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Delhi Blasts news and info

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Postby sum » 29 Sep 2008 09:15

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Self-destructive terrorism: Fuse gets shorter
M J Akbar
Congress is twisting the damaged psyche of Muslims with its cynical response to terrorism.


Governance is the easy part of being in power. You govern through systems. Systems are protected by institutions. Institutions grind their way forward on hierarchy, oiled by memory or precedence. When there is need for innovation, change is sifted through a time-consuming committee. The end product may not be brilliant, but it comes with minimal-risk insurance: it will not do damage, and might even do some good.

India’s bureaucracy may not be the steel frame of old. Corruption might have left it a brittle plastic. But it serves.

Very often the difference between a good and a bad minister, the titular head of the bureaucracy, is no more than his or her ability to leave it well enough alone. Lalu Prasad Yadav has created a favourable reputation by the ingenious tactic of non-interference. He lets the Railway Board get on with the job and only appears on the scene when it is time to take credit. Give him full marks. More has been destroyed by the deadly combination of ego and incompetence than has been achieved in government through genius. As the Railway Board has proved, India could be much better off if ministers left government on auto-pilot while they concentrated on what they know best: spilling each other’s blood.

The difficult part of power is leadership. Any term of office is divided between phases of placidity and the roils of turbulence. If turbulence is not calmed it develops quickly into a storm. Terrorism has become a raging hurricane.

The statistics are well known. There is no point wasting space on them. But there is no leader who can challenge this storm, manage its fallout and restore some balm to the jangled nerves of the nation.

Banal phrases

Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi have, at best, the most banal phrases to offer. We do not need a Prime Minister to tell us that terrorism is a grave threat. That much wisdom is available from any taxi-driver, the familiar source of political perspicacity sought by a visiting journalist anywhere in the world. No one has yet written a speech for Sonia Gandhi that takes us anywhere near a remedy to this terrible disease.

An answer must begin with a question: when did terrorism begin? Too long ago. India is unique. Every faith has delivered its quota of terrorists. The Nagas who challenged Indian unity were Christians. The sister-regions of the North-East gave us Hindu terrorists. Sikhs rose in Punjab, and Muslims in Kashmir. The overwhelming majority of Naxalites are Hindus.

And now some young non-Kashmiri Indian Muslims are playing with dynamite. Some three years ago, when President George Bush visited India, Singh proudly told his American mentor that Indian Muslims did not believe in terrorism. As evidence he pointed to the absence of any Indian Muslim name in the rolls of al-Qaeda.

If this was true, then what has happened in the last three years? India has not been ruled by any party that Muslims consider hostile to their interests. Congress has been in power in Delhi. In fact, Indian Muslims believe that if they had not mobilised to an unprecedented degree the Congress would never have got enough seats in the last general elections to cobble together a coalition. Indian Muslims claim a sort of ownership of the UPA regime. Why have Dr Singh and Sonia Gandhi been unable to prevent a spurt of despair within the community?

The Congress will not even admit this question, so it is difficult to see how it can introspect its way towards an answer. There are two principal reasons for the renewed rise of Muslim despair. First, the community has not got the justice it expected from the Congress. One fact will illustrate. While those found guilty of terrorism in the Mumbai bomb blasts of 1993 have been, rightly, punished through the legal process; those found guilty of crimes against Muslims in the preceding riots have been left untouched. The constables found guilty of state terrorism during the awful riots in Mumbai after the Babri episode in the report of the Justice Srikrishna Commission are wandering around, free. Manmohan Singh, Sonia Gandhi and Sharad Pawar cannot “find” them.

Truth as betrayal

The second major reason is a sense of helpless hopelessness. The history of economic deprivation long precedes the UPA government, but its mistake was to believe that it could fudge through its term as its predecessors had fudged through theirs. Dr Singh should never have asked Justice Rajinder Sachar to find out the truth if he wanted to do nothing about it. The truth has become the ultimate betrayal, for the report is a devastating indictment of Congress neglect of its most loyal constituency. Muslim youth watched as Arjun Singh reserved even more jobs for others, and maintained an ultra-secular silence on reservations for Muslims. As I have written before, other communities got jobs under Congress; Muslims got inquiry commissions.

