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ldev wrote:Is Talgo supplying the locomotives for this train? Or will they use the WAP5? Or is this Talgo a EMU trainset?

chetak wrote: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/high ... 49547.html

A senior rail ministry official said the average cost of manufacturing LHB coaches is around Rs 2.75 crore for each unit while the Talgo trains cost only Rs 1.7 crore per coach. This will help railways save at least Rs 1 crore per coach besides saving upto 30 per cent of electricity as compared to the trains being used in India.

Sachin wrote:

ldev wrote:Is Talgo supplying the locomotives for this train? Or will they use the WAP5? Or is this Talgo a EMU trainset?

From the image of the Talgo raked given here, looks like it is a "train set". Notice the front coach. That coach as two set of wind shields etc. This most likely for the driver to operate the train. Have seen similar rakes in UK. If another train set gets added to this one, the driver's cab here would just get locked up, and the vestibules etc. would all get connected up.

JTull wrote:These are planned to be tested with an Indian locomotive.

prashanth wrote:Isn't it the same company whose train toppled around a bend in 2013? Hope IR treads carefully on this track.

Sachin wrote:Why should they test this with an Indian loco? If the "train set" actually shown in the photograph is coming here; looks like it is an EMU and would have the driving mechanism in the rake itself.

Facilities of Cancellation of PRS counter tickets through IRCTC
website and 139 & Acceptance of International Debit and Credit
Cards launched

Railway Minister announces two more passenger friendly services namely \

(i) Cancellation of PRS counter tickets through IRCTC website and 139
(ii) Acceptance of International Debit and Credit Cards for payment for e-ticketing through IRCTC website

Working on the fast track to implement Rail Budget Announcements of 2016-17 ranging from improving passenger amenities to infrastructure development, Minister of Railways Shri Suresh Prabhkar Prabhu in a programme held today i.e. 29.04.2016 at Rail Bhawan inaugurated two very important budget announcements of (i) Cancellation of PRS counter tickets through IRCTC website and 139(IVRS & SMS) and (ii) Acceptance of International Debit and Credit Cards for payment for e-ticketing through IRCTC website. Shri Manoj Sinha, Minister of State for Railway was specially present to grace the occasion. Chairman, Railway Board, Shri A.K. Mittal, Member Traffic, Railway Board, Shri Mohd. Jamshed and other Board Members were present on the occasion.

Speaking on the occasion about these services, Shri Suresh Prabhakar Prabhu, said that the Indian Railways is the second largest commercial organization of the world which has lot of challenges before it becomes of world standard. He said that Railways is a big organization and its some areas need complete revamping and thus multiple strategies need to adopted and implemented to improve in all spheres. He said that Railways income generation and expenditure needs to be accounted closely so that there can be best use of the public money. He said that Railways principal source of revenue is freight and passenger fares which is 2/3 and 1/3 respectively and thus Railways’ development in all respect depends solely on the improvement of its both these services. He said that the service of Cancellation of PRS counter tickets through IRCTC website & 139 and Acceptance of International Debit and Credit Cards for payment for e-ticketing through IRCTC website is a step towards digital technology which will reduce cash handling. He assured more passenger friendly services in the coming time.

Speaking on the occasion, Minister of State for Railways Shri Manoj Sinha said that development of Railways is not a single-handed task and thus concerted efforts are necessary which railway personnel are doing day and day out. In a very short span of time of around two months, as many as 8 budget announcements have been fully implemented by the Railway Ministry which has been possible by the mechanised system.

Salient Features Of the Schemes Launched : -
Cancellation of PRS counter tickets through IRCTC website and through 139 (IVRS and SMS)

Purpose:

To facilitate passengers having confirmed PRS counter tickets to cancel the ticket within the permitted time limit under Refund Rule 2015. PRS counter tickets can be cancelled through:

(i) IRCTC website (http://www.irctc.co.in) or
(ii) 139

The permissible refundable amount shall be collected only at the journey commencing station or nearby satellite PRS locations defined by Zonal Railway within the prescribed time limit.

Facility Available only for Fully confirmed system tickets:
· In normal circumstances only and not in case of late running of trains/cancellation of trains etc.,
· Where the mobile number has been given at the time of booking the ticket.
· Upto 4 hours before the scheduled departure of the train.

Collection of Refund Amount

· Refund of fare amount shall be collected only at the journey commencing station or nearby satellite PRS locations defined by Zonal Railway as under:-

(a) During first two hours of the opening of PRS counters on the next day for the tickets for the trains whose scheduled departure time is (i) between 1801 hours and 0600 hours.
(b) Upto 4 hours after the scheduled departure of the train during the working hours of PRS counters/current counters/special counters where cancellation is permitted round the clock on the tickets for the trains whose scheduled departure time is (i) between 0601 hours and 1800 hours.
(c) No refund of amount would be given after the above mentioned prescribed time limit.

