roll out their PCX 150? I am waiting. I am also waiting for the bajaj cs400 roll out

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Postby SaiK » 17 May 2016 17:09

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto ... 306571.cms

so much for popularity and import loving technologies.


Basically, we have to import safety standards, regulations and standards infrastructure.

autos for the roads we have is bad idea.
roads for the auto requirement is the way to move forward.

like american standards matured, Indian standards must advance driving everything from std living to industrialized nation that seeks better services and structures for the future.

bottom: just don't seek for autos that doesn't pass test.

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Postby Zynda » 18 May 2016 18:00

India to get its own car safety ratings from 2017

NEW DELHI: A beep at the speed of 80 kmph and loud alert after 100 kmph will be the latest features in cars to check speeding. :D

These features will be required for new cars to get higher ratings on safety parameters under the Bharat New Car Assessment Programme (NCAP) starting next year.

NCAP covers assessment of broader safety aspects of frontal, side and rear impacts besides pedestrian and child safety.

It also encourages manufacturers to adopt other safety technologies.

"Since we face different traffic situations in India, our norms for star ratings will be a little different. While they will have to comply with the mandatory norms of crash test, getting safety ratings will be voluntary for manufacturers," said a road transport ministry official.

Unlike other NCAPs where new cars are rated on a scale of zero to five, Bharat NCAP will have ratings ranging between 0.5 star and 4.5 stars for cars that pass the frontal tests at 56 kmph speed. "Cars that pass frontal crash tests at 64 kmph will get five star rating," the official said.

While the frontal crash tests will be at 56 kmph, the norm set for side crash tests is 50 kmph. Though the government is not mandating the use of air bags in cars, vehicle manufacturers would have to fit this safety feature and child restraints in order to pass the crash tests. Hence, all new cars would get such features.

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Postby ldev » 19 May 2016 04:11

^^
Talking about safety, what about crash safety?? All of the cars tested below got zero stars out of 5 for passenger safety in a front offset collision at 64 kmph. None of them has an airbag either. At highway speeds of 100 kmph they will become mincemeat.

Renault Kwid


Maruti Suzuki Celerio


Mahindra Scorpio


Maruti Suzuki Eeco


Hyundai Eon

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Postby Zynda » 19 May 2016 08:59

None of the above cars, except Scorpio, are meant to be driven above 80Kph. Even @ 80 Kph, the driver is taking a huge risk...Scorpio is a surprise cause they advertise it as a butch car suited for most rugged environment yet is not built clever enough to withstand 40mph collisions!

Cars below 5L segment is targeting consumers who are cost conscious which means that VFM (comfort features like music system, FOB entry, more chrome), "kityna deti hai?" is more important than safety. Some progress have been made in the sense that auto majors are at least offering an Airbag & sometimes ABS as options in the lower end vehicles. But per reports, the sales folks tend to discourage buyers from going for trims with the above safety features.

BTW, in the safety standards are supposed to kick in by Oct 2017. And it will include safety ratings for structure at 56Kph for frontal & 50 Kph for side collisions. Mileage for sure will take a hit as many cars will need structural beefing up...and cars will become more expensive.

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Postby Singha » 19 May 2016 12:36

if it saves a few 1000 lives annually, its all worth it.

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Postby srin » 19 May 2016 18:56

The counter-point that low cost cars are an alternative to more risky two-wheelers is also valid.

I'm veering to the viewpoint that there needs to be two classes of automobiles - one for within cities (less than 1000cc with without many safety features but speed limited to say 60kmph), and one for highways (mandatory safety features, tubeless tyres and bigger engines).

Another thought - and I think this was seeded by a Swarajya mag article - is to reduce the dangers of two wheelers by having two wheels at the back ( a compact three wheeler). Bike afficionados are going to hate it though.

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Postby Singha » 19 May 2016 19:40

2 wheels in back will take away the main advantage of bikes which is weaving and squeezing through any tiny gap.

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Postby Gus » 19 May 2016 21:15

safe highway speed in most TN highways is 80 to 90 with occasional bursts to overtake slow moving vehicle. anything above, risk creeps up and when u rack in the miles, something is bound to happen.

(increased speed = increased risk) * no. of miles = accident will happen at some point.

u also have to keep this equation in balance

ur skill level * ur car capabilities * road conditions * traffic density * weather < your risky behavior.

