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Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 17 May 2017 05:31

Finally located a video of construction activity of Eastern DFC between Kanpur and Allahabad. GMR construction is the prime contractor. Note the videographer is doing everything but is completely ignorant and oblivious to the fact that his is perhaps the first video to document construction of the DFC on this section. Totally clueless. There are other videos of this section but those people took shots of the left side of the train and missed the southern side where DFC tracks will be located. Note the earthworks stop as they near a village. Similar was the case in October 2015 on the Delhi-Kanpur section, which is now at a more advanced stage with track linking but no electric traction poles and no signals. The state of this section Kanpur-Allahabad-Mughalsarai, does not give me hope of a December 2019 completion. There are no major rivers here except at Allahabad when DFC tracks will veer right and cross the Yamuna. The second station after Kanpur towards Allahabad is Chakeri, which was home to No. 1 Base repair depot BRD of IAF and where AVM Harjinder Singh ruled with an iron hand. YB Chavan as RM moved 1 BRD out to Nagpur and IAF Chakeri became HAL Chakeri. I saw the first Avro HS 748 being built at Chakeri which was named Subroto Mukherjee. Earthworks can be seen at 0:38 onwards more or less continuously. This is the famous Doab, land between two rivers, Ganga and Yamuna and no serious engineering challenges except LA problems.
Here no work gets done, Yogi or otherwise, until you know the magic words Hum Chaubey ke aadmi hain.
And you also need to know Rangbaazi, kantaap, lappad and danga hua to bahut gumma chala.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQZh3R6nc-g

Western DFC, work between Phulera and Ajmer. Note Ateli(near Rewari) to Phulera 190km will be the first section to be commissioned March 2018 in western DFC. This is work after that on the 641 km Iqbalgarh-Rewari section which is the most advanced of all sections on western DFC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCbzEArSDDw

From July 2016, Kanpur towards Khurja(Delhi) eastern DFC. Extreme two tracks are DFC tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGDJa55XEY

These tracks when approaching Kanpur will veer south of Kanpur, jump over the Kanpur Jhansi tracks and perhaps have a junction with IR and then rejoin the alignment parallel to IR tracks near Chakeri in the first video linked above. All the time staying south of IR tracks. Near Allahabad at Manauri, tracks will veer south, behind IAF station Bamrauli(HQ central command) jump over the Allahabad-Katni tracks towards Jabalpur and Mumbai and re-join IR alignment towards Mughalsarai at Karchana, completely bypassing Allahabad.
Incidentally somebody posted on Civil aviation thread a list of UP civilian airports. IAF Chakeri, Kanpur had a civilian enclave/airport for years, flights even went to London before WW2. I once took a Fokker Friendship F-27 flight to Delhi from there. Then it was shut down. Late Wg.-Cdr Trevor Keelor was associated with some Archana Airways flying from there and they had some nasty accidents. Now the civilian enclave has re-started with flights to Delhi. Ditto for Allahabad. There is a civilian enclave in IAF station Bamrauli/ Allahabad and yours truly took a flight out of Bamrauli in Oct 2015 to Delhi. Navigation is easy, plonk yourself on top of the Yamuna river and follow. You also see a whole bunch of Mirage -2000's lined up on the tarmac. Old days since IR tracks pass next to airfield wall, you would always see AN-12's with jet packs on top waiting to take off or Fairchild packets, Flying Boxcars, that was so long ago, 1963 I think.

PS: On Google Earth you can clearly see the Allahabad bypass I alluded above. It begins a little after Manauri station (towards Allahabad) and goes indeed behind Bamrauli airfield and ends near Highway 30 a little before it hits the Jabalpur tracks. There is no earthworks beyond this point. There is a gap at the Yamuna and I cannot see any traces of piers though some foundations for piers have been sunk.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 17 May 2017 07:04

The packet or caribou had a rr orpheous dorsal jet pack for leh ops. The an12 was fine with its 4 engines

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Kashi » 17 May 2017 08:05

vsunder wrote: Earthworks can be seen at 0:38 onwards more or less continuously. This is the famous Doab, land between two rivers, Ganga and Yamuna and no serious engineering challenges except LA problems.


