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RR Patil just arrived...talks are still on with terrorists!
I don't know why we are talking with the terrorists. It can only result in an ending that we will repent later. No negotiations with terrorists must be our policy even if it means loss of life.

CNN Watch: Deepak Chopra is talking about backlash on muslim by Hindu fundamentalists. He mentions that message is for US. One thing he spot on is that Western policies are funding and fuelling these terrorism. I also felt that as soon as he started attacking western policies, he was cut short by the anchor and they went on to a different segment.
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TSPA needs to be directly hit. This pussy footing and victimhood plays by various elements of TSP should not be tolerated. Everyone there are playing some form of victimhood.
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Austin wrote:My salute to the brave officers and policeman who were martyred fighting the terrorist , condolences to the family who lost their near and dear ones :cry:

Once again terror strikes Mumbai , and Mumbai is no secure and better then it was in 1993 :cry:

God Bless Bharat
Amen.
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I still cant comprehend the ATS losses.

Looks like a Hail Mary from the ISI. Was there a trigger?

Isloo, Karachi and Pindi will have to burn for this.
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Saw Uday Bhaskar's interview on CNN - very nice; appeared honest and yet made the right connotations of Paki involvement. And that Mallika chick is doing a fairly decent job with the coverage too.
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I hope the people enagaged in cqb hostage rescue have the full face visor and bp helmets used by bideshi swat - atleast the NSG ought to have this and share with marcos. the marcos trooper I saw on TV perched on a landing in the Taj had no headgear.

BPJs are ok for the torso and people can survive leg or arm wounds but
head protection and face protection is a must esp when grenades are being thrown around.

this is a pic of a GIGN in practice. note the face mask and the bpj
extending down well into the groin region.

http://www.loup.org/spip/IMG/jpg/gign-s ... no-1-g.jpg
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sunilUpa wrote:RR Patil just arrived...talks are still on with terrorists!
He is going to announce something right now.
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Nayak wrote:
amol.p wrote:Dear All,

AL THE TERRORISTS ARE LOCAL GUYS:

1] No person coming from pakistan or karachi will know excat locations of hotels and station
2] As per the attack carried out the drove on mumbai roads and went till vile parle, borivali...how come they know mumbai roads.
3] i have styed in mumbai for 2 yrs and I too dnot know how to drive to these different locations
4] When they got down from bozts at coloba they spoke in hindi with fishermen
5] These guys told that they have come from kerala
6] HOW COME THESE GUYS DONT HAVE BEARDS IF THEY COME FROM PAKISTAN

THESE ALL ARE INDIA MUSLIMS FROM MUMBAI AND SURROUNDINGS
1] They would have been guided by the local pigs.
2] Local pigs acting as guide
3] You are not adventorous
4] Hindi/Urdu
5] How do you know that ?
6] How come the 911 attackers did not have beards ?

Anymore pears of wisdoms to the un-educated here ?
One of the news channel reporters interviewed the fisherfolk in the koli villages in colaba. amol is perhaps refering to this interview in which a local woman said that , when fishermen asked the pigs about their origin they said kerala.
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Not really they killed on ein karachi jsut before Bush was visiting to give message. And then they bombed the base at which Dick Cheney was staying overnight. Nothing happened. Life goes on with your favorite terrorist. Wonder what those turds on CNN are saying now.
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Everyone talking about Pakistan.How do you forget where the funding for all this ba****** come from ? Its your own oil money from our friend KSA coming back to kill you ! The chinkies would only be too happy to help them of course with intel on how to avoid the Indian surveillance .
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Deepak Chopra just ranted off on CNN International about how 25% percent of the world population is muslim and as we (US) increasingly alienate the muslims, the moderates are turning into extremists...

CNN Int'l host rolled his eyes, cut him off in the middle of a sentence and moved on...
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vivek_ahuja wrote:One MARCOS has been killed in action according to CNN IBN
16 policemen and one MARCO. These are not ordinary pigs, I wouldnt be surprised if they were SSG.
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I can't believe what I am seeing on NDTV. They could freely go to back entrance of Taj where Army personnel are deployed to prevent escpe attempt...show all that and then have the nerve to say that all TVs inside are disconnected and terrorists can't see this.

But their contacts outside can see and alert them on phone MORONS...
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Rahul Shukla wrote:Deepak Chopra just ranted off on CNN International about how 25% percent of the world population is muslim and as we (US) increasingly alienate the muslims, the moderates are turning into extremists...

