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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Suraj » 13 Jan 2017 00:53

Rishi Verma wrote:Boss there is a trend on BRF to speak only comfy feel good stuff and anyone countering the need for bullet train before the society cleanses itself of more important ills means derailing the thread?

Comfy feel good stuff ? Considering the number of warning and bannings we do, which parallel universe is this comfy feel good talk happening in ?? :) Everyone on this forum seems perennially in whine mode onlee saar...
Rishi Verma wrote:Besides you are extending my specific point on bullet train to cars and airlines, which has no relation to my point.

You don't have any specific point about bullet trains. You are utilizing a logical fallacy to make your case. The HSR project is as relevant to Nagpur station platform dirt as cars vs scooters. It's previous absence did nothing for Nagpur, and it still has nothing to do with Nagpur. That station has been around for decades and its state has nothing to do with the *very* recent proposal of another rail project somewhere else.
Rishi Verma wrote:Why isn't IR embracing the Swachchh Bharat Abhiyan? Is it too embarrassing to discuss? Isn't it pertinent to IR thread?

Actually that's a good question. disha asked if you'd use IR's twitter to actually pass your concerns to the right authorities. Would you at least do so ? It would be a lot more helpful to the cause of Nagpur station.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Rishi Verma » 13 Jan 2017 11:32

Suraj wrote:
Rishi Verma wrote:Why isn't IR embracing the Swachchh Bharat Abhiyan? Is it too embarrassing to discuss? Isn't it pertinent to IR thread?

Actually that's a good question. disha asked if you'd use IR's twitter to actually pass your concerns to the right authorities. Would you at least do so ? It would be a lot more helpful to the cause of Nagpur station.


I do have and do tweet to PMO, SushmaJi's, and PrabhuJi.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 13 Jan 2017 22:04

Two major tenders floated for capacity augmentation on key trunk routes.

1. Mathura-Jhansi Third line. Mathura-AGC-JHS( AGC=Agra Cantt.) carries all the Delhi-Mumbai via Bhopal and Delhi-Chennai traffic, it is totally congested. Bina-Bhopal on this route the third line is installed and commissioned in some segments.

http://www.rvnl.org/tender/view_tender_ ... 85426ad335

The terrain is hard after Gwalior and those of you who have traveled on this section know that there are hills and even a tunnel between Gwalior-Jhansi. This is the famous Datia pass used by armies in the past to travel to the Deccan.

2. Also Gudur-BZA(Vijayawada) on Chennai-Delhi and Chennai-Howrah route, tender has been finally called by RVNL for third line. Earlier in maybe Dec 2015 maybe Gudur-Nellore tender was called, not sure? Anyhow now it is for the whole segment.

This will be major as a bridge will have to be built across River Krishna, outside BZA. OK found the Gudur-Bezwada third line tender:

http://www.rvnl.org/tender/view_tender_ ... 38713c7d5d

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arshyam » 14 Jan 2017 08:29

^^ Krishna river already has 3 bridges near BZA, will they build a fourth then? If so, very good.

The funny thing is, the station before the river is called "Krishna Canal Jn.", but the river at 1.2 km is anything but a "canal" :).

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby chetak » 14 Jan 2017 18:25

People's Daily,China ‏@PDChina 11h11 hours ago


Stunning photos of #China's high-speed trains, all ready to serve for the peak season during the upcoming Chinese new year.


Image

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 14 Jan 2017 23:30

Bangalore-Hassan new Railway line update.

This project was initiated in 1996 with Deve Gowda behind it. It suffered due to poor implementation by SWR and total incompetence by the State Govt. Mallya had his horse stables at Kunigal right on the path of this line. Tortuous negotiation followed and there was a land swap with Mallya. A tunnel had to be constructed. At the end when 90% of the work was done and 13km was left, there was a land row by farmers who demanded more money for a 11km section as they had been paid compensation by old LA laws. A further 2km section had LA problems. Now fortunately this 151km section will be opened soon, as papers have been filed with CRS for final inspection. It will provide a much faster and shorter by 50km route to Mangalore from Bangalore, reducing the journey time by train to Mangalore from Bangalore by 2 hours, and better connectivity with Mangalore port.