They can barely be called earthworks. You are right 2019 deadline seems far far away.

vsunder wrote:From July 2016, Kanpur towards Khurja(Delhi) eastern DFC. Extreme two tracks are DFC tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGDJa55XEY


I thought DFC were supposed to have no level crossings, but they seems to pass through a level crossing around 0:42-43.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 17 May 2017 08:43

Yes DFC will have no level crossings. But the problem is that DFC is running parallel to IR tracks on one of its busiest sections: Howrah-Delhi. So any elimination of level crossings means crossing 4 sets of tracks. Jumping over or under IR tracks is going to be hell, on such a busy route. Let us see how they do it. They cannot have a big traffic block. So I think it means they will be forced to make ROB's (instead of underbridges) and so till those come up there is the road that you see. With the dense population, I wonder about how they will solve the problem of approach roads to the ROB's. This section Khurja-Kanpur is due for commissioning in Dec 2018, at least that is what DFC has announced. I saw some tweets from CR, DRM Solapur about how they had managed to push stuff under tracks without traffic blocks and created a RUB. It is going to be tricky on this section. Just very high traffic.

By the way I looked closely at the Allahabad bypass on Google earth. It is unmistakable, earthworks are visible as a gash and from the regularity of the alignment/gash is clear it is obviously manmade. They indeed have sunk two piers into the Yamuna. You can see the huge loop of earthwork around the city. Earthworks end near highway 30 and re-start near Karchana railway station for a short distance and continue eastwards with breaks towards Mughalsarai. At many places you can see trees in the earthworks and houses, plausibly LA issues. One can also see mounds of material for blanketing. You will need such preparation as DFC has to carry 32.5 tonne axle loads. So from highway 30 to Karchana station nothing has been done.
You can also see quite a few piers over the Tamasa river, beyond Karchana to the east of Karchana. No spans yet. This is the same river where legend has that Rama and company spent their first night in exile and gave the denizens of Ayodhya the slip next morning. The Tamasa flows from the south to North and empties into the Ganga a few miles north of where it cuts the IR and DFC tracks. I have not checked the Kanpur bypass loop on Google earth. It is supposed to cut the Jhansi-Kanpur line between Bhimsen and Kanpur. Bhimsen is basically the first station on Jhansi-Kanpur line. CR used to start here now it is NCR that controls it. Here is a very recent statement that all level crossings on the DFC will be gone. IR will benefit from this too as you have rightly asked.

http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-gu ... ng-2321530
Look at the drone video of western DFC, there because of the low traffic density relatively they pushed concrete boxes under IR tracks and made RUB's and this they connected with the parallel DFC RUB's. This luxury they will not get on Howrah-Delhi or Surat-JNPT/Mumbai section.

PS: People confuse Tamasa and Tons, two different rivers. The Tons too is a tributary of the Yamuna, joining it northeast of Dehradun.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Kashi » 17 May 2017 09:05

Thanks very much vsunderji, your insights are always a pleasure to read.

Could you post some of these google earth snapshots or coordinates please?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 17 May 2017 09:25

