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Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 14 Apr 2017 08:29

Alstom, Bombardier tap India as urban railway export center

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 013_1.html

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2017 12:30

My sister met a lady staffer in railway ministry riding metro ...was proudly saying the work culture continued to be lax even after 2014 and there were days she just slept at her desk and did not touch her pen. But lately she said some staff had been punished and many made to work until 6.30pm

The food even in rajdhani continues to be variable as does station cleanliness...

Its hard work cleaning the huge stables
.largest employer largest service delivery footprint...unlike power ministry or roads which contract things but dont have much of a low level customer facing presence

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby manjgu » 15 Apr 2017 12:52

another train derails near Rampur U.P

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby A Nandy » 15 Apr 2017 18:31

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... s-4614139/

Eight coaches of the Rajya Rani express train, travelling from Meerut to Lucknow in Uttar Pradesh, derailed near Kosi bridge in Rampur on Saturday. At least two people were injured in the accident and there are no reports of any casualties. Railways Minister Suresh Prabhu ordered an inquiry into the incident and said that strict action will be taken against any lapses.


Meanwhile, here are the helpline numbers: Meerut (0121-2401215), New Delhi (011-23341074, 23342954), Old Delhi (011-23962389, 23967332), Nizamuddin (011-24359748), Moradabad (1072), Bareilly (0581- 2558161, 2558162), Lucknow (09794830975, 05222-37677).


movement on Mundhapande-Rampur line was also restored in few hours.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 15 Apr 2017 20:30

It is all happening in UP. Something is fishy. If it is fault of IR the entire UP division needs to be sacked.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 15 Apr 2017 20:40

Well, it is no secret that Lko NR and NCR overall are among the worst divisions/zone in India. Allahabad division of NCR regularly tops the worst rankings. Just the other day, Lucknow Shatabdi ran over what was later found to be cracked rail line.

In just 3 years, NR has seen following major accidents -

Lucknow New Delhi Rajdhani derailed near Garhmukteshwar, Faizabad Delhi express nearby, Varanasi Dehradun Express.

Minor ones i don't remember.

Only NER has given a satisfactory performance.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Dipanker » 15 Apr 2017 21:20

Sicanta wrote:Well, it is no secret that Lko NR and NCR overall are among the worst divisions/zone in India. Allahabad division of NCR regularly tops the worst rankings. Just the other day, Lucknow Shatabdi ran over what was later found to be cracked rail line.

In just 3 years, NR has seen following major accidents -

Lucknow New Delhi Rajdhani derailed near Garhmukteshwar, Faizabad Delhi express nearby, Varanasi Dehradun Express.

Minor ones i don't remember.

Only NER has given a satisfactory performance.


Cracked rails have been the common theme of many of the derailments/accidents lately. Poor inspection/maintainance ?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 15 Apr 2017 21:41

Yes, very poor maintenance plus manifold increase in the number of trains - passenger and freight passing through. LKO - MB is an alternate route for delhi (Via Kanpur) traffic plus main route for jammu-asr traffic. Max speed is 100 km/hr with numerous tsr/psr enroute. Coaches shake like anything at max permissible speed.

And Allahabad is rightly known as the Bermuda Triangle of IR.

I wouldn't blame Prabhu for the cracking infrastructure which is a result of decades of negligence. But then there has been no marked improvement in overall services either.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 15 Apr 2017 22:46

Just 3 days back, Patna Rajdhani was robbed. One would certainly expect the rpf escort to stop these robberies in premier trains atleast.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 16 Apr 2017 00:49

I don't remember so many accidents happening in a short time in the past in UP. Something is not right.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JTull » 18 Apr 2017 14:26

Sicanta wrote:Just 3 days back, Patna Rajdhani was robbed. One would certainly expect the rpf escort to stop these robberies in premier trains atleast.


Previous incumbents have gone back to the ancestral occupation.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Gagan » 18 Apr 2017 18:44

They need to triple or quadruple line the stretch from Mugalsarai to Delhi to Ambala
This stretch has really really heavy traffic including several heavy goods trains.

