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Kudos to that channel at least for now, he not allowing them to weasel out.

Although most of then are exactly trying that. Softly slapped Arjun Rampal now.
Gerson as usual indulged in sophistry
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good morning desh premiyon.
Were the hostages killed at Nariman House, Israeli citizens?
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NDTV is again interviewing pig fm.
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Dmurphy wrote:
milindc wrote:Some panelist who was about to rant some human rights BS, was stunned and just ate his words.
Thast panelist was Gerson D'Cunha.IIRC he heads a congregation of high profile mumbaiites on lines of AGNI. I wonder why Times Now keeps bringing in these filmi people...Farooq Sheik, Shefali Shetty, Arjun Rampal...

Do we Indian really relate to them so much?
At the moment I see it as , Arnab is exposing them...
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Arnab is awesome. He is a star. he is tearing a new funhole to the panel.
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Avram,has there been any other seige in modern history where two 5* hotels have been seized by heavily armed terrorists with assault weapons and grenades butchering the guests and hotel staff,hiding for their lives in every nook and cranny?The Indian security forces have conducted a Himalayan task trying to kill the terrorist before first saving the hostages,safely removing them from the premises and only then going after the terroists with heavy weapons? Even in the Iranian embassy seige in London,the SAS only went in once they knew that hostages were being killed.US intelligence expert says Patil is incompetent

Excerpt from the foll.article.

<A US counter-terrorism official said the attacks resembled those by Pakistani groups on Indian troops in Kashmir.

"Some of what we're seeing is reminiscent of past terrorist operations undertaken by groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed," he said.>

http://news.scotsman.com/world/India-A- ... 4741521.jp
India: A prime target for the purveyors of terror

Indian firefighters attempt to put out a fire as smoke billows out of the historic Taj Mahal Hotel.

Date: 28 November 2008

By Professor Paul Wilkinson

I WOULD be very surprised if this does not turn out to be an attack carried out by a jihadist group, because all the necessary characteristics are there. Of course there are other organisations that operate in a similar sphere, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba which wants to see India expelled from Kashmir, and there appear to be newer organisations still, whose ideology we know little about.
But one of the most striking things is that the Indian authorities, who have some experience of dealing with terrorism, were clearly taken by complete surprise. This suggests that those who planned the attacks were very sophisticated in their strategy making. All this will be very worrying for the Indian authorities, who will be keen to upgrade their intelligence and security measures – a tall order in a huge country like India.

Gathering intelligence on sophisticated international terrorist organisations is very difficult – you are dealing with groups that have developed skills in encrypting their communications, or perhaps they just avoid using mainstream communications systems, relying on couriers in order to avoid detection. They do everything they can to keep their plans hidden.

The authorities are also dealing with groups capable of accessing the necessary funds and equipment to carry out attacks, which is another concern, bearing in mind international efforts to suppress the funding of terrorism. Geographically, Mumbai is relatively close to the borders of Pakistan. There are suggestions that some members of these organisations may come from this area, and we know that, somehow, organisations have been able to get resources via the very torturous route through the mountains and border area.

We can only guess what the motivations are for the people behind this. I believe there is a desire to damage India's economic future by causing such disruption in their major commercial centre, and a desire to create a climate of fear and uncertainty. Of course there is also a desire to show that they can attack foreigners, including Americans and Britons.

From the point of view of the terrorists, India is an attractive target; it is a country which jihadists would regard with suspicion because they oppose its policy on Kashmir, they despise India's democratic system and secular constitution. All this makes it a legitimate target. Extremist groups which share the ideology of al-Qaeda believe they must make war on western countries, as well as on the governments and authorities of all the countries they want to take control over. It is really, in their eyes, an attack on the world of unbelievers and they regard the western countries, particularly the US and its allies, as being especially attractive targets. But it is too early to specify a particular group, as we know there have been a number involved in terrorist outrages recently in India, not just in Mumbai but in Delhi and by the Kashmir border.