This was fuel for a fire that could so easily mesh into an international conflagration. The memory of riots, particularly in Mumbai and Gujarat, was equally incendiary. Indian Muslims have had apostates and middlemen as leaders. In the vacuum, a number of youth found it easy to drift towards the malevolent attraction of evil. They convinced themselves that virulent hate mail and unpardonable killing of innocents was the means to display a destructive strength. This terrorism, of course, is already hurting Indian Muslims far more than it damages their avowed targets.

The Congress is twisting this damaged psyche further with its cynical response to terrorism. There is a suspicion, bordering on conviction, among Indian Muslims that the government of Dr Singh and Sonia Gandhi has offered scapegoats in the form of students of the Jamia Millia University to appease majority anger after the terrorist attacks on Delhi. We do not know the full truth, but there is enough that is murky in the events of September 19 when Delhi police surrounded and killed two students of Jamia at Batla House, while two others apparently escaped.

There are questions galore, not least being the manner of the “escape:” if there was only one entrance, how could the two escape? Police have shifted their version after every question. The “escape” now is meant to have been through the rooftop. Did anyone see them in the daylit skyline? Nor does anyone believe in the version offered of the death of Inspector Mohan Chand Sharma. It was first put out that he had been shot in the stomach. Then pictures were published of him walking after being shot, with no evidence of a stomach wound.
The latest theory is that he died of a heart attack following loss of blood. One TV station claimed that the autopsy report showed he had been shot from the back, hinting at what is known as “friendly fire”. The UPA government then sought to demonise the community when they covered the faces of suspects with the red, patterned, Arab headdress instead of the black cloth normally used. Who got these headdresses from the market? Home minister Shivraj Patil, who claimed that he had personally supervised these operations? Was he telling India that these suspects were linked to Arab terrorism?

The questions grow each passing day, each one another fuse for anger.

(The writer is Chairman of Covert, a fortnightly news magazine.)


I find this line of argument ingenious....So, he says that the Congress didn't do anything for the "oppressed muslims" for 4 years and so they start bombing randomly?

And, M.J.Akbar of all people believes that all was hunky dory till 4 years back but the inaction of Kangress by not appeasing the poor minorities enough is the cause of the bombing? :roll: :-? The bootomline seems to be: appease us or we will bomb. Dont question us then!!!!

If this is what muslim "intellectuals" think, god save this country...

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Sumeet » 29 Sep 2008 09:25

News Flash on IBN Site

15 crude bombs discovered in Ahemdabad. Keep on eye for further development of news.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Nitesh » 29 Sep 2008 11:33

Police find 17 crude bombs in Ahmedabad

29 Sep 2008, 1101 hrs IST,PTI

AHMEDABAD: Seventeen crude bombs were found on Monday near the Kalupur darvaja of the city, police said.

The bombs found were not sophisticated devices but crude explosives, police said.

Further investigations are on, police said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Poli ... 539297.cms

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby a_kumar » 29 Sep 2008 12:36

Nitesh wrote:Police find 17 crude bombs in Ahmedabad

29 Sep 2008, 1101 hrs IST,PTI

AHMEDABAD: Seventeen crude bombs were found on Monday near the Kalupur darvaja of the city, police said.

The bombs found were not sophisticated devices but crude explosives, police said.

Further investigations are on, police said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Poli ... 539297.cms


I understand they cannot "quality test" the bombs.. but this is nevertheless strange. What is with 18 in Surat and now 17 in Ahmedabad that didn't blow up.. :!:

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby pradeepe » 29 Sep 2008 17:35

harik wrote:
pradeepe wrote:So very interesting. The issue is one of bomb blasts in Delhi, of course as an addendum to blasts in Bangalore, and Ahmedabad, and all the intersting places in India over the last few years and the discussion pulls in Bajrang Dal and Graham Staines. Sheer genuis.

It doesnt matter who disrupts life in a society, they need to be brought down fast and hard. Needless to say, it doesnt matter what faith they profess, but the current commentry by the seculars in the media and elsewhere stinks! May they rot in hell, no better still, may they lose their loved ones to the same scourge they gloss over. Thats an adharmic thing to say, but yes, I'll say it, may they lose their loved ones to this scourge...

The biggest mistake IMHO that these secular make is calling and treating the murder of the innocents as an acceptable price to pay to see if they can "buy" peace. A**H**** IMHO. Who gave them that right. If you so believe so much, they you pay the price personally, place yourself or your kin on the altar and then claim the moral right to preach. Till then high falutin talk is just that and full of gobar.