Here are some before and after pics, with the pics mainly in the last 13km section---one block section between Thippasandra and Solur that delayed matters. The before pics are construction in June 2016 and one sees massive earthworks in the deep cut near the tunnel and Dec 2016 with the tracks laid out and ready for final ballast tamping. Done!!


Before June 2016
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... ount=18722

After Dec 2016
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... ount=19108

Tamping of the ballast is done by Duomatic machines on IR and usually they cover 3km of track in
a single day. There are three rounds of tamping.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 15 Jan 2017 02:59

Here is a new Duomatic machine hard at work on IR on newly laid tracks between Pollachi and Palghat after gauge conversion. The tracks are new as the top surface of the rails is not shiny. Open the comments at the top, the poster has explained what is the role of tamping to provide stability and explained clearly what you are seeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdYzdmAuS8g

You can see why the machine is called a duomatic as opposed to a monomatic :rotfl: Any guesses?

Incidentally the Podanur-Pollachi gauge conversion project is still on. This involves a very, very deep cutting that has taken a lot of time. The cutting was part of re-alignment of the existing MG tracks and to provide a softer gradient for the BG tracks which no doubt will carry a heavy load. This project is scheduled to be completed in a few months, perhaps by May CRS inspection should take place.

Goops!! CRS inspection Pollachi-Podanur is scheduled for February 2017, 31 km section will finally connect
CBE to Pollachi and reduce burden of commuters on the highway traveling to Coimbatore.
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 15 Jan 2017 03:25

arshyam wrote:^^ Krishna river already has 3 bridges near BZA, will they build a fourth then? If so, very good.

The funny thing is, the station before the river is called "Krishna Canal Jn.", but the river at 1.2 km is anything but a "canal" :).


Your message brought back a long forgotten memory. Yes of course you are right, there are 3 bridges. But next time you travel over the Krishna at Vijayawada, you will notice a fourth set of masonry piers, standing forlorn with no spans across it, perhaps crumbling a bit. This carried the original track, then single line to Chennai and over which I traveled as a young boy in the 1950's from the barbarian lands of the Doab. It is hard to imagine that Chennai-Delhi was single line. Also the "Krishna Canal Jn." you mention which was a substantial marshalling yard even in bygone days, was spelled "Kistna Canal Jn." and the old IR time tables and Newman's Bradshaw carried this quaint spelling. You might still see this spelling in derelict signal cabins there, which of course are slowly passing away into history with the advent of RRI and a centralized control system. The fourth bridge maybe will be useful for the oft touted Vijayawada bypass line to divert freight traffic away from the main station, at least that freight traffic that is going from Chennai towards Howrah or Chennai to Hyderabad/Delhi and towards Kazipet. These lines will see more action once Amravati the new capital of AP starts to take shape.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby srin » 15 Jan 2017 08:05

vsunder wrote:Bangalore-Hassan new Railway line update.

Before June 2016
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... ount=18722

After Dec 2016
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... ount=19108

Tamping of the ballast is done by Duomatic machines on IR and usually they cover 3km of track in
a single day. There are three rounds of tamping.


Single line only :( ? Or am I being too greedy given the torturous history of this line ?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby kvraghav » 15 Jan 2017 10:32

This Bangalore hassan route was subject to truck and private bus Mafia too. The gas trucks from MRPL and Bangalore -Mangalore private buses will be hit with this route and everything was done to delay this project.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Austin » 15 Jan 2017 13:11

Indian Railways' New 'Luxury' Chair Cars With Aircraft-Like Features


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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby viveks » 15 Jan 2017 16:10

I don't like the automatic doors concept. What about people who want to smoke? Or simply stand by the door and enjoy the views during the ghat, etc.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arvin » 15 Jan 2017 17:00

kvraghav wrote:This Bangalore hassan route was subject to truck and private bus Mafia too. The gas trucks from MRPL and Bangalore -Mangalore private buses will be hit with this route and everything was done to delay this project.


Dont know why but there is aversion to rail projects in KN state:

1.)Maximum stretch of single line of konkan railway is between Thokur and Byndooor(117 km).
Used that route last year and was frustrated with the stops to allow other trains to pass.
Kerala and Maharashtra are fully double except for 31km near sindhudurg, that can be excused
to hilly terrain. Kerala has plans to quadraple the tracks.

