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Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby rahulm » 09 Jan 2017 08:54

India needs HSR. Badly. We do have a tradition of celebrating top speeds not average speeds. Multiple stops will,decrease average speeds.

We have got our priorities all wrong. For HSR to be viable from day 1 the HSR should connect Rameshwaram Madurai tirupati Shirdi Pandharpur Somnath and then non stop to Benares and then to Mathura Vaishno Devi. :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 09 Jan 2017 11:26

I think our own funds can go into 3rd and 4th tracks which are vital given all our trunk lines are at 110-130% load daily.

HSR type things funded on soft loans spanning decades are ok.

this indeed is what is happening on the east and west freight corridors. needs to happen in EWNW and GQ mode. and 1000s of old bridges and culverts on existing tracks all over need replacing to take higher speeds and heavier meaty trains 10,000t ton hauled up ganged WDG locos and the new electric and diesel locos were are going to make in bihar plants.

nozomi and other flyers will squeal like rats when compared to the brutish low rpm torque of the mineral hauling trains in the hills. love the growl of the big diesels and the blast of the sooty cooling fans. a man's train, a man's job vs letting some AI system run the shinkansens using touch panels.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 09 Jan 2017 11:31

can anyone post soothing pics of the new model electric and diesel locos which are to be made in Bihar?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Suraj » 09 Jan 2017 12:30

Here's how the 12000hp Alstom Prima II electric locos will look
IR Facts twitter pic
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The diesel loco order was won by GE, who will supply their 6000hp Evolution series:
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The Alstom locos are among the world's most powerful locos, and are from the same Prima platform on which the current leader, the China Railways HXD2 locos are built.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Manish_P » 09 Jan 2017 12:31

Have any of you checked out Indian Train Simulator game (by Highbrow Interactive) on Google play store

Quite fun :-)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby disha » 10 Jan 2017 01:34

Singha wrote:I think our own funds can go into 3rd and 4th tracks which are vital given all our trunk lines are at 110-130% load daily.

HSR type things funded on soft loans spanning decades are ok.


Singha'ji - you have touched upon an important point.

Currently IR does not have the funds to take on new projects like HSR and upgrade of trunk lines.

People do not realize that by 2050., India will have 1.5 Billion population. The India I remember had 700 million population and we were already feeling overcrowded and the services stretched. Imagine now 2x the number and 4x the travel. So how do we move say 12 Billion people over a year by 2050?

Some on this forum may quibble with the number. Some will say that it will be 6 Billion or even 2 Billion by 2050., but the point is we have to prepare for moving billions of people safely over large distances and fast.

IR just does not have the budget to invest in new technologies to do that while its own current infrastructure is creaking and overloaded!

This is where soft loans come into picture. What JICA is doing is starting a seed infrastructure venture. They may come up with not-so-soft loan for other corridors and that will be just fine., since it will lead to creation of a new world-class infrastructure while leaving IR to concentrate on upgrading its current infrastructure.

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I like the char-dham yatra "bullet train"., over a weekend., one can do all the pilgrimage and come back home. In fact if the HSR is networked properly., one can start a char-dham yatra "package" including stay and meals. Trust me., I will be first on that list :-)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby rahulm » 10 Jan 2017 08:14

It's pleasing that IR is modernising its power and moving forward. It's disappointing that even after all these years, RDSO and one of the largest markets in the world we need to keep importing locos and coach designs.

While we rightly sneer at the state of the tai always in Massa, they still manage to make locos that India wants. After the WAP series, I think we have just given up on Indian design despite having a fairly good history. IR local design going the CDOT way.

