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Bomb blasts in assam

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Rahul M » 31 Oct 2008 21:39

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSCN

the groups are primarily christian orgs with a manifesto create a 'god's country' in nagaland.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby sum » 31 Oct 2008 21:41

surinder wrote:RM, Thanks.


Who is enforcing this "tax"? Which organization? Is it religious organization?

What do the initials stand for?

The NSCN(National Socialist Council of Nagalim) is extracting this tax...The oldest insurgent group in India actively stoked by the British missionaries during its inception stages. Its almost a "religious" body since it is predominantly christian and does claim to fight for christian causes also...

Officially, it has a ceasefire in place with the GoI due to which it has been given a free reign as long as they not cross the threshold limit.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Manny » 31 Oct 2008 21:54

BJP needs to take over and then declare an emergency. Bring back POTO. Lock up all the Commies. Go after the Naziles, clean up the NE and implement the writ of the Indian Govt there. Arrest any and all protesters!

Enough is Enough!

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Tanaji » 31 Oct 2008 22:02

Manny wrote:BJP needs to take over and then declare an emergency. Bring back POTO. Lock up all the Commies. Go after the Naziles, clean up the NE and implement the writ of the Indian Govt there. Arrest any and all protesters!

Enough is Enough!


:shock: :roll:

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby samuel » 31 Oct 2008 22:10

Sorry, if these were posted before:

India home to 174 terrorist groups, Manipur alone has 40

Look at this map:
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/southasia ... ct_Map.pdf

What is interesting in the map is a classification:

Areas affected by low intensity conflict: between 100 and 1000 casualties/year.
Areas affected by high intensity conflict: > 1000 casualties/year

This, to me, shows the high degree of insensitivity of Indians in general and our govt. in particular to order and peace in our environment.
I am sure there are local exceptions like an incident I witnessed today in the US.

I took a bus from the outskirts into Harvard today and at the station I stopped for a diet pepsi before getting on my way. There were two lines of about 5 people each at the stall. Behind us, there was a black sports duffel bag about 1mx0.25mx0.3m in size. It was just sitting there. The person at the back said, immediately, "who does this bag belong to?" Everyone stopped in their tracks and things moved calmly and methodically from there. Another person walked up right away to a uniformed agent and said, "We have a situation." People started dispersing. The agent showed up with calm urgency, asked every one to exit left whilst radioing it in. People continued calmly walking out, no fuss no muss.

Some, like me, hung around (out of habit!). Within 20 seconds, two cops came, walked up and down the area and asked whoever was left, "is this yours," while the uniformed agent was ushering people around. A few moments later an old man, should be in his 80s, came from around the corner and said, "Officer that is my bag." The officers simply told him, "please come with us" and you could hear them say into the radio, "All clear," a short while later.

I am willing to bet you that a fire truck, an ambulance and available cop cars in the Harvard area were speeding up to the station as all this was happening. They almost always do. It took 9/11 (and probably other things too) to get people up tight in this country: BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY. That's it. They brook no bullshit and will throw everyone out of the country if they have to. They will arrest their own citizens if they have to protect their country. Whatever we may make of such actions, there have been no incidents to date (NONE) thank heavens, but may be thank the hackles people that have gotten up, more. You can constantly hear it on the Public Speakers here: "If you see something, say something."


Our people need to get their hackles up and get an*l about this. They need to watch their local neighborhoods and be very mindful, and NOT let their guards down because there is no place, it appears, that is really safe in India.

Our Home Minister can be heard here.

http://www.ptinews.com/pti/ptisite.nsf/ ... enDocument

What is interesting is this statement, for example:

The trend of serial blasts in quick succession began with the multiple explosions in Jaipur in May this year when nine blasts rocked the Pink city killing 65 people and 150 injured.

"Their aim (to create communal disturbances) has been thwarted. The people of Jaipur have not allowed their nefarious design to succeed," Patil had said then.


Do we need this guy to tell us that we, the people, have been "thwarting nefarious designs," implying there is no need for him to do anything about it, what?

Or do we need him to tell us what the Govt will be and has been doing to secure the country? Why isn't HM Patil showing up every day on TV/Radio announcing how the country is being secured, even after so many people have been killed? How many will it take? Is this guy a joker, what?

Oh let me guess! They can't reveal all these measures because security would be hampered. Let me guess further, our intelligence agencies must let some acts to go through to be able to "get to the real perpetrators." Or, "this is all a state policing issue bhai, what do you want me to do about it?"

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby svinayak » 31 Oct 2008 23:52


Islamic group claims Indian serial blasts

15 hours ago

GUWAHATI, India (AFP) — A little-known Islamic group claimed responsibility in a text message sent to a news channel on Friday, for serial blasts in India's northeast that claimed 76 lives the day before, police said.

The group, identifying itself as the "Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahedeen", warned such attacks would continue in Assam state, police said.

"The Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahedeen takes the responsibility for yesterday's blasts," said the text message to the Newslive television network in Assam.

"We warn all of Assam and India for situations like this in the future and we thank all our holy members and partners," added the message.

A police spokesman said the group is believed to have come into existence in 2000 in western Assam, where tribal Bodo militants are campaigning against Muslim settlers from nearby Bangladesh.

The group has not been active recently in Assam, where more than a dozen militant groups are campaigning for demands ranging from independence to greater autonomy.

The police's suspicion had centred on the rebel United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA), which has been fighting for an independent homeland since 1979, but the ULFA had denied its involvement.

Police say they are questioning about a dozen people over the attacks.

Twelve blasts -- all within the space of an hour -- hit the insurgency-hit state Thursday, six of them ripping through crowded areas in the main city of Guwahati.

Some of the bombs had been strapped to bicycles and packed with incendiary material to trigger fires.

Assam Home Commissioner Subhas Das said 15 people had died of their injuries overnight, taking the death toll to 76, of whom 43 were killed in Guwahati.

Three other districts in western Assam were also targeted. The total number of injured stood at more than 300.

The blasts, including one in front of the Guwahati city court, reduced nearby vehicles to heaps of twisted metal.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, in New Delhi on an official visit, condemned what he called an "act of terrorism targeting civilians," while Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh vowed to bring the bombers to justice.

