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Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 06 Feb 2017 20:25

They should try to make it a scenic route, with glass top coaches etc.

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Postby Singha » 06 Feb 2017 20:40

Environment clearance will be tough

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JTull » 06 Feb 2017 21:58

This govt has show there's a will to do such things. Similar issues have dogged many a projects in NE and J&K (besides others).

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vasu raya » 07 Feb 2017 07:27

In a recent incident, they put a section of the rail across the tracks and the contact points with the track were insulated to avoid the "shorted" circuit alert message. Their idea might be to dovetail into the "derailment noise" of railways which is high.

In any case, if we see terrorism has a spill over effect whenever surgical strikes happen or in the run upto the Republic day etc., more active measures are needed.

Railways, if and when, are at a lower alert level can engage such unmanned vehicles for maintenance activities such as the thermite welding of the track joints during non peak hours. Daksh RoV comes to mind.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 07 Feb 2017 08:23

looking at videos, the andamans are surprisingly large around 300km N-S main island and has one road along the spine with hardly any spurs off it. this road seems like 1.5 lanes wide and at level below a state highway in the mainland. so even 300km is a 15hr journey by bus.

if they can 4 lane this road on the existing alignment , not only would it avoid environmental issues but also help people all along the way rather than a new alignment for railway.


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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sachin » 07 Feb 2017 12:11

Looks like the recent spate of train accidents do have a "terrorist" angle to it.
Kanpur train accident: prime suspect arrested in Nepal
One of the key suspects in connection with the derailment of Indore-Patna Express in Kanpur was arrested at Tribhuvan International Airport on Tuesday after being deported from Dubai.

A special team of Nepal Police arrested Samshul Hoda and three others.

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Looks like this was a well coordinated plan by three police agencies (Indian, Dubai & Nepal). The scoundrel was first deported from Dubai (I am sure MEA had played an active role here), and Nepal police was waiting for him to set foot in Nepal. Earlier even this news may only come out, after Mr. Shamsul Hooda was found loitering suspiciously at a bus stand in Indo-Nepal border, and the beat constables arrested him".

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby SaiK » 07 Feb 2017 21:23

I am remembering my grandpa repeated sayings about M Visvesvaraya. He used to say V is a great engineering mind. Once he pulled the chain and said, don't proceed over the approaching bridge. On questioning, he said the sound waves that hit his ears shows a clear sign of fracture in the bridge. They laughed at him.. He got down along with many. Many others died on the bridge collapse as the coaches slowly moved over it.

T/F or Urban Legend?

I think it is important to use ultra/-sonics and sensors on the run/real-time analysis and provide feedback. possibility? all depends on our designs. data collection is important to learn the abnormal deviations

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby prahaar » 08 Feb 2017 21:54

IoT sensor networks are essential to enable that.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vasu raya » 09 Feb 2017 07:31

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/18-sabotage-attempts-in-last-40-days-suresh-prabhu-concerned/articleshow/57049668.cms

Railways witnessed 18 "sabotage" cases in less than 40 days of 2017.
Sabotage attempts by placing boulders, concrete slab, stone slab were foiled by vigilant railway staff in recent days.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vasu raya » 12 Feb 2017 08:46

Even for the IoT, if sensors are placed say at the wheel-set level, all that generated data could be transferred to the pilot vehicle which could play a mobile tower and then be connected to trunk networks via satcom. This also provides net access to all the passengers as the rake is within the pilot mounted mobile tower range. Railways can then charge for the net access or make it a perk on higher fare tickets like airlines do.

so they could be recuperating their costs and give some meaning to the insurance cover they provide

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 13 Feb 2017 20:44

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 117111.cms

NEW DELHI: The railways will use LiDAR technology — which involves conducting an aerial survey, and is known to give accurate data on the contours of land, even below vegetation — to expedite work on India's first high-speed train corridor between Mumbai and Ahmedabad.
The use of Light Detection and Ranging, or LiDAR, will allow the survey of the 508km corridor to be completed in 9-10 weeks against the normal 6-8 months.
It will help the national transporter start ground work on the Modi government's dream project by 2018.
According to the plan, almost the entire corridor will be on an elevated track, except 21km that will be underground. Of the 21km, 7km will be undersea.
The survey will be conducted by a helicopter, which carries equipment, including a high-resolution digital camera (100 megapixel), a laser scanner and a data recorder.
An official said LiDAR was a remote-sensing technology that measured distance by illuminating a target with a laser and analysing the reflected light. The GPS unit interacts with GPS satellites to finalise the ground control points.
"The total flying time for covering the full corridor will be 30 hours. The preparatory work and time taken in processing of data is quite high, but still the process allows the survey of the full 508km in 9-10 weeks instead of 6-8 months," Mukul Mathur, executive director (PPP), railway board, said. The exercise is highly accurate and enables capturing data of buildings and forest," Mathur said, adding that this technology would be used for the survey of a rail line for the first time. For the survey, the helicopter will fly at a height of 500 metres while identifying 15.6 points per square metre.
As the survey generates very accurate data, the permission of the defence ministry and the DGCA will be sought, an official said .
The LiDAR survey is among four surveys —geo-technical investigation, hydrological survey and land plan preparations — being conducted by RITES at a cost of Rs 40 crore to finalise the alignment of the corridor.
Nearly 81% of the funding for the project, estimated to cost Rs 97,636 crore, will come by way of a loan from Japan.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby prahaar » 14 Feb 2017 01:17

