Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby A Nandy » 17 Dec 2017 22:11

Railways nod for Rs 12,000-cr upgrade of mishap-prevention system

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 107112.cms

NEW DELHI: The Indian Railways has cleared a Rs 12,000-crore proposal to equip electric locomotives with the latest European train protection system.

At its meeting on December 15, the Railway Board cleared the proposal to equip 6,000 electric locos with European Train Control System (ETCS) Level-II to help drivers - or pilots -- to prevent rail mishaps, a senior Railway Ministry official told IANS.

Currently, the Railways has a basic automatic train protection system based on the ETCS Level-I specification to provide a back-up to loco pilots on a limited stretch.


Apart from my pet peeve of why we didn't develop this system in India, I wonder how this will help if a train has been stopped midway and the train behind it does not know. We need rock solid real time train position information to go with this if its not there already.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 17 Dec 2017 22:20

A big project with ISRO has been initiated to locate every train movement on the network. Check SSC.

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Postby Vips » 17 Dec 2017 23:44

Railways nod for Rs 12,000-cr upgrade of mishap-prevention system.

The Indian Railways has cleared a Rs 12,000-crore proposal to equip electric locomotives with the latest European train protection system.

At its meeting on December 15, the Railway Board cleared the proposal to equip 6,000 electric locos with European Train Control System (ETCS) Level-II to help drivers - or pilots -- to prevent rail mishaps, a senior Railway Ministry official told IANS.

Besides, the Board also decided to install the ETCS Level-II system on the entire 9,054 km-long Golden Quadrilateral route connecting the four metros to make it a fully accident-free corridor.

The entire project to ensure ETCS Level-II compliance is expected to cost around Rs 12,000 crore.

There are cases where accidents occur due to error of locomotive pilots who generally have to work in very stressful conditions.

Currently, the Railways has a basic automatic train protection system based on the ETCS Level-I specification to provide a back-up to loco pilots on a limited stretch.

Known as a "train protection warning system", the facility based on ETCS Level-I has been implemented on about 342 km of rail route. Gatiman Express, running at 160 kmph between Nizamuddin and Agra, safely runs at this speed protected by the system.

However, it was decided to upgrade the system to put it on par with world standards as the ETCS Level-I has limitations.

In a train protection warning system, information regarding the condition of the signals ahead -- whether it is showing red, yellow or green -- is communicated to the locomotive and is shown on a display screen called DMI (Driver Machine Interface) in the front of the loco pilot.

In the ETCS Level-I system, this information regarding the condition of the signal ahead is periodically received in the loco whenever it passes over a device called "balise" which is fitted in the middle of the track at certain intervals.

Thus this has a limitation that the information regarding the signal ahead is received only when a loco passes over a balise -- and the driver has to wait till he passes over the next balise to get updated information.

This disadvantage of the ETCS Level-I is overcome in ETCS Level-II, which ensures that the status of the signal ahead is continuously available in the loco through a wireless radio medium using a GSM-R (Global System for Mobile Communication-Railways) network.

GSM-R is similar to the mobile GSM network with some special features for Railway applications. With the status of the signal continuously available, the driver can now run the train more efficiently, as per the movement authority available to him, thereby improving overall speed and the section capacity of the route.

With the implementation of ETCS Level-II, the balise fitted on the track for communicating the status of signals are no longer required.

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Postby A Nandy » 19 Dec 2017 00:19

A big project with ISRO has been initiated to locate every train movement on the network. Check SSC.


Just read up on it, thanks. I hope the NAVIC system has sufficient resolution to separate trains on side by side tracks. Ideally it should allow systems that automatically apply brakes when trains on the same line are say 1 km from each other(depending on train length). In fact this system needs just local radio which should anyway be used for backup to stop close by trains. Maybe there is still an issue with distinguishing among trains on nearby tracks.

That coupled with driver confirmation needed for every signal crossed, else brakes applied, should go a long way.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sachin » 19 Dec 2017 14:30

A Nandy wrote: I wonder how this will help if a train has been stopped midway and the train behind it does not know.