"Such barbaric acts targeting innocent men, women and children only highlight the desperation and cowardice of those responsible," Singh said, adding he would visit Assam on Saturday.

The attacks came six weeks after New Delhi was hit by a series of bombs in crowded markets that left more than 20 dead. Those blasts were claimed by a group calling itself the Indian Mujahedeen.

The emergence in recent years of an indigenous Islamist militancy has posed a new challenge to the Indian government, which has routinely blamed neighbouring rival Pakistan for organising attacks on its soil.

In the aftermath of Thursday's bombings, police slapped a curfew on Guwahati as residents -- blaming lax security for the blasts -- attacked fire engines which were trying to battle a series of fires.

By Friday morning, the curfew had been lifted and there were fresh clashes as around 200 protesters confronted police in the city centre.

In the past two decades, more than 10,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency-linked violence in tea- and oil-rich Assam.

In January 2007, police blamed the ULFA for a wave of attacks in which 62 people were killed, many of them Hindi-speaking migrant workers.

Attacks have continued since peace talks between the ULFA and New Delhi collapsed in 2006.



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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Pulikeshi » 01 Nov 2008 00:20

samuel wrote:Do we need this guy to tell us that we, the people, have been "thwarting nefarious designs," implying there is no need for him to do anything about it, what?


I wonder if all of us could send this chap a used chappal-ka-har (necklace of shoes) to register our protest.
It may not help, but it will certainly make some of us feel better :mrgreen:

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby amolvp » 01 Nov 2008 02:52

http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=338849
-Business Standard (by Aditi Phadnis)
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It is now officially established that anyone can slap people around in India, including in such sensitive border states as Assam, and get away with it. Hours after more than 10 bombs went off simultaneously in Assam, various persons supposedly in charge of security were still bickering about who had done it. Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh lamented divisive forces — because they were unsure who had put RDX in Maruti cars in densely populated centres in Guwahati and pressed the detonator killing more than 60 people; Minister of State for Internal Security Sriprakash Jaiswal said the state government had been warned there would be blasts; the Inspector General of Police in Assam said “fundamentalist forces” were active in the state; the Assam Health Minister said it was the work of the United Liberation Front of Assam (Ulfa), a charge Ulfa almost instantly denied; and intelligence agencies said it could be a breakaway branch of Ulfa in cahoots with the Harkat-ul-Jamaat-e-Islami (HuJI). Right. Why not name the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia or the ETA or the Shining Path of Peru as well while you’re about it? They could’ve done it as well, couldn’t they? Hell, anyone could have done it.

The sense of helplessness is enough to make you grit your teeth and want to swear, but reflect a moment. How much do we really know about the cauldron of swirling, colliding ethnic identities that the north east is, and the stakes politicians of all hues have in keeping it all hidden away from public gaze? Very little. Assam is arguably the most complex of the seven north eastern sisters with layer upon layer of settlers who have made the state their home over the years, reluctant to allow other newcomers a share — whether in politics or jobs or identity.

It is tempting to put the blame at the door of the Congress since that is the party which has ruled Assam the longest, but doing so would be ahistorical. Even so, successive Congress chief ministers with their policy of ensuring the Ali (migrant Muslims), the Coolie (labourers in tea gardens) and the Bangali (migrants from West Bengal) stayed with them to see them home safe in elections in the 1960s and early 1970s, contributed in no small measure to a sense of grievance among other communities who made Assam their home but resented the sense of discrimination they continued to feel. These were the Karbis, the Dimasas and the Bodos and of course, the Muslims who came into Assam from Bangladesh and kept coming and kept coming.

In 2001, when the Congress came to power in Assam and Tarun Gogoi took charge as Chief Minister of Assam, it was hard not feel a rush of sympathy for him. The outgoing Asom Gana Parishad government in the state had left finances in a mess. Neighbouring militant groups were claiming Assam was actually part of Greater Nagaland. And the relentless migration from Bangladesh had prompted Governor Lt General SK Sinha to warn in a report to President KR Narayanan that 57 of Assam’s 126 assembly constituencies had shown more than a 20 per cent increase in the number of voters between 1994 and 1997 whereas the all-India average was just 7.4 per cent; and that the Muslim population in Assam had shown a rise of 77.42 per cent over what it had been in 1971 (there was no census in Assam in 1981).

Instead of setting things right, Gogoi’s response? He asked for the recall of the Governor. Lt General Ajay Singh, who has spent 18 years in the north east in various capacities as a professional soldier, followed Sinha. He repeated Sinha’s fears. He too was asked to keep his opinions to himself. Meanwhile the state government ‘reached out to misguided youth’ — the Ulfa which represents a kind of pop-marxism heavily flavoured with Assamese chauvinism and claims to be a revolutionary group which wants to establish a sovereign independent Assam, free of Indian exploitation through an armed struggle. In 2005, just before assembly elections talks between some members of Ulfa and the Government of India were held at Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s residence. This led to a ceasefire that lasted just one month. But as all anti-insurgency operations have to be carried out only after the state government has given permission, the Army was sometimes non-plussed: for it kept getting stop-and-go signals from the state administration when it was close to breaking the back of the Ulfa.

In 2006 Gogoi became chief minister again. In 2007, Assam was the state with the second highest number of terrorist incident-related deaths in India. Something was terribly wrong and no one seemed to know how to fix it.

We’re now in 2008 and, no one still knows what is going wrong in Assam. Just a few weeks ago, one round of bloodletting was the result of tribal clashes. Now, what is puzzling law-enforcers is there is no clear pattern in the blasts earlier this week. Some have taken place in Muslim majority areas. Others have taken place in residential centres with mixed populations. Still others — including in Dispur — seem to be aimed at symbols of state authority (a car parked outside the District Commissioner’s office was blown up). Another way of finding the culprits is to trace the explosives trail. That strongly suggests technology which can only be acquired by groups that have the patronage of India’s friendly neighbours in the east. But then these groups also have the advantage of being considered misguided youth by the state government. Meanwhile, it is the ordinary citizens of Assam who are now taking the law into their own hands. Because angry young men stoned policemen and set fire tenders on fire to voice their anger at the blasts, the unprecedented has happened: they have been declared to be at risk from themselves and curfew has been clamped in Guwahati, something that hasn’t happened in that town for several decades.