Benefits:

Apart from cancellation across PRS counter, the passengers having confirmed PRS counter ticket can cancel the same within the prescribed time limit as per Refund Rule 2015 as under:-
(i). Through IRCTC website (http://www.irctc.co.in)
(Steps how to cancel confirmed PRS counter ticket is placed at Annexure-I Below) or
(ii) Through 139
(Steps how to cancel confirmed PRS counter ticket is placed at Annexure-II Below)

CANCELLATION THROUGH IRCTC WEBSITE: (Annexure-I)

* A new page will be given on IRCTC website (http://www.irctc.co.in) without any login ID for purpose of cancellation of PRS counter tickets.
* Passenger will be asked to enter the PNR number & Train number along with captcha.
* The details entered by passenger shall be validated and an OTP will be sent to the passenger to his mobile number given at the time of booking the ticket. The OTP received on the mobile will be entered by the passenger in the web page and it will be validated by the system.
* After receiving the confirmation OTP number from the passenger, full cancellation of PNR will be done and PNR will be marked as Cancelled but not refunded in the system. Seat/berth will be released and would be made available for booking both at PRS & IRCTC Website. Refund amount due will also be displayed to the passenger on the website.
* An SMS will be sent to the passenger with PNR and fare details - ”Your ticket has been cancelled. PNR, xxxxxx, Amt,xxxxx. Refund of fare amount shall be collected only at the journey commencing station or nearby satellite PRS locations as per the notified time”.
* All the Privilege/Duty pass/PTOs/complimentary pass tickets shall be allowed to be cancelled through website or through 139.
* All types of PNRs including i-tickets (after printing) and system tickets booked across counter/post office/YTSK/Go India terminals/Bank terminals etc.’ will be allowed to be cancelled on website except the following:

(a). Circular Journey tickets and onwards tickets booked against CJT.
(b). Foreign tourists PNRs against which berth allotment has been done
(c). ATAS generated new PNR
(d). Duplicate ticket.
(e). Cluster ticket and pre-bought ticket.

CANCELLATION THROUGH 139: (Annexure-II)

Rail Ticket booked through Railway Reservation counter can be cancelled through Railway Enquiry 139. Service will be available on 139:
(a). IVR with Agent Assistance
b). SMS Service

(a). Cancel through 139 using IVR(Agent Assistance)

(i). Customer will call on 139 and select Option ‘6’ from IVR main menu.
(ii). IVR will ask whether it is Counter Ticket or E- Ticket. Press 1 for Counter Ticket or Press 2 for E-Ticket.
(iii). In case customer selects E-Ticket option, IVR will play a message “Currently ticket booked through Railway Reservation Counter only can be cancelled through 139. Press 8 to go back to main menu”

1. Once customer selects Counter Ticket option, call will be transferred to agent for cancellation.
2. Agent will ask the following information from customer to process the cancellation.
a. PNR Number
b. Train Number

3. Agent will retrieve ticket information from the server and confirm it with the customer.
4. After ticket details confirmation, agent will click on “Generate OTP” button to generate the OTP. System will validate the calling number of customer with the number mentioned in ticket details from the system.
5. If mobile number validation fails, agent will advise the customer to call from the same number mentioned at the time of booking the ticket. If number is successfully validated, OTP will be delivered on passenger’s mobile number which he would convey to agent.
6. Agent will enter OTP on CRM and will click “Submit” button to process the cancellation. Ticket will be cancelled and refundable amount will be display on agent screen. Agent will communicate the same refundable amount to customer.
7. Customer has to collect the permissible refundable amount across the PRS counter within the prescribed time limit.

(b) Cancellation through SMS to 139:

(i). User has to send PNR Number & Train Number to 139 in the syntax given below:

CANCEL<PNR Number><Train Number> to 139

Example: CANCEL 2303529769 12420

(ii). User will get below response from 139 after mobile number verification:
“Dear User, We have received cancellation request against PNR number 2303529769, OTP against this request is 123456. To confirm ticket cancellation send SMS OTP 123456 to 139.
(iii). User has to send OTP number received back to 139 for second level of confirmation.

OTP <OTP received on Passenger Mobile Number> to 139

Example: OTP 123456

User will get below response from 139:
“Dear User, Your ticket with PNR number 2303529769 has been cancelled, refundable amount is Rs. ----.”

(iv) Passenger has to collect the permissible refundable amount within prescribed time limit across the PRS counter.
Acceptance of International Debit and Credit Cards for payment for e-ticketing through IRCTC website

INTERNATIONAL CREDIT CARDS FOR PAYMENT OF TICKETS ON IRCTC WEBSITE
Purpose:

At present, only American Express International Credit Cards are accepted at IRCTC portal through American Express (AMEX) Payment Gateway. Other International Cards are not accepted for payments as on date.
IRCTC will now permit other International Credit/Debit Cards issued outside India also for booking of e-tickets through IRCTC website. These International Credit/Debit Cards will be used for payment through the payment gateway provided by M/s.Atom Technologies.