This is great. Just compare the two links below to get an idea of the difference between helicopter borne LiDAR and satellite imaging. The former is more informative about the landscape.

https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=654ca588 ... orm=S00027

https://www.google.fi/maps/place/Helsin ... 24.9414217

These things are not that expensive if used in large scale. I wonder why it needs a bullet train to justify the use of such techniques. If even a fraction of bullet train construction related tech, expertise and operating procedures trickle to IR in general, it will be a huge leap.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JTull » 14 Feb 2017 13:08

After 15 years, Bogibeel bridge in Upper Assam nears completion

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DIBRUGARH. FEBRUARY 13:
A series of pillars, mostly incomplete, running across the 4.94-km wide Brahmaputra... For long, this was was the picture at Bogibeel, near Dibrugarh in Upper Assam.

But this is now set to change.

The bridge is finally nearing completion and is expected to open rail and road connectivity between Bogibeel on the south bank of the Brahmaputra and Silapathar in Dhemaji district on the Assam-Arunachal Pradesh border, in a year.

And, for Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who will seek re-election in 2019, Bogibeel may serve as a concrete symbol of effort to develop infrastructure in the North-East, and also forbetter defence logistics along the Sino-Indian border.

India has 3,488-km-long land boundary with China. Almost a third of it runs in Arunachal Pradesh. Currently, the rail and road link to Arunachal is maintained by three lower- and mid-Assam bridges — Jogighopa in Bongaigaon district, Saraighat near Guwahati, and Kolia-Bhomora between Sonitpur and Nagaon.

But this means a cargo from Dibrugarh in the north-eastern corner of Assam takes a 600-km detour merely to cross the Brahmaputra.

The only other alternative is crossing by ferry. But that is not suitable for large and heavy cargo.

Moreover, in a region where the monsoon lasts six months (May-October), ferry services often remain disrupted for months.

Strategic project
To improve logistics along the Sino-Indian border, India had planned a number of infrastructure projects nearly two decades ago.

This includes the construction of a Trans-Arunachal Highway on the north bank of the Brahmaputra, and new road and rail links over the mighty river and its major tributaries such as the Dibang, the Lohit, the Subansiri and the Kameng.

Bogibeel was a central piece of this plan.

It aimed linking NH-52 at Dhameji with NH-52 B in Dibrugarh; convert the metre-gauge rail links in the north into broad gauge and connect it with existing broad-gauge rail link at Dibrugarh, creating a loop running across Upper and Lower Assam.

Though approved in 1996, construction of the bridge was initiated by the first BJP-led NDA government in 2002.

The Congress-led UPA government, which ruled for a decade since 2004, appreciated the importance of the bridge and declared it as a national project in 2007.

But implementation was slow, despite a Congress government in the State.

In July 2014, when this correspondent visited the project, 15 out of the 42 piers were coming up while work had barely begun on the rest.

The project cost had spiralled to ₹6,000 crore from ₹1,767 crore in 2002.

The scene has now changed dramatically.

The construction of the piers is complete. The superstructure is 70 per cent done, with 29 out of 39 steel spans, each 125-m long and weighing half a coal-laden cargo train, already resting on the piers.

The rest of the spans of the double-decker bridge will be in place by July.

Road building, on the upper deck, is apace at the Silapathar end. Laying of railway tracks will begin soon. Hindustan Construction Company (HCC) is confident of completing the bridge by March 2018.


Bogibeel is the most important, though not the only, proof of infrastructure push in the region.

The 9.15-km Dhola-Sadiya bridge at the confluence of the Lohit and the Brahmaputra further up at Tinsukia in Assam is also nearing completion.

Conceived in 2011, it was scheduled for completion in 2015.

Latest reports suggest the bridge, along with approach roads, will open early next year, offering easy connectivity to western Arunachal.

The Patkai range of hills running through Tinsukia and Dibrugarh are now hideouts of Naga and Assamese militants.

But the bridge, coupled with Stilwell Road that connects Tinsukia to China through Myanmar, will throw open more logistics options for the Army operations.

The Centre recently completed a second bridge at Saraighat and announced plans to build at least two more bridges over the Brahmaputra in Upper Assam between Bogibeel and Kolia-Bhomora.

The government has announced a ₹60,000-crore accelerated road building plan for the North-East, including widening of the national highways.


My take: Congress approved the project and declared it a national project. But nothing moved on the ground despite them being in power at both centre and state.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 20:14

Sorry for the large pic.

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I don't understand IR train designations anymore. Too many...too complex. We have

1. Regular Rajdhani Express
2. Regular Shatabdi Express
3. Jan Shatabdi Express
4. Duranto Express
5. Uday Trains (Double decker)
6. Tejas Coaches
7. Humsafar Coaches (?)

