Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Rishi_Tri wrote:Sorry to say, but Train 18 / Vande Bharat is very much in public memory.

Had a friend of mine travel from somewhere in South India to Ma Vaishno Devi in April, Yes, during the height of spread of China Virus.

He made it a point to board Vande Bharat from Delhi to Katra because he wanted to experience it. And it was wonderful.

People are travelling from all over India to ride Train 18 / Vande Bharat trains that run from Delhi.
I took this train from Jammu to Delhi last year. Only point to complain was that my seat was facing in opposite direction of train movement. It was a bit disorienting for first few minutes. Amenities were good, train was full and yet clean. Indian people in general are filthy parasites, so it had some trash in aisle and between seats after a few hours. But you can't blame railways for that. People need strict punishments and fines to improve things.

Surprisingly, it reached a few minutes before it's scheduled time. I never thought that I'd see anything like this in railways.
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jamwal wrote: Surprisingly, it reached a few minutes before it's scheduled time. I never thought that I'd see anything like this in railways.
The speed could be one factor, but such trains also are given higher precedence over other trains. Which means many commuter & goods trains would have been pulled into the sidings so that Vande Bharath Express could speed through :) . Remember reading that during early 1970s Coramandal Express was one such train; and it seems 7 stations ahead of the train were in the 'Line Clear' mode with all other trains pushed to the sidings.
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Those were the famous "board monitored" trains which used to get priority. Not sure if the concepts still exists.

The recent improvement in punctuality is a combination of factors: more infra in the areas with the worst congestion, post-lockdown track renewal and long pending maintenance due to which many speed restrictions have been eased, lesser traffic compared to before, and last but definitely not the least, an across the board generous increase in running time so trains have a lot more slack time, which can absorb accumulated delays. Most trains arrive before time at their destinations due to this, sometimes even as early as 30mins before!
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JNPT, get ready for your lunch taken away if MH doesn't drop its shenanigans for not fully supporting DFC and other infra projects.

Indin railways 1st electric train between Pipavav Port-Bhagat Ki Kothi on High Rise OHE
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There was a massive derailment on the newly commissioned EDFC between Etawah and Bhadan near Balrai a few days ago(on Khurja to Kanpur section). Its terrible wagons ripped up the tracks for quite a distance. Chalta hai attitude, running wagons with mechanical defects at high speeds and so nautanki will happen.
Did not post videos here as the usual rona dhona will start on this forum.

Maharashtra is a gone case. Farmers are holding up 12 km of effing railway electrification between Solapur and Bale to complete RE between Chennai and Mumbai. Man oh man, it is not even about getting land for a second track, the section is doubled, it is fixing poles for RE traction. So Chennai to Solapur doubled and electrified, Solapur to Bale 12 km no poles due to hafta vassoli giri, and then after Bale to CSMT electrified. Trains are coming from Chennai with both diesel and electric loco upto Solapur. Diesel takes over for a little bit and then electric again takes charge. It is not just DFC but also the continuing saga with the Aarey depot for Mumbai metro, the Japanese are getting very annoyed and project costs are increasing. Then High speed rail LA, DFC land etc etc.

RTI requests to railways are being turned down regarding RE on this remaining 12 km section near Solapur. I simply am bewildered, electric poles are on railway land so what is the problem with these farmers? TSS is at Solapur and built so it is not even constructing a feeder station.
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Uttam wrote:JNPT, get ready for your lunch taken away if MH doesn't drop its shenanigans for not fully supporting DFC and other infra projects.

Indin railways 1st electric train between Pipavav Port-Bhagat Ki Kothi on High Rise OHE
Let the erstwhile minor ports like Pipavav be the terminals for northern hinterland, and let Mumbai & JNPT handle Mumbai and interior MH regions industrial imports/exports. There is room for both. But yes, MH state should get firmly behind DFC & HSR both.
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Societies of some states are getting lumpenized and lawless -- TN, Bengal, Maharashtra, Punjab are some examples. Others like UP are improving.
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vsunder wrote: Farmers are holding up 12 km of effing railway electrification between Solapur and Bale to complete RE between Chennai and Mumbai. Man oh man, it is not even about getting land for a second track, the section is doubled, it is fixing poles for RE traction.
From what I have seen, Railways do ensure that they have adequate land on both sides of the tracks to enable them to fix signal poles, telephone poles and electrification poles as well. So why is it that in this 12kms I.R has to acquire land just to place electrification poles? Or is it the classic case of 'farmers' encroaching railway property?
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^^^ Railways has turned down an RTI request for information about the 12 km Solapur to Bale section. At the present time no foundations are seen for OHE poles on this section. After Bale wiring is done to Mohol essentially. Beyond Mohol to Pune RE is commissioned. So Bale to Mohol a distance of 27km is close to CRS for RE. Here is the latest video for September 2021. You can see the feeder station just at Solapur outer all ready and then no poles and no foundation for poles till one reaches Bale. Doubling is done upto Bhalwani and for the 55 km single line electrified section Bhalwani to Bhigwan doubling is going on (see video). Most likely this will be completed in a year and then Chennai to CSMT will be fully doubled. Rest of this route is electrified and doubled and sectional speeds in many parts upped to 130kmph taking advantage of COVID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzzeI12CEE