Pradeepe Shiv is the only person who specifically did eq/eq vis-a-vis SIMI and Bajarang Dal, joined by Rye


Possibly. And I think I understand where Shiv comes from. No comments on that. My anger was not just restricted to BR. It was directed at the psec brigade, which has always found it very comfortable to pout from a high ledge thinking of the immense load they were bearing holding the nation together.

These folks are also deeply saddened to see Indian blood spilt, but deliberately fail to acknowledge the root cause for reasons that to me appear to be just cowardice at the moment. Which in itself is an attribute that can stick to anyone and definitely does to me. But what makes it vile in this case is 1. intentional muddling and obfuscation of issues with the intent to condone islamist terrorism and 2. preaching sacrifice to which I have to ask - on whose behalf?

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby John Snow » 29 Sep 2008 20:59

a_kumar wrote:
Nitesh wrote:Police find 17 crude bombs in Ahmedabad


I understand they cannot "quality test" the bombs.. but this is nevertheless strange. What is with 18 in Surat and now 17 in Ahmedabad that didn't blow up.. :!:


Ashok Kumar saab welcome back. :)

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby kshirin » 29 Sep 2008 21:14

NDTV is carrying an inexplicable programme on the bias in police forces to Muslims. This constant propaganda is deflecting attention away from the terrorists and giving them permsission to continue. What IS wrong with our media?

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Vikramaditya » 29 Sep 2008 21:16

An answer must begin with a question: when did terrorism begin? Too long ago. India is unique. Every faith has delivered its quota of terrorists. The Nagas who challenged Indian unity were Christians. The sister-regions of the North-East gave us Hindu terrorists. Sikhs rose in Punjab, and Muslims in Kashmir. The overwhelming majority of Naxalites are Hindus


Aahhh the usual skullduggery :x

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 29 Sep 2008 22:19

What IS wrong with our media?


American and communist funding.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby G Subramaniam » 29 Sep 2008 22:20

kshirin wrote:NDTV is carrying an inexplicable programme on the bias in police forces to Muslims. This constant propaganda is deflecting attention away from the terrorists and giving them permsission to continue. What IS wrong with our media?


This is a long term psec plan to add muslim quota in police

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby ramana » 29 Sep 2008 22:42

Zin, Please stop posting and askig questions about UK in this thread. Thanks, ramana

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 29 Sep 2008 23:40

I hate to pose this one-line question. Are some of the blasts coinciding with the Aussie refusal to turn up in Bakiland?

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Sai » 29 Sep 2008 23:46

sanjaychoudhry wrote:
What IS wrong with our media?


American and communist funding.


In NDTV's case, I think the channel is quite vocally pro-Islamist. It does not sing a jihad tune -- probably so as not to run foul of law -- but gives a great deal of latitude to pro-jihad views. The other day there was a participant on an NDTV chat show who said she wouldn't mind turning terrorist (and then presumably start killing innocent people). This wasn't edited out.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby harbans » 30 Sep 2008 00:08

More blasts in Malegaon and Sabarkanta in Gujarat. 2 dead atleast. Jains or Buddhists? Ban the Hare Krishnas!

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby sanjaykumar » 30 Sep 2008 00:12

Jains or Buddhists? Ban the Hare Krishnas!

Religions of piece(s)?

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby kshirin » 30 Sep 2008 00:18

I think we should switch from this thread to the India at (Low Intensity) War thread started by Fanne. We are at war, it is only the goodness of Indians that we do not acknowledge it and go about our business. We should think strategically and tell our politicians to unite and stop fighting amongst themselves looking only at the electoral horizon and instead conduct systematic war on terror - on economic, foreign policy and security front.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 30 Sep 2008 00:45

In NDTV's case, I think the channel is quite vocally pro-Islamist.


Only communists are pro-Muslim and pro-Pakistan in India. Pranoy Roy is married to Brinda Karat's sister. You can guess about the source of funding.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2008 01:26

Are those dustbins in Gujarat open topped like the old time Hyd Municipal Corp dust bins or closed ones in massaland?

Is it possible that the stuff got dumped to get rid of it?