At present, the "block working" in IR helps in avoiding such mishaps. Using 1940s-1950s UK-like train "block instruments" stations masters on both ends of a railway track coordinate their work. This ensures that only one train is at one section at any given time. The block instruments can ensure that, and signals add onto it. But all this are highly human dependent working style, which makes the system go slow.

I hope the NAVIC system has sufficient resolution to separate trains on side by side tracks.

The previous system (again using GPS) was pulled out because of this very reason. That is, it could not differentiate trains crossing each other on different tracks. Plus the system also needed to have some escape routes, when it should not function (especially when doing shunting movements, or trains moving with authority based on "Calling On Signals"). That is, the system needs to know when two trains can come close to each other as part of a normal train movement.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby tandav » 22 Dec 2017 07:37

Why don't they use the rails themselves as the signal transmission system. An appropriate sonic transducer system is attached to the train which transmits a signal to the track. This signal is picked up by the other trains on the same track and perhaps also other signal acquisition systems. A GPS unit tells the system where the train is at a particular time and the ultrasonic system tells you which track it is moving on. The combination of these 2 will place the trains correctly and can be used for a signalling system

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Postby arshyam » 22 Dec 2017 09:02

tandav wrote:Why don't they use the rails themselves as the signal transmission system. An appropriate sonic transducer system is attached to the train which transmits a signal to the track. This signal is picked up by the other trains on the same track and perhaps also other signal acquisition systems. A GPS unit tells the system where the train is at a particular time and the ultrasonic system tells you which track it is moving on. The combination of these 2 will place the trains correctly and can be used for a signalling system

What you are describing is called track circuiting in Railway parlance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_circuit

IR uses track circuiting, but not everywhere due to cost. Typically, the Mumbai and Chennai suburban sections are track circuited and equipped with a "train protection warning system", and so should the Delhi-Agra route. @Sachin sir, do you know the extent of track circuiting elsewhere on IR? I think for a permanent solution, we have to bite the bullet and apply this on the entire n/w and be done with it. These GPS/Navic based solutions like ACD will only get us so far, say single line sections like KR, where they have been effective. Last I knew, the ACD was extended to the NFR line from Siliguri to Guwahati. But double-track trunk lines **have** to be track circuited. The high cost is a symptom of our lack of "research" in the much vaunted RDSO - we are now paying the cost for it by importing systems from Siemens or Bombardier.

Anyway, here's an RDSO doc on track circuiting on IR: http://www.rdso.indianrailways.gov.in/w ... 20ver2.pdf

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby A Nandy » 23 Dec 2017 10:41

But wouldn't radio transmitters work just as well? Every track section between 2 stations can have a unique track ID. It would be set when a train has left the yard and is in the double line section. It would transmit its train number and track ID out to a range of say 1km. So if there is a train following it, it will receive the track ID and if it matches its own then apply the brakes.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Ashokk » 23 Dec 2017 15:35

I wonder what happened to the indigenously developed train collision avoidance system TCAS (http://slideplayer.com/slide/4151721/). Last I heard was that it was undergoing trials in South Central Railways. Hope its not a "death by a thousand trials" like IA? :mrgreen:
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Postby A Nandy » 24 Dec 2017 19:39

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 229020.cms

2017: Less accidents, more aftershocks for Railways

As far as accidents were concerned, despite Prabhu's exit, the actual numbers showed an improvement from last year.
Derailments decreased - from 78 in 2016-2017 to 37 - in the first eight months of this year.
During April 1 to November 30, a total of 49 consequential train accidents took place in comparison to 104 in 2016-2017 and 107 in 2015-2016.


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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vasu raya » 24 Dec 2017 19:52

Looks like this solution worked,

Railways to get infra-red and laser tech, trains can speed over 100 km safely

The device uses infra-red and laser rays to detect any object on tracks up to a distance of 2 km and display the information on screen fitted inside the locomotive.

The device can also detect any minor damage or crack in the tracks and thus avert rail accidents. Trinetra has been devised by the mechanical wing of the Railways.

Railway officials claimed during trial that the device successfully detected the presence of small objects on the track at least 500 metres in advance.