Some of our innovation is the retrograde step of removing auto closing safety doors which make travel safer to ICF stnadard doors that remain open, unsafe and a god send for goons who don't like TTE's or who,want to teach girls who resist their advances a lesson by throwing them out of a running train.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 10 Jan 2017 08:41

Relative was supposed to arrive at 2:30pm by "superfast" something, then he called "reaching at 5pm", then "9pm", then arrived at midnight. IR has got the priorities wrong for sure. This is one area where lots of minor improvements, lots of announcements on "future", no visible change on cattle carrier service. Less One says of the atrocious irctc website the better.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby A_Gupta » 10 Jan 2017 09:11

August 2016:
Railways set March 2017 target to complete work: Doubling of 114-km of Kayamkulam-Kottayam-Ernakulam stretch
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Thi ... 998833.ece

Is this target likely to be met?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby disha » 10 Jan 2017 09:13

Rishi Verma wrote:Relative was supposed to arrive at 2:30pm by "superfast" something, then he called "reaching at 5pm", then "9pm"...


Tweet it to Suresh Prabhu ...

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby disha » 10 Jan 2017 09:16

A_Gupta wrote:August 2016:
Railways set March 2017 target to complete work: Doubling of 114-km of Kayamkulam-Kottayam-Ernakulam stretch

Is this target likely to be met?


Anything in Kerala - they should have left it at 'March'. It could be 2017/2018 or even 2019/2020. Like "Do not worry we will be done by 'March' (year unspecified)". Did they even figure out the cut for the MLAs and MPs and assorted hanger ons in between? :rofl: In jest only.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Lilo » 10 Jan 2017 13:57

Rishi Verma wrote:Relative was supposed to arrive at 2:30pm by "superfast" something, then he called "reaching at 5pm", then "9pm", then arrived at midnight. IR has got the priorities wrong for sure. This is one area where lots of minor improvements, lots of announcements on "future", no visible change on cattle carrier service. Less One says of the atrocious irctc website the better.


Nothing much can be done when fog delays trains in winter -this is there especially in north india. If we want to ignore fog & run at normal speeds effectively in blind - there should be an automated realtime updating(i.e every minute) track information system & the general security of tracks to match it.

As of the now one can only imagine what such an upgrade entails.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 10 Jan 2017 20:34

disha wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:August 2016:
Railways set March 2017 target to complete work: Doubling of 114-km of Kayamkulam-Kottayam-Ernakulam stretch

Is this target likely to be met?


Anything in Kerala - they should have left it at 'March'. It could be 2017/2018 or even 2019/2020. Like "Do not worry we will be done by 'March' (year unspecified)". Did they even figure out the cut for the MLAs and MPs and assorted hanger ons in between? :rofl: In jest only.


These are all lies: Video posted Dec 31, 2016 of various sections on this route. Lots and lots of work pending, even earthworks.

Changanaserry to Chingavanam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNnAwPM ... e=youtu.be

Also the situation Chingavanam-Kottayam is in similar shape.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby nukavarapu » 10 Jan 2017 23:38

Suraj wrote:The numbers in that article are wrong. Rs.99,000 cr, or $16 billion, is the total cost of the project. This is quite sensible, because HSR construction cost is approx $30 million/km, and the length of Mum-Ahd is 510km, and the calculation gives you approx $31 million/km cost here. If the 20% investor is spending Rs.100K crore, that suggests the cost is Rs.500K crore, which is nonsense, unless they decided overnight to build gold plated tracks and trains at 5x the standard worldwide cost.

JICA is funding 81% of the cost through a 50 year 0.1% loan with a 15 year repayment moratorium, i.e. repayments start after year 15. Why ? Because the construction and subsequent operations need to stabilize first. The remaining 19% of 99K crore is being funded 50% by GoI, and 25% each by GoMH and GoGJ, out of their respective budgets.

The ownership entity is the National High Speed Rail Corporation, a special purpose vehicle that assumes the liabilities of the project, with JICA, GoI, GoMH/GoGJ as investors in the ratios listed above. If the NHSRC goes into receivership, each of the investors work with the bankruptcy/restructuring authority. Someone else buys the ownership stake for a lower cost and repays the current set of investors. IR provides the current operational support. The last railway budget set aside the money that's the central government's contribution.