I checked Google earth Kanpur. Firstly I am amazed. Places I knew as open fields, jheels and talabs/lakes all gone and new colonies have come up. Indeed earthworks of the bypass are visible. They start from in fact a little east of Chakeri, so east of Kanpur on the Howrah-Delhi line. There seems to be a new station east of Chakeri "Rooma" never existed long ago, the bypass even begins east of Rooma. Loops south around Kanpur, has to avoid all these new colonies of a densely packed city. The earthworks are not continuous, but pieces here, pieces there etc. Then it approaches the Kanpur-Jhansi line between Bhimsen and Kanpur. Just before it cuts this line the earthwork splits. There is a left hand fork going towards Bhimsen station and one going straight ahead. Meaning is clear. DFC will hop over the IR Jhansi-Kanpur tracks. The left hand fork will be the connection of DFC to IR in the direction of Jhansi. The earthworks then stop and start again and then stop. So there is a good piece where nothing has been done to connect to Bhaupur on the Howrah-Delhi line west of Kanpur. So there is a massive amount of work pending. You will see lot of coal rakes on this bypass, coming from Jharia east of Kanpur and taking the bypass and going on to IR towards Jhansi. There is a huge thermal plant Pariccha thermal station 24 km from Jhansi on the Jhansi-Kanpur line that is being doubled. It is currently single lined but electrified a few years ago. There will be a new bridge across the Yamuna at Kalpi to carry the second set of IR tracks. Famous battle took place at Kalpi between Tantya Tope and the British and this area called Kanpur Dehat (village) district has a very old brick temple

http://puratattva.in/2011/12/06/nibiya- ... mplex-1383

Not a single station on the Jhansi-Kanpur line had electricity in the 1960's. Oil lamps is what you had and the single line meant your train halted often. The station master worked in his office with a lantern as the telegraph instrument would come to life and clicked and clacked Morse code.

This is what a rail flyover of DFC looks like

https://twitter.com/dfccil_india/status ... 32/photo/1

This particular flyover is on the Khurja Kanpur section whose video I posted earlier. Approaching Hathras, DFC tracks veer away go into the wilderness, south of IR Delhi-Howrah alignment, hop over NER tracks here(Mathura-Kasganj), come back and join IR tracks Howrah-Delhi. The Mathura-Kasganj tracks themselves go over the Howrah-Delhi line at Hathras Jn.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 17 May 2017 19:22

Kashi you asked:

Bridge being constructed across Yamuna at Allahabad for DFC: Allahabad bypass

25.391836, 81.803526


DFC tracks behind/south of Air force station Bamrauli, Allahabad bypass.(zoom out to see the Air Force station)IR tracks pass north hugging boundary wall of the IAF station
25°25'14.6"N 81°44'00.3"E


Start of Allahabad bypass at Manauri station

25°27'17.1"N 81°41'14.8"E

End of Allahabad bypass at Karchana railway station. Bypass goes around the city of Allahabad and the city of Naini. Naini was where JLN was imprisoned for a time.

25.322377, 81.908122

Bridge being constructed across Tamasa river for DFC(zoom out to see Tamasa meeting Ganga a few miles north of DFC tracks)

25.239211, 82.039769


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Kanpur bypass for DFC

Start of bypass east of Kanpur at Rooma.
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Fork in DFC near Bhimsen station, on Kanpur Jhansi line. Note the left hand earthworks will link with IR tracks

26.419868, 80.240845

DFC will re-join IR Howrah-Delhi tracks here, no earthworks visible.
26.468238, 80.129190

Khurja(Delhi)-Kanpur section in fact ends here. West of here to Delhi is scheduled to be commissioned Dec 2018.

A lot of DFC bypass around Kanpur has been mislabeled by Google earth as Outer ring road. So beware.

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Bridge being constructed at Kalpi across the Yamuna, Jhansi-Kanpur doubling. Scheduled completion by RVNL is March 2018, do you really believe such drivel nonsense? Ullu banoing is an art form in India. Old bridge on the left was constructed by the Indian Midlands Railway and commissioned in 1889. I must have traveled across it at the age of 1 in the 1950's.

26.130179, 79.761652
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Kashi » 17 May 2017 19:49

^^ Many thanks vsunderji.this is wonderful.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 18 May 2017 02:44

Kashi: To further answer your questions: Here is a new ROB to eliminate a level crossing on the DFC, north of Hathras Jn on Delhi-Kanpur section, colour of the concrete indicates its a new structure

27.650812, 78.132144
A few 100 metres from the above, DFC starts to split from main Howrah-Delhi IR line and avoid Hathras Jn.