Similarly, it indicated minor defects in the tracks to the loco pilot and eventually trains could be stopped at a safe distance.

"The Trinetra device will be useful in averting train collisions, derailment and accidents on unmanned railway crossings. The radar-based system has been found to be accurate in sensing any physical obstruction on the tracks as it can also detect any damage in tracks ahead," said a railway ministry official.

The ministry began trial of the device last year and sources said its working has already been demonstrated before the Prime Minister's Office.

It may be noted that the railway ministry has been struggling to develop an effective train accident protection and warning system for over two decades.

Multiple trials were conducted on these devices but they failed to yield desired results.

The Trinetra device has been successfully tested in nearly 100 mail and express trains that included New Delhi-Chandigarh Shatabdi Express.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby shaun » 24 Dec 2017 23:27

http://www.blog.indianrailways.gov.in/tri-netra-terrain-imaging-for-diesel-drivers-infra-red-enhanced-optical-radar-assisted-system/. TRI-NETRA – Terrain imaging for diesel dRivers Infra-red, Enhanced Optical & Radar Assisted system

Ministry of Railways, Railway Board has initiated a proposal to install TRI-NETRA systems on locomotives for enhancing the vision of Locomotive Pilots in inclement weather. TRI-NETRA stands for – Terrain imaging for diesel dRivers INfra-red, Enhanced opTical &Radar Assisted system.

TRI-NETRA system shall be made up of high-resolution optical video camera, high sensitivity infra-red video camera and additionally a radar-based terrain mapping system.

These three components of the system shall act as three eyes (Tri-Netra) of the Locomotive Pilot.

TRI-NETRA is designed to “see” the terrain ahead of the running locomotive during inclement weather by combining the images captured by the three sub-systems and to create a composite video image which shall be displayed in front of the Loco Pilot on a computer monitor.

During fog, heavy rain and also during night, the locomotive pilots face serious challenges in looking out ahead to spot any obstruction on the track such as vehicles which get stuck while crossing the track or trees or boulders which have fallen across the track etc. Because of the heavy momentum of the running train, the train driver has to always adjust the speed of the train such that he or she can stop the train on visually

seeing the obstruction. In fair weather and in daytime, this is not a problem since train driver has a clear view of the track ahead. But in poor visibility, he has to reduce the speed suitably so that the brakes can be applied in time to stop the train without hitting the obstructions.

This is where TRI-NETRA will come into picture and give the locomotive pilot a clear view of the track ahead in bad visibility conditions so that he can apply brakes well in time. Conversely, he can speed up the train even in poor visibility if the TRI-NETRA system shows that the track ahead is clear of obstruction. The system shall also map the terrain ahead so that the driver knows when he is approaching a station or a signal.

The concept of TRI-NETRA was developed by Development Cell under the guidance of Member Mechanical, Railway Board while brainstorming on how to use the technology employed by fighter aircrafts to see through clouds and operate in pitch darkness and the technology used by naval ships in mapping the ocean floor and navigating in the night. Such an “assisted vision” system is not available readily in any of the advanced railway systems but the manufacturers and technology partners who develop components of such systems for defence are very excited with the concept. “Such systems have not been used for peacetime applications and we are excited that Indian Railways have thrown such a challenge at us” said one of the foreign specialists who develops such systems for fighter aircrafts. There has been very enthusiastic response to this Expression of Interest (EoI) published by Railway Board and number of companies from Israel, Finland, USA and Austria have expressed interest in developing such a system.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWdGLEv4eU

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Postby A_Gupta » 27 Dec 2017 00:26

Indian Railways in 2017: New Trains, Initiatives That Came Through the Year
http://www.india.com/business/indian-ra ... r-2797557/

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Postby disha » 28 Dec 2017 08:55

Could not find the URL, so posting in full with appropriate attributions

Bengaluru, Mysuru To Get Closer; PM Modi May Inaugurate Long Pending Electrified Double Track In January
by Swarajya Staff - Dec 26 2017, 6:59 pm,
Bengaluru, Mysuru To Get Closer; PM Modi May Inaugurate Long Pending Electrified Double Track In January

The Chennai Central - Mysuru Shatabdi Express (Prateek Karandikar/Wikimedia Commons)

The much-awaited and much-delayed track doubling and electrification project on the Bengaluru - Mysuru railway track will finally be thrown open for regular operations in January 2018, reports News Karnataka. The section was originally to be inaugurated today (26 December) with the flagging off of an electric locomotive at the Krantivira Sangolli Rayanna Railway (KSR) station in Bengaluru.