But take solace from the fact that the chief minister knows what’s happening and he has informed the home minister of India accordingly. May be. It is to be fervently hoped. But what do we know. We’re only the newspapers. And you shouldn’t believe everything you read in the papers.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Muppalla » 01 Nov 2008 06:07

Car bombs were used in Guwahati blasts

GUWAHATI: The three blasts here were all car bombs. Explosives were packed into the boot spaces of three Maruti 800s and driven to the blast sites.
The explosives were a lethal cocktail of RDX, TNT and PETN, one of the most powerful explosives known.


PETN or pentrite is usually packaged in small quantities to boost other charges and used in landmines and artillery shells. The chassis numbers of the cars have been retrieved but the registration numbers of two cars have turned out to be fake. It is likely all three cars changed hands several times before ending up with terrorists, IGP (special branch) Khagen Sarma said.

Investigations on the day after Assam's worst terrorist attack are pointing towards a stronger HuJI hand. A previously unknown outfit, the ISF-Indian Mujahideen, has claimed responsibility but investigators are probing to what extent Ulfa helped the jihadi group. They believe a "weakened Ulfa" does not have the capability to carry out devastation of this magnitude on its own.

The outfit is suspected to be the Islamic Security Force and could be a front for Indian Mujahideen, sources said. "Jihadi elements are there but they could not have carried out an attack of this magnitude without local support, which primarily is Ulfa. But, it needs to be seen to what extent Ulfa could have helped the jihadis. There are several jihadi groups but the prime suspect is HuJI," a senior intelligence officer said.

Sources pointed out that Ulfa's dependence on jihadis has been growing since it suffered reverses in the face of counter-insurgency operations. It suffered the worst in June when two units of its crack battalion, the 28th, declared truce. "We have specific information that Ulfa is in a crisis over explosives and ammunition. More importantly, there is an acute shortage of trained and dedicated cadres," an official said.

As the embers at the nine blast sites in Guwahati, Kokrajhar, Bongaigaon and Barpeta cooled, the death toll rose to 75, with nine more people succumbing in hospitals on Thursday night and Friday. The toll could rise with more than 300 injured still in hospitals, 170 of them tagged critical and battling for life.

"It was meticulously planned and executed with a precision that only highly trained persons can achieve," a source said. DIG (central and western range) GP Singh said they were trying to ascertain the exact composition of the mixture. The final report will depend on the findings of the seven-member NSG team that is collecting metal shards and other evidence — some of which are barely visible to the naked eye — from the blast sites for forensic testing.

What worries security agencies more is the shadowy nature of jihadis who are suspected to have carried out the blasts. Sarma said each of the jihadi groups active in Assam would be looked into, particularly HuJI.

A claim by an unknown terror outfit on Friday evening has only added to the mystery, but it strengthens the investigators' theory that the jihadi hand was stronger than Ulfa in the blasts. The ISF-IM sent an SMS to a local TV channel here, saying: "We ISF-IM take responsibly of the blasts. We warn all of Assam and India of such situation like this in future. We thank all our holy members and partners. Aamin."

The sender was tracked down to be a Reliance user, Nazir Ahmed from Moirabri area in Nagaon district. Sources say ISF-IM could be Islamic Security Force and might have allegiance to Indian Mujahideen. Sarma said: "There is no such organization in the state but we are looking into it. It could be a new name being used."


The state has its own two Muslim fundamentalist organizations - Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA) and Muslim United Liberation Front of Assam (MULFA) - but police describe them to be weak, limited to gun running and counterfeit currency, sources said.

Investigators in Guwahati — which was worst-hit — are struggling to find clues from the three blast sites because a huge quantity of water was used to douse the fires and chemical and particle traces were washed away.

"The blast sites in Barpeta Road, Kokrajhar and Bongaigaon will provide definite clues but they have to be compared with those found in Guwahati to see if the same explosives were used," a source said.

The NSG team is trying to correlate Thursday's attack with the eight other serial blasts in the country so far.

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Postby Victor » 01 Nov 2008 07:12

The day before the bombing, thousands of Muslims descended on Guwahati unchecked from all over Assam to see off Haj pilgrims. Some buses and cars were driving the wrong way on one-way streets and nobody bothered to stop or correct them. CM Gogoi was unable to visit the bombed sites the next day because he was busy seeing off the Haj pilgrims at Guwahati airport and handing out trinkets.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Singha » 01 Nov 2008 08:32

oh yeah the big tent at borjhar airport, the halal steaks and special facilities for
his faithful flock...arent they going to make a permanent Haj terminal to serve
their flock better.

>> but police describe them to be weak, limited to gun running and
>> counterfeit currency

:rotfl: that should tell you where we are - gun running and fake notes dont even
register on the radar anymore. its a free for all.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Victor » 01 Nov 2008 09:10

The govt is doggedly dragging ULFA into this as local facilitators as if the bloody bangladeshis needed any more help in Assam to feel completely at home. Beards, skull caps and lungis walk around freely without even bothering to hide their BD dialects any more. This is completely different from even a decade ago.

About the Haj-bound trinkets, apparently the Hajees (?) from other states don't have such goodies and those from Assam therefore stand out in Makkah for their relative good fortune and official support, obviously reflecting very well on m/s Gogoi et al. The large tent at Borjhar now has an elaborate mock-Arabian facade which must have cost a small fortune for such a temporary structure.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby amitk » 01 Nov 2008 09:15

shiv wrote:Allah and his Prophet of peace involved in murder as predicted. :roll:

I had cross-posted something similar in the thread "What approach do you support for islamist extremism?".
The root cause of all this is Mohammed and no one but him should be blamed. For all the non-muslims out here, try to imagine being born a muslim and forced to follow mohammed's teachings. It is not their fault to be born muslim. THEY are the bigger victims of mohammed and his extremism.
As disastrous and deplorable as these recent bomb blasts have been, they have a small silver lining - more people have started paying attention to muslims. And while people are paying attention, divert all of it towards the ills of islam and mohammed. Make a hue and cry about the bad deeds of mohammed. Talk to your friends about this guy who married a 6-yr old whne he was 50+, and married his own daughter-in-law. That should get them interested.