No country should regard itself as immune to al-Qaeda cells and their affiliates, but some countries have more problems in terms of national security than others, perhaps because of conflict, or economic weakness. It is dangerous to speculate which one will be the next potential target because one must be careful these fears are not picked up by terrorist sympathisers. Just by looking at the history since 1993 it is clear what constitutes an obvious target: the jihadist movements affiliated to al-Qaeda have a very wide range of potential targets. As we know, they have not just targeted the police and military bases, they have also frequently hit gathering places where many members of the public will be vulnerable to attack: the tourist centres, night clubs, residential areas, train stations, airports and even ships.

In an attempt to prevent attacks, one of the many lessons that one hopes will be taken on board is that we need excellent international intelligence gathering and co-operation. I think that is one of the priorities, not just for the Indian authorities, but all governments which face a terrorist threat. Countries like France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Britain as well as the USA have been doing that ever since 9/11.

What we should conclude from this terrible outrage in Mumbai, and similar attacks elsewhere, is that we do face a global terrorist problem. It is not the worst problem mankind faces: look at climate change or natural disasters, look at the dangers and damage wrought by escalating conflict between nuclear-armed states. But the al-Qaeda network is the most serious threat that the international community faces and must be tackled with a multilateral strategy.

We must ensure countries are working together, something our Prime Minister has constantly emphasised. I notice that yesterday Gordon Brown has stressed it again, by sending police emergency teams to Mumbai that are well-versed in dealing with terrorism and promising resources to assess which group has been responsible and what the implications are for the rest of the world. This way we have a far better chance of reducing the threat from al-Qaeda movement, of helping the Indian government and their authorities in their efforts to discover who is responsible and to bring them to justice. The idea of a sudden end to the problem is rather unrealistic.

It is hoped the new administration in the US will also be working to these ends. One possible interpretation of the motives behind the Mumbai attacks could be that this terrorist group was trying to send a signal to president-elect Barack Obama.

• Professor Paul Wilkinson is Chairman of the Advisory Board for the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St Andrews.


Terrorist group was off the radar

SPY agencies had little warning of the terrorist attack in Mumbai.

The group which claimed responsibility – the Deccan Mujahideen – was hitherto unknown, a British security official said. Terrorist threats in India had been increasing, he said, but the scale of the attack on Wednesday was a surprise and there were no indications that attacks would target westerners.

"We have been actively monitoring plots in Britain and abroad, and there was nothing to indicate something like this was about to happen," he said.

Another British security official said that the attack did not look to have been directed by al-Qaeda's core leadership. But he said the fact westerners had been singled out suggested it was inspired by Islamic extremist ideology.

Western security officials believe attacks organised, directed and funded specifically by al-Qaeda's core leadership along the Afghan/Pakistan border are not frequent. More common are incidents in which terrorists have either some limited contact with al-Qaeda leaders, or are inspired by extremist ideology.

A US counter-terrorism official said the attacks resembled those by Pakistani groups on Indian troops in Kashmir.

"Some of what we're seeing is reminiscent of past terrorist operations undertaken by groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed," he said.

Few experts had heard of the Deccan Mujahideen.

"Initially, we saw violence in India imported from outside – with allegations of Pakistani government support – but now we are seeing new, homegrown groups," said Nigel Inkster, a director of transnational threats at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

"There is a possible link to al-Qaeda," he said. "Logically, it would be easier for al-Qaeda to get things done in India than in the US and Europe. Everyone's been expecting some type of pre-US election or post-US election spectacular, and there is some speculation that this is it."

The full article contains 1264 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.Page 1 of 1


If you think that such attacks will force India to pull out of Kashmir or stop joining hands with US /UK/ Israel - you are severly mistaken.

Yes there has been gross failure on the part of the intelligence agencies - for which the ruling political parties will pay very very heavily in the coming elections.


http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/11/ ... il-is.html

Walter Andersen, a former senior Administration official, who headed up the State Department's South Asia Division of the Intelligence and Research Bureau has said the Mumbai terrorist attacks showed clearly a failure of India's intelligence and security apparatus and also the utter incompetence of Home Minister Shivraj Patil.
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Dmurphy wrote:
milindc wrote:Some panelist who was about to rant some human rights BS, was stunned and just ate his words.
Thast panelist was Gerson D'Cunha.IIRC he heads a congregation of high profile mumbaiites on lines of AGNI. I wonder why Times Now keeps bringing in these filmi people...Farooq Sheik, Shefali Shetty, Arjun Rampal...