27.647484, 78.132470

Then it loops and there is an incomplete Rail over Rail flyover over NER tracks Mathura-Kasganj, with DFC above. I posted a twitter pic of construction from 2015, now 2017 but not over yet. Kaam chal raha hai, chikai aur tafri kar rahe hain Large portions of this bypass seem not to be track linked, Dec 2018 kampletion ho jayega?? for Cawnpore-Khurja section? Systems work is non-existent anywhere, khamba for bijli, signals etc.

27.620646, 78.121872

Then DFC comes back after looping around Hathras Jn and rejoins main IR tracks here at Sithrauli towards Cawnpore.

27.573369, 78.145823

Historical note: On his wanderings around India as an unknown parivrajaka after Ramakrishna died, Swami Vivekananda happened to alight at this very Hathras Jn. The stationmaster a Bengali gent, happened to see him and much impressed by his demeanour and appearance, took him home and was his host. At the end of his stay SV so impressed the stationmaster that he resigned his job and became a disciple of SV, his first. This was around 1887.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Sadananda

You should expect a similar rail over rail flyover constructed over Katni-Jabalpur line at Allahabad bypass here. But this will be more elaborate with a connection to IR exactly like at Bhimsen near Kanpur ^^^ above. This will allow steel and minerals from Chhatisgarh and Odisha to move via Bilaspur and Katni onto the DFC towards Punjab. There will be a tell tale fork with just a fork towards Jabalpur here constructed in future days: ( I do not expect a junction with IR for this Hathras flyover as this Mathura-Kasganj line sees little freight traffic)

25.353447, 81.839900

In fact the fork will start here for the Katni tracks:

25.349224, 81.851286

These are the start of the foundations of the rail flyover over the Jabalpur-Katni tracks:

25.350496, 81.848159

25.351617, 81.844118




In fact none of the bypasses are ready between Kanpur and Delhi. Going a little south of Hathras, there is the very important junction of Tundla. Here a line branches out to Agra. Again you see an incomplete bypass, rail flyover over the Agra line is not built and here DFC will connect with a fork to the Agra line. You can see all that on Google earth, earthworks are built up, but no flyover and no tracks laid out.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Kashi » 18 May 2017 05:33

vsunder wrote:Start of Allahabad bypass at Manauri station

25°27'17.1"N 81°41'14.8"E


The existing railway line next to the bypass in the image does not seem to be electrified. This is the Southbound line to Jabalpur etc. isn't it? I thought that all South bound lines from Allahabad were electrified.

Edit: It could be the resolution. I cannot really make out Howrah-Delhi mainline as being electrified either.

vsunder wrote:End of Allahabad bypass at Karchana railway station. Bypass goes around the city of Allahabad and the city of Naini. Naini was where JLN was imprisoned for a time.
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Bridge being constructed at Kalpi across the Yamuna, Jhansi-Kanpur doubling. Scheduled completion by RVNL is March 2018, do you really believe such drivel nonsense? Ullu banoing is an art form in India. Old bridge on the left was constructed by the Indian Midlands Railway and commissioned in 1889. I must have traveled across it at the age of 1 in the 1950's.


Naini has has a new bridge over Yamuna that was funded by JBIC and constructed by Hyundai. The drive over the bridge when one exits the crowded Naini market is a breeze.

But you are right, the earthworks are barely ready along most of the stretches. At this rate, 2018 seems impossible and even 2019 would be a stretch.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 18 May 2017 09:05

Kashi wrote:
vsunder wrote:Start of Allahabad bypass at Manauri station

25°27'17.1"N 81°41'14.8"E


The existing railway line next to the bypass in the image does not seem to be electrified. This is the Southbound line to Jabalpur etc. isn't it? I thought that all South bound lines from Allahabad were electrified.

Edit: It could be the resolution. I cannot really make out Howrah-Delhi mainline as being electrified either.