The opening of the new line will reduce the travel time between Karnataka’s Information Technology hub and Cultural Capital by a minimum of 15 minutes but will save the around Rs 36 crore a year and reduce emissions from diesel engines.

The 138 km journey from KSR station to Mysuru station a minimum of 700 litres of diesel costing Rs 41,000 or five litres per kilometre. An electric locomotive would require around 2,600 units of electricity which would costs around Rs 17,000 at Rs 6 per unit.

The project, originally sanctioned in the 2007-08 railway budget was held up because of land constraints in Srirangapatna. The armoury of Tipu Sultan, which needed to be shifted held up work on the project. The armoury was finally shifted earlier this year and work was able to progress.

The fastest train on the route, the Chennai Central to Mysuru Shatabdi Express currently takes two hours to cover the journey. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is expected to inaugurate the line.

Tags: Bengaluru, Electrification, Shatabdi Express, Mysuru, South Western Railway, Railway Track,

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 03 Jan 2018 21:48

we need to connect mysore by train across the wayanad ghats to kozhikode. the logistical link to north kerala and mangalore via hassan is fairly weak.

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Postby Aditya_V » 03 Jan 2018 22:54

Sir that will be a environmental disaster as it will have to go through Nagarhole or Bandipur. I.e forests with high density of elephants and tigers

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Vips » 04 Jan 2018 20:36

Indian Railways eyes big for next fiscal, plans Rs 1.46 lakh crore outlay.

Indian Railways has proposed its highest plan outlay of Rs 1.46 lakh crore for the next fiscal, up from Rs 1.31 lakh crore for the current financial year.

The next plan outlay will focus on electrification of about 8,000 km of rail tracks, and commissioning of 4,000 km of new rail lines including doubling, construction of new lines and gauge conversion. Railways will also renew 4,000 km track route, a top rail ministry official said.

"Electrification works would be our priority as electrified routes will immediately reduce the operational costs. Plans to gradually phase out diesel run locomotives are also on," the official said. In the next fiscal, railways is likely to acquire around 13,000 wagons, more than 600 locomotives (mostly electric) and almost 5,000 passenger coaches, most of them of safer LHB technology.

More than 40% of the outlay will come as gross budgetary support from the finance ministry that will also include safety fund and railways' share from the central road fund.

The national transporter will raise the rest from extra budgetary resources such as IRFC bonds, institutional funding and monetisation of assets and from its own internal generation.

"We'll be raising about Rs 20,000 crore through IRFC bonds and almost the same will come from Life Insurance Corporation of India (LIC)," the rail official said.

About Rs 30,000 crore is expected to come from monetisation of assets and railways will internally generate Rs 16,000 crore. "We are expecting to get more than Rs 60,000 crore from the finance ministry. Modernisation of signalling, passenger amenities and completion of stalled projects will be the priority area," the official said.

Railways received a gross budgetary support of Rs 55,000 crore for the current financial year.

The national transporter will also be targeting an operating ratio of less than 95% in the next fiscal. It's hoping to end the current year with an operating ratio of 96-97%, the official said.

Operating ratio is a measure of performance — the money railways spends to earn Rs 100. Lower the ratio, better the performance.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby jaysimha » 05 Jan 2018 17:51

Important Achievements of Track Design Directorate during last five years (As on December 2017)

http://rdso.indianrailways.gov.in/works ... 0final.pdf

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Postby A_Gupta » 12 Jan 2018 17:31

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/2018/ ... t-capacity
India needs an urgent increase in its rail freight capacity
Last week, the Indian railway minister Piyush Goyal, said that the railways is looking to triple its gross freight traffic by 2030. He also stated that to achieve the milestone a reciprocation strategy for foreign bidders is in the pipeline, while they bid for major projects concerning the railways.