I wish they eliminate some of the above and standardize rakes.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby sohamn » 18 Feb 2017 03:27

I believe the pic confuses between Tejas and Antyodaya express. Antyodaya is similar to passenger trains in IR.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby soumik » 19 Feb 2017 17:16

The Railway ministry begins the work of geotechnical survey for the 21 km long undersea tunnel on the Mumbai Ahmedabad bullet line.



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/railways/ride-under-the-sea-drilling-the-7-km-route-of-undersea-bullet-train-project-at-full-swing/articleshow/57232725.cms


Mega Station to come up in New Delhi , being modelled on South Korean Stations with a 10,000Cr Budgeted cost

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/railways/south-korea-likely-to-develop-new-delhi-station-as-world-class/articleshow/57232206.cms

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 20 Feb 2017 21:50

Gauge Conversion, on the historic Punalur-Sengottai route over the Western Ghats is nearing completion after 8 years.
This route was started by the Travancore Maharaja in 1903 from Kollam/Quilon to Shencottah/Sengottai as a Metre Gauge track. Tracks were dismantled in 2009 for GC, but nothing else happened. The famous Quilon mail from Chennai Egmore ran on these tracks. CRS inspection has taken place last two days from Punalur to Edaman in Kerala and Sengottai to New Aranyakavu partly in Tamil Nadu. Now 20kms remain to link up New Aranyakavu with Edaman. A new tunnel and a new viaduct are almost complete. The old MG tunnels had a conch symbol on the tunnel mouths. This was the symbol of the erstwhile Travancore kingdom. You can see that this symbol has been removed in the GConverted tunnels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W8ou2d ... e=youtu.be

The old 13 arch viaduct has been jacketed to give it additional strength after gauge conversion.
Video is in Tamil, but since I speak, Tulu, Kannada, Kanpuriya Hindi( this one like a villager Dehati from Kanpur Dehaat), Tamil and Bengali no problem for me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollam%E2 ... ranch_line

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Nick_S » 01 Mar 2017 11:04

Hyperloop One's Vision for India - Full Event Recording


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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 02 Mar 2017 17:49

Extremely innovative, juggad, tailored to Indian condition step by railways to reduce vehicle emissions in New Delhi.

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/to ... 430091.cms

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JTull » 02 Mar 2017 21:17

Rishi Verma wrote:Extremely innovative, juggad, tailored to Indian condition step by railways to reduce vehicle emissions in New Delhi.

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/to ... 430091.cms


More sustainable solution than the odd-even thingy

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby hanumadu » 02 Mar 2017 21:43

Right now those trucks are not allowed to ply through the city during the day time. Will save time and money till the new by pass road comes along.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby kapilrdave » 02 Mar 2017 23:05

Per the article 66000 trucks pass through NCR daily. If we consider 100 trucks per ferry, and considering roughly equal flow of trucks to and from, railway still needs to do 330 ferry on a daily basis. Possible?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby disha » 03 Mar 2017 02:41

kapilrdave wrote:Per the article 66000 trucks pass through NCR daily. If we consider 100 trucks per ferry, and considering roughly equal flow of trucks to and from, railway still needs to do 330 ferry on a daily basis. Possible?


Only 20000 per day. Of the 66k trucks heading into Delhi., 20k go to delhi for onward journey and their destination is not delhi. By taking them off the roads, it reduces congestion and pollution.

Once a dedicated freight corridor comes through, one can put 30 trucks on a single train and a train every 5 minutes (their average speed can be 40 kph) will still allow 7200 trucks to bypass!

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 03 Mar 2017 15:51

Its better railway offer the konkan railway type truck hauler service betweek long haul points esp leaf nodes like itanagar or imphal or itanagar. A ip tunnel over ip or ip over mpls.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby svenkat » 04 Mar 2017 15:31

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2/Dedicated 5th and 6th line between Moore market complex and Basin bridge.Will pave way for seamless connectivity, reduction in time
6/Dedicated new gauge converted BG line between Sengottai and New Aryankavu #RailInfra

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Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Peregrine » 04 Mar 2017 20:55

X Posted on the STFUP Thread.

If Pakistan does not agree to India-Afghanistan Trade and Transit then how will it allow India Access to Iran and Turkey?

Does the Indian Government not remember the wholesale Looting and Destruction of US-NATO Containers transported from Karachi to Afghanistan?

India takes lead to run freight train from Dhaka to Istanbul

Codenamed the ITI-DKD-Y corridor, the container train’s route is scheduled as Dhaka-Kolkata-Delhi-Islamabad-Tehran-Istanbul.

Taking a leaf from China’s run to Europe, India is going to showcase its might in freight movement by running a trans-continental container train full of goods from Dhaka to Istanbul, covering a 6,000-km journey across five countries — Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Iran and Turkey.

Codenamed the ITI-DKD-Y corridor, the container train’s route is scheduled as Dhaka-Kolkata-Delhi-Islamabad-Tehran-Istanbul. Eventually, Yangon will also be connected to Dhaka. The missing Tamu-Kalay link in Myanmar is still to be built.

