Terror Attacks in Mumbai

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Postby Nayak » 27 Nov 2008 13:54

The twit speaketh -

Mumbai attackers may be Pakistani nationals
27 Nov 2008, 1359 hrs IST, PTI
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MUMBAI: Preliminary investigations on Thursday pointed to involvement of at least some Pakistani nationals in the serial terror attacks in Mumbai that left over 100 dead and 270 others injured.

"There are indications that the perpetrators of the crime, who arrived in Mumbai by boats, are Pakistani nationals," authoritative sources said.

The indications are based on information gathered from captured terrorists, the sources said.

Maharashtra deputy chief minister R R Patil, who also holds the Home portfolio, said revealing detailed information on the terror strikes could prove detrimental at this juncture.

"We have total clues. But disclosing information would not help the case," Patil said. "This is an attack on the country. We will disclose information at an appropriate time," he said.

Meanwhile, there are reports that Colaba police have impounded four boats allegedly used by the terrorists to reach the Mumbai coast.


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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby harik » 27 Nov 2008 13:55

darshan wrote:
Manu wrote:PM, HM not to attend the funerals of Hemant Karkare, Vijay Salaskar and Ashok Kamte. Security concerns.


If that is true, then I wonder how they would tell regular public that it is safe to go out there.

Why are they keeping their jobs if they are not willing to die for their own country? Give it to somebody else. Freeloaders.


Because both of them have been "appointed" and not elected.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Nayak » 27 Nov 2008 13:56

After Rajmaata, this half-breed jacka$$ opens his filthy mouth.

Nefarious designs my a$$. What a pu$$y !!

Mumbai Terror: It was an attack on the country, says Rahul
Press Trust of India / Kishangarh (raj) November 27, 2008, 14:00 IST

Expressing serious concern over the Mumbai terror attack, the AICC General Secretary Rahul Gandhi today said it was an attack on the country and not only on the commercial capital, Mumbai.

Gandhi, who arrived here to kickstart the election campaign, said that the terrorists, however, would not succeed in their nefarious design to divide the country.

Before addressing the gathering, Gandhi observed two minute silence as a mark of respect to those who were killed in the terror attack.

"This is the time to remain united to face the challenge of terrorism," Gandhi said in his speech.

The terrorist wants to divide the country but we will not surrender before them but face their challenge and thwart their evil design, he said.

"When I reached the airport, I got a call to cancel all todays programme in the memory of those who killed in the attack in Mumbai, but I came here to express my condolence along with you," Gandhi said.


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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Suppiah » 27 Nov 2008 13:56

They are trying to capture terrorists alive...objective I guess is to serve them biriyani at the prison, for Samajwadi politicians to visit them and their families, MMS to declare that he is losing sleep, rapist goons' yellow press to write about police targeting 'one community' and congress planting stories in media about 'unease amongst some leaders about minority votes being lost because of such arrests'.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

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darshan wrote:
Manu wrote:PM, HM not to attend the funerals of Hemant Karkare, Vijay Salaskar and Ashok Kamte. Security concerns.


If that is true, then I wonder how they would tell regular public that it is safe to go out there.

Why are they keeping their jobs if they are not willing to die for their own country? Give it to somebody else. Freeloaders.


In a way it is good as the memory of the brave will not be tarnished by the presence of ass$&^$&%*%.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby darshan » 27 Nov 2008 13:58

If they are thinking of keeping them alive, then I bet they also have their parents lined up too. And, I also bet that they would claim that their sons were nowhere near Mumbai when picked up.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Manu » 27 Nov 2008 13:58

Folks, get a grip. What that means is that there is still an operation going on in Mumbai, the security forces are already overburdened.

They cannot cope with VVIP security right now.

Vijay Salaskar funeral procession is being shown Live on TV. No dignity for Cops, even in death. All Havaldars are seen crying.

ACP Ashok Kamte's body has arrived in Pune.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby a_kumar » 27 Nov 2008 13:59

Suppiah wrote:They are trying to capture terrorists alive...objective I guess is to serve them biriyani at the prison, for Samajwadi politicians to visit them and their families, MMS to declare that he is losing sleep, rapist goons' yellow press to write about police targeting 'one community' and congress planting stories in media about 'unease amongst some leaders about minority votes being lost because of such arrests'.


And to give away 10lakhs as compensation...

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby amit » 27 Nov 2008 13:59

darshan wrote:If that is true, then I wonder how they would tell regular public that it is safe to go out there.

Why are they keeping their jobs if they are not willing to die for their own country? Give it to somebody else. Freeloaders.