CNN Int'l host rolled his eyes, cut him off in the middle of a sentence and moved on...
Yeah! watched that and hope some of Indian media follows that type of reporting in the future. Good job CNN.
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Timesofindia ticker reporting that the new Taj building is also reporting of a fire breaking out
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sunilUpa wrote:I can't believe what I am seeing on NDTV. They could freely go to back entrance of Taj where Army personnel are deployed to prevent escpe attempt...show all that and then have the nerve to say that all TVs inside are disconnected and terrorists can't see this.

But their contacts outside can see and alert them on phone MORONS...
They should have jammed the entire south Mumbai by shutting down all the wireless towers.
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This has to be a tipping point.

If it's proved without doubt that the pigs came from Karachi then it shows the ISI is no longer worried about pretenses and is sending a open, clear message to India and the world.

In a way that's good. That will be the end to shadow boxing and the start of the real thing. With no plausible desirability our effeminate ruling class will either have to respond vigorously or loose all respect in the eyes of the aam admi. I think there's only so much that ordinary folks in this land can take.
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More communication = more intel.
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Muppalla wrote:
sunilUpa wrote:I can't believe what I am seeing on NDTV. They could freely go to back entrance of Taj where Army personnel are deployed to prevent escpe attempt...show all that and then have the nerve to say that all TVs inside are disconnected and terrorists can't see this.

But their contacts outside can see and alert them on phone MORONS...
They should have jammed the entire south Mumbai by shutting down all the wireless towers.
Unfortunately, such are the pathetic state of affairs that doing something like shutting down the wireless towers would also shut down all police and security personnel communications except Army ones...
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Bhurka asking RR Patil whether we are negotiating, when RR replied in negative, she is like but Sir, they have guns and hostages, and they may get hurt...

RR - We have thought about that and taken the decision, otherwise Commandos would have been in long back!

WOW Burkha!
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Narendra Modi on India TV -

1. This is an attack to target Indian economic activity.

2. Requested the EDITED singh to immediately convey the chief ministers conferance on internal security.

3. He specifically mentioned that the very fact the attackers came from sea is very dangerous and asked MMS to specifically convey chief ministers conferance of maritime states to tackle the situation.

4.When the anchor keep on asking him if this is an intellligence failure, he told not to politicise the matter and India is in the middle of a terror war and as such this is not the right time to comment on intelligence failure .

5. The anchor was asking whether Indian mujahideen was responsible for this and this is a home grown terror, modi replied not to jump to conclusions yet .

6.He said he is pleading with the media to everything possible to increase the people's morale and not do anything which will demoralise the security forces.
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They should have jammed the entire south Mumbai by shutting down all the wireless towers.
I wouldn't do that. We need to find out who the handlers are and cellphone is a good way of tracking it and also identifying other plans they may have.

When the terrorists are cornered, they do make calls to their handlers most of the time as we see in J&K and even other attacks deep inside India.
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How ATS team got shaheed.

Terrorists escaped from VT Station in two cars towards Cama Hospital.

ATS team including Karkare followed them in Qualis. The scums got down and followed the team while firing and killed the team point blank.

This is per CNN-IBN
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95 Indians died, no one cars, 6 goray died, and ToI reports it like the world has crashed.
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RR Patil confirming on TV that 1 terrorist has been caught alive. He is being interrogated by RAW, IB and other agencies.
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You Hot-Air Ayatollahs really make for poor jingos. I am very disappointed in the caliber of technical discussion on the new and improved BRF. If any of you really care about this issue please google for BPJ and you will find the differing standards. Don't take this thread on a whine tangent. If you have any common sense you will post this on the Mil side where you can actually have a decent discussion on this subject.

Also in case you kids missed it, the MARCOS were involved from very early in the game (see my first post many pages ago). They are far better qualified than any other asset available to MH govt when this crisis began. It takes time to assess the gravity of the situation, assemble a team, prep your gear, get on a plane and get to Mumbai and 200 NSG are very much required for the scale of ops in Oberoi. The small(er) MARCOS team held up VERY WELL till the NSG came to relive them. If we are lucky might get to hear what they did when some of them get their Ashok Chakra.