If you mean Manauri station and start of DFC bypass line, Manauri is between Allahabad and Kanpur and thus on Howrah-Delhi trunk line which has been electrified a long time ago 1980's if not earlier.

The Allahabad-Jabalpur-Itarsi line is NOT electrified but is being electrified and some sections commissioned, like Itarsi-Pipariya a few months ago. Allahabad-Jabalpur is still being electrified and so is Jabalpur-Pipariya. There was a CBI raid on the Spanish contractor and sub-contractor for this electrification early in 2015 and this held up the progress of electrification. DFC will pass over the Jabalpur line as I pointed out by means of a rail flyover. There will be a connection between IR Jabalpur line and DFC and I gave the coordinates of the foundation pillars for the rail flyover over the Jabalpur line. See my last post. You will pick out the Jabalpur line, it is doubled, there are traction poles but line is not energized. Work is going on. Here is the Jabalpur line, zoom out a little and you should see DFC bypass approaching the Jabalpur line at coordinates below:(you should see foundation pillars of the rail flyover that take DFC over the tracks below)


25.353447, 81.839900

Incidentally CORE is located in Allahabad--- Central Organization for Railway Electrification.

http://www.core.indianrailways.gov.in/

Standard IR electrification will not do for DFC. It will not be enough to haul 13,000 tonne freights. Though it is 25kV as IR, amps drawn is huge, you can look at the specs for example Sojitz corp has provided. People simply have no clue the scale of this stuff and the plethora of new technologies that are being ushered in. If you put in IR technology all the fuses will blow. It is a simple exercise to calculate, 13,000 tonne freights moving at 100 kmph and even without line loss etc etc, at 25kV the amperage involved is staggering. What they are doing is essentially 50kv, 2x25kv. Japan Engineering Corp had earlier designed such a 2x25kv system for IR after our desi RDSO failed to come up with such a system. This 2x25 system is there on Bina-Katni section(I suppose all those coal rakes) since 1999 I think. Substations are 60-80km apart.

https://www.railelectrica.com/traction- ... on-system/

Substations will be farther apart as line losses will be lower. But this will mean a whole new system. That is why I have been saying that it is not so easy, tracks ho gaya ab khamba lagao and bijli. One added spinoff that is advantageous is that HSR will also most likely use 2x25 kV systems so the DFC will be a proving ground for installation and maintenance of such systems.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Kashi » 18 May 2017 09:28

vsunder wrote:If you mean Manauri station and start of DFC bypass line, Manauri is between Allahabad and Kanpur and thus on Howrah-Delhi trunk line which has been electrified a long time ago 1980's if not earlier.


Like I said, it could be the resolution, because as you pointed out Manauri is "upstream" of Bamrauli on the Howrah-Allahabad line and this section was electrified long back. Looking closely, I think I can make out the pillars, but not the overhead wires.

So the DFC will skip Allahabad completely.

vsunder wrote:DFC will pass over the Jabalpur line as I pointed out by means of a rail flyover. There will be a connection between IR Jabalpur line and DFC and I gave the coordinates of the foundation pillars for the rail flyover over the Jabalpur line. See my last post. You will pick out the Jabalpur line, it is doubled, there are traction poles but line is not energized. Work is going on. Here is the Jabalpur line, zoom out a little and you should see DFC bypass approaching the Jabalpur line at coordinates below:(you should see foundation pillars of the rail flyover that take DFC over the tracks below)


Yes it's clearly visible and after the DFC tracks converge with the regular ones at Karchana, they appear to run side-by-side all the way till Mirzapur perhaps, before veering off south, but I cannot make out the route beyond Shapur Chausa. I wonder what the alignment will be upto Mughal Sarai and beyond.