I know its a bad time and emotions are running high but it doesn't help to go overboard.

The PM's trip to Mumbai has been canceled by the Special Protection Group which thinks a visit by a VVIP will disrupt the already stretched security detail in Mumbai.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby darshan » 27 Nov 2008 14:02

amit wrote:
darshan wrote:If that is true, then I wonder how they would tell regular public that it is safe to go out there.

Why are they keeping their jobs if they are not willing to die for their own country? Give it to somebody else. Freeloaders.



I know its a bad time and emotions are running high but it doesn't help to go overboard.

The PM's trip to Mumbai has been canceled by the Special Protection Group which thinks a visit by a VVIP will disrupt the already stretched security detail in Mumbai.


I do not want to say it but what the heck. He is useless anyways and if he is man enough then he can go there with minimum security and show it to pukes that all these was nothing but for naught.

And at this point I am genuinely disgusted by professionals called journalists. IMO, they are worse than people at wall street.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Philip » 27 Nov 2008 14:02

The chaos inside the burning Taj's heritage wing,with so much of wonderful inflammable wooden detailing can only be imagined.The picture of the intense conflagration that enveloped the hotel would give one some idea of the inferno inside.The thick smoke and debris would seriously impede the progress in clearing every room of terrorists in the dark apart from rescuing the affected guests.One report last night said that the grand staircase was full of bodies.The floors would also be full of water,blood,etc.from the firefighters as well as the sprinkler systems which were woefully inadequate to deal with grenades and explosives.

One thought remains with me,whether it was possible for the port's tugs and Coast Guard vessels which are equipped with powerful firefighting appratus to have got close enough to the Gateway waterfront to have been able to have fought the fire.Another thought is why no helicopters were used to put commandos onto the roof of the hotels ,as the fires took quite a few hours before they raged almost out of control (firetenders were also seen doing nothing for such a long time especially when the fire at the Taj,which was small for quite some time,went out of control).From the roofs they could've made their way down to deal with the terrorists instead of laboriously climbing their way right from the ground which was in a chaotic condition.Both the IN and other agencies have numerous helicopters that could've been used as well as aerial surveillance of the two hotels to assist the police and security forces.We could've also used Naval/Coast Guard vessels to survey the scene from the sea with their powerful el-op sensors.

PS:Still time to use helos to place and attack the terrorists at the Truident.There should be absolutely NO negotiating with these terrorists.It would be a massive defeat if we allow them to escape with the release of terrorists in custody.We also have to find and destroy those who have escaped.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby harik » 27 Nov 2008 14:04

Old Taj is set for final assault, it seems all occupants have been shifted out. Lots of dead bodies have been taken out of this section.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby amit » 27 Nov 2008 14:05

darshan wrote:
I do not want to say it but what the heck. He is useless anyways and if he is man enough then he can go there with minimum security and show it to pukes that all these was nothing but for naught.

And at this point I am genuinely disgusted by professionals called journalists. IMO, they are worse than people at wall street.


Get a grip on yourself man. The PM cannot, repeat cannot, move even from his house if the SPG says they will not allow him to because of security fears. This is not a Hollywood Movie where the action hero President single handedly take son the bad guys.

For your information the same applies to every head of state. The security balloon around the head of state has the final say on movements.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

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darshan wrote:
amit wrote:
darshan wrote:If that is true, then I wonder how they would tell regular public that it is safe to go out there.

Why are they keeping their jobs if they are not willing to die for their own country? Give it to somebody else. Freeloaders.



I know its a bad time and emotions are running high but it doesn't help to go overboard.

The PM's trip to Mumbai has been canceled by the Special Protection Group which thinks a visit by a VVIP will disrupt the already stretched security detail in Mumbai.


I do not want to say it but what the heck. He is useless anyways and if he is man enough then he can go there with minimum security and show it to pukes that all these was nothing but for naught.

And at this point I am genuinely disgusted by professionals called journalists. IMO, they are worse than people at wall street.


It really doesn't make sense to even consider a possibility where the Indian PM or HM might be killed. The SPG is doing the right thing.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Nayak » 27 Nov 2008 14:06

darshan wrote:
I do not want to say it but what the heck. He is useless anyways and if he is man enough then he can go there with minimum security and show it to pukes that all these was nothing but for naught.



Rajmaata holds his family jewels firmly in her x-tian hands. He is a incompetent twit !!!

Better he loses sleep in Delhi than come down to Mumbai and cause security chaos.