These are the facts, and they've been unchanged for 2 years. What's the catch ? None. GoI has no stake in JICA's loan. The Japanese contributed this much because they had good experiences working with DMRC and Indian projects in general through ADB. Plus, they wanted to beat out the Chinese. If this project fails, the only issue is GoI will have trouble attracting more foreign investors in HSR, that's all. GoI isn't on the hook for anything more than the money they've already set aside in the last two rail budgets, which is their ~10% stake. It simply makes them the 10% investor.


Thanks Suraj

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby A_Gupta » 11 Jan 2017 09:06

Thanks!
That Changanaserry to Chingavanam youtube is good. I noticed that all culvert work seems to be completed; overpass work is in progress, and of course the track bed is barely ready in most places.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby disha » 11 Jan 2017 10:33

^^ Indicates that lot of work needs to be done - atleast 8-9 months before it can be called done. They should have just as well said "March, 2018".

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Nick_S » 11 Jan 2017 13:35

Rishi Verma wrote:Relative was supposed to arrive at 2:30pm by "superfast" something, then he called "reaching at 5pm", then "9pm", then arrived at midnight. IR has got the priorities wrong for sure. This is one area where lots of minor improvements, lots of announcements on "future", no visible change on cattle carrier service. Less One says of the atrocious irctc website the better.


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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 11 Jan 2017 23:17

Two seriously delayed projects update:

Daund-Gulbarga doubling delayed even more to 2018. This is part of Chennai-Mumbai doubling and a very important trunk route. Trains from Mumbai to Hyderabad, Shatabdi etc use it. It is unbelievable that this trunk route is single line and not electrified either. Line density is also extremely high. With super thermal plant getting ready at Kudachi in Karnataka, things will become even worse.

Delay in Doubling of Chennai-Mumbai trunk line

The other story is the 6 year ongoing saga of moving the Armoury of Tippu Sultan by 200m at Srirangapatna. The armoury blocks the Mysore-Bangalore doubling project. The armoury weighs 1000 tons and was used in recent times as a latrine by Srirangapatna residents, but is on the ASI protected list, go figure. Now a US company has dug around the armoury to a depth of 25 feet, will insert hydraulic jacks and lift the entire Armoury onto a doily and pull it away making way for the double line. This is supposed to be done by end Feb. Hopefully finally Mysore-Bangalore doubling and electrification will be done. This stupidity has gone on for far too long.

http://citytoday.news/tipus-armoury-a-m ... ft-on-way/

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 12 Jan 2017 07:19

this armoury thing is just that ruined wall with some bunkers at the base of the wall right? it was overgrown unprotected and weedy even in 1984 and continues. it visible from highway as one drives past and is entered via a ruined narrow gate that is a public road into the old fort area?

his summer palace and his tomb (with hyder ali) are in good condition and well patronized by tourists. the tomb is still a active place of prayer and the summer palace and its surrounding garden looks rather good.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arvin » 12 Jan 2017 08:37

>>Daund-Gulbarga doubling delayed even more to 2018. This is part of Chennai-Mumbai doubling and a very important.

Owing to single line, local passenger trains cant be run. Local populace boards reserved sleeper coach of long distance trains esp in evenings in Gulbarga. Lot of fights break out.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 12 Jan 2017 09:29

The serious issue between Daund-Gulbarga and I do not know which damn fool did this, is the large number of scissors crossings. So for two trains to cross many stations do not have a loop line but a scissors. The second line in many cases is built on a grade. This leads to tremendous waste of time with trains having to go forward and back.
These scissors crossings should have been eliminated and loop lines put in for single lines with doubling left to the future, but rail mantris, netas, GM's of divisions scarcely care.
Tilati scissors crossing has been eliminated by moving the station 500m and doubling is complete between Solapur-Hotgi-Tilati-Akkalkot Road. But there is Pophlaj scissors between Mohol and Daund, Bablad between Gulbarga and Solapur and maybe one more. Here is a schematic and the 4 steps needed for two trains to pass at a scissors and also a video of the Mumbai-Hyderbad Shatabdi and some other train crossing each other
at a scissors at Pophlaj on this route. All of this must add time to trains going towards Delhi via Daund-Manmad, or Chennai-Mumbai etc etc.
In this schematic DD=Daund ,
http://irfca.org/~apub/pophlaj/Pophdiag.png

