Re: Indian Autos Thread -2
Posted: 18 Aug 2015 08:36
Why wasn't it covered under the warranty?kenop wrote:One of the posts mentioned a cylinder head replacement reaching ~2L. Was mentioned that it had to done on a < 1y old car.
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Why wasn't it covered under the warranty?kenop wrote:One of the posts mentioned a cylinder head replacement reaching ~2L. Was mentioned that it had to done on a < 1y old car.
Makes sense. I missed that, if it was mentioned. Read many comments and may have mixed up.nachiket wrote: Why wasn't it covered under the warranty?
These sensor controlled vehicles do not allow you to do any bandaid type of repairs to get you to the nearest service center. You need company roadside assistance and more often than not, a tow truck. Pretty tough to get such assistance on most Indian highways in the boondocks.Chandragupta wrote:VW may be expensive to maintain but let me tell you that it is a rock solid vehicle. I have the 2015 Jetta Diesel and old Honda Civic feels like an old tin can in comparison. Even Accord doesn't feel that heavy on the road. I feel in control even at speeds in excess of 120 kmph where a Honda high end sedan will start shaking like anything. With the roads we have and with the safety records of our roads & the sheer number of sootiyas on road driving high end vehicles/SUV, anything you pay to be safe on the road is less.
of course it will be as solidly immovable as a solid rock when that engine refuses to start in the morning and more rock solid feeling in your gut when you realize you will have to call the shop and it will take at least a day just to know the cause while do whatever you do you will late for that crucial presentation. VW, all Korean, Fiat, Peaugeat( hope the spelling correct), Ford are all the worst maintenance wiseChandragupta wrote:VW may be expensive to maintain but let me tell you that it is a rock solid vehicle.
Shubh shubh bolo Saar.niran wrote:of course it will be as solidly immovable as a solid rock when that engine refuses to start in the morning and more rock solid feeling in your gut when you realize you will have to call the shop and it will take at least a day just to know the cause while do whatever you do you will late for that crucial presentation. VW, all Korean, Fiat, Peaugeat( hope the spelling correct), Ford are all the worst maintenance wiseChandragupta wrote:VW may be expensive to maintain but let me tell you that it is a rock solid vehicle.
Thumb rule in India, all European cars are expensive to service and maintain and it's a ripoff. Japanese cars are more reasonable in the service dept, economical to maintain and run. The decades older, non electronic Mercs and BMWs still run like a dream.Chandragupta wrote:Shubh shubh bolo Saar.niran wrote:
{quote="Chandragupta"}VW may be expensive to maintain but let me tell you that it is a rock solid vehicle.{/quote}
of course it will be as solidly immovable as a solid rock when that engine refuses to start in the morning and more rock solid feeling in your gut when you realize you will have to call the shop and it will take at least a day just to know the cause while do whatever you do you will late for that crucial presentation. VW, all Korean, Fiat, Peaugeat( hope the spelling correct), Ford are all the worst maintenance wise
I know European brands have not distinguished themselves in maintenance but they're improving. The worst is Skoda btw.
And I'd rather be in a VW car instead of Honda or Toyota tin cans or Maruti in case of a mishap on Indian roads.
The "heaviness/stability" on the road has a lot to do with the suspension setup and may not be directly correlated with weight alone. The stiffer tightly damped suspension gives you that feeling of safety and stability on the highway because it prevents the vehicle from moving around too much when the pavement isn't smooth. Wider tires with short sidewalls also help. But it may also lead to a rough or bumpy ride at slow speeds on rough roads.Chandragupta wrote:VW may be expensive to maintain but let me tell you that it is a rock solid vehicle. I have the 2015 Jetta Diesel and old Honda Civic feels like an old tin can in comparison. Even Accord doesn't feel that heavy on the road. I feel in control even at speeds in excess of 120 kmph where a Honda high end sedan will start shaking like anything. With the roads we have and with the safety records of our roads & the sheer number of sootiyas on road driving high end vehicles/SUV, anything you pay to be safe on the road is less.
Yes Skoda is VW but different entities. Skoda is absolute worst when it comes to service, too many horror stories floating around. Check TBHP.Raveen wrote:Not to mention the same Accord here can do more than a 120 mph without 'shaking wildly'
Also, in other breaking news, Skoda = VW, try not to bash one of them while praising the other in the same post.
Mercs and Beeyums are different class sir, can't compare them saar like Apple and Oranges and don't even mention Skoda saar, methinks have mentioned somewhere me have a Mallu lunch buddy, against my advice he went and bought a Skoda for his SHQ so that she can drop and pick the keeds at school (school van cost 30,000 in real monay/month) all his bania giri went for a kite flying session within 7 months(ain't typo) after purchase you can imagine the scene when within 7 months the repair bill is half the price of the car and red Mirchi on wounds the sale price is half of down payment.chetak wrote: Shubh shubh bolo Saar.
I know European brands have not distinguished themselves in maintenance but they're improving. The worst is Skoda btw.
And I'd rather be in a VW car instead of Honda or Toyota tin cans or Maruti in case of a mishap on Indian roads.
Thumb rule in India, all European cars are expensive to service and maintain and it's a ripoff. Japanese cars are more reasonable in the service dept, economical to maintain and run. The decades older, non electronic Mercs and BMWs still run like a dream.