Indian Railways has called South Asian railway heads involved in the project to work out the nitty-gritty at a high-level meeting on March 15-16. Pakistan railway chief Javed Anwar is also being invited. There is one issue with Pakistan that needs to be fixed. While Pakistan allows freight trains and passenger trains from Delhi to Lahore via Attari, it has historically cited security reasons to not allow movement of containers on this route. For the demonstration, Indian officials said, it will not be a problem as it is a one-off run.

What energized the project is that a long missing link of 150 km in Zahedan, in the Baluchestan province of Iran, has now been established, connecting the country to the Pakistan Railway network on the border. So the Trans-Asian Railway Southern Corridor, as it is formally named, under the aegis of the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific (UNESCAP), is good to go all the way to Turkey after certain operational exchange of notes and coordination between the nations concerned, which India is anchoring this month.

“The demonstration run will happen very soon in 2017 and we will sort out all the issues with the countries concerned. It’s a great leap for South Asian regional connectivity in the rail sector. This will also demonstrate to the world that there can be a real, commercial trans-Asian container corridor of this magnitude in the rail sector,” Mohammad Jamshed, Railway Board Member (Traffic), told The Indian Express.

Currently, goods take a long, roundabout route from Ludhiana to Lahore which otherwise are just a few hours apart by rail. The March 15-16 meeting is aimed at discussing some common technical and operational parameters between the railway systems of the countries involved.

So far, in communications between the railway systems, all countries have on paper endorsed the project and have said that the demonstration is technically feasible.

India, on its part, had already sent a high-level team of officers from the Railway ministry and Container Corporation of India late last year to Dhaka on a reconnaissance of the proposed route. It was found that the rail bridge over the Padma river cannot carry the load of heavy freight trains and allows only passenger operations. So it was agreed to keep the demonstration train relatively light, filling it preferably with a cargo of cotton garments.

Past the Dhaka border, there is the inland container depot in India which will service the rail cargo train on its way to Kolkata. From Kolkata to Delhi and then to Attari and Lahore will be smooth sail, officials said.

In January this year, China sent a container train from East ‘China’s Yiwu all the way to London via Germany, covering a distance of 12,000 km and demonstrating that it can be cheaper, even faster mode of freight movement between the Asian giant and countries in Western Europe and all in between.

“In the recent past, countries across the world have realised the potential of carrying out trade through land routes which existed in ancient eras and much is being done to revive the same, the policy document on the project says. The project can provide a new lifeline for trade in South and South West Asia.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 05 Mar 2017 21:14

^^^^Old Aranyakavu station on Sengottai-Punalur GC line will now be a halt station, but New Aranyakavu is a crossing station. New Aranyakavu station is not completely ready, approach road to the station not done etc. tiles on platform not fixed so it was rather premature to declare it open, need to complete all this before onset of SW monsoon when things will turn into slush and a mess. Ditto for all gauge conversion works between Edamon and New Aranyakavu 23 km as work will have to be halted during monsoons.
The stretch Bhagwathipuram-Aranyakavu-Edamon-Punalur is at the top of the Western Ghats and so gets tons of rain. Tenders were out to test viaducts between Edamon-New Aranyakavu for stress loading as the old viaducts were jacketed for GC and there are numerous tunnels in this 23km section including one new viaduct and one new tunnel. Regarding 5,6th lines at Moore market, the other related news is that Railways has decided to open a 4th terminal at Tondiarpet for the Chennai area. So Central, Egmore and Tambaram and now Tondiarpet. The idea of having a 4th terminal at Royapuram fell through as LA problems arose including taking land from Stanley Medical College.

When the British landed at Ft. St. George, they found a man selling buttermilk where the Moore market is, and they asked him the name of the place and he said Moore, so the British gave the name Moore market.
Don't for once think one Moore an angrez, built that market. Likewise Tondiarpet, a Britisher pointed at a man and said what is the name of the place, man thought he was being asked the name of his paunch so he said Thondhi and so Tondiarpet. All this story of a Muslim saint Mastan sahib from Thondhi in Rameswaram district coming to Tondiarpet is wrong history. :rotfl: The other famous Mastan sahib is the famous weaver devotee of Ramana Bhagawan, whose samadhi lies near Desur, near Poondi, (of Poondi swami fame)

http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.com ... astan.html

Other related works:

1. Tipu Armoury will be on the move March 8th-13th. Armoury was lifted by 2 feet and rails placed underneath. Things are going well. It will be moved 350 feet and then wheels adjusted and then moved right for 100 feet to its new resting place. By end of April the 1.5km tracks of doubling at Srirangapatna should be ready and so completing Bangalore-Mysore doubling and electrification.

2. Chennai-Trichy doubling and electrification should be done by mid April. Valadi-Srirangam-Golden Rock/Ponmalai is the section that needs to be completed. Rumor has it that it is almost done and CRS will be called by mid April for a dekho.
Beyond: Trichy-Dindigul LA problems are hampering doubling in a few block sections, but fresh impetus will hopefully see the issues resolved. Hopefully then Chennai-Madurai is double lined and electrified.