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Postby Singha » 20 May 2016 07:51

* day or night , night => back off on speed

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Postby wig » 03 Jun 2016 14:05

Japan officials raid Suzuki headquarters
Japanese authorities have raided the headquarters of Suzuki, as part of an ongoing probe into the carmaker's use of improper fuel economy tests.
Officials were looking for documents which would support the company's previous claims that it had not meant to deceive car buyers.
Last month Suzuki said it found "discrepancies" in its fuel emissions testing, but denied it was cheating.
Suzuki added the issue did not apply to products sold outside of Japan.
The company issued a statement earlier this week, and clarified that it failed to use testing methods that would comply with Japanese regulations due a lack of manpower, and also a failure on its part to invest in the necessary infrastructure.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36441906

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Postby Zynda » 05 Jun 2016 19:53

Karnataka transport department is proposing to levy additional road tax (up to 50% more) on your second vehicle.

Buying second vehicle ? Pay additional tax

Transport department proposes to increase road tax to decongest city

If you already have a vehicle at home registered in your name and planning to buy a second one, then think twice. The state transport department has decided to increase the road tax for the second vehicle. It will apply to four wheelers, two wheelers and used vehicles too.

The department proposes amendments to the Karnataka Motor Vehicles Act and send it to the state government.


Question is, does RTO goes by checking vehicle registrations against name or by address? 'Cause if it is the former, then one can have multiple vehicles in different names (spouse, adult children etc) and still be parked under the same roof!

Hopefully the extra funds collected from the above scheme will be used to improve the infra (lay good quality asphalt on roads...not cheap ones which wash away during monsoons, complete Metro ASAP) and not diverted to central Congress coffers.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby nandakumar » 17 Jun 2016 16:23

vina wrote:Brilliant . Tamil Nadu led by Amma, is now looking to trade support for GST in getting help in getting the Nokia plant in Sriperumbudur reopened under fox conn to make cell phones and putting pressure on the central govt to settle /ease the tax cases against Nokia so that the asset can be put to better use.

This reminds me of the time when Standard Motors in Chennai went belly up and Jayalalitha went and got Ford and Hyundai to set up their factory in Madras and the rest as far as auto plants go for TN is history. The Nokia plant getting started again sounds like Chennai is going to be in electronics hardware manufacturing what it has become in Auto, thanks again to Amma.

While TN goes about ruthlessly safeguarding it's interests and the larger interest by cutting deals with a perfect sense of timing, KA and KL are in their usual comatose state and with the newly aggressive Andhra under Chandra Babu, I fear what will happen to KA. TN will fight tooth and nail to compete with Andhra and leave no stone unturned, while KA will simply roll over and die. :evil:

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Standard Motors failed as far back as in 1979, as a car company. They started out with a four-door Standard (Pennant or Standard 10, it was called, I think) in the early 60s. Then in mid-60s they plumped for a sporty, quite stylish looking car called Herald. It was I think an import from Triumph Motors of UK. Unfortunately it was a two-door sedan. Those days, the Indian car market consisted of taxis and personal vehicles of the rich upper class. Both of them involved the employment of drivers. A two-door sedan was a bit of a nuisance given the cultural sensibilities of the market then. The predicament of the spouse of a Marwari businessman of Calcutta having to get into the back seat as the driver held the passenger seat door and the front passenger seat back-rest folded as she squeezed herself at the back exposing in the process, a rich and close-up view to the driver, of a vast expansive posterior wrapped around in a tight saree, can easily be imagined. So while Premier and Ambassadors had volumes of 20-25,000 vehicles annually Standard Motors had to rest content with a volume in the range of 10,000 or so. They decided to crack the riddle by designing a four-door car all by themselves. They started work on it in the late 60s and came up with a four-door sedan called Standard Gazelle. They launched it in 1971. It wasn't the prettiest car. It sort of sloped up in the rear revealing just the hint of the underside of the boot prompting a viewer into thinking that it was a gazelle in heat! That said, it was truly indigenous designed car. It had all the features of what became standard features of a modern car: light sheet metal body, great fuel efficiency and so on. Moreover there were only two companies in the country which could produce an automotive vehicle from the drawing board to the shop floor with all the production devices (dies, jigs, patterns, fixtures the whole works) that it involved. Standard Motors was one and the other was TELCO. The latter augmented its capability by massively poaching on the talent at the former. The problem for Standard Motors was that they came up with the product at the most horrible time possible. Two years into the launch of the car, the oil crisis of 1973 hit the Indian economy and the automobile sector quite badly. Just as the company was gamely plodding on the second oil crisis of 1979 devastated the underlying demand for cars. The company didn't help its cause by poor industrial relations. On more than one occasion the factory was shut down for months on together during this period. The game was well and truly up after Sanjay Gandhi died in 1980 and Indira Gandhi signed up with Suzuki and virtually gave the Indian car market away to Suzuki through a series of fiscal and industrial policy changes (preferential customs tariff in component import on the ground of fuel efficiency is but one of the most egregious examples of bending the rules). The company was plodding on with an indigenously designed and built LCV (Standard 20) which enjoyed reasonable volumes. But then those were the days when LCV market hadn't really taken off as it had in the late 90s. The company could have still survived to fight another day had its CEO not committed a tactical blunder which turned out to be a strategic mistake of monumental proportions for the company's future. In the mid 80s the company was trying to sustain its presence in the automobile sector by tying up with Rover UK to produce Rover 2000 luxury sedans in India (Standard 2000). In 1987, the CEO nominated Arun Nehru for a Rotary Internatioinal award called the "For the sake of Honour" award by putting up the donation to Rotary (equivalent of $10,000). He thought this was one way to inveigle oneself into the policy making apparatus at the Centre from which, South Indians were largely shut out in those days. To his ill-luck, relations between Arun Nehru and Rajiv Gandhi completely unravelled within a few months in 1988 in the wake of Bofors revelations. This was the cue for industry rivals to set the Enforcement Directorate on the heels of the company for violation of fuel efficiency norms whole availing customs duty concessions. To be fair, the Standard 2000 had abysmal fuel efficiency (four kilometres to a litre or something like that). The stoppage of production and penalty and fines that the ED imposed completely crippled the company. After which somewhere around 1992/93 AC Muthiah came on the scene as a white knight to bail out the company. But he was only interested in the real estate of the company which consisted of a fairly sprawling factory land just 10 kilometres off the Chennai airport. The first thing that happend was that the company's LCV production was also stopped ostensibly due to lack of working capital fiance.
Now coming back to Ford and Hyundai, this is what happened. Post 1991 policy of liberalisation there was general enthusiasm among foreign investors and automobile companies in particular for investment in the Indian economy. Ford had come in in joint venture with Mahindras. Their initial offering was a 1600 cc car (Ford Escort) that was contract manufactured at the Mahindra's plant in Nasik. Going solo with its own manufacturing facility was always part of Ford's strategic plan for the Indian market. Mahindras also understood that. So Ford was scouting around for a place to set up a manufacturing facility. Tamil Nadu and Maharashtra were the two States in the running. But Ford was driving a hard bargain in the form of tax incentives and other investment concessions. By late 1995, the general public sentiment had turned against Jayalalitha thanks to the lavish celebration of the 'foster' son's wedding. So Jayalalitha was desperate for a marquee investment project in Tamil Nadu. While other states had only some token sales tax waiver/deferred payment concession, the TN Government offered a 15 year tax holiday on salestax- a national first. Maharashtra hesitated given its problems with Enron power project, by then. The decision went in favour of TN. Of course, even other wise Chennai was a good location. It was coast based while maharashtra could only offer Aurangabad well into the interior. Additionally, Chennai could boast of a credible eco system of auto ancillary manufacturing being already in place. As the Americans would say, it was a no-brainer. For Hyundai it made even more sense to locate it in Chennai on the east coast (proximity to the Korean peninsula) rather than any location on the West coast and that too in the hinterland. Hyundai's plans also included making India a hub for export to some of the East European countries. So a coastal location was a must. So there it is, the saga of emergence of TN as a no mean powerhouse of automobile manufacture in the country.

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Postby Singha » 17 Jun 2016 17:35

have to say tata and M&M continue to underwhelm in the quality of their body panels, gaps, plastic quality and moulding. tata was making indica 20 yrs ago. in 20 years hyundai went from zero to hero, and yet today the tata still does not look as streamlined and refined needed to win the middle class market. suzuki is well ahead in all depts. they are letting a large home market go to waste through inability to scale the next level DESPITE having a long history of product development, a full scale tail end of r&d ability down to fundamental research center and even steel plants who can make all the parts they need both here and in corus.

the renault lodgy imo makes a fine airport taxi, despite its undistinguished looks.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby vina » 17 Jun 2016 18:09

have to say tata and M&M continue to underwhelm in the quality of their body panels, gaps, plastic quality and moulding

Tata with their newest upgrade (Zest & Bolt) narrowed that gap (leaving out Hyundai and VW who are top class in the interiors trim) with the others (Maruti) and with Tiago, I think have closed the gap.

I would assume the same story with M&M. Trouble is, as these are still local players and are not globalised, they suffer from lack of scale their global counterparts bring to the table. This trim business is purely scale , especially when a significant portion gets exported like Hyundai and VW.

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Postby Gus » 18 Jun 2016 06:48

Tata and MM don't give priority to interior quality, comfort features, fits and finish etc. their USP is a 'good enough car for lower price compared to upmarket cars'. And what you get is exactly that.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby schinnas » 18 Jun 2016 08:08

Tata has paid real attention to interior quality, fit and finish in their newer models. Tata Tiago, their new car that competes with i10, celerio, etc., is both the value for money product and the product with best interior quality in that segment. It even has features and components that cars in a segment above dont have such as 8 speaker Harmon Kardon music system.