We can only "win" by getting regular muslim people away from islam. Muslims can and should be part of the solution. Unless this is recognised, we will still be fighting against fake enemies. Bring more muslim contributers to BR. Convince them to leave islam.

That doesnt mean the solution is to mollycoddle people like Afzal. If you cannot bring people away from islam, the only choice that remains is to punish them appropriately. Separate the chaff from the wheat so to speak. A person can either stay muslim and follow islam completely or get out of it. That way will be easy for us to recognise who the enemy is. No moderate business. Infact I would like to argue that "moderate" muslims are worse than the extremists. They shield the extremists from the non-muslims. They try to make islam look good. This is a case of stockholm syndrome.

As a start, we should petition APJ to leave islam. He reads the Bhagavad Gita, is probably vegetarian and already has security protection. It is easy for the muslims to point to him and say - he is a real muslim which proves that islam is good.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby sum » 01 Nov 2008 10:40

Link
Terrorism: the gathering storm

Even a government that often appears to have its eyes glued shut could not have failed to read the message delivered by the Assam serial bombings: that great dangers lie ahead for a nation facing a sustained terror offensive of unprecedented lethality. It is too early to come to any firm opinion on which group carried out Thursday’s attack. At this point, many experts suspect the hand of the Harkat ul-Jihad-e-Islami — a feared jihadist group that has carried out dozens of bombings in India and Bangladesh. HUJI clearly hopes to exploit the communal situation in Assam, which recently saw brutal clashes between Muslims and Bodo adivasis. Investigators believe HUJI was responsible for last month’s bombing in Agartala — the first-ever jihadist attack in Tripura. Four HUJI operatives were killed in a recent encounter along the India-Bangladesh border at Dhurbi and several HUJI members are known to have crossed the border. Assam authorities believe the Islamist group would not be able to mount an operation of this scale without logistical support from the United Liberation Front of Asom. ULFA has denied any role in the bombings but its past record of collaboration with Bangladesh-based Islamist groups lends some weight to the suspicion.

What the Government of India needs to do is to take seriously the strategic context of the terror campaign of which the Assam bombings are a part. Jihadists across South Asia have gained strength over the past two years. In southern Afghanistan, they have registered military successes that have made high British military officials warn that the war against the Taliban cannot be won. Jihadists have taken de facto control of large swathes of Pakistan’s north-west. Bangladesh, which on the day of the Assam bombings put HUJI chief Mufti Mohammad Hannan and 21 operatives on trial for a 2004 grenade attack on former Prime Minister Khalida Zia, has failed to break the powerful terror networks the country is home to. In India, too, jihadists have acquired unprecedented influence — in no small measure because of the abject failure of the Indian state and political system to check and combat Hindutva-led communal violence. :roll: All this points to a gathering storm. The United Progressive Alliance is fast losing its legitimacy on this defining issue as a general election nears. Far too many Indians have died for it to claim it is doing the state’s first duty — protecting the lives and elementary liberties of its citizens. It is time a change was made at the helm of the Union Home Ministry, if only to demonstrate that collective responsibility cannot possibly mean that nobody takes the rap for a system’s appalling failure.

Hard to believe that this s a Chindu editorial!!! :eek:

Of course, there is a small justification (which i have bolded). But,if that was true, i would love to know as to how mallu muslims turn up in J&K esp since "hyper-secular" parties have always been in power in Kerala and the only reason for muslims there to revolt would be over-pampering!!!!

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Singha » 01 Nov 2008 13:03

TelegraphIndia

Killer car trail takes cops to motorbike
OUR CORRESPONDENT

Guwahati, Oct. 31: A bank agent and two others, bound by a motorbike whose registration number matched that affixed to a “bomb car”, were picked up in Assam for questioning this evening.

The three, detained in central Assam’s Nagaon district, have been identified as Aris Mohammad Nijami, Julfiquar Ali and Emarul Ali.

Nagaon deputy commissioner J. Balaji said the registration number of one of the cars in which a bomb was planted in Guwahati’s Panbazar was that of a bike owned by Julfiquar.

But the motorcycle, said to have been bought through a loan arranged by Nijami, was being used by Emarul. Nijami is the commission agent of a private bank and not its direct employee, police said.

Balaji said a probe was on to find out whether the matching numbers was a coincidence or there was a link.

Sources at the chief minister’s office said forensic tests of the samples collected by a seven-member NSG team had confirmed that a cocktail of RDX, ammonium nitrate and phthalic anhydride was used in the blasts that claimed 46 lives in Guwahati alone. The toll in the state has been put at 81 with the blasts in Barpeta Road accounting for 14 deaths and Kokrajhar 21.

“Ammonium nitrate was used as an accelerator to increase the impact of the blasts and ensure mass casualty. Phthalic anhydride is an inflammable crystallised powder,” a source said.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is arriving here on a three-hour visit tomorrow afternoon. Congress president Sonia Gandhi is also expected to accompany Singh.

The deputy inspector-general (central western range), G.P. Singh, said investigators had collated the registration numbers, chassis numbers and engine numbers of the three Maruti 800 cars in which the explosives were suspected to have been planted.

Claim through SMS

A group called Islamic Security Force (Indian Mujaheedin) today claimed responsibility for the serial blasts.

“We, ISF (IM) take responsibility of Thursday’s blasts. We warn all of Assam and India for situation like this in future. We thank all our holy members and partners...Amin,” a text message to a TV channel said.

The SMS was sent from the mobile number 98646-93690 which was registered against one Nazir Ahmed of Moirabari in central Assam’s Morigaon district.

The cell connection was taken from a Hi-fi Cell Point in Moirabari, the owner of which has been picked up.