3. Bina-Bhopal third line only a 5 km section between Vidisha- Betwa Cabin there is some minor work going on, and hopefully in 2 months the entire 130km section third line will be done. Work has also started on third line between Jhansi and Bina third line. Good to decongest this busy route in Central India that carries Delhi-Chennai and Delhi-Mumbai traffic. Train speeds have significantly increased and delays are minimized.
Jhansi-Bina third line is a Modi project and so is Mathura-Agra Cantt-Jhansi third line all cleared by CCEA last year.

4. Bangalore needs another terminal Yeshwanthpur, city and Bypannahalli(which is not yet a full fledged terminal) and smooth integration with Metro and airport. But here SWR and KA govt. are both lazy.

5. A list by each zone is out with the money returned by each zone for non-utilization of funds. Very revealing list and one can see the bad boys, Northern Railway, Central Railway, SWR etc all figure, the zonal heads should be pulled up. Sizeable chunks of money returned as % of money given.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arshyam » 05 Mar 2017 21:58

Welcome back saar, missed your detailed posts. I had a q. for you on the MRT thread about namma metro.
vsunder wrote:The stretch Bhagwathipuram-Aranyakavu-Edamon-Punalur is at the top of the Western Ghats and so gets tons of rain. Tenders were out to test viaducts between Edamon-New Aranyakavu for stress loading as the old viaducts were jacketed for GC and there are numerous tunnels in this 23km section including one new viaduct and one new tunnel.
This looks like another 2 years given the tight curves and bridges, which are in MG alignment. I would expect most of them to be rebuilt to support BG, as in Old/New Arayankavu. Any idea what the targeted date of completion is?

vsunder wrote:Regarding 5,6th lines at Moore market, the other related news is that Railways has decided to open a 4th terminal at Tondiarpet for the Chennai area. So Central, Egmore and Tambaram and now Tondiarpet. The idea of having a 4th terminal at Royapuram felll through as LA problems arose including taking land from Stanley Medical College.
RPM frankly was a non-starter given the loco shed that came up only recently. Otherwise, that land could have been utilized. TNP is not too bad either, only issue is the lack of metro connectivity (RPM had metro at Washermanpet, which could have been connected, given 24 coach platforms of the terminal). TNP will also require more work in approach roads, since one side of it is the huge marshalling yard + IOC area. Plus they'll need to add more tracks toward BBQ for loco lines and use the existing trip shed instead of building a new one. The current rail overbridge has space only for two tracks below and will need to be rebuilt. I still think the salt cotaurs area would have been a better bet, given most of the existing Central infra could have been upgraded and re-used. Anyway, let's see.

vsunder wrote:When the British landed at Ft. St. George, they found a man selling buttermilk where the Moore market is, and they asked him the name of the place and he said Moore, so the British gave the name Moore market.
Don't for once think one Moore an angrez, built that market. Likewise Tondiarpet, a Britisher pointed at a man and said what is the name of the place, man thought he was being asked the name of his paunch so he said Thondhi and so Tondiarpet. All this story of a Muslim saint Mastan sahib from Thondhi in Rameswaram district coming to Tondiarpet is wrong history. :rotfl: The other famous Mastan sahib is the famous weaver devotee of Ramana Bhagawan, whose samadhi lies near Poondi, (of Poondi swami fame)
Never knew that - 'thondhi'-yar-pet :lol:. But why was MMC called "moore market" and not "more market" as that would have been more apt for buttermilk ("moru")?

vsunder wrote:3. Bina-Bhopal third line only a 5 km section between Vidisha- Betwa Cabin there is some minor work going on, and hopefully in 2 months the entire 130km section third line will be done. Work has also started on third line between Jhansi and Bina third line. Good to decongest this busy route in Central India that carries Delhi-Chennai and Delhi-Mumbai traffic. Train speeds have significantly increased and delays are minimized.
Jhansi-Bina third line is a Modi project and so is Mathura-Agra Cantt-Jhansi third line all cleared by CCEA last year.
This is some seriously fast progress. Well done, IR. The number of freights on this route is seen to be believed. I recall seeing a TN express video on YT which overtook ~24 trains in its day time run between Bina and Ballarshah. Most of it was goods. Of course, that could just be TN being TN :mrgreen:

Another bottleneck is NGP-Sewagram, which carries both Delhi-Chennai and Howrah-Mumbai traffic. Needs to be quadrupled, but only tripling was sanctioned IIRC. Any idea if at least that was done?

vsunder wrote:4. Bangalore needs another terminal Yeshwanthpur, city and Bypannahalli(which is not yet a full fledged terminal) and smooth integration with Metro and airport. But here SWR and KA govt. are both lazy.
BYPL has no space for expansion, now that the metro has come up with its station and the depot. Till then, it had the potential, but now looks difficult. Same with Banaswadi - the 3rd PF is not even a full length one, not sure what can be done there. Perhaps move that satellite goods terminal from BYPL and use that space for a proper terminal. Or Hebbal station - it has space around that could be acquired, and run south bound trains from there. Good location too. Then there was some talk on YNK, not sure what happened about that.