The strategy is simple, but surprisingly effective - the move is to make sure only the companies from countries that already allow Indian firms to bid for their domestic development projects would be allowed to participate in similar projects in India.

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Postby Singha » 12 Jan 2018 18:54

not just bid. because bids in most countries are run and opened by cronies. it must be "offsets" projects in their own countries in some measure.

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Postby Katare » 15 Jan 2018 00:22

May be they are not trying to keep Chinese companies out of the bidding race to contain further trade deficit besides obvious security issues?

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Postby jaysimha » 16 Jan 2018 14:34

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=175038

Year End Review 2017 of Ministry of Railways

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Postby Karthik S » 18 Jan 2018 14:15

Bullet Rail: Indian Govt Is Pushing For More Local Suppliers, But Japan Has Raised ‘Quality’ Concerns

A Shinkansen bullet train goes over a street in Tokyo. (Photo credit: TORU YAMANAKA/AFP/Getty Images)
The Indian government has been pushing the case of including more local suppliers for the Japanese-funded Mumbai-Ahmedabad bullet train project, according to a Reuters report. New Delhi has been talking to Japanese firms such as Nippon Steel to source locally to give a boost to the government’s flagship Make In India program that seeks to promote manufacturing in India.

However, the Japanese side appears to have raised concerns primarily about the quality of work at least in the case of Jindal Steel and Steel Authority Of India (SAIL). Reuters report cites unnamed officials who said that “their Japanese counterparts had raised questions about efficiency in Indian companies and their ability to meet timelines”.

On the technology transfer front, Japan appears to ask for more bullet train corridors to be opened for development before any meaningful technology transfer. New Delhi, on the other hand, will not seriously look at other corridors unless the full implications of the Mumbai-Ahmedabad Corridor are clear.

The high-speed rail project will benefit Japanese firms such as Nippon Steel and Sumitomo Metal Corp, Japan's biggest steelmaker, and firms like JFE Holdings, Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Toshiba Corp and Hitachi.

On the Indian side, Reuters says that firms such as UltraTech Cement, Larsen & Toubro, Bharat Heavy Electricals and Ambuja Cement may bid for construction, cement and other such contracts.


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Postby Zynda » 18 Jan 2018 19:44

Recently Bombardier Transportation made a sales pitch to IR about its TRAXX 3 electric locomotives. Bombardier are offering up to 12875 HP passenger & freight locomotives to IR. Bombardier claims that a single TRAXX 3 pax loco can haul 24 LHB coaches at 200 Kph on a straight level track.

Here is a pdf of that ppt

Link

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arvin » 21 Jan 2018 13:39

Singha wrote:we need to connect mysore by train across the wayanad ghats to kozhikode. the logistical link to north kerala and mangalore via hassan is fairly weak.

http://www.indiamike.com/files/images/0 ... ay-map.jpg


Your wish will soon come true. Not kozhikode but thalaserry. The DPR is ready and green lighted by center.

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Postby A Nandy » 22 Jan 2018 08:37

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/654 ... anese.html

Left with little choice, Indian firms will now largely provide raw materials like cement and supply manpower for the assembly of rails, the sources said.

India's UltraTech Cement Ltd, Larsen & Toubro Ltd , Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd and Ambuja Cements Ltd are among those in the race for the supply of construction materials and power, the two Indian railways officials said.


Darn back to supplying cotton for the mills of Manchester again! We got to put our foot down here.

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Postby hanumadu » 23 Jan 2018 05:26

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/2-new-world-class-trains-to-cut-travel-time-by-20/articleshow/62611180.cms

By June this year, the railways will roll out a 'first of its kind' semi-high speed, self-propelled train set which will cut down the travel time by at least 20% in comparison to any train drawn by a loco due to faster acceleration and deceleration.
The Chennai-based Railways' Integral Coach Factory (ICF) has designed the train sets and will manufacture the first with 16 fully air-conditioned coaches by June 2018.
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ICF general manager S Mani said, "Train 18 can travel at speeds of up to 160 kmph. It will have worldclass facilities for passengers. First set of train will be ready by June 2018."