I don't know. Many of the alarms seem to do with driver protection. My wife kept setting off alarms in the beginning because she used to back out and drive a little more aggressively. But now after 6 months she drives it with much more consideration and care and it has been working flawlessly, not a single alarm, except when she tried to back into our mailbox for the 1,030,567th time. Keep fingers crossed...Raja Bose wrote:Beemer seems to have totally lost it when it comes to understanding why customers used to love their sedans. One of our technicians just bought a spanking new 5 series beemer and was in tears by the time she got home coz the car was blaring a million warnings and alarms at her and there was no obvious way to turn them off and to top it all she couldn't figure out how to put the darn thing in park once she got home. Long story short she returned the car the next day and went and got a Hyundai Genesis instead.
Holy cowabunga! In my state 50 miles over the speed limit is an automatic l6 moth license suspension. You are getting of very lucky.niran wrote: 195 kmph with a demand to payup 1000 real monay or else.
Discrepancies in the European tests on the diesel models of the VW Passat, the VW Jetta and the BMW X5 last year gave Peter Mock an idea.
Since the cars had trouble meeting the somewhat lax European emissions standards, and since India has been adopting the European standards, these cars are likely polluting in India as well.The U.S. has higher emissions standards than the rest of the world and a history of enforcing them, so Mock and his American counterpart, John German, were sure the U.S. versions of the vehicles would pass the emissions tests
I dont these 2.5 l and 3.5 liter Diesels are sold in US. They wont meet emission norms there, they are reliable but polluters allt he same. Hell even Ford or Chevrolet does not sell any of the smaller Diesels in US.negi wrote:Finally lord Ganesha has given all of us VW customers something to cheer about , the mofos will get slapped with a penalty of about 18 billion USD in recalls alone. The stock has already nose dived and today the CEO of the German co has official issued a statement to halt all sales . I have personally written to ARAI to take up VW emissions issue in India and also notified them that a parallel complaint has been registered with the PMO too. So looks like Germans were not only coming short on reliability against the Japanese but were also cheating on emissions by gaming the emissions tests . Goes to show how much superior diesel engine on a Innova and Fortuner is when compared to the junk that powers Jetta, Passat and even the Audi A3.
The High Torque of Turbo Diesel lower down the rev range makes them quite tough in 80-120 kph to overtake for say an N.A former Petrol Accent or dads 3rd Gen Petrol Honda City. Apart from just milage, this low end torque which makes Diesel cars good for overtaking in 80-120 kph range makes them very popular, similar sized Petrol cars are under powered unless you keep working the gears. Hell even in the ecoboost if there anther vehicle blocking my lane, I would need to use the right gear to over I20 crdi on Highways.nachiket wrote:The only reason Diesel became so popular in India is because of the huge gap in Diesel and petrol prices and to a lesser extent, the difference in mileage. The price difference is not that great in the US (don't know about China) and the consumers there are less concerned about the extra mileage and more concerned about having smooth engines with good acceleration and a lot of raw power. No wonder Petrol is more popular there.
Highly likely, with the unwritten costs Petrol Bunk owners have to go through plus with the Oil Mafia having its roots here.negi wrote:
Again more than the octane rating it is just about the quality of petrol, last year a Pune based Doctor's A6 stalled after tanking up from some Indian oil petrol bunk according to Audi it was because of poor quality petrol.
The only advantage of filling your tank at shell is that the fuel is clean and the quantity is right. This usually translates to extra mileage often mistaken for superior quality in shell fuels.Singha wrote:i have taken to filling up petrol only in a shell near my house.
No idea about China. But research indicated diesel exhaust was a probable carcinogen in the 80s. It is now classified as a carcinogen by the WHO. Emissions regulations have been tightened as a result.Aditya_V wrote:Any idea why Diesels dont sell in China and USA. what are the domestic laws against it.
You forget one important fact Kerosene which is highly subsidized for BPL folks gets routed by the kerosene mafia to petrol bunk owners who mix a lot of kerosene in diesel to bring the actual cost down. One more thing is even if Diesel's cost becomes equal to petrol it gives much better mileage between 15-20 km/l as against 8-12 km/l for petrol vehicles .Gus wrote:we buy diesel because of subsidy. as subsidy is gradually stopped, diesels will also gradually come down as petrol and diesel prices come near.
Gujju owned Shell stations here are notorious for milawat in petrol.Singha wrote:That's precisely why I go to shell. Honesty. It's also nearest to my house
They also give a free windshield clean and air pump is always manned
Plus the station is kept uber clean not grimy oil stained
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Volkswagen emissions scandal: Audi says 2.1 million of its cars have VW cheat device
VW scandal stretches to Audi cars
Zlata Rodionova |
Monday 28 September 2015
Audi admitted 2.1 million of its diesel cars worldwide were fitted with the same software that allowed VW to cheat on US emission tests.
Some 1.42 million Audi vehicles with so-called EU5 engines are affected in Western Europe, with 577,000 in Germany and almost 13,000 in the United States, a spokesman for Ingolstadt-based Audi said on Monday.
Affected models include the A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, TT, Q3 and Q5, a spokesman told the Reuters news agency.
The news came as German prosecutors opened an investigation against the former Volkswagen chief executive, Martin Winterkorn. The inquiry is focussing on "allegations of fraud in the sale of cars with manipulated emissions data," prosecutors said today.
VW sparked outrage last week after admitting that 11 million of its diesel cars were fitted with defeat devices that could determine when the engine was being tested and change the car’s performance for better results.
The scandal tarnished the ‘made in Germany’ brand exposing it to 18 billion dollars in US fines while its shares fell almost 30 per cent last week.
Matthias Mueller, former chairman of Porsche, replaced Martin Winterkorn as VW chief executive on Friday.
Mr Winterkorn quit last Wednesday saying he had no knowledge of manipulation of emissions results.
Volkswagen shares continued to slide on Monday falling to nearly 7 per cent.