SWR missed a serious opportunity when building up YPR - they have inefficiently left a lot of space outside the PF 5 entrance. Instead, they could have accommodated 4-5 more platforms here, and moved the exit a bit more north near the parcel office. That would have given a deeper inset from Tumkur road for parking, etc. and still not compromised on the station's capacity. It would have required some LA, but BLR would have got a proper full fledged Egmore like terminal with 10 platforms. The current one is neither here nor there.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 05 Mar 2017 22:20

GC on New Aranyakavu-Edamon is at a very advanced stage. All the old viaducts are jacketed, the new viaduct was to remove a tight curve and some parts are on a new alignment. Old MG can be used for hiking/trekking in the ghats. All expect work to end certainly by year end with end to end connectivity. The only downer is the speeds that CRS approved. Sengottai-Bagvathipuram 80kmph, but Bhagvathipuram-New Aranyakavu 30kmph. Could be this will be increased eventually after track settles. People have posted videos of a ride on the CRS inspection train between Sengottai-New Aranyakavu. Here is a video of TN express ripping and crossing other trains on third line on Bina-Bhopal:( from a few days ago) one section is Sumer-Sorai immediate block section to Vidisha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zinEhNtA5gc

3 arch bridge between New Aranyakavu and Edamon
http://s410.photobucket.com/user/ambatt ... j.jpg.html

13 arch bridge New Aranyakavu-Edamon
http://s410.photobucket.com/user/ambatt ... v.jpg.html

Regarding Namma Metro Rail, unless BMRC issues a tender for laddus and catering for inauguration ceremony, do NOT believe anything. No such tender has been issued. Underground tunnel portion etc will open at this rate by mid 2018 if all goes well. What is making the rounds is that Metro railways are a jinx in India. Whichever govt. builds them or opens them demits office.

Namma Metro---Yediyurappa, now Siddharamaiah is scared to open completed Phase 1.

Jaipur Metro---Gehlot lost office

Mumbai Metro ----. Fadnavis came to Pawar

Lucknow Metro----> Akki Yadav may go

Chennai Metro-----> Amma, who knows worse.

Delhi Metro------ need I say who came to power

And you people say Dilbu ka jinx bahut tagada hai :lol:

But I say Kochi Metro being in godless country( God's own country yeh kya cheez hai, do even CPI people say this phrase, religion is the opiate of the masses and all) will be the counterexample.

NGP-Sewagram, even 4th line is approved, but no real work even on 3rd line. Some desultory earthworks here and there on videos, naam ka vaste. Wardha-Balharshah third line approved by Modi and also Balharshah-Kazipet third line, here Godavari bridge at Manchiryal is coming up fast, at the stage of putting spans, 9-10 spans placed as on Google Earth. Pillars are all done. Gondia-Jabalpur is moving fast, hopefully by mid next year GC will be done and provide an alternate route to trains to bypass Itarsi, example trains for S. india to Bihar and Jharkhand, and Eastern UP, Varanasi etc.

DFCC I think more show, I don't believe a word that they will complete by 2020. All gas, too much razmatazz and less work. Their newsletters always have very tiny sections on work completed and more on Hindi prashikshan diwas at headquarters and Swacch Bharat at headquarters so on or visit of this fellow from World Bank and that goon from Sweden. On Vaitarna-Sachin section they are still doing geotechnical surveys and hydrological surveys on major bridges and saying DFCC will be complete by 2020. All gas!
They just finished tendering WDFC 100% and Eastern DFCC leave alone Dankuni-Son Nagar the parts under construction, tendering is not complete. Even Khurja-Bhaupur (Delhi-Kanpur)LA problems are there 190 hectares and this is the most advanced section after Mughalsarai-Son Nagar 118 km.

Do not know progress on Bhopal-Itarsi third line work supposedly started late 2015. This will be a major engineering feat(tunnels/viaducts etc etc), as we have the famous Bulb Ghat/ Curve at Bhadbhada (Vindhyas) and the bridge over Narmada. Narmada bridge seems 3 pillars foundation is not sunk as can be seen on Google earth, remaining pillars have come up to a certain height.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby ManuJ » 06 Mar 2017 03:38

A very informative 4-part documentary on CST and Mumbai railway network is now available on Netflix.
Called 'Mumbai Railway', it goes behind the scenes to the control rooms, maintenance yards, centralized railway linen laundry and kitchen, engine driver simulators (didn't know we had them!), CST interiors, etc.
Also has several 'side-bars' like Darjeeling toy train, archaic signaling systems including a silver-ball token system(!).
The last episode shows the new Metro line and talks about plans to increase the suburban network capacity.
Must see for all IR aficionados.