Hey Rahul, can we use emoticons now ?

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby harik » 27 Nov 2008 14:08

Philip some Marocs were indeed seen going on top Gateway itself in the morning.
Fire was doused n number of times, but pigs again lit some other location. Maybe for diversion.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby darshan » 27 Nov 2008 14:08

I give you one example Indira Gandhi. She did not care about her life and took action.
And, I seriously do not like this guy to begin with so I do not need to get any grip.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby KLNMurthy » 27 Nov 2008 14:10

darshan wrote:
Manu wrote:PM, HM not to attend the funerals of Hemant Karkare, Vijay Salaskar and Ashok Kamte. Security concerns.


If that is true, then I wonder how they would tell regular public that it is safe to go out there.

Why are they keeping their jobs if they are not willing to die for their own country? Give it to somebody else. Freeloaders.


Whatever may be our opinion of particular prime ministers' performance, the general principle that the leader of a country must have special protection is a good one. If the leaders keep getting killed, the nation can't function.

We can't make this principle contingent on the quality of specific leaders. Leaders come and go, but principles of sensible administration don't change. It is these principles that separate a serious country from a disorganized mob.

Let me add my voice to the other appeals for all of us to show some self-control and start using our minds instead of simply letting off steam. It is fine to be frustrated about what looks like official indifference and incompetence; there is a time and place to express that frustration. But at a time when enemies have attacked and seriously wounded our country and our people, it is really unseemly and a waste of energy to react by vulgarly abusing the nation's elected leadership--as much as they may be unsatisfactory.

Please, let us put dignity and respect ahead of our self-indulgent desires to vent our emotions.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Manu » 27 Nov 2008 14:11

100 People are still trapped inside Trident (Oberoi) hotel. Of them, 30 are being held as hostages. The remaining 70 are in guest rooms locked from inside and now feeling the pinch due to lack of food and water.

Added Later: Fresh Explosion at Taj, at Nariman House. (How much ammo can you carry in your Backpack?)

NDTV is still holding the line that negotiations are taking place.

Added Even Later: Soni is on NDTV, speaking in Hindi doing "Ghor Ninda". The woman looks positively ill.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/vi ... .aspx?id=0
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Praveen » 27 Nov 2008 14:11

According to Rediff "40 bodies found in 4 floors of Taj Hotel"
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/26- ... mumbai.htm

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Dilbu » 27 Nov 2008 14:13

India has to come up with a fitting response to this. It is very very important at this stage. GOI is still in damage control mode as the situation demands. But are we going to see a paradigm shift in the policies or will there be any worthwhile action? MMS administrartion's usual chai-biskoot response won't be enough this time (especially since elections are here). Can some gurus list the options we have.

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Postby svinayak » 27 Nov 2008 14:14

http://in.reuters.com/article/specialEv ... dChannel=0

SIMI has been blamed by police for almost every major bomb attack in India, including explosions on commuter trains in Mumbai two years ago that killed 187 people.

Police said the Indian Mujahideen may also include former members of th Bangladeshi militant group Harkat-ul-Jihad al Islami.

* WHY ARE THEY SUSPECTED OF BEING BEHIND THE MUMBAI ATTACKS?

In an e-mail to various media in September, the group denounced Mumbai's police anti-terrorist squad, accusing them of harassing Muslims.

"If this is the degree your arrogance has reached, and if you think that by these stunts you can scare us, then let the Indian Mujahideen warn all the people of Mumbai that whatever deadly attacks Mumbaikars will face in future, their responsibility would lie with the Mumbai ATS and their guardians," it said.


The Indian Mujahideen have made credible claims of responsibility for most of the recent major attacks on civilian targets in India over the past two years.

The Mumbai attacks appear to have been carefully co-ordinated, well-planned and involved a large number of attackers. A high level of sophistication has also been a hallmark of previous attacks by the Indian Mujahideen.

The Mumbai attacks also focused clearly on tourist targets, including two luxury hotels and a famous cafe.

In May, the Indian Mujahideen made a specific threat to attack tourist sites in India unless the government stopped supporting the United States in the international arena.

The threat was made in an e-mail claiming responsibility for bomb attacks that killed 63 people in the tourist city of Jaipur. The e-mail, signed by "Guru Al-Hindi", declared "open war against India" and included the serial number of one of the bicycles on which the bombs were left.

Witnesses in Mumbai say the attackers in Mumbai singled out Americans and Britons in their attacks.