Madgaon to Sanvordem CRS got done yesterday for doubling with an authorized speed of 90kmph. Sanvordem to Kulem lot of rock cutting is done as this is ghat section, but LA problems in Goa is slowing the doubling. Kulem to Castle Rock through Dudhsagar Falls, SC and Green tribunal and Goanese have come together to halt doubling. Beyond Tinaighat to Hubli and Guntakal, doubled and by December completely RE as only Hubli yard remains for wiring. Hubli yard has seen a massive remodeling and extensions of several platforms added and station beautification. Hubli to Bangalore doubling is going on and RE, with Bangalore to Tumkur eloco trial 2 days ago. Possibly EMU service will start. 80km left to double essentially between Harihar and Hubli South out of 412km Bangalore to Hubli. RE work has started now too between Hubli and Bangalore. As I said Tumkur to Bangalore RE done and now poles coming up at many places between Tumkur and Arsikere.

Madgaon to Sanvordem 16km commissioning is on Oct 8/9 with interlocking work.

Samikhiali to Palanpur saw a whole lot of block sections doubled and electrified two days ago, so very little left now for doubling and electrification(with high height masts) between Kandla/Mundra ports and Palanpur and the WDFC. I think by next May all these Gujarat ports will be connected by doubled and electrified tracks to WDFC with masts capable of accepting double stack container traffic.


In SG and Raga land Gangaganj---Rai Bareli--Rupamau got doubled and electrified. Rae Bareli was a disgrace, old narrow platforms and no amenities. This is the parliamentary constituency of a major national leader. Many platforms at Rae Bareli had to be ripped up and new platforms constructed for doubling, new stabling and pit lines and doubling and RE finished via Amethi providing a second doubled and electrified line from Lucknow to Varanasi via Rae Bareli and Amethi. Speeds have been upped to 130kmph on the doubled track and a large number of stations ripped up and replaced with new buildings, amenities and high height platforms including Amethi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtyEdypdpfw

I really do not understand why people of this Rae Bareli returned SG to Lok Sabha for so many years.



Lucknow--Barabanki---Ayodhya is getting doubled and ready for semi--HSR also in this area with a new station building coming up at Ayodhya which will be ready by the time of UP elections.

The first section on Konkan railway Roha to Veer 44km doubling commissioned. RE is also done.
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Northern Railway operates first AC Parcel express train
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LUDHIANA: In a big development , Northern Railway operated its first AC Parcel express train on Friday. This train was operated from Sahnewal near Ludhiana( Ferozpur Division) to Yeshwantpur in South Western Railway sector.
Giving more information, Ashutosh Gangal, general manager, Northern Railway said, "The first AC parcel express train consisting of twenty 2nd AC/3rd AC coaches, carrying refrigerated cargo departed from Sanehwal, Ferozpur Division for Yeshwantpur in South Western Railway today on October 1st 2021 at 01. 45 hrs. This is for the first time ever that AC passenger carrying coaches (ICF/ Conventional passenger coaches) have been utilized for transporting cargo, weighing 121 tonnes consisting of edible snacks ,chocolates, raw material for chocolates , maggi noodles, sauce) and textiles etc"
Gangal appreciated the efforts and cooperation of all the officers and staff for operating the first AC Parcel express train.
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/22%C2 ... 77.7448443


This is the Itarsi bypass line being built. At the marked point a rail flyover is being built over the Itarsi---Khandwa---Mumbai line. If you follow the earthworks you see they originate at Powerkheda on the Itarsi--Bhopal line and ends at Jhujharpur on the Itarsi --Nagpur line. Freight, Rajdhanis(to Chennai/Hyderabad from Delhi) will no longer have to enter Itarsi and use the bypass line at MPS(maximum permissible speed) and with no slowing down or detention at signals. This will decongest busy Itarsi yard. Completion was scheduled for Dec 2021 but possibly delayed by 6months to a year due to Covid. Throughput at the heart of the IR network where major EW and NS lines meet will be speeded up. Itarsi bypass line explained.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XhfdRqkwn0