Some of you actually get the purpose of this thread: to post news/facts from ALL SOURCES that relate to this topic. The rest of you just want indulge in typographical flatulence. There is more noise than signal on this thread now.
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rgsrini wrote:
They should have jammed the entire south Mumbai by shutting down all the wireless towers.
I wouldn't do that. We need to find out who the handlers are and cellphone is a good way of tracking it and also identifying other plans they may have.

When the terrorists are cornered, they do make calls to their handlers most of the time as we see in J&K and even other attacks deep inside India.
And I would trust our security folks to be aware of the dangers. If the coverage was really detrimental I'm sure they'd have stopped it. Who knows may be its all a part of a psy-ops with the terrorists and their handlers.

As you say, one of the handlers might just get excited after seeing the broadcast and try to contact the piglets holed inside, thus providing vital clues.

Let's give our folks the benefit of having a bit more intelligence and experience in these matters than we have.
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There are some stupid bahadurgiri ops from Indian police now and then rather than going by Standard Operating Procedures. This leads to high casuality rate. Another worst aspect is to increase the morale of the juniors the seniors always lead from the front instead of following SOPs. Same things happened during anti-Maoist ops as well.
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Scums escaped in two cars, still out there.

Cars # MA01-Z102 and MA01-BA5179

Bag with huge Cash and RDX found near Taj.

5 shot dead and 9 detained (don't know how true it is)

I suspect they will booby-trap Taj with RDX
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rgsrini wrote: I also felt that as soon as he started attacking western policies, he was cut short by the anchor and they went on to a different segment.
Yes, that was nice but none of the news channels in our own country would dare such a thing. For them it would be unintellectual.

Per HT Shiva Patil finally holding meeting in Mumbai and MMS chairing a cabinet meeting. Madam Sonia might still be sleeping though.
The meeting, to be chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, is expected to thoroughly review the country's overall security scenario in the wake of the Mumbai attacks.
Then perhaps they will set up a committee to submit report in 10years.
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CNN Int'l - Hostage situation continues at the Oberoi Hotel.
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people please refrain from using abusive language.

I am impressed by Advani and Modi's interviews. Eagerly waiting for MMS.
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CNN IBN seems to be the best coverage of the lot. Kudos to them.

They report 12 terrorists holed up the Taj.
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jamming cells is not an option. in absense of individual secure radios, the police use cells extensively! ATS afsars cant be seed without two cells.
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CRamS wrote:
vishal wrote:Times Now confirming US intel officials killed in Taj attack.
If this is true, and US media latches on to this, its a red line TSP has crossed. US will surely act.
fat load of good that will do to us.
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India: The Need to React

Summary
A massive and well-organized attack by militants in Mumbai, India, has left nearly 100 people dead so far, promises to cut deeply into India’s foreign investment prospects and threatens to rock India’s government. As India responds to the attack, its relationship with Pakistan will be front and center, and the potential for a destabilization of relations between the two geopolitical rivals is high.

Analysis

It has been seven hours since AK-47-toting gunmen started shooting up five-star hotels in a cosmopolitan district of Mumbai, India. This has now evolved into an attack where the lives of high-value targets, whether they be diplomats or Western corporate executives, are being threatened. With general elections nearing and a global economic crisis in full effect, this is a nightmare situation for India’s already weak and fractured government as it attempts to hold onto the Western investment that has fueled the country’s growth for more than a decade. For the more immediate future, however, this attack has the potential to spin up into a crisis of geopolitical proportions along the Indo-Pakistani border.

Tactical Situation
The crisis is still in full swing with reports indicating that, along with earlier attacks carried out by gunmen on Mumbai’s central train station, a popular cafe and a theater, hostage situations have developed in two of the city’s most prestigious hotels — the Oberoi and the Taj Mahal — as well as in Cama Hospital and the Chabad House, where Jews and Israelis are currently being held hostage. Stratfor sources have said that the attackers approached their targets in boats with Pakistani markings; other sources have said the boats might have been registered in Karachi, Pakistan.

Eyewitnesses are reporting that approximately 200 people were being held in the Taj Mahal hotel, although 50 have since been released. Another eyewitness reported that the militants in the Taj were seeking out American and British passport holders, so it is possible that the 50 who were released were non-Westerners who did not fit the militants’ hostage profile. Occupants in the Oberoi, Cama Hospital and Chabad House are still being held, with a rumor circulating that Jews in the Chabad House are being killed.