The hope is that DFC will take the big goods traffic away from the main lines, increasing the speed and decreasing wear and tear.

In the meantime, the division has to double up on replacing tracks.

Is it possible to reheat the used railway tracks and relieve the stresses and repair the cracks

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 18 Apr 2017 21:24

mughalsarai is where lot of the jharkhand coal goes for distribution to thermal plants and industries nationwide.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 18 Apr 2017 21:25

Sicanta wrote:Just 3 days back, Patna Rajdhani was robbed. One would certainly expect the rpf escort to stop these robberies in premier trains atleast.


it was done by using a coin to short out some signal beside the track and make it red. then robbers boarded and looted via the fabric covered vestibule area.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby chetak » 18 Apr 2017 21:48

Singha wrote:
Sicanta wrote:Just 3 days back, Patna Rajdhani was robbed. One would certainly expect the rpf escort to stop these robberies in premier trains atleast.


it was done by using a coin to short out some signal beside the track and make it red. then robbers boarded and looted via the fabric covered vestibule area.


real professional types.

may be some techies moonlighting, no??

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 18 Apr 2017 22:25

Singha wrote:mughalsarai is where lot of the jharkhand coal goes for distribution to thermal plants and industries nationwide.


Problem is allahabad. There are 3 tracks coming from one side with very heavy traffic on kanpur (to delhi and west)and satna (to mumbai and south) line. And the layout is such that traffic on one line ceases if the other line is occupied. Frankly, only rajdhanis and 2-3 other premium trains can negotiate this stretch without being delayed by 2 hrs atleast.

Similar is the traffic going to mughalsarai or varanasi.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby A Nandy » 19 Apr 2017 10:37

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... ahmedabad/

Railway officer Achal Khare to lead bullet train project between Mumbai and Ahmedabad
Khare is currently Adviser (Infrastructure), heading the directorate that is responsible for the bullet train project, Public Private Partnership and FDI in the Railway ministry. He is from the Indian Railways Civil Engineering cadre.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 20 Apr 2017 00:46

Quadrupling is already happening near Delhi side (to Mathura-Agra) and Kolkata (Howrah) side.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 20 Apr 2017 12:30

two huge streams of humanity flow from easternUP-Bihar region to NCR and Mumbai and western UP is the bottleneck.
add to that considerable number of trains from bengal-odisha to NCR and jaipur/jammu side and all the trains from NE to NCR.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 20 Apr 2017 12:32

Chetak here
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/606 ... -used.html
The train robbers had used a two rupee coin to change the train signal from green to red, as a result of which New Delhi-Patna Rajdhani Express stopped at Gamhar on Bihar-UP border. As the train stopped, altogether four miscreants boarded the train after one of their accomplices, who was already in the premier train, opened the entrance door.

Explaining how the robbers ‘hacked’ the outer signal of Gamhar station, one of the railway source said, “The miscreants planned to rob Rajdhani passengers in between Mughalsarai (UP) and Buxar (Bihar) in the early hours of April 9. Four criminals waited near the outer signal of Gamhar (small junction) and placed a Rs 2 coin in the gap of two railway tracks before the train was to cross through. This, in turn, changed the signal from green to red.”

Dwelling at length about the ‘scientific method’ used in the crime, the source said, “There are circuits on the tracks close to signal which helps them change to red or green. Each track is of around 13 metres long. There is a small gap between the two metallic tracks. An insulator is used in the gap to break the circuit so that the signal turns green.”

The investigating cops were astonished when the criminals told them that they used a two rupee coin in the track gap ahead of the signal. The train’s metallic wheels acted as the conductor between the gap thereby completing the circuit. This, in turn, helped the signal turn red.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Austin » 20 Apr 2017 12:39

Singha wrote:Chetak here
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/606 ... -used.html
The train robbers had used a two rupee coin to change the train signal from green to red, as a result of which New Delhi-Patna Rajdhani Express stopped at Gamhar on Bihar-UP border. As the train stopped, altogether four miscreants boarded the train after one of their accomplices, who was already in the premier train, opened the entrance door.