Also Gooty to Kalluru doubling will be commissioned in the first week of October. This is on the Bangalore to Mumbai/Hyderabad line. Right now Bangalore to Devrapalli is doubled and electrified. Devrapalli---Hindupur--Penukonda doubling under construction. Penukonda---Dharmavaram---Anantapur doubling under construction. Rest doubled. Farmers are giving problems in Andhra Pradesh near Penukonda for land. Also AP Govt has reneged on giving money for this project. This is what happens when stupid individuals are voted into office. CM of AP just screwed up the Kadapa to Bangalore new line. Line is being built, now he wants massive track re-alignment to go through his hometown, and he has put a damper on the project. So construction is stopped. Plans and surveys were made long ago cannot just change it. I suppose CM has engineers to advise him, so what gives. Jaise praja in AP waise he raja hota hai. Seems like a feudal state.


https://www.newindianexpress.com/states ... 66149.html
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Maersk has started from today “ Freight Rail Express” a dedicated freight moving service from Dadri container depot in NCR to Mundra/ Adani port in Gujarat with a 60 hour guaranteed delivery time. Uses WDFC upto Palanpur. Once the Rewari to Dadri WDFC section is complete, freight should reach Mundra in< 36 hours. First rake was hauled by the new GE diesels since electrification is not fully over or under test upto Palanpur on WDFC and beyond Palanpur to Samikhiyali still a few block sections are single line and RE incomplete. Samikhiyali to Gandhidham and Kandla port doubled.
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vsunder wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/place/22%C2 ... 77.7448443


This is the Itarsi bypass line being built. At the marked point a rail flyover is being built over the Itarsi---Khandwa---Mumbai line. If you follow the earthworks you see they originate at Powerkheda on the Itarsi--Bhopal line and ends at Jhujharpur on the Itarsi --Nagpur line. Freight, Rajdhanis(to Chennai/Hyderabad from Delhi) will no longer have to enter Itarsi and use the bypass line at MPS(maximum permissible speed) and with no slowing down or detention at signals. This will decongest busy Itarsi yard. Completion was scheduled for Dec 2021 but possibly delayed by 6months to a year due to Covid. Throughput at the heart of the IR network where major EW and NS lines meet will be speeded up. Itarsi bypass line explained.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XhfdRqkwn0

Also Gooty to Kalluru doubling will be commissioned in the first week of October. This is on the Bangalore to Mumbai/Hyderabad line. Right now Bangalore to Devrapalli is doubled and electrified. Devrapalli---Hindupur--Penukonda doubling under construction. Penukonda---Dharmavaram---Anantapur doubling under construction. Rest doubled. Farmers are giving problems in Andhra Pradesh near Penukonda for land. Also AP Govt has reneged on giving money for this project. This is what happens when stupid individuals are voted into office. CM of AP just screwed up the Kadapa to Bangalore new line. Line is being built, now he wants massive track re-alignment to go through his hometown, and he has put a damper on the project. So construction is stopped. Plans and surveys were made long ago cannot just change it. I suppose CM has engineers to advise him, so what gives. Jaise praja in AP waise he raja hota hai. Seems like a feudal state.


https://www.newindianexpress.com/states ... 66149.html
In AP it simply means that own land is being upvalued by a huge margin by the track realignment and humongous real estate purchases would have been made in advance. This is a plan hatched with sympathetic inputs from railways employed desert cultists

the principal actors are well known for such dealings and they have a coterie that will benefit enormously.
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^^^ LA for doubling projects etc only run into problems in AP, MH, WB and Kerala etc. Pune to Miraj doubling and RE all the way to Belagavi and then Londa and on to Hubli is having LA problems for 78 ha under Central Railway in MH. Till Feb 2021 this was not resolved for a doubling project scheduled to be completed in 2023. Baramati kaka controls some of this area as also Solapur area.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 676156.cms

What's with the younger Thakre going to the MMRDA offices and playing with laser pointers. Did he have a deprived childhood with no toys? This forum was full of shills and pimps for SS, seems they have found religion on twitter.
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vsunder saar, thanks for your timely updates on IR projects. Helps some of us who want but can't keep up with IR developments info...
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vsunder wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/place/22%C2 ... 77.7448443

This is the Itarsi bypass line being built. At the marked point a rail flyover is being built over the Itarsi---Khandwa---Mumbai line. If you follow the earthworks you see they originate at Powerkheda on the Itarsi--Bhopal line and ends at Jhujharpur on the Itarsi --Nagpur line. Freight, Rajdhanis(to Chennai/Hyderabad from Delhi) will no longer have to enter Itarsi and use the bypass line at MPS(maximum permissible speed) and with no slowing down or detention at signals.
Will this serve both directions or only towards the north? I assume the bypass is single tracked (aerial photo has a single tracked bridge section which has been constructed). If is designed to serve both directions, will it not block the main lines while a train crosses over to the "wrong direction" of traffic and then crosses back?
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@Zynda: Thanks