25.095837, 82.612644

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 19 May 2017 18:00

OK, saw some videos of the new Tejas trains. The body does not seem to be hammered but machined. If true it is a "giant" leap for IR quality wise.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby rahulm » 20 May 2017 14:18

We finally get automated entry and exit doors which close automatically when the train starts. More useful than time pass ogling at WAP's and ALCO's

Have they got rid of the chain ?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JohnTitor » 20 May 2017 14:19

Looks very nice. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

I hope these are maintained well. Both by the railways and the people who use them. All these good services are meaningless if they devolve into broken screens, torn seats etc. Last year when they introduced new coaches, within a week toilets we're broken and seats were ripped.

I remember about 10 years ago when the Volvo busses were introduced in KA, they were wonderful and started off great. Last year I went on one again and it was worse than the red busses. People need to feel that this is their collective property but most don't because they don't pay taxes and hence the bus burning during protests, very sad.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 20 May 2017 15:52

Any idea which locos will be used to haul tejas.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JohnTitor » 21 May 2017 13:32

Only yesterday I said that the Tejas train was in danger of being turned into damaged goods. Well here it is:

Tejas windows broken while it left the station. Typical!
https://t.co/wqdnLVmsXj?amp=1

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby rahulm » 21 May 2017 13:55

Firstly, kudos to IR for what looks to be a slick premium contemporary offering. At least, they are trying.

Now to IR's customers. I predict, in less than 6 months some :

- screens will be missing (buy a ticket take a screen home model )
- screens will be shattered (hit by bags, boxes and the weapons that pass off as women's hand bags these days )
- screens will be unhinged and dangling (yeh kitna pucca hai dehken to zara)
- screens will flicker so badly that it won't be practical to use them
- balance screens will have a yucky mucky sticky gooey layer deposited by the indulgent kids with sticky fingers poking the screens with parents watching with doting eyes.
- at least one screen, maybe more will,have a Railneer water bottle somehow stuffed in the tiny gap between the backside of the screen and the chair it is fixed. It will worthy of a Phd thesis to figure out how in the world could any mortal,manage this feat.
- seats will be in permanently in recline mode, some in upright mode and some will oscillate between the 2 modes depending on whether I should train is accelerating or braking. IR Should just use stock aircraft seats which are designed to,take abuse instead of the existing Khadi Gramudyog type jugaad seats that rarely work properly.
- the auto doors will be in permanently open position (to increase GDP growth by assisting entry and egrees by hawkers )
-DDM will confuse Tejas trains and Tejas LCA and some very interesting reporting will follow which will cause pages of angst on BRF

The IR has goofed up. tejas should first haven been introduced from Buxar to Mughalserai :)

Anyone, noticed the irritating high pitched noise near the kitchen ? I think, it is from the Thyristors running the electronics. Sure to drive the attendants and smokers who will gather in that space crazy.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby hanumadu » 21 May 2017 14:23

The Executive Class fare in Tejas has been fixed at Rs 2,540 without food and Rs 2,940 with food. The Chair Car fare is Rs 1,850 with food and Rs 1,220 without food.


What is the current shatabdi fare for Mumbai to Goa?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby rahulm » 21 May 2017 14:42

12051 is a Jan Shatabdi. CC (highest class) fare is Rs 940.

11085 double decker is Rs 840

22119 Tejas fare is Rs 1310 but as you would expect big diff in facilities between the 2 trains.

The diff in scheduled arrival times between Tejas and Jan Shatabdi is 10 minutes ( Tejas is faster)
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby hanumadu » 21 May 2017 14:50

The pricing looks expensive. Amtrak fare from San Jose to LA for a distance of 450 km is 20$. But I guess there must be a lot of demand with a billion people. I don't see why there should such a huge difference between a normal train and an ac chair. A non executive AC chair car accommodates the same number of people as a general compartment. The only difference is the AC. Why should the price be thrice or four times then? Too much cross subsidizing which might ending up not generating the expected demand. A 600 to 800 rupee fare is more reasonable while I believe 400-500 will still be immensely profitable for the railways. The middle class will still feel the pinch with the proposed prices.