Looks like the new blast was wrong victims. Something is wrong.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Baljeet » 30 Sep 2008 01:31

Vikramaditya wrote:
An answer must begin with a question: when did terrorism begin? Too long ago. India is unique. Every faith has delivered its quota of terrorists. The Nagas who challenged Indian unity were Christians. The sister-regions of the North-East gave us Hindu terrorists. Sikhs rose in Punjab, and Muslims in Kashmir. The overwhelming majority of Naxalites are Hindus


Aahhh the usual skullduggery :x

How is skullduggery? The guys is saying the way it is. Aren't you forgetting NSCN AZ Phizo and IM groups has been the longest working terrorist organization in NE India. 22nd Naga Brigade of Indian Army was created after the peace agreement was singed between Indira Gandhi and AZ Phizo. Along came MNF of Laldenga, TNF, Bodoland Liberation Force, other Assamese group. It was christians who sounded the bugle against Indian State with help from Chinese. Naxalites are the scumbags of Marxist idealogoy, they are all following the same path, if you do not get what you want, just start killing innocent people in India, some Indian Political Parties will make deal with you when they come to power, you will get what you want and if you are not happy with it, launch your Psuedo Armed Struggle again and the cycle keeps repeating itself. India will never have a leader who will just stand up and give free hand to security forces to pursue all terrorists regardless of race, religion, caste, creed--do not rest until they are annihilated with full immunity from law.
Nobody can save this country just like Jagjit singh surmises in one of his gazal---"ghar sey nikle honsla kar key, ghar laut aye khuda khuda kar key"
This is the current state of this country.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2008 03:33

Deccan Chronicel, 30 Seot 2008

IM Riyaz planted city bombs


Hyderabad Sept. 29: Riyaz Bhatkal of the Indian Mujahideen had planted bombs at Gokul Chat and Lumbini Park on August 25 last year in the city, according to a terror suspect.
Police sources said the Mohammad Sadiq Sheikh, who was arrested from Mumbai on September 23 confessed to a city police team that Bhatkal who was behind the Hyderabad twin blasts. Bhatkal alias Roshan Khan is still absconding and he is suspected to have underworld links with Mumbai. A senior police official said, “Sadiq said that Riyaz Bhatkal told him before the twin explosions, ‘Hyderabad me kuch karne ka hi (we will have to do something in Hyderabad)’. After twin explosion Riyaz told him: ‘Hyderabad me kaam hogai (the work is done)’.” n Page 5: Riyaz came to city after Macca blasts



So its a full house for these IM turds.

And

Riyaz came to city after Macca blast


Hyderabad Sept. 29: The terror suspect Riyaz Bhatkal, who is alleged to have planted the bombs at Gokul Chat and Lumbini Park on August 25 last year came to the city after the May 18 Macca Masjid blast. City and state police teams are now in Mumbai grilling terror accused, Mohammad Sadiq Sheikh, who had revealed that Bhatkal placed the bombs in the city. “The handler of Indian Mujahideen module is Amir Raza Khan of Lashkar-e-Tayyaba. Sadiq has also been trained in pakistan. Riyaz Bhatkal is native of Karnataka. After interrogation, it is emerging that Karnataka is the hub of these terror modules,” said the investigating officer. Riyaz Bhatkal is the key operative involved in handling the explosive materials and the Hyderabad twin explosion are suspected to be a revenge act, he added. :?:


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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Vikramaditya » 30 Sep 2008 04:00

Baljeet wrote:
Vikramaditya wrote:
An answer must begin with a question: when did terrorism begin? Too long ago. India is unique. Every faith has delivered its quota of terrorists. The Nagas who challenged Indian unity were Christians. The sister-regions of the North-East gave us Hindu terrorists. Sikhs rose in Punjab, and Muslims in Kashmir. The overwhelming majority of Naxalites are Hindus


Aahhh the usual skullduggery :x

How is skullduggery? The guys is saying the way it is. Aren't you forgetting NSCN AZ Phizo and IM groups has been the longest working terrorist organization in NE India. 22nd Naga Brigade of Indian Army was created after the peace agreement was singed between Indira Gandhi and AZ Phizo. Along came MNF of Laldenga, TNF, Bodoland Liberation Force, other Assamese group. It was christians who sounded the bugle against Indian State with help from Chinese. Naxalites are the scumbags of Marxist idealogoy, they are all following the same path, if you do not get what you want, just start killing innocent people in India, some Indian Political Parties will make deal with you when they come to power, you will get what you want and if you are not happy with it, launch your Psuedo Armed Struggle again and the cycle keeps repeating itself. India will never have a leader who will just stand up and give free hand to security forces to pursue all terrorists regardless of race, religion, caste, creed--do not rest until they are annihilated with full immunity from law.
Nobody can save this country just like Jagjit singh surmises in one of his gazal---"ghar sey nikle honsla kar key, ghar laut aye khuda khuda kar key"
This is the current state of this country.