Yes the bypass line is a single line. IR is typical. They base their construction on outmoded traffic estimates that are easily exceeded when the project is finished since the sanctioning, planning and construction takes so long. Then if they want to double, the cost rises astronomically. Here the entire Chennai to Delhi line is being tripled. Bina---Bhopal---Itarsi is basically tripled except for a small section in the ghats of Vindhya between Budni and Barkheda. If you see the aerial shots you will see the commissioned third line. Towards Nagpur some block sections are also third lined. The third line is bi-directional and also the bypass line is bi-directional. I believe that the third line is one nearest to the bypass line. So freight bypassing Itarsi can be sent on the third line and take the bypass. Passenger trains will be essentially Durontos and Rajdhanis that currently skip Itarsi. I am not sure if they will have a spur from the bypass to the Khandwa line. What puzzles me is the plethora of cabins at Itarsi, A,B,...F cabin etc. They should re-model the yard and have a centralized control. This is the famous Itarsi where a fire in the RRI cabin in 2015 brought IR to its knees. Fortunately with the re-gauging and RE of the Jabalpur to Gondia narrow gauge section via Samnapur, distance from South India to North India points like Varanasi, Prayagraj, Gorakhpur, Lucknow etc has been reduced by not only 250km and 6 hours of travel, but those trains no longer enter Itarsi. Itarsi has the OFB propellant factory outside it at Pipariya and further down on the Itarsi-Nagpur section a huge IAF munitions depot at Amla Jn which by the way is an acronym.

Some extent of how IR functions can be seen from the saga of the Katni grade separator. This is a huge infra project and will become the longest rail over rail flyover in India. Coal and mineral ore trains congest Katni, a huge yard. Both Katni and Itarsi have diesel and electric sheds. They wanted to decongest Katni and smoothen the flow of freight from it, as rakes are held up for days here. So the idea of a grade separator. The need was voiced in 2005. Planning and sanctioning started 2011, nothing, nothing. 2016 again noise made, more planning and finally tendering. L&T won it and finally piling work started 2021. 16 effing years later.

https://twitter.com/railminindia/status ... 0503773184

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2nJAqthrgY


https://www.patrika.com/katni-news/coun ... d-6645053/

Suresh Prabhu was the finest rail minister we have had, bar none. Almost every single infra project and what the railways is today, starts with his initiative. Station re-development and getting the DFCs going and the capacity augmentation and replacing worn out rails. Piyush Goyal was very flamboyant but he carried out the initiatives of Suresh Prabhu. The current guy and his two acolytes are duds. Can you believe the lady Darshana something, goes on an inspection trip inside the Rishikesh-Karnaprayag tunnel construction site wearing a rich zari dress as if going to a dance. But it is the tweets of these bozos that is demented. Suresh Prabhu you knew see ^^^ what he had in mind and good or bad he had a vision and policy. That was because he was a seasoned administrator. Same with Gadkari. You might disagree with him but he makes sure people know what his policy is. The rail mantri nothing and his acolytes nothing. His tweets say nothing what he wants to do and 90% of the time it is about non-railway stuff and not his brief. Never tweets about his brief damn it, it is THE RAILWAYS. Shows that degrees from shady engineering colleges or that glorified community college IIT Kanpur(yeah I was there and it is just that) and Wharton mean nothing. Suresh Prabhu and Gadkari have none of this pedigree and they delivered.

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New Pamban bridge between mainland and Rameshwaram under construction. It will be for a double line with a vertical lift to allow ships to pass through. I am not sure how this works as the line will be electrified. What happens to the traction wires when the bridge is raised?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWW9E3vj1sI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neN0Xgrkx68

Metroman Sreedharan shot to fame because of this bridge. In 1964 a violent cyclone blew away a train further down between Rameshwaram and Dhanuskodi. That line has never been repaired, though PM Modi did announce it would. The Pamban bridge ^^^ was also badly damaged. Sreedharan and his crew repaired in 46 days what was then planned as a 3 month project. Since then his star has never set.
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Sachin wrote:
vsunder wrote: Farmers are holding up 12 km of effing railway electrification between Solapur and Bale to complete RE between Chennai and Mumbai. Man oh man, it is not even about getting land for a second track, the section is doubled, it is fixing poles for RE traction.
From what I have seen, Railways do ensure that they have adequate land on both sides of the tracks to enable them to fix signal poles, telephone poles and electrification poles as well. So why is it that in this 12kms I.R has to acquire land just to place electrification poles? Or is it the classic case of 'farmers' encroaching railway property?
or is it the usual affected party which blocks rail connectivity, the Govt / Pvt Bus transport lobby.
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In A First, Indian Railways Successfully Operates Long-Haul Freight Trains Over South Central Railway

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/in-a ... al-railway
Long haul trains, which are twice or multiple times longer than the normal composition of freight trains,
provide a very effective solution to the problem of capacity constraints in critical sections.
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Railways launch two long haul freight trains 'Trishul', 'Garuda'.