The heating facility for food in each coach looks hard to maintain. People will be spilling food all over and those trays and heating slots need to be cleaned regularly.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby rahulm » 21 May 2017 14:59

The middle class is flying into Goa. Mostly, students are taking the train/bus. I think Tejas patronage will be good. The CC fare is about the same as a 'NEETA VOLVO TOWARDS THE WORLD CLASS' overnight sleeper fare. The over night bus does save you a day but you arrive with your bones re-organised.

Karmali, its last and only stop,in Goa is in central Goa and less than 20 kms from Panaji

I feel a fair % of the flight crowd will,patronise this train. Saves the hassle at Mumbai and Dabolim airport which is in South Goa. It's a pain, time consuming and costs way too much to get to Panaji and the northern beaches from Dabolim.

Tejas leaves early AM and brings you into Goa in time for for a fish curry lunch. It's perfect. IR Has got the schedule right, if the KR single track obliges.

I am surprised the train doesn't stop at either Pernem or Thivim. I predict a 2 min half at either or both these stations in the future.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JohnTitor » 21 May 2017 17:40

prices need to be high if the services are good - and modern. People need to pay to allow for good services.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby rahulm » 21 May 2017 18:31

Tejas Express set to begin maiden journey tomorrow; Here are top features of the luxurious train

Posting some gems

The high-speed rake is capable of running at the speed of 200 kmph


It includes modern amenities like onboard infotainment like Wi-Fi,......


Coaches is of LHB coaches .......
:)

GPS bases passenger information display system.....


According to the fare-chart released by the railways, its rates are there times higher than other trains like Jan Shatabdi express running on the similar route


The railways had maintained due to better facilities it’s rates would be 20 per cent more than a Shatabdi train catering to different destinations
[Does this sentence make any sense ? ]

With wider choices like croissant and French fries in breakfast and lachcha paratha and chicken kolhapuri for the main course, train meals are not going to be boring any more.
let's hope the Le Croissant is edible. It might taste like Goan pao in which case it would be a clever camouflage.

There was a time, my school teacher used to encourage me to read newspapers to improve my English. Not good advice anymore.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 21 May 2017 20:41

This is a premium train with better facilities and services. Plus the coaches are more expensive. So don't expect garib rath fares. Also if you want to pay pennies you will get crap. The onus is now on IR to maintain these trains. As India moves to a high middle income country our trains and services should reflect that.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 21 May 2017 20:55

Lucknow - mumbai AC superfast derails between lko-kanpur. Being an lhb train. thankfully no injuries or worse. And this is the route that the next tejas lko - new delhi announced in budget is supposed to ply on from july.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Zynda » 22 May 2017 00:07

rahulm wrote:Firstly, kudos to IR for what looks to be a slick premium contemporary offering. At least, they are trying.

Now to IR's customers. I predict, in less than 6 months some :

Why wait 6 months saar. Check this out:

Break in India: Windows of new Tejas Express damaged en route Mumbai from Delhi

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The train has not even been flagged off to complete its first journey and the windows of Tejas Express have already been damaged by miscreants.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JohnTitor » 22 May 2017 02:58

^^ When I see such things, I feel Indians don't really deserve nice things. So much work and resources goes into making india modern (by this govt, contrary to the looting and providing 3rd grade stuff by previous regime). And people just destroy it like it doesn't matter.

Very disturbing.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Avtar Singh » 22 May 2017 03:09

OMG you guys dont understand anything..

It is the broken window theory of economic development, these stone throwers know what they are doing.
These are not just random acts of vandalism.

see here, krugman;
http://www.aei.org/publication/paul-kru ... -strength/

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JohnTitor » 22 May 2017 03:57

This has nothing to do with the broken window fallacy. Is it possible that these stone pelters were paid to destroy NM's image of being a developer? Sure. Could it be that these are people who aren't getting what they feel "entitled to"? Sure. Where is the need to break windows to create employment when IR is expanding and renovating at a pace never seen in the history of india?