2.)Lukewarm response to subarban rail in BLR while supporting projects like steel flyover.
IT hotspots in BLR like ORR, Whitefield, Bagmane, EC, Hebbal, and now carmelaram have rail tracks
in their vicinity but cant be used for local trains as it is used in Mumbai or chennai.

3.)Most important link between Bangalore and Mumbai which is also single line after tumkur till belgaum??
things started moving only central gov applied danda last year as per link below.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/Land-acquisition-soon-for-rail-line-connecting-3-districts-to-Bengaluru/article14475220.ece

The State Cabinet approval for the project came recently after the Union government warned that it might have to shelve it if there was a further delay in land acquisition. A message was reportedly conveyed to the State authorities at a meeting on May 25.


If I am not mistaken, double lining of banglore-mysuru (south) and banglore-penunkonda (north) are being pushed after NDA central govt came to power.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby chilarai » 15 Jan 2017 18:13

viveks wrote:I don't like the automatic doors concept. What about people who want to smoke? Or simply stand by the door and enjoy the views during the ghat, etc.


smoking I think is not allowed on Indian railways anymore. I have seen RPF catching smokers near the toilet .

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby kvraghav » 15 Jan 2017 19:22

KA has less people outside except coastal people in Mumbai. The general voting public do not need trains that much, like they need road infrastructure. It is only now that BLR is getting crowded, they feel the need for a suburban train. Generally, KA people travel less than 500 kms max.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 15 Jan 2017 19:49

chilarai wrote:
viveks wrote:I don't like the automatic doors concept. What about people who want to smoke? Or simply stand by the door and enjoy the views during the ghat, etc.


smoking I think is not allowed on Indian railways anymore. I have seen RPF catching smokers near the toilet .


Yeah, it's been banned for more than a decade now. It's banned to smoke even on platforms.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 15 Jan 2017 23:19

This is a quantum jump in railway coach manufacturing capability. Goes to show if you have the right vision and right persons leading what can be done even in India. Maintenance is a big issue in India. hope they maintain these.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby SSharma » 16 Jan 2017 01:59

what i want to know is, how much jugaad is required to replace a broken laptop lcd with that railway lcd?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Sicanta » 16 Jan 2017 02:04

Austin wrote:Indian Railways' New 'Luxury' Chair Cars With Aircraft-Like Features



Tejas express i believe. First one is scheduled to ply between lucknow and Anand Vihar Delhi.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby saip » 16 Jan 2017 03:04

viveks wrote:I don't like the automatic doors concept. What about people who want to smoke? Or simply stand by the door and enjoy the views during the ghat, etc.

If they want to 'smoke' they can always step out and not get back in. You don't ask that question when you are flying from say SFO to DEL for almost 16 hours at a stretch.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Karthik S » 16 Jan 2017 03:08

This is a low hanging fruit. Will be great if they get this done.

http://www.freepressjournal.in/india/hi ... 19/1002756

The Indian Railways have identified 11 corridors for running the trains at a “semi-high speed” of 160 km per hour by 2019 and sought sanction of Rs 22,000 crore from the finance ministry in the upcoming union budget. The average speed of the high profile trains like Rajdhani is at present 88 to 90 km per hour.

The project envisages improvement of the rail tracks between Mumbai and Delhi, between Mumbai and Goa, Mumbai and Ahmedabad, Delhi-Kolkata, Nagpur-Hyderabad, Nagpur-Bilaspur, Chennai-Hyderabad, Chennai-Bengaluru, Delhi-Chandigarh, Delhi-Kanpur and Delhi-Agra. The Railways have already started a feasibility study to push for high speed on these routes, though not attaining the high-speed rail corridor between Mumbai and Ahmedabad to run the train at 200 km per hour.