The Indian Railways has launched two long haul freight trains "Trishul" and "Garuda" -- which are twice or multiple times longer than the normal composition of freight trains. These long haul trains provide a very effective solution to the problem of capacity constraints in critical sections.

Trishul is South Central Railway (SCR)'s first long haul train comprising three freight trains, i.e. 177 wagons. This train was launched on Thursday from Kondapalli station of Vijayawada division to Khurda division of East Coast Railway.

SCR followed it up with running of yet another similar train 'Garuda' on Friday from Raichur of Guntakal division to Manuguru of Secunderabad division.
Both the long haul trains comprised of empty open wagons for loading of coal meant for predominantly thermal power stations.

SCR is one of the five major freight loading railways in Indian Railways. Bulk of SCR's freight traffic moves in certain arterial routes such as Visakhapatnam-Vijayawada-Gudur-Renigunta, Ballarshah-Kazipet-Vijayawada, Kazipet-Secunderabad-Wadi, Vijayawada-Guntur-Guntakal sections.

Saving of path across congested routes, quicker transit time, maximizing throughput of critical sections, saving in crews are the major operational benefits of running long haul trains, which help the Indian Railways to serve its freight customers better.
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^^^ As I have explained many times, this is jhoomla and jugaad. They ran a 2.3 km long train with empty rakes for 72km on Guntakal division. You can do so when there is no traffic. You cannot use a loop line if a faster train like a Rajdhani overtakes you. Loop lines on IR are about 900m. Even with less traffic running it for 72km is a joke. The duds at Swarajya magazine are generally clueless about several issues.

Anyhow CRS has given the green light to run elocos upto Guwahati a first. Trains from Delhi etc can run on electric traction till Guwahati. The Jalpaiguri to Guwahati line is also close to being doubled. In the neck a few days ago a long section from Gumanihat to Kolaigram(between Alipur Duar and New Jalpaiguri) doubling was commissioned. Disrupted traffic to NE due to the traffic blocks. In about 18 months FEDL to Guwahati maybe.

https://twitter.com/KEC_Intl/status/1447128284697808896
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The situation about WDFC in MH does not look good. It seems unlikely they will meet the new deadlines. Lot of work remains. See this progress near Vasai and on the Sachin(Surat/Gujarat) to Palghar(where the Swamis were murdered) to Vaitarna MH section. I am very pessimistic.


December 2022 seems tough to complete WDFC in MH, month old videos:


First video near Vasai Rd. Second video Sachin (Gujarat) to Vaitarna MH.

https://youtu.be/6qRml6oq2Io

https://youtu.be/W1YrwXl_Uq4
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It now seems that 26km Bhalwani to Washimbe doubling on the Chennai to Mumbai line is close to CRS in a month. With commissioning that 29km of doubling remains between Chennai and Mumbai and 12km of electrification where the "farmers" hafta vassoli crowd is screwing things. With this doubling being commssioned Washimbe to Bhalwani scissors crossings on IR as at Pophlaj are now history. You can see the new station and platforms at Pophlaj.

https://youtu.be/jTTHMvT3hTQ


With this 29km of doubling remains between Chennai and Mumbai and about 12km of electrification. No movement on electrification between Bale and Solapur 12km. With commissioning Bhalwani to Washimbe, the last of the scissors crossings at Pophlaj (see new station and platforms at Pohlaj in the video)is history and no scissors crossings remain on IR.
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And now in that other dysfunctional State Andhra Pradesh. Bangalore ---Hindupur---Penukonda---Dharmavaram etc....

Devarapalli and Hindupur one block section, SWR announces diversion and traffic block Nov 9-20th to commission doubling on the Bangalore---Hindupur---Penukonda---Gooty line and onwards to Mumbai , Hyderabad and Delhi. AP govt and farmers created trouble at Rangepalli, LA issues. AP Govt is still not paying the money for this line and the others like Kadapa-Bangalore new line. Video shows that the Rangepalli farmer issue may have been sorted out and the rest of Hindupur to Penukonda doubling may be commissioned in 6 months. SCR has also taken traffic block on this route to commission Gooty to Kalluru doubling. So trains from Bangalore to Hyderabad, Bangalore to Mumbai and Delhi most likely can be speeded up as a significant part will be doubled and electrifified.