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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby p_saggu » 27 Nov 2008 14:14

This operation has been carried out by a mixture of terror groups of Pakistani origin primarily the LET, Local support and intelligence and safe houses belong to the D-company or some sundry local mafiose (The targetting of encounter specialists specifically in the initial hour of this operations suggests this - these ATS officers were targetting the Criminal gangs in Mumbai, D-company was the worst affected by them - so this revenge).

The ISI and Pakistani Armed forces would have a role in overall planning, distribution of targets, even down to selection of motivated personnel for the action. This has been thought through in detail, with dry runs done within pakistan. There is a possibility that there is a quasi armed forces wing of terrorists that the ISI maintains for "special" operations such as this and the Kandhar Hijack - The team leaders are not run of the mill jihadis, these are intelligent ruthless scumbags.

The final clearence has to have been given by General Kiyani Himself. No operation this big (Or a military coup within Pakistan) can take place without the Army Chief in Pakistan giving the green light.

Now the question of Mr Zardari. This shows the obvious - he doesn't run pakistan - we all know. The question is, was he in the loop?
I think the canny wheeler - dealer he is, he probably knew something was up. Thus his soothing words towards India in the months immediately preceeding this.

Now did the CIA or MI6 know. Very little in Pakistan happens without CIA knowing - the same should be true for RAW. But I think the double agents / sources / ground agents within pakistan happened to be selective with details and probably RAW was kept out of the loop. The pakistanis probably practiced this as a raid planning on some military outpost in Afghanistan. But information will flow out about the Pakistan Army and Navy officers involved, now that the event has taken place. But whatever MI6 mouthpiece - The BBC is spitting out reeks of a game being played by the british now.

WRT israelis / Jews targetted here. There is a message being sent to India and Israel.
This is an attempted copy of the 1973 Israeli raid on Lebanon (Operation Spring of Youth) that israel carried out in response to the Munich Massacre of its olympics team. Here in both cases the assailants arrived by sea, carried out the operation, and in the israeli case left immediately.

For Pakistan, H&D is the biggest issue. They are dying (Literally too) to drag India down into the dumps with them, they want re-hyphenation with India - message to the new and inexperienced US President who is currently undecided on the structure of relations between India vis-a-vis Pakistan wrt the US.
If Pakistan is dangerous for cricket matches, then India has to be too; If a big hotel is taken out in Pakistan, a big hotel in India has to be taken out too. There was massive loss of Echendee for Pakistan with these issues so obviously the hindus in India have to pay.

I am afraid, as in the equation between Israel and the Arab nations where Israel is the active participant, taking the lead in military action / retaliation for every atrocity commited on it, here between India and Pakistan, India is the passive nation, absorbing attacks after attacks, by far not replying in equal measure.

So IMHO the go ahead was given by Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani in his capacity as the Pakistani army chief, and upon his shoulders lies the burden of sin.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby SandeepA » 27 Nov 2008 14:15

No terrorist must be taken into custody officially. The worst that can happen to him in that case is that his pardon will wait on the Prez's desk forever. Just get wantever info needed from them and then clean them up and send them to where they set out to go. Jannat or Jahannum whatever

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby adarshp » 27 Nov 2008 14:15

One things I would like to know..

The terrorists who are taking hostages, are they making any demands? I ask because the operation has been on for many hours, and they have held locations for many hours. If they had any plans to make demands, they would have stated them by now.

1. If they have made demands and we are keeping the media out of it, it would appear that we did learn some lessons from the past.
2. If no demands have been made then we are dealing with a new breed of terrorists here. Highly trained in military style, commando style operations. Able to strike in pseudo co-ordinated fashion at multiple targets. Having a broad outline of a plan, but operational decisions being made on the ground. and operating in a cellular, layered fashion. Also no demands means they came planning to die. If this is true, the only response which can work is to take the fight back to them.

I hope the situation is not what I outlined in point 2, but if it is, the only appropriate response will be an Israeli type response. Bear in mind, Israeli not American.

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Sonia Gandhi

Gor Ninda
Hamare liye Chunauti


TimesNow reporting Jt Op in High Seas between Navy and Coast Guards

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby ASPuar » 27 Nov 2008 14:18

*** Breaking News ***

TV Reporting fresh firing at the Taj, blasts at Nariman house as of 2.52 PM.

Army & NSG reportedly awaiting political direction for whether to storm hostage situation.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Manu » 27 Nov 2008 14:20

Deepak Dutta is a person trapped inside Taj. So when they are saying Hostage Crisis is over, they mean that the terrorists are not holding any more people hostage, but people are still trapped inside te Taj in Guestrooms.