The Railway Ministry sources said the first two tracks to be developed for speeding up the trains’ speed are between Delhi and Mumbai and Delhi and Kolkata. It will enable completion of the journey between Delhi and Mumbai in just 11 hours straight. Presently, the Mumbai Rajdhani takes 16 hours to cover a distance of 1400 km at an average speed of 88 km per hour. At present, only the Gatiman Express moves at a speed of 160 km per hour covering the distance of 188 km between Delhi (Nizamuddin) and Agra in one hour 40 minutes.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Jan 2017 09:40

Question - does anyone have an "average energy consumed per passenger-kilometer" versus "average train speed". Not that I'm worried about the power needs of high-speed trains, just curious.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Lilo » 16 Jan 2017 18:19

SSharma wrote:what i want to know is, how much jugaad is required to replace a broken laptop lcd with that railway lcd?

When every one is having smartphone or tablet or laptop these days what is the need for the stupid cheeni LCD ?
Utter waste! since they could have easily given just a three pin + USB socket(for data & recharging) with a robust on-off switch & left it at that.
I get shocked how our babu's manage to employ their vaunted jugaad skills at jacking up the tender cost to get a cut out of it.

Please someone msg to railmin or pmo to stop this railway robbery of installing lcd panels to each seat.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby SSharma » 16 Jan 2017 19:00

Lilo wrote:
SSharma wrote:what i want to know is, how much jugaad is required to replace a broken laptop lcd with that railway lcd?

When every one is having smartphone or tablet or laptop these days what is the need for the stupid cheeni LCD ?
Utter waste! since they could have easily given just a three pin + USB socket(for data & recharging) with a robust on-off switch & left it at that.
I get shocked how our babu's manage to employ their vaunted jugaad skills at jacking up the tender cost to get a cut out of it.

Please someone msg to railmin or pmo to stop this railway robbery of installing lcd panels to each seat.


saar, maybe it is to show videos of what to do in an "aapatkaleen stithi"

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 16 Jan 2017 19:03

Maybe you should ask RM to tear those fancy seats as well. Need to move passengers in wooden chairs and compete with US and China.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 16 Jan 2017 22:32

Bengaluru-Hassan New Line ready for Commissioning and Awaiting CRS inspection:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k ... 041668.ece

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Lilo » 16 Jan 2017 22:38

Supratik wrote:Maybe you should ask RM to tear those fancy seats as well. Need to move passengers in wooden chairs and compete with US and China.

Please to stop the strawman arguments.
I am talking about LCD's & you are bringing in chair quality.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 16 Jan 2017 23:04

The post was directed to sharma plus you.

What is the problem if they have it? International flights have it. The average Indian passenger doesn't travel with laptops and tablets. And what is with the second part of your post. Trying to eff a good initiative.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Lilo » 17 Jan 2017 01:01

Supratik wrote:The post was directed to sharma plus you.

What is the problem if they have it? International flights have it.
Yea international flight interiors based on iterative designs from 30-40 years ago.
Supratik wrote:The average Indian passenger doesn't travel with laptops and tablets.
Ohh really ?
And what is with the second part of your post. Trying to eff a good initiative.

Its not my problem if you can't comprehend.
The trains wont stop if they dont have a stupid LCD panel on each seat.
When people are going to use(some are already using) VR headsets for HD & 3D content through their smartphones & reclining in their chairs & watching or dozing off,some babu comes & claims that a LCD panel on the chair with the user crouched infront of the small screen craning his neck forward will do wonders for user experience on railways.Whats the use then of the wifi these tejas coaches are going to get ?

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 17 Jan 2017 09:58

Frankly, I don't understand what is your opposition. I will be more worried of them getting stolen.

The bottomline is that these coaches are a significant jump in IR manufacturing capability and we should appreciate that SP has been able to push IR in the right direction.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arshyam » 17 Jan 2017 10:55

One can never win. Any new features, someone will complain. No new features, then also someone else will complain.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby viveks » 17 Jan 2017 11:09

saip wrote:
viveks wrote:I don't like the automatic doors concept. What about people who want to smoke? Or simply stand by the door and enjoy the views during the ghat, etc.

If they want to 'smoke' they can always step out and not get back in. You don't ask that question when you are flying from say SFO to DEL for almost 16 hours at a stretch.


Cost of flying is also higher than regular journey by rail. I think it has been banned in a few states but not entirely in each and every part of the country. I cherish the rail journeys when I stand or sit by the open door and listen to the wonderful breeze the journey has to offer, even though I am traveling AC-2 tier. not being able to do that is not something I would not look forward to.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby ssundar » 17 Jan 2017 11:32

Automatic doors would save countless lives that are lost in accidents and wanton murder. This is a fundamental safety feature that must be in all trains.