The NI work ^^^ is for one block section only Devarapalli to Hindupur about 7-8km. Track linking etc was done a while back and then SWR went to sleep. There are agitating farmers near Rangepalli who have held up progress. Recent video:( a week old video) It seems impossible they can have the formation work, track linking and OHE done in missing sections between Penukonda and Hindupur esp near Rangepalli in less than a month. Rangepalli is clearly where the delay is, clearly seen in the video. See below too news article about LA. 2:12 onwards no track and no masts either. Malugur and Chakrapalli stations and yards are also incomplete. Video posted Sept 30, 2021,

https://youtu.be/s0jSX2eZrAg


https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities ... 34104.html



On top of this comes more exciting news:


https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/ ... 742796.cms

And people want Vande Bharat between Bungleuru and Hoiderabad, SWR has not even called tenders between Dharmavaram and Penukonda in Oindra Pradesh for doubling^^^ because of Rah rah Rasputin goberment and farmers. Sadak nahi hai aur Lamborghini chalawa.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/drmgtl/statu ... 6840967177

And this man tweets about this silliness. Why dont IR or rail mantri tweet about the massive derailment on EDFC when the tracks got torn up for a large distance running a lizard at 80 kmph?
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This is a bit old 2 months. Roha to Veer on Konkan Railway 44km doubled and electrification commissioned. First section on Konkan railway to be doubled.


This is more recent in the last day or two. Madgaon---Chandergaon---Sanvordem in Goa under SWR 16km doubling commissioned. Sanvordem to Kulem ghats start , LA problems and pushback by Goans has put brakes on the work. Beyond Kulem, in Dudhsagar falls, SC and Green tribunal has banned doubling after a SC appointed committee went and pottered around. Tinaighat onwards all doubled and RE to Hubli and Guntakal. Hubli yard wiring left and should be commissioned by December.


Part of amenities improvement as part of doubling at Madgaon(Goa express first train on the new double line)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1447937395962351617


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1447199291307663365


CR has announced traffic block Oct 14-28, to commission Bhalwani to Washimbe double line and electrification, see video I posted. So now really 29km left to double between CSMT and Chennai. They should use the traffic block not only to commission the section and do the necessary non-interlocking work, but also to launch the girders on the three bridges that remain on the left over 29km section, esp. the Bhima bridge between Bhigwan to Jinti Rd. that has 13 spans and do necessary cut and connect preliminary work wherever needed in that 29km section.
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vsunder ji. just wanted to let you know that I follow your updates every day and look forward to your nuggets of insights.
would it possible for you to succintly put some major differences that the present GoI has brought in the railway infra development? perhaps we can circulate that when the time comes (ahem ahem - electionwa)
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@Bharathp: Thanks for your positive words. Perhaps younger people like you should take the initiative and cull various posts made by me and others and prepare a document or video. I am very inept at these things.

In the meanwhile here is the progress of doubling and RE between Hyderabad and Bengaluru.

1. Hyderbad to Mahbubnagar which forms part of the Hyderabad suburban system other than about 25 km between Mahbubnagar and Gollapalli where doubling work is ongoing rest is doubled. Distance 110km.

2. Mahbubnagar---Kurnool---Dhone work of doubling is slow. RE between Kurnool and Dhone watch video. Kurnool produces much agricultural produce.


3. Dhone---Pendekallu---Gooty. Part of the Vijayawada to Goa doubling and RE project. Dhone to Pendekallu doubled and electrified, watch video. Beyond Gooty doubled to Tinaighat (via Hubli)on Karnataka/Goa border and also electrified. Works are really taking place beween Tenali---Guntur ---Dhone with several sections doubled and electrified. Ports on east like Machilipatnam, Kakinada etc will have good connectivity with Mumbai, Goa etc. Distance between Dhone and Gooty 54 km

4. Gooty to Hindupur distance 180km electrified line but single in parts. Carries traffic out of Bangalore to Delhi/Hyderabad and Mumbai.

Hindupur to Bangalore doubled and electrified line.

5. Gooty to Hindupur lies in AP and Gooty to Dharmavaram is in SCR zone and rest to Bangalore SWR. Dharmavarm to Penukonda LA problems in AP have hampered doubling. There are twin single lines connecting Dharmavaram and Penukonda, one of the single lines goes through Puttaparthi, Sai Baba's place. Penukonda to Hindupur doubling and RE I covered in the video above 6-7 months for completion.

In this post I am posting videos on works going on in SCR of doubling between Gooty and Dharmavaram, that are now 65% complete for doubling.

Apart from the Dhone---Kurnool---Mahbubnagar single line section (180 km) and Dharmavaram---Penukonda section(42 km) the rest will be doubled and electrified in 7-8 months. The single line sections of about 200+ km have to be doubled, track improved at several places in Telangana, Dhone to Mahbubnagar and possibly then Train-18 can be run between Hyderabad to Bangalore.