You see the first blade of the scissors at 0:21 and then the next one at 0:54

The train is reversing and waiting for the other train to cross which it does at 2:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1fXTv_59GE

This is at Bablad between Gulbarga and Solapur. Doubling works are going on between AKOR(Akkalkot Rd.)
and Nagansur, but between Nagansur and Gulbarga some minor bridges are up, some earthwork, but otherwise not much. Between Bhigwan and Mohol I think the pace is brisker, the bridge over the Bhima has been ready for about a decade in preparation for doubling.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Zynda » 12 Jan 2017 11:53

Tipu's armory is only visible from Railway Station.

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Was this structure ever opened to public?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 12 Jan 2017 18:47

arvin wrote:>>Daund-Gulbarga doubling delayed even more to 2018. This is part of Chennai-Mumbai doubling and a very important.

Owing to single line, local passenger trains cant be run. Local populace boards reserved sleeper coach of long distance trains esp in evenings in Gulbarga. Lot of fights break out.


Daund used to be the stablery of maratha's... Now teeming with pissfuls staring at all newcomers/visitors/outsiders with blood-shot eyes.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 12 Jan 2017 19:11

Update: dropped relative off at a major rail station in UP. Some observations.

1) zero security
2) bright led display of train / platforms, but info was not updated (actual time was 3pm but departure was listed at 2:40pm!!!!)
3) "information counter" sign was hard to notice, nobody was on duty....
4) platform access overpass had a human begger with only a head and shoulders, can't believe how he could be alive (hardly 1-foot tall stump with adult head)... who put "him" there, he can't possibly move.
5) platforms stunk like urinals
6) each and every train was delayed and mindless robotic announcement would end with "...we regret the inconvenience" in English and "....asuvidha ke liye khed hai", who "regrets" the delay, prabhu?
7) saw a guy chopping onions on the platform and a crowd had gathered around him to watch!!
8.) saw a sign saying "rail aahar", went up close to find the guy was selling bananas
9) many injured and limping stray dogs mingling among people
10) trains came and went, none looked clean, most looked beat-up, british era overweight coaches.. can't we design and manufacture decent coaches even? shows the level of our "industries"
11) old people had great difficulty getting in and out of trains... without assistance they better stay home, and do, awaiting d-day.
12) the train finally came (two hours late), finally left.

very depressing experience, zero sign of change under NaMo or Suresh Prabhu.

I am a modi supporter but railways got the priorities wrong. Simply allowing clean platform and travel experience would make labourers and the lower wrung happy, easy pickings for election gains to bring reforms faster.

Very very depressing experience indeed. To call IR cattle class would be praising it.

I say it again, bullet trains, even if 100% financed by Japan, is not what we deserve as a nation for the next 50 years. The railways and the nation needs SWACHCHH first.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 12 Jan 2017 19:18

Rishi Verma wrote:I say it again, bullet trains, even if 100% financed by Japan, is not what we deserve as a nation for the next 50 years. The railways and the nation needs SWACHCHH first.