He is speaking Live on NDTV from his cell phone.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby amit » 27 Nov 2008 14:20

darshan wrote:I give you one example Indira Gandhi. She did not care about her life and took action.
And, I seriously do not like this guy to begin with so I do not need to get any grip.


Darshan,

Your personal likes and dislikes shouldn't cloud your judgment. Imagine if, with some terrorists still at large, there was an attack on the Indian PM and he was either killed or injured?

I know you don't like MMS and so privately would probably say good riddance but have you considered the kind of body blow India would take if, the terrorists - after doing this in Mumbai - finished it off by killing the PM? Think of the institution man and not the person occupying it.

As regards Indira Gandhi, I don't know if you're old enough to remember but after Operation BlueStar, the then equivalent of SPG advised her to remove all Sikh bodyguards from her entourage. She overruled them to tragic consequences. I admire her courage and sagacity in differentiating from the then Bhindranwale types and the vast majority of Sikhs but she paid with her life.

India cannot afford to have an attack on her PM or HM or any Minister now.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Vivek Sreenivasan » 27 Nov 2008 14:20

Latest from Rediff.
2:33 PM: Navy helicopters are chasing a ship, which is believed to have dropped terrorists near Bombay. Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta is closely monitoring the situation.

Get those ********.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby neelkamal » 27 Nov 2008 14:22

It seems so strange isn't it - ATS wasting their time on Purohit and Pragnya so much of hulla-bulla, and every resource used to divert attention, THEN the attack comes and everybody is taken unawares. What would have happened had congress not decided to use ATS and let them concentrate on actual terrorists and protecting India?

Such a waste of resource.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby milindc » 27 Nov 2008 14:23

Massive Army presence brought in, presumably from Pune. Lot of Tata trucks streaming in to hot spots.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Sumeet » 27 Nov 2008 14:23

People I was watching CNN.

Just saw that by Saturday there will be heavy showers in mumbai. So all evidence collection needs to be done ASAP.

I am totally shocked but given the lax security and little political will something of this sort was always on.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby p_saggu » 27 Nov 2008 14:24

adarshp wrote:One things I would like to know..

The terrorists who are taking hostages, are they making any demands?


I don't think they are here to make demands or negotiate. Press coverage is what they are after. What happens if GOI says in return for their demands that GOI will execute all the terrorists they have asked to be released unless they release their hostages?

Ultimately if hostages are released by politicians, it is probably because some understanding is reached with the political masters of these terrorists who bargain on their behalf via back channels / track II.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Dmurphy » 27 Nov 2008 14:24

adarshp wrote:One things I would like to know..

The terrorists who are taking hostages, are they making any demands? I ask because the operation has been on for many hours, and they have held locations for many hours. If they had any plans to make demands, they would have stated them by now.

1. If they have made demands and we are keeping the media out of it, it would appear that we did learn some lessons from the past.
2. If no demands have been made then we are dealing with a new breed of terrorists here. Highly trained in military style, commando style operations. Able to strike in pseudo co-ordinated fashion at multiple targets. Having a broad outline of a plan, but operational decisions being made on the ground. and operating in a cellular, layered fashion. Also no demands means they came planning to die. If this is true, the only response which can work is to take the fight back to them.

I hope the situation is not what I outlined in point 2, but if it is, the only appropriate response will be an Israeli type response. Bear in mind, Israeli not American.
May be it is the Israeli we have response that we have adopted today doesn't care to know about the terrorist's demands. Its just bang bang and good night.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Shivani » 27 Nov 2008 14:25

One of the people trapped in hotel just gave out his room number live on TV. Amazing. If the terrorists have communication lines outside or someone watching on the inside, they'll easily slaughter these people.
The situation is desperate.

About the ship being chased by Indian Navy: the Air Force should be jump in for some joint operations fun. Send two Sukhois and ask the ship to co-operate, strafe if they do not, and if the ship still doesn't comply bomb it well before it enters the territorial waters of any other country.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby Aditya_V » 27 Nov 2008 14:25

As per the attack carried out the drove on mumbai roads and went till vile parle, borivali...how come they know mumbai roads.
3] i have styed in mumbai for 2 yrs and I too dnot know how to drive to these different locations


Please give SU-30, Mig-29, Jag-IM(with sea eagle) air cover also, we can't let any intereference in the capture

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Postby niran » 27 Nov 2008 14:26

milindc wrote:Massive Army presence brought in, presumably from Pune. Lot of Tata trucks streaming in to hot spots.

this should have been down eons ago.


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