Do we Indian really relate to them so much?
I want Arnab to invite more of them and bitch slap some sense into these blithering idiots.... I just loved how dumb-founded this Gerson D'Cunha appeared, unable to retort Arnab.
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Sunil, thanks, but the link is not loading fast enough.....

Any other links bhailog. I am desperate to hear some tough-talk from Arnab.
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That idiot P Roy tells porki FM that he trusts them!!!!!

Get the **** of my coutry Pranoy...we don't trust you..

Some please record NDTV...we will put it on youtube and then make an example of them..please.
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Kudos to those foreign tourists who say that they love Bombay/Mumbai and do not want to go home at all!They are also Mumbaikars,we salute you too.

Prannoy Roy-Our security forces are the real hroes."It was hell" said a commando.
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Who is that fcuking Sanjana on Times Now? Nobody on TV can afford to discuss geo-politics, eh? Arjun, gotta change his name. Man looking at the panel, it is tough not to get pessimistic.
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sunilUpa wrote:That idiot P Roy tells porki FM that he trusts them!!!!!

Get the **** of my coutry Pranoy...we don't trust you..

Some please record NDTV...we will put it on youtube and then make an example of them..please.
Please please lets start a campaign against these commie/paki bas#$#s. Lets start mobilizing some public opinion atleast among use young folks in India against these dorks...please. I can't stand them anymore. Youtube is a great idea...someone please record NDTv...especially can we get prior footage of Biatch Dutt and Pranoy Roy appeasing the pakis or towing the Paki line...we need to start something.
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Any link for NDTV? other than the idesitv.com one. I was not able to view NDTV the last 2-3 days. TIA.
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SwamyG wrote:Who is that fcuking Sanjana on Times Now? Nobody on TV can afford to discuss geo-politics, eh? Arjun, gotta change his name. Man looking at the panel, it is tough not to get pessimistic.
Late Actor Sashi Kapoor's daughter. ( Shashi brother of Raj Kapoor ).

Basically this class of ppl who are on panel today & yesterday would have been partying somewhere had the attack been in some other location say Thane or Borrivali..
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I havent watched the media coverage in India but from the looks of it on this thread he is the find of this crisis! We must make them know it pays to talk the truth and take even a remotely patriotic line. Send him congratulatory mails and start little Arnab fan clubs on the net.
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harik wrote:
Singha wrote:gerson da cunha is The Roy's husband right?
The Roy = Arundhati , then No .. His husband is some Kumar in Movie Producer
unles ofcourse divorced and married to Cunha now..
According to Wiki, DaCunha is her first husband and Pradeep Kishen is her second.
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SwamyG wrote:Who is that fcuking Sanjana on Times Now? Nobody on TV can afford to discuss geo-politics, eh? Arjun, gotta change his name. Man looking at the panel, it is tough not to get pessimistic.
With you Swamy. The last point they made was something on the lines
of "We should not blame the muslims, we should not blame the pakis", etc.
How can we ever get an honest debate in our mainstream media? The
discussions stinks of political correctness.
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SwamyG:
I was watching it. It was very difficult to digest and I moved to Timesnow now.
Sanjana mentions that everyone in Mumbai are angry towards Muslims and angry against Pakistan and we cannot afford to have that feeling and media has a big responsibilit to change this. The host and all the other panelists just agreed, not questioning her or even asking to explain why shouldn't India be angry against Pakistan, when the evidence clearly seem to point towards them.
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Headlines Today says:

Abu Ismail spills the beans.
The terrorists stayed in the Taj for 4 days and stashed up ammunition there
They took a ship from the Gulf
Two of the terrorists were of European origin (probably British Pakistanis)
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if any of you want to record live tv web feeds with audio for later, pls
download a freeware called Camstudio. it has simple buttons to record,
pause, stop rec and can save in avi format. keep it on right on screen.
next change desktop properties to not show icons. start the browser,
access the live feed and record.