1. Mahbubnagar to Kacheguda/Hyderabad

https://youtu.be/3ymliEeIYx8

2. Gooty---Kalluru CRS on Gooty to Dharmavaram section, happened this month

summary
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hy ... 954435.ece

https://youtu.be/Khrmoe8OhNI

3. Dhone to Pendekallu on Dhone to Gooty

https://youtu.be/JgAmib96A0Q

4. Anantapur to Dharmavaram

https://youtu.be/X8uD0gatobk


5. Kurnool to Dhone RE only going on, needs to be doubled as soon as possible for T-18 service between Bangalore and Hyderabad.

https://youtu.be/S7Ljqt1mY7c
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Cut and connect work part of Phase-I of doubling occurred under 8 hour traffic block at Ammasandra yard on the Bangalore to Hubli doubling project on Monday. This is 470km and a perfect contender for Train-18 Bangalore to Belagavi. Hubli has gotten a huge new station, massive extensions of platforms and amenities and wiring in last stages. Belagavi also they demolished the old station and a new one is coming up. Wiring has started and doubling as it is on the Pune to Londa--Hubli line fast being doubled.

Nittur---Banasandra 20km left for doubling on the 400 km Bangalore to Haveri section that is now doubled. Haveri to Hubli 80km under doubling construction. RE has started along the Hubli to Bangalore route. The first section that will go for CRS for RE is Bangalore to Tumkur where loco trials at 110 kmph have been taking place with elocos. This is already doubled. CRS will happen by monthend and possibly MEMU suburban trains will also start between Bangalore and Tumkur. CRS for electrification will also happen on the Bangalore--Hosur ----Salem route which is partly electrified around Bangalore. New sections have been electrified near Salem.

Here is a video of the 20km doubling Nittur to Banasandra, they had to break the compound wall of that cement factory at Amasandra and do formation work and do cut and connect to fix the alignment to re-model the yard a bit. All this work will be finished by late December and Bangalore to 385km Devaragudda fully doubled. Devaragudda --Haveri---Hubli 85 km may take till December next year. RE another 1.5 years from Tumkur to Hubli.

SWR now has from 0 a year ago to 47 elocos in its KJR shed, 23 WAG-9H freight and the rest 24 WAP-7 passenger, gone, gone Diesel EMDs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441973569852821506


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZixoEuPLz7g&t=1s


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1443871575577554948


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1447561519340789765

SWR has announced that of the sections left to double between Hubli and Bangalore 470km their plan is

(a) 22km Nittur to Banasandra Dec 2021-Jan 2022.

(b) 29 km Haveri to Yelvigi (new station building and new alignment to massively straighten the line at Yalvigi from colonial MG times) by April 2022

(c) 22 km Yalvigi to Saunshi by April 2022

(b),(c) questionable???

(d) 24 km Devaragudda to Haveri

(e) 21 km Hubli South to Saunshi

(d),(e) by March 2023.

Rest of the 470km is doubled and commissioned. Work entirely done after 2014.

RE work started on the remaining portion from Tumkur to Hubli. Hubli itself RE in final stages, wiring going on in yard. Wiring also going on between Tinaighat and Vasco in Goa to completely finish RE coast to coast. Thats all thats left for RE.
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DPR for Rail flyover mooted at Prayagraj that will save time

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1447516612194537475
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Sevok--Rangpo Line

This railway line branches out from an existing IR line between New Jalpaiguri---Siliguri ---Alipur Duar at Sivok or Sevok station in WB and ends at Rangpo station in Sikkim. Line length is 44km out of which 40km are in WB and about 4 km in Sikkim. Approximately 38-39km of this line will be tunnels. Most of the rest are viaducts. Several stations like at Teesta Bazaar will be inside tunnels. Kalimpong will not be a station on the line. Teesta Bazaar is the nearest station to Kalimpong on the line. Rangpo is 38km from Gangtok and 21 km from the Pakyong airport in Sikkim. There was an accident in July and two construction workers lost their lives and about 7 were seriously injured. Here is the situation for Tunnel number 1 which starts at the yard of Sivok station:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u-XJ5x8vb8

^^^ Guy is enthusiastic.
Current road to Gangtok is too narrow and bounded by the Teesta on one side with steep cliff faces which block the roads in the heavy monsoon here which triggers numerous landslides and rockfalls, hampering movement of the Army towards Nathu La.
Construction ends 2026.

14 tunnels, 28 bridges, longest tunnel 5.1km.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449739658582134784
They seem to have energized and operationalized electric traction on WDFC upto Palanpur and thereby electric traction to Pipavav port and beyond.
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With CRS clearing the third line between Tambaram and Guduvancheri on the Southern arm of the Chennai suburban system a few days ago, Tambaram to Chingleput 31km is third lined. This allows MEMU trains to run more efficiently. Chingleput is the last station for MEMU trains, while Villupuram beyond is the outer limit of the Chennai suburban system. They want to 4-line Madras Fort and Madras Beach to Egmore but as usual there is LA problems with the Defence department, SBI and a recalcitrant State Govt. to contend with. The track utilization on this busy section was above 100% and so commissioning the third line will bring relief to not only the local train users but trains towards Madurai, Trichy and Dindigul etc from Chennai Egmore will not have to be detained as much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUzlwz0Aqw