More info in the link.

Added Later: If they manage to do this, it will be an impressive achievement.

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Postby Singha » 23 Jan 2018 07:48

initially I think suzuki imported the key parts of their car like gearbox and drive shaft and engine as our industry level at amby/premier padmini was too primitive to even supply parts , let alone cast them properly. over time all these items are now MII.

same issue is in HSR which needs aerospace grade materials and parts all through including on the rails. Theo had done a good analysis after the structural failure that led to the fatal Chinese HSR crash. he had compared to a pic of a similar bridge on the TGV network in france. its not just the train but we will need handholding even for the railway track laying and bridges which will be leap over the old box girder type stuff.

any accident will be pounced upon by vested interests to (a) defame the OEM & HSR (b) defame Namo . it will be the end of plans for a bigger hsr network. and any accident at this speeds will be far more fatal than the low speed derailments that are 'routine' every week or so.

japan is putting in a lot of vendor financed money on this on good soft loan terms. I say let them run the show initially just as korean/japani engineers were all over the place in the initial phase of delhi metro now look how high it flies now. they do not skimp on standards or workmanship and will make sure their partners also do it properly. in due time it will pay rewards both in quality of work and MII/TOT as the network build out commences.

in the end every MNC is running a business not a charity to donate work and technology, they need to make some profit on every deal else will soon be out of existence.

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Postby Raveen » 23 Jan 2018 09:08

You do realize that Suzuki imported gearboxes up until very recently (and probably still do, I just can't vouch for it) and that was a major fallout between Suzuki and GoI.

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Postby Karthik S » 23 Jan 2018 13:00

Singha wrote:initially I think suzuki imported the key parts of their car like gearbox and drive shaft and engine as our industry level at amby/premier padmini was too primitive to even supply parts , let alone cast them properly. over time all these items are now MII.

same issue is in HSR which needs aerospace grade materials and parts all through including on the rails. Theo had done a good analysis after the structural failure that led to the fatal Chinese HSR crash. he had compared to a pic of a similar bridge on the TGV network in france. its not just the train but we will need handholding even for the railway track laying and bridges which will be leap over the old box girder type stuff.

any accident will be pounced upon by vested interests to (a) defame the OEM & HSR (b) defame Namo . it will be the end of plans for a bigger hsr network. and any accident at this speeds will be far more fatal than the low speed derailments that are 'routine' every week or so.

japan is putting in a lot of vendor financed money on this on good soft loan terms. I say let them run the show initially just as korean/japani engineers were all over the place in the initial phase of delhi metro now look how high it flies now. they do not skimp on standards or workmanship and will make sure their partners also do it properly. in due time it will pay rewards both in quality of work and MII/TOT as the network build out commences.

in the end every MNC is running a business not a charity to donate work and technology, they need to make some profit on every deal else will soon be out of existence.


+1, many peope are stressed about MII regarding HSR. First let's give ourselves time to absorb the tech.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby yensoy » 23 Jan 2018 14:55

Zynda wrote:Recently Bombardier Transportation made a sales pitch to IR about its TRAXX 3 electric locomotives. Bombardier are offering up to 12875 HP passenger & freight locomotives to IR. Bombardier claims that a single TRAXX 3 pax loco can haul 24 LHB coaches at 200 Kph on a straight level track.