for me a 10 min avi file recently came to 1.9gb at the highest settings in
camstudio. used it to record a sw demo with a headset and microphone recording my voice in parallel.

adobe has some fancier stuff called Captivate that tech pubs uses. also
another one is Camtasia.
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harik wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Who is that fcuking Sanjana on Times Now? Nobody on TV can afford to discuss geo-politics, eh? Arjun, gotta change his name. Man looking at the panel, it is tough not to get pessimistic.
Late Actor Sashi Kapoor's daughter. ( Shashi brother of Raj Kapoor ).

Basically this class of ppl who are on panel today & yesterday would have been partying somewhere had the attack been in some other location say Thane or Borrivali..
Shashi Kapoor is still alive
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which is the best software to capture streaming video...I am not ITvity...help
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I am stuck to listening Sagarika Ghose blabbering incoherently on IBN.

Times Now link please..
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Arnab was choking when they showed the picture of Maj. Unnikrishnan. Said for how long should men like him die due to incompetence of the polotical class. Brought lump to my throat.
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Sunil, see my post above. it will record your entire desktop including mouse movements.

could be others to just leech the video stream
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Nariman operation over..

Tnaks Singha...anything to capture only stream?
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Sunil, If it is flash please use a firefox plug-in like download helper.
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Nayak wrote:I am stuck to listening Sagarika Ghose blabbering incoherently on IBN.

Times Now link please..
edited..
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Yup, but the server is very slow.
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milindc wrote:Arnab Gowsami is my hero.. ripping apart all the 'civil' guys.
The quote (not exact) I will remember is that
'These guys claim as civil society and go out for human rights, Are we, rest of us, uncivil. Who designated them as civil'
Some panelist who was about to rant some human rights BS, was stunned and just ate his words.

We need to support this guy... need to sent some e-mails or raise his ratings.

I despise Indian media. For 3 years now I have been "boycotting" 24x7 channels. Particularly, I have not been giving my viewership to that channel where the neurotic bitch holds court, as well as to that other channel where the loud-mouthed scumbag presides over.

I made a departure to my vow based on the recommendations here and watched Times Now for a couple hours today. While I am not disappointed, I do think that while the bitch and the scumbag have veered to one extreme, Arnab is veering to the other. The job of a professional media man is to present facts as they are -- no spin, so suppressio veri, suggestio falsi. He must leave the analysis to analysts or analyze only when he dons the analyst's hat. Right now, Arnab comes a little across as playing to the gallery. Not that I mind it at this moment, because we need an anti-dote to the years of poisoning by bitch and scumbag. But his going into an overdrive makes me uncomfortable as to whether his stand is for real or whether he is playing the TRP game, given the current state of emotions across the country.
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TimesNow is showing the picture of Sandeep Unnikrishnan and paying its respect for this extraordinary soldier.

RIP my hero. We bow our heads in respect for you my fellow country man.
Jai Hind.
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Rajdeep calling Paki FM sir and giving him bandwidth.

We need to deal collectively and we are both victims.
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What is this that the NSG is pulling up? Looks like a bag but what is the frame?

Link
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Somebody please spit on the faces of Arjun Rampal & his partners in that 'panel' at Times Now. Arnab was the only one talking sense. Who was that impotent old ******** dressed in a Kurta? Mofo ********, who the ****** interviews such pansies?
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Two are from UK.

CNN speculating that they may be the ones to have stayed or found jobs at the Taj.
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watch times now channel

http://watchindia.tv

its a pay site...but they have a free trial...i am watching using the free trial.
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Wall Street Journal front section is pretty much on this saga.

MMS will not like what he reads.
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milindc wrote:Rajdeep calling Paki FM sir and giving him bandwidth.

We need to deal collectively and we are both victims.
Most likey he was talking abt himself onlee ... and ofcourse Pakistan.


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That wasnt exactly what Sanjan said...
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Israel reporting that 5 jews (Rabbi, his wife, two kids and a ayya) + two terrorists killed.
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