After evaluating Maruti Celerio and Hyundai i10 my relatives have bought Tiago to be their city car. Real value for money product. Now Tata has to fight their image problem, which is a result of past mistakes.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby Prasad » 18 Jun 2016 10:54

Forget comfort and quality, how do they fare at safety? The new auto policy mandates airbags and crash structures to bring our cars to international standards which will push up car prices and possibly lower sales. Can expect them to scrimp further.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby Virupaksha » 18 Jun 2016 11:31

Prasad wrote:Forget comfort and quality, how do they fare at safety? The new auto policy mandates airbags and crash structures to bring our cars to international standards which will push up car prices and possibly lower sales. Can expect them to scrimp further.

They are as good or as bad as others like Maruti suzuki/hyundai/Renault. Infact by my estimation tatas are a little but not by much better than

INfact among them Tata was the first to bring in safety component via Nano, where they started performing tests. THe largest selling vehicle from Maruti Alto is a death trap.....


http://auto.ndtv.com/news/5-indian-cars ... st-1407129

and these are their latest cars from their stable

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby schinnas » 18 Jun 2016 11:58

Tata Tiago is made with exports to Latin America in mind. Thats why their brand ambassador is Messi and not some cricket god. They have all safety features such as air bags, ABS, Traction and stability control, automatic engine lock.

We need to get out of our mindset that anything desi or Made in India by Indians will be low in quality by default. It was true that Tata and M&M were not paying attention to some of these aspects years ago, but just like how Japanese auto makers have went up the value chain, Tata is doing the same now. The difference in design, quality, fit & finish, features between Tata Tiago vs their older models such as Vista is night and day. M&M is also trying to up their game. Probably Tata Motors benefited from their acquisition of Jaguar & Land Rover in learning some of the best practices and they have been getting international management talent to run Tata Motors for a few years now.

I would love to see Tata Motors and M&M emerge globally as respectable brands like Honda, Toyota and Hyundai.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby SSundar » 18 Jun 2016 13:00

schinnas wrote:
I would love to see Tata Motors and M&M emerge globally as respectable brands like Honda, Toyota and Hyundai.


Tata and Mahindra are taking a looootttt longer to emerge globally than the Japanese, Korean or even Chinese did. Points to a lack of ambition to even achieve it. They seem to like making jugaad vehicles for India. A decent manufacturer from those other nations would have milked the JLR distribution network to get their Indian brand out there in less than 5 years.

An opportunity is emerging now for these companies to disrupt at least the Indian market, if not the global one, in the next 2-5 years - Electric Cars. With Piyush Goyal setting a goal for India to go 100% electric by 2030, I would hope that these Indian brands will be able to build better partnerships (as an underdog that threatens no one) with some Chinese companies that are aggressively building up technology in this space.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby schinnas » 18 Jun 2016 21:52

SSundar wrote:
schinnas wrote:
I would love to see Tata Motors and M&M emerge globally as respectable brands like Honda, Toyota and Hyundai.


Tata and Mahindra are taking a looootttt longer to emerge globally than the Japanese, Korean or even Chinese did. Points to a lack of ambition to even achieve it. They seem to like making jugaad vehicles for India. A decent manufacturer from those other nations would have milked the JLR distribution network to get their Indian brand out there in less than 5 years.

An opportunity is emerging now for these companies to disrupt at least the Indian market, if not the global one, in the next 2-5 years - Electric Cars. With Piyush Goyal setting a goal for India to go 100% electric by 2030, I would hope that these Indian brands will be able to build better partnerships (as an underdog that threatens no one) with some Chinese companies that are aggressively building up technology in this space.


Agreed. In this respect, Mahindra seems to be lot bolder than Tata (having a fully electric vehicle e2o). Also, Mahindra is positioning itself as the "go-to" brand for all sorts of utility vehicles. Tata Motors have sqandered their chances and seems to be waking up only now, but Mahindra seems to be running ahead. Capturing the South asian market (all our neighbors including Afghanistan) and Africa should be the short term priority after which, we should go global.

Government should also provide SOPs and regulations that benefit domestic industry in building capability for full electric vehicles.

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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Aug 26 2015

Postby gakakkad » 19 Jun 2016 03:18

more than lack of confidence I feel that it is reflective of their lack of desire...they make quick cash as they benefit from "protectionism" (forgive me from using the term) ...they are able undercut non Indian companies easily and sell a lot of cars in India and other developing companies...if they want to ,it is not beyond them to beat at least the american brands if not the japanese/german...


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