Naxals and all the other "hindu" terrorists mentioned by MJ Akbar dont go violent in the cause of "Hinduism" as in Bhagwad Geeta in one hand and sword in the other - which is what SIMI is doing. Hence the skullduggery allegations against MJ who IMHO is trying to spread the guilt ... afterall misery needs company.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby sum » 30 Sep 2008 08:49

The other day there was a participant on an NDTV chat show who said she wouldn't mind turning terrorist (and then presumably start killing innocent people).

That was the great Harwinder Baweja of Tehelka...

Imagine saying such a thing in any other "democratic" country...

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby sum » 30 Sep 2008 08:59

One more FHL speaketh:
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Restoring the confidence of Muslims

Vidya Subrahmaniam

Muslims fear a witch-hunt, and are in denial of terrorism. For this to change, police investigation must become transparent and the innocent should be offered full protection of the law.

India’s battle with terrorism is not new. Far from it, our ears have become attuned to hearing about bomb blasts and our eyes accustomed to seeing images of death and devastation. Yet something has materially changed this time. The recent serial blasts in Delhi and the police encounter that killed two alleged terrorists and injured a third in Jamia Nagar, have opened up a debate, raising an avalanche of questions. There is an explosion of anger at the increasing freq uency and boldness of terror strikes, a frightening state of affairs magnified by the helplessness of the government.

Alongside, there is growing concern at the methods used by the police and the investigating agencies and their effect on Muslims — a community increasingly feeling under siege. More and more voices are also asking why the Bajrang Dal, which has a proven history of bomb-making, and which, in tandem with the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, has been on an orgy of murder and mayhem in State after State, cannot be banned.{Wonder which states are these?}

Television channels have traditionally run with the police stories. These make for riveting viewing — sensational footage of hooded and chained terrorists paraded before a sea of voracious cameras; pen sketches of shadowy men forging links across the country and beyond the borders; tales of myriad masterminds working to undermine the Indian state and so forth. There has been no let-up in this — the blasts and the alleged terrorists continue to appear in endless on-screen loops, with many channels embroidering and enlarging the official accounts with their own in-house art work, graphics and re-enactments.

Nonetheless, there are station heads who have pushed the envelope — asking inconvenient questions and exploring sensitive areas previously avoided by an unwritten consensus. Sections of the print media have dared to go even beyond, raising taboo questions, chasing police and other leads, cross-checking the minutest detail and uncovering the real, human stories behind the hooded faces splashed on television and frontpaged by newspapers. The pictures that have emerged from these efforts are often dramatically different from the accounts put out by the police.

It can be nobody’s case that the police-intelligence versions are all concoctions. To allege this would be to undermine a force that works under the most trying conditions and that is almost always stretched to a breaking point. Yet policemen are fallible, and under ceaseless pressure to show quick and visible results. Police departments in different States also compete to claim credit. The disastrous effect of all this has been illustrated time and again — in the form of encounters that have proven to be staged, by hasty investigations that have led to innocent people being framed. A recent example of this is the Aarushi murder case which saw the Uttar Pradesh police making the crudest accusations against the murdered girl and her father. The media exaggerations and lies forced the Supreme Court to issue warnings against irresponsible journalism. The apex court also ordered an investigation into the encounter of alleged gangster Sohrabuddin, which resulted in the Gujarat government admitting that the encounter was fake.

Today, such is the distrust in the investigative arm of the government that any encounter is automatically assumed to be fake. However till now the media have hesitated to question the police claims, especially when these have related to terrorism. This is mainly on account of the association between counter-terrorism and nationalism. The aftermath of a bomb blast is an extraordinarily delicate moment given the very real suffering experienced by those at terror’s receiving end. For the journalist to raise even the faintest doubt when a terror case is projected to have been solved at such a time is to risk being called anti-national.

The recent vigorous discourse in the media suggests that this burden may have been lifted. What explains this? Probably one significant realisation: that unvetted police claims can have the unwitting effect of tarring an entire community when only a minuscule section is involved in terrorism.