You can say some people deserve more, but you can't say some other people deserve less. Trying to make your point by any means.
It's been said many times before, all you mentioned is a reality, but we are talking about two different projects that are independent of each other. Both can and are being done in parallel.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby manjgu » 12 Jan 2017 20:44

on the contrary came back from bikaner...the platform was v clean..though some villagers did manage to dirty it..but overall v clean..a few stray dogs on the platform...all signages worked quite well.. funny thing was there was a X ray for baggage screening but another passage into the platform from the main streeet without any obstacle..honestly security is a big joke. they should remove x ray machines..total waster of manpower. the waiting room at Sarai Rohilla station ( Delhi) smelt badly. The train from Bikaner to Sarai Rohilla was clean.. on time.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby manjgu » 12 Jan 2017 20:45

though i agree with Rishi on the HSR issue. we dont need it. Why cant that JICA money be pumped into improving amenities, rail infra??

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 12 Jan 2017 21:03

manjgu wrote:Why cant that JICA money be pumped into improving amenities, rail infra??


:)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 12 Jan 2017 21:19

The idea is to do things simultaneously not consecutively. It is modeled on the Chinese railway reform. It reduces the time taken to achieve a modern rail system.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby manjgu » 12 Jan 2017 21:38

Supratik..the chinese rail reform went hand in glove with economic reforms ( of which we have had precious little). the citizen should be rich enough to pay for HSR..have u seen 2 AC or 1st AC..either empty or filled by freebooters from railways, GOI or ministers or MP's.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Suraj » 12 Jan 2017 23:32

manjgu wrote:though i agree with Rishi on the HSR issue. we dont need it. Why cant that JICA money be pumped into improving amenities, rail infra??

Because it's their money. We don't have anything to do with it. We're not paying them back anything if the project goes south. So they decide how it's used, and their choice is to use it on building an HSR using their technology. We decide how to use our own money.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 12 Jan 2017 23:49

@manjgu

This discussed these things before.
If you believe that there has been no economic reform then I have nothing to say. China had a roughly 13 year lead in economic reform (1978 vs 1991). China was at roughly 2 trillion in early 2000, we reached in 2015. Same difference. Tomorrow we will say lets stop everything becoz 100s of millions of Indians are still shitting on railway tracks. First make them shit in toilets and then we will do other things. It is the responsibility of the govt and funding agencies to determine if HSR is feasible or not. Let them do their job and criticize only when they haven't done it well. Multiple things are happening in railway reform in parallel. You just have to keep track.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 12 Jan 2017 23:59

Anyone in support of bullet train (which I have used for over 10-years while living in, traveling in Japan) please just go to Nagpur train station at 2am, and look at the scene in front lobby in front of ticket windows, then stroll over to any platform where a late train in arriving departing, and report back if you still want bullet trains. And if the experience does not bring tears to your eyes then you are not qualified to report back, means you are blind. Yes it's THAT bad.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 13 Jan 2017 00:06

Today's incident at Unnao, UP. No comment

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Suraj » 13 Jan 2017 00:18

Rishi Verma: Please stop derailing this thread with logical fallacies. There's no relationship between HSR and the Nagpur station. You know why ? At one time there were no bullet train projects, until 2014. Nagpur station was crap. Today there's HSR projects being implemented, and Nagpur station is still crap. Therefore, the access to money or the bullet train has nothing to do with Nagpur station. It's a separate set of priorities.

This form of argument can be replicated to any number of things: Don't produce cars! We can barely manage our two wheeler population! In fact, shut down the airlines until we've proved we can do things properly on the ground! Neither of these makes any more sense than the state of Nagpur station. Please don't push this fallacy. There's no question Nagpur station should improve, but it's a separate argument on its own, that does not need opposition to something else to strengthen its case.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 13 Jan 2017 00:21

It has been only two years since serious reforms started - only after Modi-Prabhu. Given the vastness of IR you have to give it at least a decade for tangible change to be visible. The Chinese have taken 20-25 years.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Suraj » 13 Jan 2017 00:28

The Chinese started rail reform in the early 1990s. In fact they spend billions trying to create HSR technology themselves (look up the original China Star project) before giving up and stealing Japanese and western technology instead. What they did instead was spend 15+ years double/triple/quad tracking all the trunk lines, upgrading infrastructure etc. Simultaneously, they started by letting foreigners invest in HSR production in China as JV.