It is just a bunch of thugs either acting on their own or paid for by someone to dent NM's image. At the end of the day, none of it matters because India as a society loses out because we cannot have something that although is a "luxury" in india is just normal service in a developed country. Will these people ever be caught and prosecuted? Chances are somewhere between zero and nil. Until people face the consequences of their action, they will not change - simply because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain (even if that gain is mere "entertainment" or thrill in destroying public property)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 22 May 2017 06:52

JohnTitor wrote:This has nothing to do with the broken window fallacy. Is it possible that these stone pelters were paid to destroy NM's image of being a developer? Sure. Could it be that these are people who aren't getting what they feel "entitled to"? Sure. Where is the need to break windows to create employment when IR is expanding and renovating at a pace never seen in the history of india?

It is just a bunch of thugs either acting on their own or paid for by someone to dent NM's image. At the end of the day, none of it matters because India as a society loses out because we cannot have something that although is a "luxury" in india is just normal service in a developed country. Will these people ever be caught and prosecuted? Chances are somewhere between zero and nil. Until people face the consequences of their action, they will not change - simply because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain (even if that gain is mere "entertainment" or thrill in destroying public property)


I think this is reading too much into it. It is a common occurance in indian railways. Normally for entertainment purpose or when a certain section feels justified in illegally forcing a train to stop at a passing through station. Happened with me once when Gomti superfast was passing through shikohabad/firozabad with local college students throwing stones. Today it has become a daily passenger with too many stoppages.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Zynda » 22 May 2017 11:00

Around 20 years ago, I was a kid and i had to travel frequently between Bangalore and Mysore. I remember vividly that meter gauge line was freshly converted to broad gauge one. Just after leaving BLR station, the train passes through a slum (which I think exists even today) and the young boys would throw stones at the trains just for fun. All the passengers used to close the windows with metal shutters. Even the parents justified the action of young boys. Further, the boys would just disappear with in the slums if the train came to a halt and on-board RPF wanted to curb. No amount of complaints helped since the "community" had political patronage. There were instances of even train guards getting injured. Once or twice, even the engine drivers got injured. Anyways, I dunno if its a problem even now.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby kapilrdave » 22 May 2017 11:47

Glass breaking is a good omen (shagun) before the start of a good work (mamma told). So cheer up guys :D .

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 22 May 2017 11:52

Good that HSR is on elevated track.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 22 May 2017 12:05

From SSC

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Are we going to build training line, IIRC we'll be send quite a few number of people to get training in Japan. Also, aren't they built for testing new tech such as Maglev ?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arshyam » 22 May 2017 13:09

Sending to Japan will work initially, but we'll need our own facilities if we expand the n/w in the future. IR has a pretty robust set of training schools across the country for various roles, it's only logical that they add an HSR facility as well.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 22 May 2017 16:16

The first phase of tunneling under the Hooghly river for Kolkata metro has been completed as in TBM has moved to the other side. This is first for India as was Kol metro.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishirishi » 23 May 2017 03:31

JohnTitor wrote:This has nothing to do with the broken window fallacy. Is it possible that these stone pelters were paid to destroy NM's image of being a developer? Sure. Could it be that these are people who aren't getting what they feel "entitled to"? Sure. Where is the need to break windows to create employment when IR is expanding and renovating at a pace never seen in the history of india?

It is just a bunch of thugs either acting on their own or paid for by someone to dent NM's image. At the end of the day, none of it matters because India as a society loses out because we cannot have something that although is a "luxury" in india is just normal service in a developed country. Will these people ever be caught and prosecuted? Chances are somewhere between zero and nil. Until people face the consequences of their action, they will not change - simply because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain (even if that gain is mere "entertainment" or thrill in destroying public property)



Come on, only a single window was broken. Could very well be a valid reason for it. Things can break.


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