Explaining how the robbers ‘hacked’ the outer signal of Gamhar station, one of the railway source said, “The miscreants planned to rob Rajdhani passengers in between Mughalsarai (UP) and Buxar (Bihar) in the early hours of April 9. Four criminals waited near the outer signal of Gamhar (small junction) and placed a Rs 2 coin in the gap of two railway tracks before the train was to cross through. This, in turn, changed the signal from green to red.”

Dwelling at length about the ‘scientific method’ used in the crime, the source said, “There are circuits on the tracks close to signal which helps them change to red or green. Each track is of around 13 metres long. There is a small gap between the two metallic tracks. An insulator is used in the gap to break the circuit so that the signal turns green.”

The investigating cops were astonished when the criminals told them that they used a two rupee coin in the track gap ahead of the signal. The train’s metallic wheels acted as the conductor between the gap thereby completing the circuit. This, in turn, helped the signal turn red.


Must be a qualified robber to know how train signal works and how Rs 2 coin can change the signal ..Better days are hear to stay !

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 20 Apr 2017 12:44

friends with railway employees for sure.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 20 Apr 2017 12:45

^^ That's Oceans 4 level.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 20 Apr 2017 12:46

in my era the GHY-DEL rajdhani used to alternately use a northern and southern route in UP. I guess one of them was bypassing prayag

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Austin » 20 Apr 2017 13:21

Russian Railways to sign Nagpur-Secunderabad line modernisation contract
3 April 2017 Aniket Chakraborty

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2017/04/03 ... act_733611
JSC Russian Railways will soon sign a contract with India’s Railway Ministry to modernise the Nagpur-Secunderabad line, Alexander Misharin, first Vice-President of Russian Railways, told TASS on March 31.

Trains on the 575-km line will run at a speed at 200 km per hour once the modernisation is complete, Misharin said, adding that the contract could be signed in a couple of weeks.

Russian specialists have conducted a preliminary survey of the route, and a working group for implementation of the project was created, Misharin added.

The protocol for the preparation of a feasibility study for modernisation of the Nagpur-Secunderabad railway line was signed on the sidelines of the 2016 Russia-India Summit in Goa.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Austin » 20 Apr 2017 13:22

Will they use new engine or exisiting rolling stock that IR uses can take that to 200 km/hr once they build the right track ?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 20 Apr 2017 15:01

EMU trainsets per twitter.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 20 Apr 2017 15:24

Supratik wrote:EMU trainsets per twitter.


Any info on which ones?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 20 Apr 2017 16:55

Nope. They are right now quite confused as to what to do given the various proposals. The last train set tender had to be cancelled as the order was too less. I see a lot of confusion regarding rolling stock.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 20 Apr 2017 17:05

I wish we replace all rajdhanis and durantos with something like Talgo or pendolinos. The companies will have enough incentive to even invest in Indian plants.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 20 Apr 2017 17:13

rajdhanis beneath the higher speed are basically same underlying tech as mid 90s. heavy, rugged .... no one knows how Talgo/HSR types with aerospace grade finish and tolerances will be durable and reliable in the kind of tracks we have and weather conditions. suppose the AC system packs up frequently in the heat or wear and tear of bogies is much more. a few short trials can never prove it. parts will be more expensive and a local making of consumables and replaceables will need to be done - IR will need to run with the mentality of a airline - top notch parts, top notch inspections / boroscopes, keeping to very strict schedules of repair and downtime .... just general hammering with a mallet and letting it go will not work. a HSR train is as delicate and high strung a beast as 737. this needs a quantum change in mindset and training of IR field staff and depot staff to make them on par with airline MRO technicians. all of this needs time, training, planning, money . just importing a few showpiece trainsets is not a "solution" . our tfta imported metro trains run well because they are built on tfta lines, have proper depots and their own independent staff on the technical side. and OEM would have properly trained them.

this is one area where the IAs patented summer, winter, monsoon , sea level and siachen trials are needed and once we prove a couple of vendors then order big and move enmasse with speed. this will make the OEM setup proper assembly, TOT, local parts and MRO in india. else it will be like the "hard rock saar" situation in blr metro where a TBM head breaks and people send for a spare to Italy which takes 9 months to our door :roll:

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 20 Apr 2017 17:28

Mumbai Ah'bad HSR line is elevated except for the small length under sea in Mumbai. So it will be TFTA only. For semi HSR, I think Talgo conducted enough trials, including all the way from Delhi to Mumbai and saw news that said we are planning to lease few Talgos as well.
We need bigger network and larger repository of semi-HSR. Or else we'll be left with high end shinkansens and low end existing trains. One more disadvantage of loco hauled trains is longer acceleration and breaking time, lower speeds in curves because tilting tech can't be used. Talgo completed Delhi Mumbai run 4 hours shorter than rajdhani. With improved tracks and signaling, am sure it could have reached faster.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 20 Apr 2017 18:30

Also we need enough orders to do TOT or Make in India if we want to step into next gen rail tech like the Chinese.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 20 Apr 2017 18:55

But can talgo carry enough number of passengers? A typical rajdhani with 18 coaches (plus 2 eog) can carry around 1100 paassengers.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 20 Apr 2017 20:17

A talgoish train will need a lot more coaches as their coaches are short.

Small penny pkt wont work. We need to decide on 2 vendors in jv with local partners for semi hsr and move big.

In parallel retire all old icf coaches and replace with rajdhani design coaches both ac and non ac which are lighter stronger and have big windows and better bathrooms

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 20 Apr 2017 20:27

Considering the life span of coaches, and the size of economy ours will be, we really need to do away with non-ac coaches across the board. It's a real punishment to travel in these heat ovens when temperatures in most part of India is above 40 for months.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Gagan » 20 Apr 2017 20:30

Singha ji
The various Metros in india do use uber maintenance and have very good maintenance facilities - the only exception is the Kolkata metro, which parallels pyongyang metro onlee.

These HSRs can be like the metro system - run by a separate entity, either completely private or a separate entity with a separate budget within the IR Fold.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 21 Apr 2017 00:30

non-AC is for rural folks and UP, BH,WB,OR, NE folks migrating. Plus purchasing power. ICF coaches are not going to be produced after 2017 - all LHB.
The transition to relatively modern railway will take at least 20 yrs i.e. 2035.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 21 Apr 2017 10:10

yes I think around 60000 ICF coaches will need to be replaced which will surely take 20 yrs.

I do think some ways and means should be found to make all trains AC .... for electric trains instead of running individual (diesel?) generators in each coach can some means be found to get the power from engine pantograph? and for diesel trains maybe a rajdhani type power car at one end to supply the ACs of each coach....even the basic general bodies can be made AC...atleast make half the coaches AC instead of the usual 3-4 and let people migrate up.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vipins » 21 Apr 2017 21:56

Humsafar_Express
Soon all AC trains will be covering all major routes.
Humsafar train is a fully Air Conditioned 3 AC service having facility GPS based Passenger Information System, Passenger announcement System, fire and smoke detection and suppression system, CCTVs, comfortable seats, mobile and laptop charging points, integrated Braille display, LCD display above compartment doors in the aisle, Fire retardant curtains, etc.

12595/12596 Gorakhpur - Anand Vihar Terminal (Via Basti)
12571/12572 Gorakhpur - Anand Vihar Terminal (Via Barhni)
12503/12504 Bangalore Cantonment–Kamakhya (Weekly)
14715/14716 Sri Ganganagar–Tiruchirappalli (Weekly)
19423/19424 Ahmedabad - Chennai Central (Weekly)
22317/22318 Sealdah - Jammu Tawi (Weekly)
22705/22706 Tirupati - Jammu Tawi (Weekly)
22833/22834 Bhubaneswar - Krishnarajapuram (Weekly)
22867/22868 Durg - Hazrat Nizamuddin (Bi-Weekly)
22887/22888 Howrah - Yesvantpur (Weekly)
22913/22914 Bandra T. - Patna (Weekly)
19429/19430 Ahmedabad - New Delhi (Tri-Weekly)


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