IGP (special branch) Khagen Sarma said such a group was formed a few years ago and police were checking whether the text message was sent by the same outfit.

According to a US portal, the group was formed in 2000 to avenge attacks on Muslims by Bodo militants. One Muhammad Mustaqil is said to be the leader of the group

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Singha » 01 Nov 2008 13:10

IBN - alert alert - The PM and headmistress are on the prowl.

Guwahati: Assam Police have detained four people in connection with Thursday’s serial bomb blasts in four cities of the state.

One of those detained has been identified as Rabijit Baruah from Nalbari. Baruah is suspected to be a United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) cadre.

The investigators are also trying to find out if Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahideen, which claimed responsibility for the multiple blasts, is the new face of Indian Mujahideen.

Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahideen sent an SMS to a local TV news channel on Friday claiming responsibility for the blasts.

Assam Police have confirmed the receipt of the SMS and say that such an organisation did exist and was formed in 2002.

The organisation also warned of more bombings in the state and across India.

Indian Mujahideen had been claiming responsibility for the serial blasts that have rocked New Delhi, Ahmedabad, bagalore and Jaipur in the past few months.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi are touring Assam and will meet Governor Shiv Charan Mathur, Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi and other top officials.

The duo will also meet the people injured in the blasts at the Guwahati Medical College Hospital.

However, political leaders are having a tough time convincing the people. Bharatiya Janat party leader LK Advani was heckled by a group of Guwahati residents on Friday as he was touring the blast-hit areas.

Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil, too, had to assure agitated people in Kokrajhar on Friday that strong action would be taken against those behind the blasts.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby sugriva » 01 Nov 2008 20:02

Was looking through the list of casualties in the blasts in Assam
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/det ... t3108/at01
and
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/det ... v0108/at02
Looks like that people of all communities cropped it in the blasts
In Guwahati,
Some of the dead who have been identified in the last 36 hours are Yazul Haque, Nekib Ali, Hari Prasad Sarkar, Chandful Kalita, Umesh Haloi, Bipul Kalita, Rubul Ali, Naren Das, Dinesh Das, Bikash Dutta, Mokib Ali, Bhabendra Deb Sarmah, Moni Barman, Pitalu T Yepta, Rajesh Choudhury, Abul Kalam Ahmed, Reena Deka, Sunanda Talukdar, GY Randipi, Dilip Borah, Manju Mandal, Rohit Das, Sonali Janah, Utpal Barman, Deepamoni Saikia, Mamoni Saloi, Sonali Ali, Samarjeet Kalita, Jagat Das, Tulen Das, Mahesh Chandra Sahu, Jyotsna Sinha and Ratul Das.
In Barpeta Road
The eleven deceased have been identified as Jayanta Das 32 (Dhupguri), Manik Saha 24 (Babupara, Barpeta Road), Abu Bakkar Khan, 38, (Khudnabaki), Amzad Hussain-40 (Barapeta), Hussain Ali -32 (North Barpeta Road), Abdul Aziz 50 (Athgaon), Manser Ali-50 (Katajhar), Abubakkar Siddique (Barapeta), Abdul Rahim-65 (Khairabari), Uma Kulsan Bibi-25 (Bunmaja Pathar) and Nishi Kanta Das-60. (Atagaon).
In Kokrajhar it appears that Bengali speaking Hindus cropped it the most

So if people of all communities, linguistic and religious cropped it, who could be behind the blasts?

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby shiv » 01 Nov 2008 20:29

sugriva wrote:
So if people of all communities, linguistic and religious cropped it, who could be behind the blasts?


Bloody Hindu fundamentalists musta done it.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Singha » 01 Nov 2008 20:53

certain members of a deluded assamese forum are also saying the IM is a
creation of the RAW. thats also a theory - RAW did it!
why? does not matter, so long as people get to blame the Govt or Yindu terror
rather than the real terrorists their agenda is served

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby CRamS » 01 Nov 2008 21:14

Barely 2-3 days since a devstating Islamic terrorost attack in India, and the news has all but disappeared from the media. Just look at msn India home page; all worthless crap. Mera Bharat mahan.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby ezra » 02 Nov 2008 00:19

[quote="Vivek Sreenivasan"]Condolences to the victims families, 56 dead 350 injured is no minor deal.

(Just another symptom of the infection that has slowly spread through the Indian body politic).

Yes, just like a disease attacking the body a cure has to be found.

The government at present are engaged in a reactive exercise and have no proactive measures or an ineffective one at best. Thus the 'roaches' have no need in India to blow themselves up with their bombs to ensure an explosion. They can easily disappear, unlike in other countries where they know that they will be hunted down and exterminated, hence the need for suicide bombs.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby vsudhir » 02 Nov 2008 00:45

Perhaps BRF's resident sociologists can confirm this, but seems like history and sociology too appears to follow a rather irregular pattern. Highly 'nonlinear', to over-stress a cliche.

So the Marxists, mullahs and missionaries are measuring yindoo response with 1 bum-series here, some conversions there, some treachery over there etc and see little response. Next time they double the dose, again, little response. And so on. But and this is the big BUT(t), doesn't mean the next higher dose will also elicit a same low level response again. Godhra showed that things can sometimes go ballistic.

The BD scum doing gandagee in yindia will also invite some supermassive retaliation is they trip that unseen threshold. As long as the ISI and pals keep things boiling but not boiling over, they and their yindian ass-ets are safe, seems like.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Lalmohan » 02 Nov 2008 00:47

[quote="sum]..The oldest insurgent group in India actively stoked by the British missionaries during its inception stages.[/quote]

American baptists no? they were at odds with the anglicans and catholics from what i've read... also it seems that the catholic church of india (goan and kerelan priests) are trying to keep the peace in Nagaland but is up against a powerful Baptist lobby with plenty of funding

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby harbans » 02 Nov 2008 01:18

Sudhir ji, yes the doses will double, triple, even go hundred fold or more. Maybe there will be a reaction like Gujarat. But what of it? What did Gujarat solve? An almost equal number of Hindu's were killed and yet it's termed as genocide and NM not given a visa. whereas the perpetrators of mass genocide 3 million and mass rape of 1971 had no issues in travelling to US or anywhere.