Here is a pdf of that ppt

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Great read! Something will happen during Shri Trudeau's visit?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JTull » 23 Jan 2018 17:22

Trudeau is cozying up to Khalistani elements. Unless this deal has a very major share of Make-in-India, there's no chance.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 23 Jan 2018 18:36

Raveen wrote:You do realize that Suzuki imported gearboxes up until very recently (and probably still do, I just can't vouch for it) and that was a major fallout between Suzuki and GoI.


let us assume MUL imports the gearbox on all its cars and has no intention of ever producting it here.

is MUL still a net +ve or net -ve for the country ?

to me it seems like GOI can armtwist them more as we are suzukis biggest market, but GOI generally does not go all out to gain technology the way china does on behalf of its corporates...

suzukis desire to keep the crown jewels in its own pocket resembles the turbofan engine makers always keeping the critical "hot section" away from any JV, like the ardigen engine hot section is a black box supplied by turbomeca only.

it is upto our local cos to source tech/people or develop such missing crown jewels

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Vips » 23 Jan 2018 19:31

If we cant leverage the fact that India is the last remaining major untapped market for the Foreign Vendors (Which is only going to get bigger as income rises further) then shame on us. Any other country/civilization in our place would have not allowed a single day/opportunity to go by without stressing this fact over and over.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Vips » 23 Jan 2018 19:33

2 new ‘world class’ trains to cut travel time by 20%.

By June this year, the railways will roll out a 'first of its kind' semi-high speed, self-propelled train set which will cut down the travel time by at least 20% in comparison to any train drawn by a loco due to faster acceleration and deceleration.
The Chennai-based Railways' Integral Coach Factory (ICF) has designed the train sets and will manufacture the first with 16 fully air-conditioned coaches by June 2018.

Touted as Train 18, it will have 'world-class' passenger amenities such as on-board Wi-fi and infotainment, GPSbased passenger information system and plush interiors with diffused LED lighting.

The new train with aerodynamic nose for reduced drag and for improved aesthetics is likely to replace elite Shatabdi Trains currently used for superfast inter-city travel.

Another set of train, named Train 20, is likely to be launched in 2020. These will also be equipped with world class facilities to replace another elite train, Rajdhani Express, used in overnight travel. Both Train 18 and Train 20, 'Make in India' projects by ICF, will be manufactured for half the cost of imported train sets. The only difference will be that Train 20 will have an aluminium body while Train 18 will have stainless steel body.

The train sets (like EMUs), which will replace locomotive-hauled trains, will have continuous window glasses for a contemporary modern look; 'automatic plug-type' sliding doors and sliding footsteps which will open and close automatically at the stations and zero discharge vacuum-based bio-toilets.

ICF general manager S Mani said, "Train 18 can travel at speeds of up to 160 kmph. It will have worldclass facilities for passengers. First set of train will be ready by June 2018."

A study shows the railways will be able to cut travel time by three hours and thirtyfive minutes on the 1,440-km Delhi-Howrah route. The Rajdhani and Shatabdi Express can go up to 150 kmph, but the average speed continues to be 90 kmph as there are several speed restrictions. Given that applying brakes and accelerating takes longer using locomotives, the 'train sets' will cut down on time. The reduction in journey time was calculated at a maximum permissible speed of 130 kmph and could come down further if the permissible limit is raised to 160 kmph.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 23 Jan 2018 21:12

Excellent. Shows if there is political intent how a moribund organization like IR can be turned around. Hope T-18 and T-20 are truly world class and not the garbage rakes RCF provided for Kolkata metro. Tejas and Anubhuti gives me hope.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby chetak » 23 Jan 2018 21:18

yensoy wrote:
Zynda wrote:Recently Bombardier Transportation made a sales pitch to IR about its TRAXX 3 electric locomotives. Bombardier are offering up to 12875 HP passenger & freight locomotives to IR. Bombardier claims that a single TRAXX 3 pax loco can haul 24 LHB coaches at 200 Kph on a straight level track.

Here is a pdf of that ppt

Link


Great read! Something will happen during Shri Trudeau's visit?


don't the hans have equity in Bombardier??

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby yensoy » 23 Jan 2018 21:39

chetak wrote:
yensoy wrote:
Great read! Something will happen during Shri Trudeau's visit?


don't the hans have equity in Bombardier??


Good catch, I missed this aspect. Evidently the Chinese had some interest in picking up stake in Bombardier http://www.businessinsider.com/china-comac-bombardier-canadas-investment-2017-5 but eventually Airbus stepped in http://www.dw.com/en/airbus-takes-majority-stake-in-bombardier-airliner-program/a-40978560. Regardless, this was for the aircraft program only.


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