There is another good documentary on Netflix called India's Frontier Trains.
Has episodes on the Maitree and the Samjhauta expresses, and one on the now derelict Nepal narrow-gauge line.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 06 Mar 2017 03:44

Here is the document, see pg. 2 for funds returned by various zones. Pg. 10 is the schedule for CRS inspections for various electrification projects. For example March 2017 is listed for Chervattur-Mangalore CRS inspection of OHE prior to commissioning. With this end to end Mangalore to Shoranur is doubled and electrified. Though sub-stations at Tirur, Uppala( between Mangalore-Kasragod) are not ready and also one at Jokatte, Mangalore-Panambur Harbor(harbor for Mangalore). So there may be problem for supplying enough juice for heavy freight and passenger trains. Maybe trains proceeding towards Hassan-Bangalore or on to Konkan railway they can run diesels under wires, what to do onlee, in Kerala, LA held up Tirur substation for years. Also SR has asked Railway Board for additional 10 e-locos to run trains between Mangalore and Shoranur. So effective utilization of RE is some ways off.

http://elocos.railnet.gov.in/Agenda_27& ... s_meet.pdf

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sachin » 06 Mar 2017 10:32

vsunder wrote:But I say Kochi Metro being in godless country( God's own country yeh kya cheez hai, do even CPI people say this phrase, religion is the opiate of the masses and all) will be the counterexample.

Even in the socialist heaven the jinx worked. The previous CM Oomen Chandy inaugurated the Kochi metro (even before it was fully completed), and Congress lost big time in the state elections.

ManuJ wrote:Also has several 'side-bars' like Darjeeling toy train, archaic signaling systems including a silver-ball token system(!).

That is known as the Nealle's Ball Token system. Was used in many single line tracks, but now pretty much non-existant on the main line. Now they have another system - Single Line Tokenless block system; but not too sure on how they work. Similar token system is used in the Nilgiri Mountain Railways as well.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Avik » 06 Mar 2017 12:05

vsunder, arshyam- Thank you for your insights on IR developments. I have a question though- what is the status of the Mhow-Sanawad gauge conversion? Is it stuck because of the Narmada bridge and the ghat section after Mhow? I ask because once this section is converted, this would become another N-S connector line

As a separate comment, N-S connectivity in the country appears to be moving apace with Konkan Rail doubling, Doubling of Bengaluru-Miraj route, doubling of Daund-Renigunta section, alongwith existing double lines on Howrah-Vijayawada and Nagpur-Vijayawada sections.

I think once all these route doublings come through N-S connectivity might obviate the need for a DFC in the W-S route

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 06 Mar 2017 21:12

^^^ Indeed Akola-Khandwa-Mhow gauge conversion will open a shorter path between various cities in S. India and Jaipur-Delhi. It was the Metre gauge link between the Northern and Southern metre gauge networks in India and Meenakshi express between Jaipur and Secunderabad ran on it. It is a substantial saving in distance and time between Bangalore and Delhi if trains run on it between these two cities in say 5-6 years. The gauge conversion was sanctioned in 2008, and a sum of 1421 crores assessed for completion of works but only 40 crores given a token sum. However serious work started only after Modi came to power. I will list them down.

1. Mhow-Khandwa 118 km is the major challenge. All these curves, spirals etc have to be straightened out in BG and involves tunnels through the Vindhyas and new alignment in parts. Thus the project has been divided into 2 parts.

2. The first part is Khandwa-Sanawad of 54km. NTPC has handed over 400 crores to the Railways for this
conversion as NTPC is setting up a super thermal plant at Sanawad. Work started on this 54km section last October,
but on Jan 1, 2017 a mega block was instituted and the last MG train left Khandwa for Mhow for good. Usual stuff, loco pilot, guard garlanded, train stopped at various places and people did mangal arati etc. Now there is a truncated service, Mhow to Sanawad of the MG line. Once a mega block is instituted on this 64 km section, that will end and the last MG train will chug off into the sunset.

3. The second part is Sanawad-Mhow of 64km. This will involve the curve straightening, tunnels and bridge over the Narmada at Omkareshwar Rd( station for the pilgrim town and jyotirlinga at Omkareshwar). The engineering for this is more involved.

4. Akola-Khandwa the new line is to go over a new alignment that runs through the Melghat Tiger preserve and I am not sure what is the status there about environmental clearance. In addition in this section there is the Hindi figure 4 section. Tracks cut itself by one set of tracks going over the other in a deep viaduct. This happens at Dhulghat. See documentary below.

The Narmada bridge I mentioned in my previous post, is the third railway bridge over the Narmada at Hoshangabad and not the one at Omkareshwar which is a GC project. Since we were on the subject of Punalur-Sengottai gauge conversion and now this Mhow-Khandwa, both lines have a similar pedigree. Indore-Mhow-Khandwa was built by the Holkar raja for connectivity to Mumbai from his state. There were serious engineering challenges of laying a line through the Vindhyas and MG was selected for obvious reasons. Similarly the Kollam-Sengottai line was built by the Travancore Raja through the western ghats and there difficult engineering challenges were encountered in 1903 thereabouts and again MG was used to make it a little easier to meet the challenges.