What happened in Nellie or Gujarat are ridulculously idiotic and turns a large section of Hindu's to the path that Arundhati and KTs and Vir Sanghvis take. More opprobrium on Hindu's. The rest then sulk and withdraw, shamed. Meanwhile every second we are outbred. There will be peace for a very long time indeed after such incidents against minorities. But it will also be laced with pseudo secularism dominating every section of the headlines at the expense of the majority dharmic community. Meanwhile we will be outbred and vote bank politics will always be against us. This is a losing battle. Ghazwa e Hind is being accomplished brilliantly. If you react you are a sucker, if you don't you're a sucker. One needs solutions above just knee jerk 'teach a lesson' reaction to this phenomena.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby vsudhir » 02 Nov 2008 01:51

Meanwhile we will be outbred and vote bank politics will always be against us. This is a losing battle. Ghazwa e Hind is being accomplished brilliantly. If you react you are a sucker, if you don't you're a sucker. One needs solutions above just knee jerk 'teach a lesson' reaction to this phenomena.


You may well be right.

It is as I feared. India may well be lost. Small loss in the cosmic scheme of things, perhaps.

Am reminded of Sunny Deol's class line in 'Ghayal'

Jaanwar se ladne ke liye kabhi kabhi jaanwar banna padta hai


What happened in East Punjab and Haryana in 1947-48 is testimony to the (at least partial) truth in this dictum.

Sure, there'll always be high-minded folk saying "if you fite back using their methods, how would you be any better than them?" types. Perhaps we are all waiting for the existential crisis that will rip away the last vestiges of our civility. Right now the only ones getting agitated (like the hindutwavadis, for instance) are those who believe that we are indeed facing an existential crisis.

A second partition is nigh. And what will remain could well be a moth-eaten India. The yindoos deserve no less. They are condemned to have their history written by whatever conquers them (again). I hope some gyan will dawn after this second partition and we will not repeat the mistakes of the first one.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby harbans » 02 Nov 2008 02:39

Sudhir ji, a 2nd partition is indeed nigh. We have no strength to prevent it, however many squadrons of MRCA and ATVs we get. The unfinished business of partition was/ is not Kashmir as the Pakis like to say. It was getting a homeland for those that voted for Pakistan. Most are in India. We failed them, and Pakistan did not want them after 1951. Why did we keep those that voted for Pakistan? Is it not our failure? Does it not hurt them to stay under the secular ideals we cherish? The fault indeed is ours as a nation. Is that not an unfinished part of a plebiscite already undertaken and won by those that voted Pakistan?

My case is why Arundhati Roy does not take that as an issue. It is a vote already against us. Why not a separate state for them. They do not want to be in India. They hate it. They will form SIMI, IM etc..and torment us. We deserve it because we did NOTHING to give them their say.

Why did we never argue against Pakistan for freezing Muslim immigration from India in 1951. Is that not our weakness, our fault? Do you blame Muslims who voted Pakistan and wanted desperately to go there, being stiffled against their wishes in India? This is indeed our fault and fallacy. We cannot and must not blame them for the Azamgarhi culture and distaste for India and Hindu. They voted point blank before. They said so before. 70 years ago. Our fault indeed.

This is the unfinished business of partition.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Mahendra » 02 Nov 2008 02:57

Stop painting doomsday scenarios Harbansji our PM will speak to Pak and Bangla if needed

group of unidentified people waved black flags as the PM's convoy drove into the city from the airport


"Smt Sonia Gandhi and I are here to express our solidarity with the people of the state in this hour of great grief and sorrow. Our heartfelt sympathies are with all those who have lost their near and dear ones and to those injured," the PM said.


See how promptly the government has done its duty, see how much the government cares for the people of north east, please appreciate the effort that PM and super PM in making the ardous journey to the North East. Another Partition my foot, it has already happened

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby harbans » 02 Nov 2008 03:45

Vaman ji, by the unfinished business of partition i meant sending those who voted for Pakistan (West or East, whatever), there. We failed to do that. Pakistan promptly put in laws after 1951 preventing immigration fromthe muslim community. We did nothing to prevent or protest against Pakistan doing so. But then when we have not done so, how do we morally retain so many who did vote against us?

How do you intend to prevent another partition? In another 150-200 years i see Hinduism in India as we know today pretty similar to Hinduism in Bangladesh or Pakistan today. Non existent. Whats your solution?

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Mahendra » 02 Nov 2008 04:33

Harbansji

I understand what you meant

I dont have an answer to your question, just hoping that the present generation which doesnt carry the baggage of being slaves of the British would develop long term strategic views and do something about it. India has always lacked strong leadership hopefully the tide will turn.

I wouldnt paint the entire muslim community as being anti national, a majority may still have hidden yearning for Darul Islam in India but there are too many permutations and combinations that would need to be factored into. I dont see Hindus being relegated to Dhimmi status in the next 100 years, advances in science would have rendered religion irrelevant by then, the Islam spreading Arab camel Jockeys would hopefully go back to raping their camels and raiding neigbouring clans and snatching their women but then this is only my view, I cant brush off what you are saying

What I meant by "partition has already happened " is that the North East is almost lost, with BeeDees maing up nearly 50% of the population there is no way the issue can be solved without taking drastic steps, who will bell the cat ..UPA? no way, BJP no way, the days of Raj Thackeray like people ruling certain areas is not far off, and if I am not wrong, native Assamese would rather have a Assamese goon ruling the streets than a multicolored lungi BeeDeeJihadi.