Terrorism is a reality as much as the fact that there is a Muslim connection to it. The new trend of young educated Muslims taking to terror cannot be dismissed as fiction. However, the vast majority of Muslims are ordinary citizens, the bulk of them poor and illiterate. Importantly, a section among the community is just beginning to break out of the vicious cycle of poverty and joblessness. Aspirationally different from their parents, these young people want higher education, a career and integration with the mainstream. If the confidence and self-respect of these young adults are undermined, they will return to their familiar world of obscurantism and backwardness.{And the ones who got it are indulging in bombings??} This will hurt Muslims, of course, but the collective grievance of a 150-million strong community will hurt India even more, tearing its already frayed social fabric beyond repair.

Jamia Nagar, the scene of the September 19 police encounter, underscores this point. The raid killed two alleged terrorists, Mohammad Bashir Atif and Mohammad Fakruddin Sajed, and injured a third, Saif Ahmad.
Disputed claims

Residents of Jamia Nagar simply do not buy the police version that the youths were hardcore terrorists who plotted and executed all the recent bomb blasts. Nor do they accept that the several young men picked up subsequently were all part of a lethal terror network that struck at will in places as far apart as Mumbai, Varanasi, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and Delhi. For every terror story put out by the police, residents offer a counter story of innocence that is prima facie hard to disregard.

The police might insist that Atif and his flat-mates formed the backbone of the Indian Mujahideen’s nationwide operations. But for Jamia Nagar residents, they were simply masoom bachche (innocent children), who, like so many other Muslim boys from the Hindi heartland, had come to Delhi with a dream: to work hard, earn a degree and achieve social status and respect. Atif was enrolled as a student at the next-door Jamia Millia University, as were the subsequently arrested Zia-ur-Rehman and Mohammad Shakeel. The Orkut profile of Atif reveals a youth like any other — friendly and non-political. His favourite films: the ultra-national Mother India and Rang de Basanti!

Of course, the Orkut profile could have been a clever disguise. But there are other niggling questions. Police reports said Atif had stashed away crores in his bank account in Azamgarh. He had a little over Rs.1000. One of Atif’s cousins told India Today’s group paper, Mail Today, that he had dropped a few examination papers because he could not afford the fee. The cousin bought him a cell phone, the bills for which Atif could not pay.

More relevantly, Atif submitted his tenant verification papers, complete with his correct personal details, to the Jamia Nagar police station on August 21. The police charge that the papers and the police seal were forged is contested by Supreme Court lawyer Prashant Bhushan who examined the papers and the seal. After the encounter, Zia-ur-Rahman, the caretaker of Atif’s apartment, took the papers to a television station. He was picked up by the police and instantly labelled an IM operative. Sajed, who was enrolled in a Delhi coaching class, was only 17. He left his Azamgarh home as recently as July 10. His father recalls a shy, reticent son, reluctant to leave his mother’s embrace.

Jamia residents ask to know if hardcore terrorists would voluntarily go to police stations and television studios to present their correct personal details. Atif’s mobile phone forms also carry his correct personal details.

The police claims regarding Atif and his friends may well be true. There may be perfect explanations for the details unearthed by the media and incessantly thrown at visiting journalists by Jamia Nagar residents. If so, that is all the more reason for terror investigations to be rigorous, clean and transparent. This is necessary as much to protect the innocent as to establish the reliability and credibility of the police. The case of Australian resident Mohammad Haneef, described by the police and the Indian media as the mastermind of the 2007 Glasgow blasts, is a lesson worth remembering. Thanks to transparent investigation by the Australian police and relentless scrutiny by the Australian media, Haneef was shown to be completely innocent.

The alternative to transparency is doubt and suspicion — a situation we simply cannot afford. Today, Indian Muslims are in denial of terrorism: Every encounter is fake and every bomb blast is the handiwork of the establishment. Of course, this is absurd. But for Muslims to be convinced of this truth, the innocent among them must be protected — and with the entire resources at the command of the Indian state. The community must be also be assured that the state will not measure the Bajrang Dal by a different yardstick.

To question Jamia Millia University Vice-Chancellor Mushirul Hasan’s offer of legal aid to terror suspects — as the Bharatiya Janata Party has done — is to strike at the presumption of innocence
which is a sacred law of the land. To show leniency to the Bajrang Dal, which has been caught red-handed making bombs and spreading terror, is to compound this error.

After every sentence of the bombing, find a sentence of how the BD is a bigger evil...