Indore-Mhow is already gauge converted and operational since last year, it did not meet the Simhasta deadline I think. Indore-Tihi new line has also been laid into tribal areas of Western MP towards Dhar and CRS inspection done two weeks ago. So the focus is very much on Mhow-Khandwa and Khandwa-Sanawad is a priority for coal rakes to supply the power plant at Sanawad so the Railway is on that part first. I think Modi is very eager for this project as he had asked the former Chief secretary MP, Shri Anthony J.C. De Sa for a powerpoint presentation on LA problems and issues with this project, early last year. For those of you who do not know what I am talking about, perhaps this nice documentary Train to Patalpani( Train to the waters of Hell) which is the Ghat section near Mhow between Mhow and Khandwa will probably be useful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt-VqYX3rSM

One general tip I have is to read the so-called "vernacular" newspapers. For example the Hindi papers of the region will be choc-a-bloc with information periodically. The beat reporter will do the dirty work and tell you the latest. This is true in Hindi, Tamil, Malayalam or Kannada. The English papers have reporters who will never stray into regions were creature comforts are not there, there is the slush of the construction site and you are far from the fleshpots of Delhi or Mumbai and no gin and tonic after a "hard days reporting". The vernacular chap is happy if he gets a cuppa and some pakoras. So the english papers are usually about IR news that involves, only food, and defecation systems on Indian trains, spectacular derailments and the usual internecine battles about HSR which periodically erupts on this thread, how very boring.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Avik » 06 Mar 2017 22:47

Vsunder- Thank you sir for your response. Also, big thank you for the excellent link regarding electric locos. The eloco site is a treasure trove of information

Is there a similar site for IR diesel locos as well?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 08 Mar 2017 07:58

One other small historical note. The village of Sanawad that I mentioned on the Khandwa-Mhow metre gauge line, that will soon be the terminus of the gauge converted Broad gauge line from Khandwa, has a small but important historical feature that briefly arose in the national consciousness recently, twitter battles were fought and now has relapsed into history and perhaps in a short while will be erased from memory and reclaimed by a watery grave. 10 kms from this very same Sanawad, lies a village, Raverkhedi on the Narmada. It is here that Baji Rao 1, of Mastani fame( or should I say Mastani of Baji Rao 1 fame) died on April 26, 1740 after a brief bout with some unknown fever while visiting his jagirs. He was cremated there and his ashes preserved in a chattri of handsome disposition, simple and austere but elegant. The cost for constructing this chattri was borne by the Scindia raja in homage to the might of this Peshwa. Nobody comes here, too far and too remote perhaps, the shining entrepots of Mumbai and Delhi beckon. Soon the Maheshwar dam will be built to its full height and the waters that are already lapping the chattri will take the memory of this gallant Peshwa to a watery grave. The UPA government and the current dispensation has done nothing to even try to build a simple retaining wall to arrest the rising waters. There was enough time to plan for this eventuality, but sadly either due to lack of funds, callousness or ignorance nothing happened. A nation that forgets its history is doomed to repeat it.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 09 Mar 2017 06:22

Drone View of shifting of Tipu's Armoury at Srirangapatna to facilitate Mysore-Bangalore doubling and electrification.
It currently obstructs approach to the bridge over the Kaveri. Today the armoury was moved 98metres. Now it will be moved at right angles by another 40 metres.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5xeLi7 ... e=youtu.be

You can see the hydraulically operated pistons in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDlup0sJ_I0

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby hnair » 13 Mar 2017 11:43

vsunder wrote:DFCC I think more show, I don't believe a word that they will complete by 2020. All gas, too much razmatazz and less work. Their newsletters always have very tiny sections on work completed and more on Hindi prashikshan diwas at headquarters and Swacch Bharat at headquarters so on or visit of this fellow from World Bank and that goon from Sweden.


:( the bane of all Central Govt office newsletters

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vina » 13 Mar 2017 12:23

vsunder wrote: Video is in Tamil, but since I speak, Tulu, Kannada, Kanpuriya Hindi( this one like a villager Dehati from Kanpur Dehaat), Tamil and Bengali no problem for me.


:shock: WOW! I am surprised. My kids for instance wont be able to make out a word of the Tamil ("formal" / "officalese") spoken in that news reel. If you can, maybe you may have lived/schooled in TN at some point in your life. We try speaking Tamil with them at home, but they can barely make conversation with a native speaker and tend to speak Kannada at the rest stops when we cross into TN by road , kids are smart, when see a south indian face that they see doesnt speak English, they default to Kannada.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vina » 13 Mar 2017 12:51

vsunder wrote:. Here is a video of TN express ripping and crossing other trains on third line on Bina-Bhopal:( from a few days ago) one section is Sumer-Sorai immediate block section to Vidisha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zinEhNtA5gc

WOW! This reminds me so much of NYC Metro , 1 & 9 lines which I used to frequent and use on a daily basis when I used to live in the Upper West Side. You take the "correct" express trains, it runs in the 3rd track in the middle and passes the "passenger" trains that stop at all stations. You shave off a good 10 to 15 min ride from downtown to Columbus Circle!


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