What is more disheartening is that the twits in Delhi are still sleeping, still talking about talking to Bangladesh. What is your plan of action? Pushing all BeeDees into BeeDesh isnt a possibility

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Prem » 02 Nov 2008 05:07

Opening Muslim immigration from India to Pakistan should be a part of CBM/ composite dialogue / IWT renogtiation with Pakistan. There many Muslims in india who has the right , desire and desreve to live in this land of Islam and these people should not be forced live with kaffir indians. Restriction on Muslims of India exercising their rightful claim on Pakistan is Unnsilamic and violation of their inheritance /Ummah rights . Pakistan owe this to IM as religious and constitutional duty.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby harbans » 02 Nov 2008 05:11

Good post and valid points, even though it is very truthfully despondent like my post. Before the Mahabharatha began, Krishna last minute literally went and tried to make peace. This did not work out. Then Arjun was despondent, unwilling to fight. But before we get to all that, we try and see if technology works. We must massively take the burden of oil and gas off us. We must work within 2 or 3 decades to scientifically get sources of energy that will make our dependence on fossil fuels less dependent on the ME. We must work out really DRASTIC responses to acts of superterrorism. If the Jains strike India, we must strike Jains out of existence wherever they are, same if the Buddhists explode nukes in India we must wipe Buddhism out wherever it exists, or if the Martians strike us with nukes even through non state actors we must be prepared to end Martians wherever they are, including sending probes with weapons to Mars to finish them off. Jains, Buddhists, Martians have no right to exist in India or elsewhere if they indulge in acts of superterrorism.

But despite that, we will be outbred. We have no solution to it. Acts of superterrorism worry many practitioners of the Religion of peace (MJA, Shabana,), unlike the practitioners of Jains, Buddhists, Martianism. The religion of peace is too advanced. Even simple innocent polio vaccine drops are rejected. They are right. They have interpreted a potential response to their winning formula and have acted prior to the threat it can possess. While the seculars and Hindutva laugh to their 'backwardness', i think they have good forward vision. They know if actually the polio drops ARE contaminated, the Ghazwa e Hind vision is doomed. So maybe a 1000 children languish of polio, but thats worth it. They are honest, and told their fears in all honesty.

Yes there are solutions, multiple ones and then there are none at the same time. Saying Hinduism survived 2000 years of Hinduism intact, is pure foolish bravado. Its lost chunks of territory and people to invaders. India is the moth eaten nation. Pakistan has a bright future as things go, begging bowl not withstanding. It is important not to see India back 3000 years but envisage 200 years more.

The trouble as you rightly put is not even that, it is that our leaders even now cannot figure out this threat from the Jains, Buddhists and Martians. We need extraordinary help and courage to secure our land for the next generations.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby shyamd » 02 Nov 2008 05:37

'Blasts a ploy to increase infiltration'
The Intelligence Bureau attaches two theories to these blasts, the first one being to avenge the gunning down of 7 Harkat ul Jehad Islamiya militants on the Assam border recently. The IB also says that this could be a ploy to increase infiltration into Assam.
M K Dhar, former joint director of the IB says that the latest incident does not bear an United Liberation Front of Asom signature. Also the blasts have taken place in areas which are strongholds of the HuJI.



All talk about the ULFA being involved is mere speculation and the ULFA does not have any reason to undertake a blast of this nature at this moment.

Dhar says that the killing of the 7 HuJI terrorists is one of the main reasons behind the blasts and the HuJI sought to warn the government against the killing of their cadres. He also adds that there have been communal riots in Bodo areas and the blasts could have been retaliatory in nature.



Dhar adds that this could be undertaken by both the HuJI in coordination with the local modules. There are around 8 local modules operating in various parts of Assam. These modules have been supporting HuJI for a long time now.



The blast is another indication to show that Bangladesh-based outfits seek to stamp their authority on Assam.



Dhar says that the fight for Assam by both Bangladesh and Pakistan has been a long one and this is just another step to seek a claim on the state.



Infiltration:



The IB says that over the years Bangladesh based militants have managed to sneak in several of their members into Assam. It is just a repeat of what is happening in Kashmir, the IB adds.



Security needs to be beefed up in the Assam area on the lines of Kashmir if this problem needs to be controlled. They also add that Kashmir has a well defined army in position and over the years it has made infiltration tougher. However that is not the case in Assam.



|Dhar says that curbing infiltration into Assam is the only way to fight terror. He says that apart from controlling infiltration, there is also a need to fight local modules which have been helping outfits such as the HuJI carry out terror strikes.



Statistics available with the Border Security Force would indicate that since 1972 at least 12 lakh Bangladeshis who have come into India on valid papers have gone missing. While a majority of them stay back in areas of Assam and West Bengal, recent trends have shown that many have started migrating to southern India also.



Reports also suggest that Assam been acting as a gateway for Bangladeshi immigrants for a long time.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby RamaY » 02 Nov 2008 08:02

vaman wrote:Harbansji
I wouldn’t paint the entire Muslim community as being anti national, a majority may still have hidden yearning for darul-Islam in India but there are too many permutations and combinations that would need to be factored into.


As long as secular muslims pretend that it is not their problem (being indians) and is the problem of Hindu governments (like some POV as the govt is yours and why don’t you solve the problem logic), they will be perceived as supporters of the Darul-Islam supporters.

We haven't seen a single prominent Indian Islamic leader, including all these political leaders, chief ministers and presidents, come out with a clear and to the point statement that the Muslim majority must thank Hindu india for its secularism after the painful partition and they should change Islamic lifestyle to suit Indian culture and civic society...

People may say it is not their job. But it doesn’t do them or the nation they love honestly any good.

Imagine president Kalaam making a clear statement requesting Indian Muslims to obey the law and not blame law-enforcement for their problems. Before questioning my statement, please note that he didn’t condemn the mulayam and Amar Singh's statement on nuke deal showing him as the sole representative of IMs...

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby ezra » 02 Nov 2008 09:19

[quote="harbans"]Sudhir ji, a 2nd partition is indeed nigh. We have no strength to prevent it, however many squadrons of MRCA and ATVs we get.]

All this defeatist and negative talk must be heartening to the 'vermin' this side and accross the border who cowardly attack a peace loving nation:
NO, India will not retreat 1 inch from kashmir or any other piece of soil it owns.
NO, there will be no talk of partition or wisper of it , those elements that seek to divide the country will be destroyed and defeated.
NO,every bomb blast only serves to strengten the resolve of the Indian people.
Lets not forget who's war the 'vermin' are fighting..