I can see both sides of the argument on the LCD topic. Many (cheapo) airlines have chosen to side with WiFi plus BYOD instead of the good old IFE system. But that is a weight saving measure for airlines. Can't see that being a big hit in Indian trains. We don't have a 80%+ penetration of iPads and tablets in India. IFE systems can potentially be good income generating opportunities.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby suryag » 17 Jan 2017 11:47

One thing w.r.t LCDs that i dont understand is do you all carry 1 ipad/kid when you go on trave? i find giving these ipads to kids are a necessity while carrying 5 ipads a pain so am for this design

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 17 Jan 2017 20:55

It seems Kanpur train accident was a terrorist act. Identity of accused not revealed. Wonder if other accidents recently were similar cases.

http://www.india.com/news/india/isi-han ... t-1765495/

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby saip » 17 Jan 2017 21:44

suryag wrote:One thing w.r.t LCDs that i dont understand is do you all carry 1 ipad/kid when you go on trave? i find giving these ipads to kids are a necessity while carrying 5 ipads a pain so am for this design

I am more worried about the LCDs being stolen/damaged. That they are only in Executive class is good but then you never know who will be travelling in that class and they could be worse (like the third cousin of the fourth brother-in-law of a minister or mla). In some airlines (especially in domestic business class) they have a system of removable LCDs which they issue at the beginning of the flight and collect at the end. If they have a button for calling an attendant they probably have an attendant in the coach.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Lilo » 17 Jan 2017 22:06

^
Actually in the video - the general class is also shown to have LCD displays , the only difference b/w general class & the executive class as decided by the overseeing genius Babu is the reclining chair features (executive class has legsupport & extra head support) :roll:.
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A more detailed report on the Bihar police investigation into the kanpur train derailment.

Kanpur train tragedy: Trader from Nepal funded train derailment, find Bihar police
By Anand ST Das | Express News Service | Published: 17th January 2017

PATNA: The train derailment in Kanpur on November 21, in which 150 passengers were killed, might have been planned and funded by anti-India elements based in Dubai, according to a sensational disclosure by police in Bihar’s East Champaran district on Tuesday.

The arrest of three criminals linked to the planting of a bomb on the rail tracks in Bihar’s Raxaul district on October 1 has allowed police in East Champaran district a glimpse into a network of anti-India elements with likely links with Pakistan’s ISI paying money to criminals in India to carry out blasts and sabotage action on rail tracks in the country.

“The recovery of an improvised explosive device on on Raxaul-Sitamarhi route near Ghorasahan railway station on October 1, which disrupted train services for more than 12 hours, was funded by a Dubai-based trader from Nepal named Shamshul Hoda,” said East Champaran SP Jitendra Rana. “There is a possibility that the derailment of Indore-Patna Express and the Shealdah-Ajmer Express were also carried out by these people. Efforts are on to find out more details from the ongoing interrogation,” he added.

Moti Paswan, a criminal who is the main accused in the Ghorasahan case, and two others who were arrested have reportedly confessed to police that they were paid a “big amount” by Hoda to carry out blasts on rail tracks in north India. Police stumbled on the racket while investigating the murder of two Raxaul residents in Nepal.

Three people arrested in Nepal – Brijkishore Giri, Muzahid Ansari and Shambhu – and two other men were active in this group. Giri, the kingpin, had paid money to these people to carry out blasts on rail tracks near Ghorasahan. Umashankar Patel, Mukesh Yadav and Moti Paswan, who have been arrested, had received the money and given the bomb planting task to two other men,” said Rana.

After police detected and recovered the powerful IED and averted a major accident, the two men were punished for their failure. “They were taken to Nepal and brutally killed in a jungle there. Investigation into these two murders unravelled the sinister network,” said Rana.

Police are taking help of ATS and intelligence agencies to explore the entire extent of this network. “The involvement of some agencies from across the border has been detected. Further probe will expose the exact role of these agencies and the likelihood that they were behind the Kanpur derailment,” said Rana.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Supratik » 17 Jan 2017 22:16

How do you know? Like airlines they may have extra service.


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