PS: Operational Control Center for WDFC is coming up at Ahmedabad. This is the counterpart to the EDFC control center at Prayagraj.
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CRS inspection of Phase-I Dhansiri-Shokhuvi rail line of the Dhansiri to Zubza (Kohima) line in Nagaland. Happened Oct 23.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsxfjHJ71A8

Phase-I is 16km. Remaining phases are Sukhovi to Khaibong 30km Phase-II and the last phase Khaibong to Zubza/Kohima 45km. As usual State govt dragging its feet with LA. Same old, same old......
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vsunder wrote:With CRS clearing the third line between Tambaram and Guduvancheri on the Southern arm of the Chennai suburban system a few days ago, Tambaram to Chingleput 31km is third lined. This allows MEMU trains to run more efficiently. Chingleput is the last station for MEMU trains, while Villupuram beyond is the outer limit of the Chennai suburban system. They want to 4-line Madras Fort and Madras Beach to Egmore but as usual there is LA problems with the Defence department, SBI and a recalcitrant State Govt. to contend with. The track utilization on this busy section was above 100% and so commissioning the third line will bring relief to not only the local train users but trains towards Madurai, Trichy and Dindigul etc from Chennai Egmore will not have to be detained as much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUzlwz0Aqw

PS: Operational Control Center for WDFC is coming up at Ahmedabad. This is the counterpart to the EDFC control center at Prayagraj.
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I have a doubt. Can't the MRTS line between Madras Beach Station to Velachery when extended to St Thomas Mount (Railway line connecting Velachery to St Thomas Mount is just a matter of time) be used to avoid the congestion between Beach and Egmore?
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vsunder wrote:PS: Operational Control Center for WDFC is coming up at Ahmedabad. This is the counterpart to the EDFC control center at Prayagraj.
Is Operational Control Centre a kind of centralised 'section controlling' & signal management? IR slowly needs to get into these centralised signal controls which itself can add to betterment of the running time. The current process of every single SM, taking 'Line clear' permission for every single train (and light engines) from the Section Controller on phone is really a time consuming process.
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The OCC at Prayagraj is a centralized center with huge screens that has the ability to control all movement on the EDFC from Khurja to Bhaupur and from DDU to Chiralipaithu a little beyond Dehri-on-Sone. When the line is built to Dankuni, it too will be under the eye of OCC at Prayagraj. It has the ability to control signals too, loading on the traction electric network and other parameters . I do not know if it will also control the single line section Sahnewal(Ludhiana) to Khurja when that becomes operational. The OCC does not control traffic on the parallel Delhi-Howrah line. Many of the important yards on the Delhi-Howrah line underwent re-modeling over the Covid hiatus and equipment was replaced with modern electronic switching equipment replacing electromechanical relays and moved over to centralized switching and signal setting for that particular yard like at Tundla, Kanpur and so on. This has increased throughput in the yards, but no there is no equivalent centralized control center for IR operations on the Delhi-Howrah line like what the DFCs have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVoMcmaRzt4

EDFC has been broken up into 7 sub-sections each with its own screen at the OCC. Of course some sub-sections are non-functional like between Dankuni (WB) and New Gomoh(Jharkhand).
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Vehicle with 160 tyres used to move a 350t girder to launch on the Sohna viaduct on the Dadri-Rewari section of the WDFC that loops around NCR connecting EDFC and WDFC.

https://twitter.com/dfccil_india/status ... 1462942729

See ^^^ my earlier post that has a video simulation of traveling between Dadri and Rewari on the WDFC and over the Sohna viaduct which is extremely long.
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Train to Zubza/Kohima(Nagaland)

Project is running a minimum of 2 years late. Phase I ^^^ was to have been commissioned in 2019. Second phase was scheduled to be over Dec 2020. Third phase December 2021. Now the second phase possibly will be over by March 2023 if at all. Covid put a damper as there was zero supply of industrial oxygen for welding and cutting purposes. Bad weather also hampers work for a major portion of the year.

Longest tunnel is 6.4km long at Chaphema. Tunnels 1A 140m done, Tunnels 2(180m),3 (866 m)done. Tunnel 1 is 3.4 km and at 900m they had hit poor rocks and water, that had made the progress hard. Optimistically a date of Dec 2022 was given as the completion date for Tunnel 1. Tunnels 4, 5 are being constructed by Bharatia Infra Projects.

Total line length 82 km. Phase 1 17km done. Phase II 17-44km. 19 tunnels, 200 bridges. Project initiated by Suresh Prabhu in 2016. Tunnels constitute 26km of the 82km line.

Phase 2 is from Sukhovi to Pherima 28km on which 28% of the construction is over. The end of the line at Zubza is 17km from Kohima city center.
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