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2008 09:27

TOI

Since Friday night, police have arrested three persons, including the owner of the mobile phone
, from which the hitherto unknown outfit,
"Islamic Security Force", sent and SMS, claiming the responsibility of the blasts. Assam Police inspector general (operations) Bhaskar Mahanta, however, said, "We are interrogating Nazim Ahmed from Morigaon district's Moirabari, the owner of the mobile phone. "

Mahanta said that of the seven outgoing messages recovered from Ahmed's phone, one was sent to a Vodafone number in New Delhi, two to some agencies and the rest to two other persons, who have been identified. Mahanta also said that the SIM card was used in two other handsets and the owners of these two other handsets have also been identified.

Police have also arrested the husband of the owner of the Maruti 800, which was used as a car bomb at the DC Court. Tikendra Saikia, who hails from Biharigaon in Nagaon district, has been brought to Guwahati. Saikia claims that he had sold off his car to a Maruti TrueValue outlet in Guwahati, but the investigators have found some inconsistencies in his statement.

Mahanta said the car bomb used at Ganeshguri was sold by a Maruti dealer in Itanagar. The sleuths are also examining third Maruti 800 used in the Fancy Bazar area.

Meanwhile, an advocate has claimed to have seen two persons, who he suspects to have planted the car bomb on the DC Court premises. Police said a sketch would be prepared with the description provided by the advocate and for that and artist would be flown in from Kolkata. Two investigating teams, who had handled Delhi and Jaipur blasts, are also arriving in Guwahati to assist Assam Police, sources said.

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby sum » 02 Nov 2008 10:31

Link
Tauqeer hand in Assam blasts too?
2 Nov 2008, 0401 hrs IST, Prabin Kalita and Nirmalya Banerjee, TNN

GUWAHATI: Security agencies probing the Assam serial blasts have come across names of two top jihadis — Tauqeer and Jehangir — in messages
intercepted in the past two days. Some of these messages — congratulatory in nature — had originated from two neighbouring countries, the intelligence sources said
.

The name of Tauqeer had surfaced in a big way after the recent blasts in Mumbai, Delhi and Ahmedabad, though the security forces were not sure if it was the same Tauqeer. Abdus Subhan Qureshi, also known as Tauqeer, has been close to Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and was on the radar of Mumbai police after the serial train blasts in July 2006. He was also a suspect in the blasts in Ahmedabad and Delhi. The second person, Jehangir, is now believed to be in Bangladesh.

From the contents of these messages, the security forces now are convinced about the involvement of Islamic fundamentalists behind the blasts. Investigators in Guwahati are also trying to find out the role of the ISI and the Directorate General of Forces Intelligence of Bangladesh (DGFI) behind the explosions.

Intelligence sources claim that the planning and assembling of the explosives took place in Bangladesh and Ulfa cadres brought the bombs to Assam and planted them at the nine locations.

Sources said that Ulfa, which had been put to the mat by the security forces in the past few years, was desperate to prove its presence, but at the same time, it's now unable to come out of the ISI clutch. Sources said that Ulfa commander-in-chief has frequently been flying in and out of Pakistan and visited Dhaka four months ago.

Investigators have also stumbled upon a startling fact that in the past few years, the number of Muslim youths recruited by Ulfa has increased drastically.

The state cabinet, which met here on Saturday morning, has officially been informed by the home department that there is clear evidence of the Ulfa-jihadi hand behind the blasts.

Question is : what are we going to do about it after all this info is gathered other than "talking" to BD about this? :-?

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Re: Bomb blasts in assam

Postby Victor » 02 Nov 2008 11:42

ezra wrote:All this defeatist and negative talk must be heartening to the 'vermin' this side and accross the border who cowardly attack a peace loving nation:
NO, India will not retreat 1 inch from kashmir or any other piece of soil it owns.
NO, there will be no talk of partition or wisper of it , those elements that seek to divide the country will be destroyed and defeated.
NO,every bomb blast only serves to strengten the resolve of the Indian people.
Lets not forget who's war the 'vermin' are fighting..


Hear, hear.

We have ideas and the means to implement them. We just don't have the political leadership and will. None of the solutions are easy or painless but neither is the amputation of a gangrenous leg that guarantees death if left untreated. We have discussed some solutions here repeatedly and to my knowledge the only dissenting notes were from jehadi trolls. This tells us we may be touching a nerve. Here are a couple:

* We cannot invade our neighbors arbitrarily yet but we can react to a major humanitarian disaster and engineer new realities on the ground just like the western countries did in E. Timor & Kosovo. So engineer a rebellion in Chittagong Hill Tracts. This should be easy enough since the area has a Buddhist tribal majority and is being ethnically cleansed in the most brutal manner by BD Muslims without so much as a peep from India or the "international community". Atrocities are rampant and on any given day, our media should have a field day with lurid coverage provided they are not too squeamish about blaming the Peaceful perpetrators for a change. Once a rebellion is started, the doors to India should be opened for Buddhist persecuted (emphasize this for the Richard Gere types) to keep them safe from the Peaceful who will escalate the daily rapes and murders to mass scale. The resulting major refugee crisis should be splashed all over the media and the a.roys of the world instigated to come into form or remain silent forever. Then liberate the CHT in a selfless manner as befitting a big brother (what to do, we are that onlee) and return the refugees to their rightful homes after they vote to join India as the 8th Northeastern state next to Mizoram & Tripura. The bonus for India and the Northeast will be direct access to the Bay of Bengal and cutting off bangladesh's land link to china via northern Burma. Chittagong port can become a major Indian naval base and squeeze the chinese plans in Sittwe.

* Simultaneously instigate the Peaceful armies both to our west and east to do the manly 1:10 thing and proceed to kick their ass hard, declare a unilateral cease fire and withdraw to a preset new "border" that includes a "buffer zone" to ensure a check on jihadi infiltration. Immediately fence off and mine this border to make it impregnable. In the west, this buffer zone should include a link to northern Afghanistan and give India a land route to Central Asia. The bonuses here are that we can declare one rule of law all over India and truck and dump all illegal, undesirable and recalcitrant Peacefuls in India to this buffer zone along with the EJs to keep both busy.


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