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The attack appears to be an extremely sophisticated operation with up to nine target sets hit. The targeting of the two hotels (both five-star and considered the finest in Mumbai) shows that the militants were going after foreign VIPs. So far, we know that three Indian members of parliament, a small number of European and Australian diplomats and several Indian corporate executives were caught in the Taj hotel. We do not have a list of other foreigners who are there, but these hotels are where Western executives and government officials would stay, making them valuable quarry for militants seeking to attract international attention. By targeting the Chabad House, the militants (who are almost certainly Islamist) targeted Jews and Israelis, possibly indicating the involvement — or at least a call for recognition — of transnational jihadist organizations linked to the al Qaeda franchise. These hostages would be considered high-quality because they are foreign and represented by world powers that can put pressure on India. On top of this, the apparent willingness on the part of the militants to die for their cause means their hostages are at serious risk. This will attract attention from powerful players all over the world.

Geopolitical Ramifications
India’s ruling Congress Party is under enormous pressure to act decisively. In past attacks, including the 2006 Mumbai railway bombings, condemnations were issued and Pakistan was accused of backing militants, but retaliatory action was never taken. Moreover, peace talks between India and Pakistan would proceed as planned just days after the attack.

Given that this attack involves a number of high-value targets and cuts into India’s economic lifeline, this is not an attack the Congress Party can fail to respond to. The main opposition Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), eyeing an election victory in 2009, will use this as an opportunity to condemn Congress for being soft on terrorism and likely call for a vote of no confidence to spur early elections.

We still need to watch how the Indian public, parliamentarians, Cabinet members and national security officials react to this attack, but we can bet that the reaction will be fierce and chaotic. If Congress does not want to fall from power, it has the option of stirring up a national crisis with Pakistan to try and get India to rally around the government and demonstrate to the Indian people that the government is taking action to protect them. This is an action the BJP took when it was in power in 2001 following a major terrorist attack on the Indian parliament in Mumbai, leading the United States to intervene to prevent tensions with Pakistan from becoming a full-blown nuclear crisis.

This could happen regardless of what the actual linkage to Pakistan is in this attack. As Stratfor has explained previously, the connection between the Islamist militant groups operating in India and their Pakistani handlers has become a lot murkier since 9/11. Lately, India has become more cautious in responding to attacks, realizing that it hurts its credibility to immediately blame Pakistan as soon as an attack occurs, especially when it appears that militant groups have become a lot more autonomous and homegrown in nature.

Pakistan has its plate full in dealing with its own jihadist insurgency and a major economic crisis. With its troops already preoccupied and the government busy fighting among itself, Islamabad is unlikely to be itching for a fight with the Indians along the Kashmir border when it knows it would be severely outmatched.

The United States, meanwhile, is in political limbo with the transition taking place between U.S. President George W. Bush and President-elect Barack Obama. Without a clear U.S. mediator in place to calm tensions along the Indo-Pakistani border (a role the United States has traditionally shouldered), the aftermath of this attack could rapidly spiral out of control.

Whether the Congress Party seizes this option is another story. The Indian government is more likely to collapse following the attack than it is to come up with a coherent policy against Pakistan. But even in the case of regime change, the likelihood of an Indian-Pakistani crisis is still strong. Should Congress fall, the BJP will likely take its place and will be expected to follow through on its commitments to take a harder stance against terrorism. With Pakistan wracked by a jihadist insurgency, on the brink of bankruptcy and in political chaos, it just might make an easy target for destabilization, in New Delhi’s view.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/200811 ... k_mumbai_0
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sunilUpa wrote:Bhurka asking RR Patil whether we are negotiating, when RR replied in negative, she is like but Sir, they have guns and hostages, and they may get hurt...

RR - We have thought about that and taken the decision, otherwise Commandos would have been in long back!

WOW Burkha!
RR Patil says about 10-12 pigs in the hotel. Five has been killed, one caught.
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Ranvijay wrote:95 Indians died, no one cars, 6 goray died, and ToI reports it like the world has crashed. edited
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Singha wrote:jamming cells is not an option. in absense of individual secure radios, the police use cells extensively! ATS afsars cant be seed without two cells.
That is sad and India needs to provide an exclusive frequency to police forces.
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NSG snipers mooving inside TAJ..

Some ambulances have mooved in at Taj...stretchers are being removed..
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