Conditions:

4% of transaction value (inclusive taxes as applicable) shall be levied for each transaction through the International Credit/Debit Cards.
This payment option is available only when ticket is booked at least 2 days in advance of journey date.
This payment option is not available for booking of “Tatkal” or “Premium Tatkal” quota tickets.
This payment option is not available for booking of tickets in “Premium trains”.
Process:
Select the “International Cards powered by Atom” payment option present under ‘Payment Gateway/Credit Card’ category at payment page.
Input all the mandatory details for payment at the Gateway page, such as Card Number, Name, Expiry, CVV, Bank Name, mobile number, e-mail and address.
After submission of all the details, ticket will be booked in case of successful payment response received from the Bank/Payment Gateway.

Benefits:
Acceptance of all International Credit/Debit Cards will fulfil the longstanding demand of foreign tourists as they will be able to book e-tickets directly and will no longer depend on other Agencies for this purpose.


Take the option of Cancellation by SMS, you may be charged Premium SMS rate but it will be simple.

The country's most prestigious train route — the Mumbai-Delhi one — is all set for its tryst with a made-in-Spain Talgo train. The first-ever trial of a completely imported trainset on the Indian Railways is expected to begin in the last week of May, tentatively the 25th, in North Central Railway's Mathura-Palwal section. Nine coaches of the train, built by Spanish rolling stock manufacturer Talgo, have already arrived at the JNPT in Mumbai and custom clearances are expected to be completed by May 5.

While the Vehicle Dynamics Simulation report conducted by Talgo on Indian tracks has certified the speed at 198kmph, railway officials told dna that the Mathura trial will be at a standard 180kmph. "The trial will use nine coaches of the train, one of which will have oscillograph and the other speed trial equipment, and the train will be pulled by a WDP4 or WAP 5 locomotive capable of pulling top speeds of 180kmph," said an official.

The most striking detail about these trains is that unlike Indian trains, which have a bogie and wheel-set on both ends of the coach, these Talgo trains have just one wheel-set in the middle of the coach. This allows better access to the train coach as it is much lower, officials said.

Train configurations
Single-axle end coach called TG4 by Talgo
One first-class and one VIP coach called TA4
One cafetaria coach called TC4
Four second-class coaches called TB4
One end-car called TB4z

Sachin wrote:

JTull wrote:These are planned to be tested with an Indian locomotive.

Why should they test this with an Indian loco? If the "train set" actually shown in the photograph is coming here; looks like it is an EMU and would have the driving mechanism in the rake itself.

Fast-moving trains require higher banking of outer curves on tracks and while negotiating less banked curves have to slow down to avoid passenger discomfort or skid off the track. Talgo has found a solution to this problem in a design that allows tilting of the superstructure of the coach without modifying the track.

In addition, the bogies are axle-less (to allow independent rotation of wheels) and the superstructure is lighter than conventional trains - something Talgo specialises in. In fact, it is the only company in the world to use tilting technology.

"Talgo could use the tilting technology to ensure smooth running of trains with higher speed at curves," says Sujeet Mishra, an officer of the Indian Railways Service of Electrical Engineers and a research scholar at IIT-BHU.

M Joshi wrote:For Talgo the same no is 22 wheels. Downside is though that the length of each coach is shorter by a few meters.

Kashi wrote:

M Joshi wrote:For Talgo the same no is 22 wheels. Downside is though that the length of each coach is shorter by a few meters.

How feasible would it be to make up the shortfall by adding extra coaches?

ldev wrote:The Moscow to Nizhny Novgorod Talgo train hauled by an EP 20 engine with 20 coaches i.e. 18 passenger coaches and 2 technical coaches. Has a top speed of 200 kmph and the 18 coaches seat 409 passengers. Maybe IR may cram more passengers by making the seat pitch smaller?

Singha wrote:Pretty much any ir train at present can go as fast as rajdhani or shatabdi..its just these munnas get special clearance at every crossing and lesser stops.

Triple tracking will likely raise avg speeds of all trains by 25kmph as railway minister said

Of necessity many trains will have more stops and lower avg speed

Suraj wrote:Absolutely. One of the first things that the Chinese railways did during their 1990s modernization was triple and quad tracking several trunk lines. It allowed them to dramatically increase average speeds, and to offer a range of services from the slower end that's no faster than our own trains, to semi-HSR level speeds. This was before they embarked on their HSR building separately. Engines are not the main factor affecting average speed in IR. The infrastructure is. It's no surprise Suresh Prabhu's primary focus of spending for his $130 billion investment plan is infrastructure and signaling.

Singha wrote:anyone know the ORBAT of IR in terms of inventory of diesel and electric locos.

be interesting to know what % is WAP4,5,7 and WDP4

Railways’ ambitious Rs 2500 crore trainset project, a part of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make in India’ initiative, suffered a major setback with none of the shortlisted bidders filing tenders. Today was the last day for submitting the bids.