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Postby vsudhir » 30 Sep 2008 16:02

Restoring the confidence of Muslims

Vidya Subrahmaniam


Same rhetorical style as madame jalebi's, I notice. Alum from the jalebi school or what? Wouldnt be surprised at all, unfortunately.

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Postby G Subramaniam » 30 Sep 2008 18:56

vsudhir wrote:
Restoring the confidence of Muslims

Vidya Subrahmaniam


Same rhetorical style as madame jalebi's, I notice. Alum from the jalebi school or what? Wouldnt be surprised at all, unfortunately.


Actually from 1947-1960, IMs were without confidence and well behaved

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Postby harik » 30 Sep 2008 20:42

G Subramaniam wrote:
vsudhir wrote:
Restoring the confidence of Muslims

Vidya Subrahmaniam


Same rhetorical style as madame jalebi's, I notice. Alum from the jalebi school or what? Wouldnt be surprised at all, unfortunately.


Actually from 1947-1960, IMs were without confidence and well behaved


Then why this call for *root causes* , who failed them ?

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby shiv » 30 Sep 2008 21:39

sum wrote:After every sentence of the bombing, find a sentence of how the BD is a bigger evil...



I wonder why. I'm totally mystified! :roll:

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby harik » 30 Sep 2008 21:53

sum wrote:One more FHL speaketh:
Link
Restoring the confidence of Muslims

Vidya Subrahmaniam

Muslims fear a witch-hunt, and are in denial of terrorism. For this to change, police investigation must become transparent and the innocent should be offered full protection of the law.
.[/b]

After every sentence of the bombing, find a sentence of how the BD is a bigger evil...


Sum:
Find the balance between the presumed *impotency* of the declared patient and the *certified* *therapist*

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Baljeet » 01 Oct 2008 01:55

I am really getting tired of these FHL femme's....like Rama Lakshmi of Washinton Post, Somni Sengupta NYTimes, Vidya, etc. What is going on? It seems like they are recycling each others articles like a jalebi. They must be hideously ugly to be such a "kritdhan" must be called "Paakhandi Indian". is this woman a complete moron, there will never be an investigation that will satisfy everyone, all investigations have to fulfill legal obligations.

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 01 Oct 2008 02:23

Then why this call for *root causes* , who failed them ?


Nobody failed them. What happened is that the generation of Muslims with guilt complex about triggering the Partition passed away. The new generation has no memory of the Partition and has gone back into "India for Islam" mode.

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Postby ramana » 01 Oct 2008 02:35

sanjaychoudhry wrote:
Then why this call for *root causes* , who failed them ?


Nobody failed them. What happened is that the generation of Muslims with guilt complex about triggering the Partition passed away. The new generation has no memory of the Partition and has gone back into "India for Islam" mode.



Precisely. Those who agitated for TSP are gone and there is no more guilt feeling for that.

And the new ones have a halcyon image of Dar-ul-Islam/TSP(Dar-ul-Jahnaum) and want to implement shariat in India via millat status and then reach for th etop.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby svinayak » 01 Oct 2008 04:49

G Subramaniam wrote:
Actually from 1947-1960, IMs were without confidence and well behaved


They had hopes till 1971. After the fall of the ideology of Pakistan lot of UP Muslims migrated to Pakistan and the ME.

This is similar to the Lucknow Nawab who funded ML/Liaquat in 1940s who migrated to ME after the moth eaten Parkistan.


With the down turn of Zia Pakistan there is again restlessness.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby G Subramaniam » 01 Oct 2008 06:44

Hindus will never riot over islamic bomb blasts

Dozens of bombs have gone off in hindu locales

Whereas yesterday there was a bomb blast in Malegaon and ROP followers have rioted

Hindus may riot over an open riot like Godhra, and that is the hindu threshold

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Postby pradeepe » 01 Oct 2008 07:34

I for one am glad they dont riot. I do not know how to fix the infestation, but I do clearly know that rioting is the last thing I would expect. Cleaning up an infestation by bringing down our own house doesnt appeal to me.

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Re: Delhi Blasts news and info

Postby Rye » 01 Oct 2008 07:37

It is really sad that Indians are not turning into Pakis after all these years. What can we do to fix this problem? This is just appalling -- look how far the Pakis have gone with the ability to create violence at the drop of a hat. Thanks to some people on this thread, the veil is lifting and we are all seeing where we went wrong after Jinnah abandoned the hindus.


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