We're doing essentially the same thing. >90% of IR's massive new 8 lakh crore investments focus on basic structural investments. <10% (64K crore) goes to HSR. We just happen to have started only in 2014-15 budget. I've said it once and I'll say it again - that Rail Budget will one day be remembered as pathbreaking. But right now, while work is just being implemented, it would seem like nothing is happening.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby disha » 13 Jan 2017 00:29

Rishi Verma wrote:I say it again, bullet trains, even if 100% financed by Japan, is not what we deserve as a nation for the next 50 years. The railways and the nation needs SWACHCHH first.


It is like saying since I married Ranna Ayyub., nobody else deserves to be married to Aishwarya Rai.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 13 Jan 2017 00:37

Suraj wrote:Rishi Verma: Please stop derailing this thread with logical fallacies. There's no relationship between HSR and the Nagpur station. You know why ? At one time there were no bullet train projects, until 2014. Nagpur station was crap. Today there's HSR projects being implemented, and Nagpur station is still crap. Therefore, the access to money or the bullet train has nothing to do with Nagpur station. It's a separate set of priorities.

This form of argument can be replicated to any number of things: Don't produce cars! We can barely manage our two wheeler population! In fact, shut down the airlines until we've proved we can do things properly on the ground.


Boss there is a trend on BRF to speak only comfy feel good stuff and anyone countering the need for bullet train before the society cleanses itself of more important ills means derailing the thread?

Besides you are extending my specific point on bullet train to cars and airlines, which has no relation to my point.

Why isn't IR embracing the Swachchh Bharat Abhiyan? Is it too embarrassing to discuss? Isn't it pertinent to IR thread?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby disha » 13 Jan 2017 00:39

Rishi Verma wrote:Anyone in support of bullet train (which I have used for over 10-years while living in, traveling in Japan) please just go to Nagpur train station at 2am, and look at the scene in front lobby in front of ticket windows, then stroll over to any platform where a late train in arriving departing, and report back if you still want bullet trains. And if the experience does not bring tears to your eyes then you are not qualified to report back, means you are blind. Yes it's THAT bad.


Instead of ranting here., why do not you tweet to Suresh Prabhu? He has created a service framework on twitter and the zonal and divisional heads are to monitor the service requests.

Attach photos and send it. Do something. Anything. Other than rant about your Rana Ayyubesque Railway station and asking others to not improve their lot. You know what, India is a big country. Chennai to Nagpur is just over 1000 Km. There is still big south (some 750 Km)., south of chennai and huge north (some 2000 Km), north of nagpur. The distances are huge and multiple stations in between. It will take some decades at current pace before any major change is visible.

But wait., you do not want change - since you think we are not ready for change! Extremely defeatist and circular logic ...

Rishi Verma wrote:Besides you are extending my specific point on bullet train to cars and airlines, which has no relation to my point.


Same way you extend your rant on Nagpur railway station to bullet train and thence to societal evils. If that is relevant., the above point is more than relevant and also extends to your personal space. Everything eventually collapses into a singularity - right?

Why isn't IR embracing the Swachchh Bharat Abhiyan? Is it too embarrassing to discuss? Isn't it pertinent to IR thread?


What have you done? Yes sir - you? Did you even go through this article http://www.mapsofindia.com/my-india/india/cleanest-and-dirtiest-railway-stations-in-india and took to twitter with your photos and sent it to Suresh Prabhu and Dev Fadnavis and copying the GMs/DMs of the IRs? Did you make any effort?

No it is not at all embarrassing to discuss the dirtiest rail stations in India provided we also discuss the cleanest rail stations in India and understand why one set is clean and one set is dirty and take appropriate actions accordingly.

But ranting and extending the illogic to non-pertaining issues (since I am married to Rana Ayyub, nobody is ready to marry Aishwarya Rai) is derailing the thread.


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